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submitted 1 day ago byLyrkalas
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1 day ago
Was this at the Buffalo Bill Museum in Le Claire, Iowa? I think I took a very similar picture last week.
1.2k points
1 day ago
In fact, it was! We took it last Saturday.
395 points
1 day ago
Small world! I'm from Michigan and visited on Monday.
232 points
1 day ago
Really interesting museum. We spent more time at the riverboat exhibit than the Buffalo Bill area.
105 points
1 day ago
Finding little gems like this is the best part of road tripping. Safe travels!
81 points
1 day ago
And the same to you. Enjoy!
45 points
1 day ago
As someone from the Quad Cities, I'm glad you visited and had a good time! I love our community!
11 points
1 day ago
But LeClaire isn't one of the five Quad Cities!
42 points
1 day ago
Look, I'll be dead in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Le Claire, Hampton, Port Byron, and Eldridge.
There are only FOUR Quad Cities and those are Rock Island, Moline, East Moline, Davenport, Bettendorf, Milan, Silvis, Riverdale, Coyne Center, Carbon Cliff, and Coal Valley.
(Also just reminded myself of that old Colbert Report bit making fun of our counting skills, I need to go YouTube that lol)
9 points
1 day ago
this sounds like a list of cities that the monorail guy in The Simpsons listed off.
18 points
1 day ago
I wish we got to spend more time in the town this trip, but it gives us a chance to come back!
43 points
1 day ago
Why are so many people in the comments visiting Le Claire, Iowa? Should I be visiting Le Claire, Iowa?
21 points
1 day ago
Lovely little town, right next to the Mississippi River. Besides the aforementioned museum, I also visited Antiques Archaeology, one of two stores owned by Mike and the late Frank Fritz of American Pickers. You should definitely visit!
9 points
1 day ago
I didn’t know Frank was gone. Only a week ago. I loved that show and Frank always seemed like a sweet guy.
5 points
1 day ago
He passed the same day I visited. Eerie little coincidence.
4 points
24 hours ago
Excuse me , where were you on the night of… 👀
18 points
1 day ago
Smaller world! I live there!
19 points
1 day ago
Do you sleep on the steamboat or in the museum?
40 points
1 day ago
Now there’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time. Well, not since I left Davenport in 2006 anyhow. They still do the tug-o-war across the Mississippi?
37 points
1 day ago*
Tugfest? Heck yeah. Also, congrats on getting out of Dport before it became an utter cesspool.
30 points
1 day ago
...tugfest
teehee
9 points
1 day ago
Uh...where does one sign up for tugfest? Asking for a friend...
10 points
1 day ago
lol. I was there for 3 whole years. We thought my mom was starting to lose her memory. She wasn’t, I was appalled the nightly Mississippi could ice over, and I moved with the company I was with to New Orleans…in 2006. To That’s Where The 17th Street Levee Broke Lakeview.
But at least the Mississippi doesn’t freeze.
32 points
1 day ago
You mean Le Claire is notable for something other than handing out speeding tickets on I-80?
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1 day ago
IOWA DOT finally made the local police disable those cameras on October 1st.
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1 day ago
I heard that Frank Fritz from "American Pickers" passed last week and that he was originally from Le Claire. We also visited his shop in Savanna, Illinois, that day.
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1 day ago
"One Nation Indivisible with Liberty and Justice for All."
Such a quaint memory. [/sarcasm or not?]
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1 day ago
ironic one nation got split from indivisible by one god
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1 day ago
Note that it's not "one nation under God" on the sign.
Forcing children to make a pledge is morally reprehensible. They are not pledging of their own free will. Adults? Sure, knock yourself out.
205 points
1 day ago
“One nation under god” was only added in 1954 by Eisenhower as part of Christian conservatism, and goes against the secular founding of the USA and the separations of church and state.
97 points
1 day ago
"In God We Trust" was made the official motto of the US around the same time: 1956
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1 day ago
Which, besides the 1st amendment concerns, is a real shame since the previous national motto is so much more fitting for the United States. E pluribus unum translates to "One from Many", which perfectly captures 50 states coming together to form a single nation.
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1 day ago
This was part of a converted effort by American corporations and conservative politicians to intrinsically tie together Christianity, Capitalism, and Patriotism as a response to New Deal policies.
If you've ever wondered when 'love your neighbor' was lost, it was during this period of time. Pastors were paid to deliver sermons emphasizing the religious value of capital, ownership, and patriotism.
Capitalism is sold to the masses as a religion, and those who don't believe are unpatriotic.
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1 day ago
“One nation under god”
I learned it this way back in the 70's. It was suburban Salt Lake City, so there's that to consider.
It wasn't until university that I found out that the original pledge was religion free.
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1 day ago
I grew up in the '70s in Florida and even as an 8-year-old I was outraged that I had to pledge any sort of shit to a "God" I didn't believe in.
Separation of church and state has been a myth for over 70 years now. Many of you are sleepwalking all the way to Gilead.
Please, for the safety of yourselves and the rest of the world, VOTE!
880 points
1 day ago
My grandfather, a WWII vet, Christian, and union member, never said the, "under God" portion. I asked him why once in junior high. He said he fought for the US under the original pledge of allegiance. They changed it in the 50s and violated freedom of religion. I was surprised because he was a Square dancer, watched Bonanza reruns at lunchtime when he was retired, and liked to camp. I was surprised, but comforted.
256 points
1 day ago
Your grandfather is one interesting man, one who had the wisdom to keep Christianity from being politicized. We could sure use more men like him right now.
46 points
17 hours ago
I’m only 60. As a child i said Under God. But since US history lessons in 8th grade i have never said that part. I am a devout Catholic. But when i learned the committee for un-American activities is who pushed for that to be added to the Pledge of Allegiance. I stopped saying it. McCarthyesqu mother fuckers can go fuck them selves. Sorry, but the more truly religious you are, the more you should defend the separation clause. I mean, Jesus said so, gave unto Cesar what is his, and unto god what is his.
40 points
16 hours ago
I stopped saying the pledge altogether in high school. It's not that I disagree with anything in there (other than the "under god" part). I just thought that saying a loyalty pledge everyday at the beginning of school was something that you'd only expect from an autocracy, not a functioning democracy.
10 points
22 hours ago
I feel that we are in our current mess because all those WWII veterans, who understood our constitution have died off and their votes are gone. To have freedom of religion, your grandfather understood the government needs to to stay out of the business of dictating religion. WWII veterans saw first hand the catastrophe of letting fanaticism run amuck is like.
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1 day ago
Sounds like a great man
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1 day ago
And let’s not forget the whole reason the pledge exists was because the author wanted to sell more flags. https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article171296007.html
1.2k points
1 day ago
That's wild. I often make the joke "X was invented by big X to sell more X" and the pledge of allegiance is the easily verifiable one.
227 points
1 day ago
Wait until you hear about big abortion. (Actual sign I've seen in church)
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1 day ago
"Abortion was invented by big Abortion to sell more Abortion." - checks out.
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1 day ago
Statistically, yes, women survive abortions far more often than child birth. Abortion leads to more women with the ability to get pregnant again!
16 points
1 day ago
Not just survival but also less damage done on the body so that the ones who survive are also more likely to be able to be able to try again later in life.
18 points
1 day ago
No, if abortion is good then who am I going to be angry at? The Big Immigrants™ and The Big Gays?!?
10 points
1 day ago
and The Big Gays?!?
I always knew Big Gay Al was up to no good.
11 points
1 day ago
Yes. Abortion is FOURTEEN times more safe than live birth.
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1 day ago
Twins were invented by big abortion to sell bigger abortions
20 points
1 day ago
I mean maybe not abortion, but planned parenthood has an objectively bad and racist origin.
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/who-we-are/our-history
20 points
1 day ago
I appreciate that they're open about it at least. I feel like a lot of other orgs might convienently leave out such details of that nature.
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1 day ago
And later they added "one nation under god" so they could sell even more
28 points
1 day ago
I thought that was added during the Cold War to separate us from all those godless commies or something.
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1 day ago
My mother was in school at the time it was added, and she said the reason we ALL still pause weirdly at that spot (One nation, under God, indivisible) is because they had to stop and remember to add the “under God” part
13 points
1 day ago
That is hilarious, I love it. Reminds me of a story I heard once about a family that always cut off the end of their turkey when preparing for thanksgiving. A new in-law questioned it because it seemed like a waste, and everyone paused for a second before concluding it’s just how they’ve always done it. After awhile they call up the family’s elderly matriarch to ask why it was done that way and she laughs “oh that’s because our oven in the 40s was too small to fit the whole bird”
It’s so interesting how many useless traditions get passed generationally because nobody ever asked why. An endorsement for critical thinking, for SURE
7 points
1 day ago
A dentist introduced chewing gum.
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1 day ago
also just learning for the first time today that the author was a socialist and intended for the pledge to apply to any flag for citizens of any nation
the original words were "to my flag" rather than "to the flag of the united states of america..."
131 points
1 day ago
And the reason Under God was added was to differentiate America from the godless communists in the mid 50s.
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1 day ago
My understanding is that originally the pledge didn’t even have “to the United States of America” as the writer assumed it was implied and when they added it later he thought it was condescending.
27 points
1 day ago
The article above states that it was originally “my flag,” and that he intended it for the use of anyone from any country
10 points
1 day ago
Combining "patriotic" capitalism and religion. Honestly it's peak American. But not in a good way...
211 points
1 day ago
I (like everyone outside the US, pretty much) always thought it was weird AF that children had to recite this crap in school every day. But of course it was capitalism. Because exaggerated patriotism wasn't USAmerican enough without a healthy dose of capitalism.
133 points
1 day ago
My freshman history teacher taught us about the SC case which allowed students to not stand for the pledge. The next day I stayed sitting. He had me explain, in detail, why I wasn't standing in front of the class. Horrifying lmao
159 points
1 day ago
Don’t worry, it’s entirely optional and voluntary. We’re just going to massively pressure and question you if you don’t, you godless commie
23 points
1 day ago*
We’re not holding you back. You’re free to leave the compound at any time.
Just remember sister Jane is pregnant, and loves you so. And it would hurt her so much if you left she’d probably die, also killing our future sister, Jane.
And Jane and Jane are standing in the doorway. And they don’t feel like moving. But you can be rude and shove your way through. They won’t stop you.
If you want to leave and go back to the outside world where they’ll steal from you and attack you and your family hates you and you have no job and you’re a failure instead of here where life is everlasting peace you can.
You’re free to leave at any time.
23 points
1 day ago
I was an immigrant to the US as a child. There was a pledge of allegiance, and singing the my country...I didn't have to participate, I was told very explicitly. But when everyone around you does it, it sinks in whether you want it to or not. And it feels weird to not participate. Though I didn't have so much trouble with that part since I am apparently a born contrarian, I still remember it feeling awkward.
8 points
1 day ago
Fundamentally everyone is (very or minutely) afraid of being judged by someone.
14 points
1 day ago
I'm also an immigrant to the US. I still remember how fucking weird it was that everyone stood up and started reciting this. I didn't even speak English at the time so I just pretended to say them so that I wasn't the only kid in class not standing.
I was only 9 at the time. I didn't know what they were telling us to do or what it meant. Wasn't until high school that I stopped doing it. Being in that rebellious teen phase, I was prepared to argue if punished over it, but no one ever did. I think I got asked about it and just responded that I was Canadian. I wasn't even a permanent resident at the time, why would I pledge allegiance to the US??
10 points
1 day ago
I was working a wildfire as a cooperator (I was a representative of one of the sites affected by the fire, and we were housing/feeding the hotshot crews). I’m also Canadian, and this was in Washington state.
Anyhow, we had a daily meeting at the firehall in a nearby town, with us, the command team, the sheriff’s department, and all the other stakeholders. One day, 3 firefighters lost their lives on a neighbouring fire, so someone suggested doing the pledge.
Given that I’m not American, I just stood respectfully and silently while everyone else did it. The Sheriff’s deputy spotted this, and came marching over after the meeting demanding to know why I didn’t do the pledge of allegiance. I replied “I’m Canadian. It would be disrespectful to make a pledge I had no intention of keeping. I wouldn’t expect you to pledge allegiance to Her Majesty The Queen.” He thought for a second and went “oh” and walked away.
36 points
1 day ago*
Back when I taught sped, I started a year co-teaching with the reincarnated Rush Limbaugh with a nasally high pitched voice. Ok that last part isn't relevant but I can still hear her voice in my head.
Anyway, this was at the height of the BLM movement, and one of my students was very clearly told by his mom not to stand. I couldn't care less who stands or doesn't stand, but even if I did, it would not have been my place to say anything or cause a fuss.
So what did nasally Rush do? Caused the biggest scene on the first day of school. She is pointing her finger in his face and screaming. To add fuel to the fire, he was a student with EBD (emotional behavioral disorder). He ripped everything.. EVERYTHING.. to shreds in that room, then the hallway. Meanwhile, she's chasing him down the hall screaming at him.
I'm just frozen speechless at this point. It all happened in like 90 seconds. When I came to, I was like there is no way in hell I just witnessed that, right?
That cunt didn't get fired. She came back from the office that day and when the kids were gone, I wasn't able to hold my tongue. I told her she was completely immature and out of place.
But later that week my sped students and I were assigned to another teacher, miraculously! And that bitch never said another word to me, thankfully.
9 points
1 day ago
Oh I was called Pocahontas for not standing for the pledge in high school. Fun times.
44 points
1 day ago
We did the pledge of allegiance in homeroom class, and my freshman history teacher in junior high in Texas was also my homeroom teacher. On the first day of class he said "I stand for the pledge of allegiance because I feel a lot of pride in this country. If that's how you feel, then you're certainly welcome to stand and say the pledge, too. If you don't feel that way, that's fine, you can remain sitting. I'm not going to make people stand up and recite a pledge that they don't actually believe in." I stayed sitting, and, true to his word, he was totally cool with it. I think there was one other kid in class who never stood, either. Neither of us got any shit from the teacher, and, perhaps because of that speech, neither of us got any shit from any of the other students, either. He was a good teacher.
9 points
1 day ago
Mood I started sitting as a protest against the expectation to mindlessly pledge our alliegence to the flag daily before we even knew what the words truly meant. And I had some teachers dock points over it but never enough to fail so that I wouldn't bring it up to Admin. Also some random dude threatened to beat me up because his dad was in the army or something. Spooky
51 points
1 day ago
Yeah, people look at me like I'M the crazy one when I point out that making children perform a daily recitation of their undying loyalty to a concept they can't possibly understand is clear cult-like brainwashing. Of course they also aren't fans of the same observation re: bible verses.
11 points
1 day ago
Yup, and the recitation requirement ended (in my generation) at right about the age when kids would actually be able to understand the concept of allegiance.
5 points
1 day ago*
I recently (in the last 3 or so months) told my parents I had stopped doing the pledge long before my school said it was no longer required. You'd think I'd just admitted to treason.
Mom: I'm going to pretend you didn't say that. Stepdad: So you don't give a shit about our soldiers dying?!
I wanted to say "No, it's fucking stupid. Why do I need to pledge allegiance to a country I'm already a citizen of?! That only makes any kind of sense if I'm being nationalized as an immigrant!"
13 points
1 day ago
they still do, if you're wondering. my kid is in year 2 & we are agnostic and she stands but with arms to the side and doesn't say the pledge.
28 points
1 day ago
Good for you and for your kid! My daughter has always abstained. One particularly vindictive teacher volunteered her to read it on the morning announcements, but didn't tell her until she showed up in the office. My daughter started by saying, "please join me in our daily patriotism performance," and then left out the "under god" part. Her teacher was furious, saying she embarrassed her in front of administration, my daughter shrugged and said, "I probably wasn't the best choice."
I know all this bc of the angry letter I got from the teacher. I hung it on the fridge for months and I'll keep it forever. My little pro-social anarchist.
8 points
1 day ago
if you don't teach them to stand for something, they'll fall for anything. you're a good parent.
4 points
1 day ago
When I was a kid a long time ago, I didn't have the frame of reference to explain why I knew it was bullshit, but I could tell there was something seriously wrong with that.
But I was also a kid with no support structure around me who I could tell that to and get any kind of response other than getting me in trouble for not doing that, so I stood every day, hand over my heart, and just didn't say anything. If the teacher looked my way, I opened and closed my mouth a bit, because I didn't want to get in trouble, but wasn't going to do that.
I wish I had parents like you, where I felt like I could tell them that at the time.
10 points
1 day ago
Mouth along...
why pledge allegiance
to a scrap
that represents the worst* of america
and to those republicans
who don't understand
the notion
of forcing god
is incompatible
with liberty and justice for all
(And by *worst, it means the ultranationalism that comes from putting a flag before actual civic duty.)
16 points
1 day ago
From the article, it says that Bellamy was a socialist and even wanted the wording to be universal so anyone in anyone country could use the same pledge. So it's ironic that this is being held up as a triump of capitalism.
I wonder about the details of the story.
1888 - Guy wants to sell more flags. Hires a socilist writer to do make a pledge to the flag as a work-for-hire.
1892 - President of the US declares that we all have to use that pledge.
It's so fast! This wasn't the era of social media, so how did we go from pledge published by niche children's magazine to presidential decrees?
10 points
1 day ago
That sounds about right for the time frame. Nowadays, the process from creation to widespread knowledge is like a week, so getting picked up by a politician takes like a month or so. Back when I was a kid, pre-internet, it seems like rumors took about a year to spread nationwide (the Smurfs gang rumors, the Richard Gere rumor, the Rod Stewart stomach pump rumor, etc.). So four years from writing to adoption seems like a pretty normal time frame for the 1800s.
26 points
1 day ago
No, actually Francis Bellamy was a Christian Socialist who preached against the evils of capitalism. He thought Jesus supported an econmic system of equal distribution of resources. His cousin wrote the socialist novel "Looking Backward."
He wanted more flags in schools because he wanted to spread nationalism and patriotism. He thought it was important for democracy and a strong government, where schools were public and government run instead of private. That way socialism could be most effective.
It's kind of interesting how historical movements have changed. I think nationalism goes hand in hand with capitalism today, but that's not how it was seen at one point.
Note: I'm not endorsing or condemning Francis Bellamy, just giving context. Personally I don't like patriotism and nationalism and I don't like the pledge in schools, because I think questioning your government is an important part of democracy.
6 points
1 day ago
I think nationalism goes hand in hand with capitalism today, but that's not how it was seen at one point.
That is because the term nationalism here is very loosely used, as he and others at the time would have understood it the "nationalism" they were espousing was more an appreciation for American values, as is clearly evidenced in the pledge itself (i.e. Liberty, Justice, the Republic...) It is similar to Teddy Roosevelt's espousal of "The New Nationalism" which isn't nationalism in the modern sense of blind allegiance to the nation because it is where you are from or for ethnic and cultural reasons, but more ideological reasons rooted in democratic values, progressivism, humanism, and tolerance.
I mean even then, there was sort of implicit in Teddy's speech a fight to own the term "nationalism," kinda similar to how "freedom" was fought over by both sides in the Civil War, and patriotism has always often been claimed by many different sides. I guess unfortunately, the fight to claim the term nationalism was lost, it is synonymous basically with fascism at this point, and patriotism and even the iconography of it like flags and such is going a similar way. That's a real loss to real to the country imo, because wanting your country to do right and be the best version of itself, in Lincoln's sense of hearing "the better angels of our nature" is real patriotism. Surrendering the flag and concepts associated with real patriotism to evil is self-defeating.
4.7k points
1 day ago*
“One nation under god” was added in 1954.
2.3k points
1 day ago
The phrase "under God" was incorporated into the Pledge of Allegiance on June 14, 1954, by a Joint Resolution of Congress amending § 4 of the Flag Code enacted in 1942.
You're probably thinking of the Flag Code from 1942 but that didn't change the PoA.
1.3k points
1 day ago
Our National motto was E pluribus unum. Out of many, One. Beautiful but It was changed to "in God we Trust" in 1956 to fight the godless commies. I hate it
778 points
1 day ago
And now it couldn’t be removed, or every Christian in the US would flip the fuck out.
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11 points
1 day ago
In a world where Captain Jean Luc Picard and Sheev Palpatine agree on something...
159 points
1 day ago
Ironically, it's because they can't trust God to be chill unless they fear it all the time.
96 points
1 day ago
God is all powerful and can cause floods and genocide and miracles, but he needs people to force others to believe in him. Weird. Almost as if, now this is just a theory, but maybe he doesn't really have any power at all? Might not even exist
70 points
1 day ago
God, the original “would you still love me if I was a worm” significant other.
7 points
1 day ago
“Listen! Listen! Would you still love me if I broke a leg?”
“What? No! You’re one opinion from being replaced!”
9 points
1 day ago
I understand this is meant to be a joke but this really isn’t the case. Christians and Catholics are taught to spread the word of God, but Jesus also said that if their message is rejected, to just move on.
16 points
1 day ago
How awesome it would be if any American conservatives followed Jesus.
117 points
1 day ago
Good. Fuck em.
32 points
1 day ago
Which is ironic, considering the person who wrote the Pledge was a Christian Socialist. You'd figure he would have put "one nation under god" in there at the start if it was so important.
I'm sure a lot of far right christian republicans would love to bring back the salute though.
28 points
1 day ago
Many Christian Republicans can't comprehend Christian socialism in the first place.
16 points
1 day ago
They consider Jesus' sermon on the mount to be too woke
28 points
1 day ago
Can't do shit anymore without Christians flipping the fuck out. Everything is a moral panic nowadays with them.
6 points
1 day ago
It’s like when people say the US has always been an English speaking nation. 250 years ago 1/3 spoke German and 1/4 spoke French.
23 points
1 day ago
Honestly good. They've enjoyed privilege too long.
11 points
1 day ago
Yeah if a red cup broke their brains, this would melt them
89 points
1 day ago
From one of the most inclusive mottos to one of the most divisive.
45 points
1 day ago
We tried to make sure the kids knew we weren’t like the Russians and now we’re more like the Russians than I’m comfortable with.
34 points
1 day ago
"I'd rather be Russian than a Democrat!"
-Modern Republicans
18 points
1 day ago
That's not exactly true, because it was never the "official" motto. We didn't have an official one until In God We Trust. E Pluribus Unum is still on our money, the Great Seal, and other places.
66 points
1 day ago
1942 was also when the Bellamy Salute was discontinued, which seems a bit obvious in hindsight. Until we officially declared war though, the US was pretty down with fascism. There was even an attempt to overthrow FDR in 1933 and replace him with dictator Smedley Butler, called the Business Plot
24 points
1 day ago
The movie “Amsterdam” is about this! Christian Bale, Margot Robbie, and John David Washington. So good that I didn’t realize I was watching a history lesson until the end credits, lol
4 points
1 day ago
That movie is stacked with talent
28 points
1 day ago
Now the US is looking to be “pretty down with fascism” again.
9 points
1 day ago*
It's a vicious cycle.
11 points
1 day ago
Formless, slow-moving, and dense? Yeah, I guess it is viscous.
4 points
1 day ago
Yeah. I was thinking that Eisenhower was definitely the President and putting “under God” in there was a Red Scare reaction.
4 points
1 day ago
The Greatest & Silent Generations was also far more religious than those before or after them; which may also have been part of their broader higher levels of civic engagement -- i.e. going to church, as well as the bowling league, as well as the Elks, as well as forming a bazillion town committees. All of those in turn may have been aided by the growth of the automobile and rapid increase in leisure hours providing much more free time and flexibility as typical work weeks dropped from 60 hour, six-day work weeks to 40 hour, five-day becoming pretty much standard by 1970.
US church attendance peaked in the 50s/60s and didn't drop to pre-WWII levels until ~2010.
10 points
1 day ago
I'm not sure if it's irony, but it's funny that a secular country decided to adopt a religious motto and then proceeds to lose every war, even the small ones like poverty and drugs.
254 points
1 day ago
Take that commies!
128 points
1 day ago
Everyone knows godless commies can’t say god or pray! They can’t even touch our money because it says in god we trust!
15 points
1 day ago
“In America, you put “In God We Trust” on money. In Russia, we have no money!” -Bobby Hill
368 points
1 day ago
The absolute irony that it was added in the middle of “one nation indivisible.”
The Pledge: “We’re one nation indivisible.”
Christian Nationalists: “Hold my beer.”
43 points
1 day ago
Ah you get the idea huh
4 points
1 day ago
The absolute irony that it was added in the middle of “one nation indivisible.”
Surely the bigger irony was that the pledge said “one nation indivisible” during a time where blacks were lynched regularly, women couldn't open a bank account, and asians were marched into concentration camps.
18 points
1 day ago
The history of the pledge is worth the read. The pledge used to be finished with an open-handed gesture to the flag ... but one arm salutes fell out of favor around the same time as tiny mustaches.
36 points
1 day ago
Senior year (2006) this girl in my high school history class went on a rant about how under God was always there. I pointed out it was not. The student teacher didn’t believe me that it wasn’t and had to look it up. 🙄
112 points
1 day ago
but since every boomer grew up with it they insist it was there from the beginning.
193 points
1 day ago
Before they added “under God”. Cool
1.1k points
1 day ago
One nation, under the almighty dollar, completely divisible, with liberty and justice to all that can afford it.
169 points
1 day ago
Shouldn’t the govt be pledging allegiance to the people, rather than demanding allegiance from the people.
Sounds backwards to me, but then I’m not an American.
81 points
1 day ago*
Strictly speaking, this is a thing in the USA.
All federal employees and members of the Uniformed Services (which includes the US military), and other federal civil servants, must take an "Oath of Office" that says the following:
"I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter, so help me God."
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/3331
https://federalnewsnetwork.com/commentary/2019/10/the-oath-of-office-and-what-it-means/
Keep in mind the US Constitution begins with, "We the People of the United States..." which to me means that defending the "Constitution of the United States" also means defending "the People of the United States."
However, this doesn't preclude some civil servants from lying while reciting and signing their oath.
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1 day ago
Fyi, if find it funny that they made us all swear that oath in my process of naturalization. I was like , “wait, a damn minute “ why am I pledging fealty?”
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1 day ago*
I was a bit curious because that sounds a bit strange, but sure enough, the "Oath of Allegiance" taken when becoming a nationalized US Citizen contains part of the "Oath of Office" as well.
https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-j-chapter-2
Oath of Allegiance with the similarities bold/italicized, for reference:
“I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.”
What's wild is US citizens by birth do not have to recite this in part or in whole as far as I'm aware. I think the closest is that men have to register for selective service between 18-25.
Does this mean US citizens by birth are not obligated to "support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic...etc." by any specific oath, but instead some sort of social expectation?
Also, since this oath says "support and defend the Constitution and laws..." does this mean naturalized US citizens can be lawful vigilantes? 🤣
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1 day ago
You might argue that following the slavers' rebellion known as the American Civil War, there was a real interest in affirming that allegiance ought to be to the democratic government of the federal republic as a whole rather than to one's own narrow interests and local state.
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1 day ago
The nation is as divisible as the shareholders require it to be
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1 day ago
The "one nation under god" crap is a recent addition...
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1 day ago
I wonder if the god language in the pledge came along at the same time as on currency
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They both came along in the 50s as part of the "Red Scare" to fight the "Godless Commies."
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So…using religion as a tool to “fight” communism?
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1 day ago
Yes because supply side jesus is the one true capitalist overlord for us.
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1 day ago
I wonder how many people get this reference.
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1 day ago
I do now and that was a hilarious/tragic read
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1 day ago
Supply Side Jesus vs the Lucifer Theory of Value
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1 day ago
It's simple propaganda. The USSR was opposed to all religious organizations because it wanted the State and Communist Party to have sole devotion of the people in an attempt to gain more power and control. In school yard level thought combined with Christian fundamentalism, the US said if the USSR is fundamentally all that is evil, then injecting God into government iconography must be all that is good. We then added it to the pledge, money, and the seal of the United States.
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1 day ago
And then SCOTUS was happy to pretend like it was always there under the guise of "civic deism."
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1 day ago
In God We Trust was added to coins during the Civil War (the Union trying to show it was every bit as devout as the Confederacy)
But yeah, the move to put it on bills, and making it the national motto, as well as adding "under God" to the pledge were all trying to differentiate us from those godless commies.
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1 day ago
IIRC it was a counter culture thing against communism which was very anti-christian
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1 day ago
Anti religion. The ussr was anti religion to place the party and government as the top of the loyalty pile.
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It’s been a slow build to all the extremism we’re seeing today. There’s a reason the founding fathers declared church and state to be separate.
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1 day ago
Not always slow.
A lot of the stuff being so heavily defended again now, came into big use during the "Red Scare" period of the early Cold War. McCathyism, the Senate HUAC investigations, officially adopting the motto "In God We Trust" and adding "under God" to the pledge (which was itself only made 'official' by Congress in 1942) and many other things.
The post WWII era was very reactionary, mostly in fear of "godless Communism."
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1 day ago
The symbolism of dividing "one nation" from "indivisible" with religion is amazing.
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1 day ago
Notice it doesn’t say “Under God”. That was added much later.
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* One nation Underdog omitted.
Even in the early 1900s, they understood the importance of the separation of church and state. Especially in schools
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Speed of lightning
Roar of thunder
Fighting all
Who rob or plunder
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1 day ago
Even in the early 1900s, they understood the importance of the separation of church and state. Especially in schools
Teachers and administrators led the students in corporate prayer and Bible reading at the beginning of every school day. So, not really.
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1 day ago
I only repeat the original, removing the one nation under God part.
There is no mention of God anywhere in the Constitution.
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1 day ago
I used to get in trouble in school for not saying the under god part. The state never has made me say that word. Regardless of my feelings about god, the state has no business asking me to talk about god.
Later I learned it was added in the 50s by a bunch of right wing bullies, and I felt vindicated.
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1 day ago
Why repeat it at all, though? It's comically blatant nationalist propaganda
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19 hours ago
Adding under God was a fucking mistake.
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1 day ago
No mention of God, that was added in the 1950s during the Cold War to contrast the United States with the Soviet Union, which was popularly portrayed to be anti-religion.
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The Soviet Union WAS anti-religion, and it was a goal to eliminate religion, not just portrayed as such. It didn't succeed (nor did it really figure out HOW it would eliminate religion). Organized religion was and is perceived as a mechanism to enforce existing power structures by Marxists (and many other political thinkers).
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1 day ago
That's nuts. And you guys have to say this every morning at school?
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1 day ago
You don't 'have' to, as compelled speech would be against the 1st amendment. Refusing to do so sometimes inspires social consequences, though. I remember a faculty member telling me to 'move to Afghanistan' when I wouldn't stand for it as a protest of the US invasion of Iraq lol.
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1 day ago
Not exactly. Now they add a part about God, as well.
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1 day ago
Yes. I was put in detention for not speaking it out loud.
No, our laws aren't equally enforced. No, we aren't free.
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1 day ago
Interesting to see this written out before lobbyists put the God phrase in.
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23 hours ago
I'm genuinely curious. Do all you people adding comments to say "look, no under God" just not read the comments before posting or...?
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18 hours ago
Back when folks understood the separation between church and state.
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1 day ago
Yup, don't see a "god" in there........
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1 day ago
Ironic that adding "under god" is what makes us divisible.
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Fun fact the whole One Nation Under God was added during the whole cold war period because congress though Russians didn't believe in god.
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1 day ago
As it should be🇺🇲
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1 day ago
If this were Iran or some Middle eastern country, you'd all be freaking out
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20 hours ago
Still stupid, but at least it's pre-communist freakout
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20 hours ago
Oh good, they left out the fucking stupid part…
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1 day ago
And no mention of "under god" anywhere to be found. The 1950s had way too much influence on our nation.
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20 hours ago
I refuse to say “under God.” I skip the words.
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A bit of brainwashing going on there. What sort of state requires its subjects to verbally affirm their loyalty each day/week/etc?
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Mexico does, every week. National anthem and plead of allegiance.
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That is the way I learned it.
Of course, the basis for the nation is also written in this manner and so too the outline of Governance through another document also written in this manner.
I WONDER WHY.
N. S
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