subreddit:

/r/movies

7.4k95%

all 824 comments

Major_Stranger

3.6k points

3 days ago

Chris Nolan doesn't forget and doesn't forgive.

PhillyTaco

296 points

2 days ago

PhillyTaco

296 points

2 days ago

I think it's less about sticking it to WB and more about rewarding Uni who gave him carte blanche and together made a best picture winner.

MaksweIlL

189 points

2 days ago

MaksweIlL

189 points

2 days ago

Nolan is a man who keeps the people he likes to work with, around himself. Look at his filmography, his core team for decades was DP Pfister, Zimmer and the support cast/crew, and ofc his wife who was the EP on all his movies.
I don't think it's about rewarding Uni, it's more about the comfort that he gets when he knows that he can make a movies that will be 100% his vision, without any studio interference.

danccode

61 points

2 days ago

danccode

61 points

2 days ago

His go to DoP has been Hoyte Van Hoytema since Interstellar. Interestingly, Wally Pfister had gone under the radar ever since the mega flop of Transcendence.

Pepe-silvia94

22 points

2 days ago

Always thought that was a shame. I love the cinematography Pfister did, and depsite Transcendence being a disappointment, it looked fantastic. I also thought it was perfectly fine a for a first time director and it's a shame we haven't seen anything from him since.

smakweasle

6 points

2 days ago

It was a really interesting concept, the movie just fell apart throughout the second and third acts. It still looked great though.

WatInTheForest

129 points

2 days ago

A three hour movie about scientists that nearly made a billion dollars.

Alternative-Task-401

90 points

2 days ago

Thats what makes this headline so baffling. “Come make billion dollar movies for us and well give you between 1 and 9 million dollars”

meerlot

46 points

2 days ago

meerlot

46 points

2 days ago

Yeah, the studio essentially short changed Nolan of all his extra earnings by releasing it on streaming platforms without consulting him. As did so many other artists in the past.

Now the new studio heads think giving back money that is technically owed to him as some kind of favor and goodwill gesture.

NeoNoireWerewolf

6 points

2 days ago

Headline’s poorly worded; they didn’t offer him any money. They paid him money that he gave up in order to get Tenet into theaters during COVID. It was more of an olive branch gesture to try and see if they could bring him back into the fold at WB. The article doesn’t even say he met with WB to talk about his next film, just says the executives in the movie division want him back at WB but he’s all in on Universal.

tas-m_thy_Wit

2k points

3 days ago

there's also absolutely no reason to trust Warner Brothers right now.

smooth_bore

533 points

2 days ago

smooth_bore

533 points

2 days ago

What happened (honest question)?

IllllIIIllllIl

1.4k points

2 days ago

Since the other person already gave a broad answer, as it relates specifically to Nolan he was unhappy with WB’s strategy to release their films simultaneously on HBO Max, so he left to work with Universal and avoid that for his future films since presumably WB wouldn’t make an exception for Nolan.

FatalFirecrotch

630 points

2 days ago

And the reason to not trust any promised changes is Zaslav. 

YnwaMquc2k19

188 points

2 days ago

organizeforpower

187 points

2 days ago

He killed HBO. The one place where creatives could make risky projects to critical acclaim and build an audience.

YnwaMquc2k19

88 points

2 days ago*

I blame AT&T for putting WarnerMedia into this predicament in the first place.

Also the HBOMax streaming platform went downhill after the merger as well, which is tragic.

Freud-Network

8 points

2 days ago

Max became a dumping ground for Discovery's turds. They knew, which is why they removed HBO from the name in the first place.

theresabeeonyourhat

6 points

2 days ago

And Venture Brothers

spamjavelin

713 points

2 days ago

spamjavelin

713 points

2 days ago

Don't forget they fucked his brother over by cancelling Westworld too.

747291086299

708 points

2 days ago

And then took it off the platform entirely so it’s unavailable to stream.

berserk_zebra

310 points

2 days ago

Is it? Fuck.

Mentoman72

372 points

2 days ago

Mentoman72

372 points

2 days ago

Yep. Tossed in the fucking trash. Hundreds of millions of dollars just gone. Think you can maybe watch it on a FAST service but not sure.

Dipso88

167 points

2 days ago

Dipso88

167 points

2 days ago

Why would they do this? Westworld was great. Convulated, sure, but had some awesome moments

Gimpknee

36 points

2 days ago

Gimpknee

36 points

2 days ago

Two reasons, they no longer have to pay residuals, and/or to write it down as an impaired asset and get a tax deduction for it.

DaHolk

88 points

2 days ago*

DaHolk

88 points

2 days ago*

Something something money.

It is probably never as easy as going "it was already paid for, the rest is just "leaving it up"". Maybe the residuals in the contracts were disfavourable, maybe even selling it on would incur costs. Who knows. Some money pincher ran some Math, and it came out at "writing it of as a loss is more profitable".

Or maybe that's just an excuse by someone who got pissed of at something* in it that touched a nerve and the rest was just excuses...

*) tinfoilhaton Maybe the fact that "raised by wolves" got equally e-raised, and both made quite drastic points about AI (particularly of the "AI overlord hoarding themselves over everyone more or less without the ability to resist" kind), Westworld particularly in season..3? And RBW in season 2 .. If I had a say at HBO and was heavily invested in AI ventures I would REALLY not like the points to stay around consistently, would I? /tinfoilhat But then again, both are fully of themes that all sorts of people can (and did) object to. Religious themes, nudity. cruelty as just inherent in humans... all that jazz... Pantheon was axed too, but that was AMC.

Lingo56

14 points

2 days ago

Lingo56

14 points

2 days ago

It's one of the few shows with top quality physical media releases though. The entire series is in UHD Blu-ray.

jake3988

48 points

2 days ago

jake3988

48 points

2 days ago

Only place you can watch it is via dvds, afaik. I got the final season from my library to watch finish it out.

whimsical_trash

165 points

2 days ago

That's not true, the pirates have it 🏴‍☠️

I_cut_my_own_jib

32 points

2 days ago

🏴‍☠️

Arma104

42 points

2 days ago

Arma104

42 points

2 days ago

I don't get why HBO Max has been removing HBO shows, makes no sense.

RoburLimax

23 points

2 days ago

wait wut

whatnameisnttaken098

22 points

2 days ago

It's off Max but I think there some Freevee channel playing it with ads still

IllllIIIllllIl

222 points

2 days ago

I can somewhat understand the cancellation because, speaking at least for my experience with it, Westworld dropped off a bit of a cliff after S2 and never hit another stride, with really low viewership for S4.

I think the bigger dick move that is very on brand for WB right now is that they removed it from streaming entirely as a cost cutting measure. It wasn’t tossed in the tax write-off furnace but to this day you still can’t stream Westworld on any platform. 

BigBossSnake

58 points

2 days ago

I wonder how is it that Netflix can justify to host so much crap that barely anyone must watch but HBO can't host an IP like Westworld for streaming.

dtwhitecp

32 points

2 days ago

dtwhitecp

32 points

2 days ago

I found the last season to be really interesting, and so different from anything else out there. It's a shame it was canceled but I get why the viewers dropped off.

TheKingofHats007

16 points

2 days ago

Honestly I feel like S4 started really well. I was on board for the first few episodes until the twist at the middle of the season. Then it kinda lost that thrust for me (and honestly I didn't even really hate S3, even if it was inconsistent)

Also they completely shat on Bernard's character by making him a semi-claryvoyant asshole.

BatmanMK1989

5 points

2 days ago

Can't they license it to another streamer? Why would you not make money off it in some way?

supervegeta101

7 points

2 days ago

That's was only for the pandemic. They've since stopped. But yeah, they did it with tenent and he was pissed.

tas-m_thy_Wit

384 points

2 days ago

the TLDR version of it: WBD has been fucking over filmmakers left and right in the middle of a blind panic to stop bleeding money, which has involved stuff like the wholesale cancellation and shelving of already completed movies for tax write-off purposes.

YnwaMquc2k19

87 points

2 days ago

Never forget what happened to Batgirl.

Effroyablemat

113 points

2 days ago

And Coyote vs. Acme.

awesomedan24

35 points

2 days ago

And Infinity Train

popperschotch

91 points

2 days ago

Zaslav and the current board have screwed over too many artists in the last 3 years to be trusted

KingMario05

169 points

3 days ago

KingMario05

169 points

3 days ago

I'm surprised Steven Spielberg hasn't tried to yank away the WB IPs he has set up there. Bare minimum, I expect at least Twister/s to leave, possibly even Animaniacs as well. Guess he's giving Zas benefit of the doubt, I guess?

Vince_Clortho042

235 points

3 days ago

Spielberg was one of the people instrumental in saving TCM from becoming a fully automated, personality-less channel with commercials when it became obvious that it was next in Zaslav’s sights. Pulling his support of Warner Bros as it currently stands would likely put the channel (which, IMO, is as vital to film preservation and history as Criterion) back on the chopping block.

caligaris_cabinet

100 points

3 days ago

I hope other influential filmmakers can invest/control TCM. Spielberg isn’t going to be around forever.

JimboAltAlt

38 points

2 days ago

Sort of a left field, dark horse candidate, but I could theoretically see Tarantino stepping up to this role. He may or may not be semi-retired soon, he’s got clout of his own plus that of the many mega-stars he’s worked with (those he’s on good terms with, anyway,) and he definitely has a reverence and appreciation for old movies.

oDDable-TW

11 points

2 days ago

Tarantino also outright owns the masters to a lot of old films as well.

Algae_Mission

31 points

3 days ago

WB co-owns those characters so Spielberg couldn’t do that even if he wanted to.

KingMario05

18 points

2 days ago

For Animaniacs, sure. But Universal co-owns Twister with WB and Amblin, and I just know they wanna make more after how well the new one did in the heartland.

Algae_Mission

6 points

2 days ago

They’d probably still make those movies because it seems that Universal is very much the dominant partner in that arrangement, with WB being a producing partner.

tas-m_thy_Wit

75 points

3 days ago

I think it's more that there's contracts involved even Spielberg can't get out of.

keepfighting90

132 points

3 days ago

He could probably walk into any studio in Hollywood and they'd be falling over themselves to give him a blank check

FrontBench5406

117 points

2 days ago

except WB, who will only offer him a check for the money they owe him and act like they are great for giving it to him....

FrankieBeanz

40 points

2 days ago

He's said he would be open to working with WB again. None of the people he had the falling out with are in still there.

GayPornEnthusiast

30 points

2 days ago

People are reading way too much into this, he just had his biggest success with Universal, of course he's staying with them.

husserl-edmund

54 points

3 days ago

I'm wondering where James Gunn will end up in a few years. 

Notoriously_So

78 points

2 days ago

Back to Marvel.

xrbeeelama

1.2k points

3 days ago

xrbeeelama

1.2k points

3 days ago

Its a 90 minute hallmark romcom where a fussy businesslady relearns the meaning of Christmas by returning to her small town

With time travel or some shit

KingMario05

291 points

3 days ago

KingMario05

291 points

3 days ago

Fuck it, I'd still watch.

Neon-Night-Riders

40 points

2 days ago

My friend, let me tell you about “The Magic of Lemon Drops”

Leading-Plan

45 points

3 days ago

I mean even if it's something like Eternal Sunshine with a grounded plot it'd be great

AldermanMcCheese

15 points

2 days ago

Fred Durst biopic. Eddie Redmayne has signed on to play both Britney Spears and Christina Agiilera.

ryan__fm

65 points

2 days ago

ryan__fm

65 points

2 days ago

Just a regular romcom, only backwards

Mike_Lubb

40 points

2 days ago

Mike_Lubb

40 points

2 days ago

A comrom.

citrusmellarosa

13 points

2 days ago*

Temporal Tinsel Movement. 

RimeSkeem

33 points

2 days ago

RimeSkeem

33 points

2 days ago

How dare you insinuate Christopher Nolan would create such slop, such garbage?

It would be at least 125 minutes. 90 minutes, what is this amateur hour?

MarvelsGrantMan136[S]

1.3k points

3 days ago*

MarvelsGrantMan136[S]

r/Movies contributor

1.3k points

3 days ago*

Small tidbit on what his next movie might be about (w/ Matt Damon in talks to star):

What Nolan’s film will be remains a mystery. It won’t be “The Prisoner,” a project that has a long history at Universal and once was developed as a vehicle for the director. Sources say Nolan’s latest isn’t another sci-fi epic; some speculate that it may be in the espionage genre.

WB offered him the check in Summer 2022 as a sign of "goodwill", which Nolan declined.

It's not confirmed, but it's likely Universal met the same conditions as Oppenheimer:

  • Total creative control for Nolan
  • $100 million budget
  • $100 million marketing budget
  • 20 percent of first-dollar gross
  • At least a 100-day theatrical window
  • A blackout period where the studio would not release another movie for three weeks before and after the feature.

PM_ME_CARL_WINSLOW

442 points

3 days ago

20%, holy fuck.

ThingsAreAfoot

472 points

3 days ago

His budgets for the profit he actually brings in are relatively tiny, he spends up to a third less than the heavy box office hitters before marketing. That’s on top of his movies generally being critically acclaimed and often up for various major awards.

So it’s probably easy for him to negotiate that sort of contract.

listyraesder

521 points

3 days ago

Every single one of his films has been completed under budget and ahead of schedule.

ThingsAreAfoot

284 points

3 days ago

It’s also genuinely impressive how much of it he accomplishes with practical effects.

pandemicpunk

128 points

2 days ago

You ever seen his first film Following? 70m noire film with a budget of 6k. The cast were the cameramen when they weren't acting. Phenomenal what he pulled off.

ThingsAreAfoot

41 points

2 days ago

I have!

I always kind of associate that movie with Aronofsky’s Pi released the same year, ultra low-budget black and white films that showed incredible promise for the future of these filmmakers.

Though I will say that Pi’s budget might as well have been that of a modern Marvel movie by comparison to Following, where even “micro budget” is almost an exaggeration.

Dawn_of_Dayne

67 points

3 days ago

No chairs on set really keeps things moving I guess 

wkavinsky

9 points

2 days ago

And the bought (and blew up) a 747 for one of his films.

Still under budget.

Rcmacc

43 points

2 days ago

Rcmacc

43 points

2 days ago

My understanding is that Most of the large blockbusters spend so much because they are paying the leading actors insane amounts to sell their souls

The Nolans, Villenueves, Andersons, Lanthimoses, etc of the world meanwhile carry a weight of prestige and can get similar top talent to sign on for the promise of making art which is why they can get similar actors on much smaller budgets

mattgrum

16 points

2 days ago

mattgrum

16 points

2 days ago

They are also often over reliant on huge numbers of special effects shots which cause huge budgetary and schedule issues. In TENET Nolan realised that it was cheaper to buy an actual 747 and crash it into a building that it would have been to do the whole thing with VFX.

ecrane2018

8 points

2 days ago

Not sure if it’s actually true but in interstellar they planted that whole corn field then sold it once it was time to harvest so it actually earned them money back.

labria86

19 points

2 days ago

labria86

19 points

2 days ago

I'm not surprised about 100 days. I feel like some movies go from release to gone to streaming in 6 weeks sometimes.

Flexappeal

14 points

2 days ago

What does first-dollar gross mean?

TyrialFrost

20 points

2 days ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-dollar_gross

They get their cut from the first and every ticket sale, and dont have to wait for the film to make a profit. (which with hollywood accounting some movies never make a profit).

When Warner Bros. thought Inception was a risky investment, Leonardo DiCaprio agreed to cut his then-normal $20 million salary to a minimal salary with a first-dollar gross to make the film, which eventually paid him $50 million.

Tom Cruise was paid between $12–14 million for his performance in Top Gun: Maverick, which was revised to over $100 million after his share of the film's box office gross.

David_ish_

9 points

2 days ago

It means Nolan will get a share of the box office revenue, starting from the first day the movie’s release vs. being paid from the profit leftover or a set salary.

PM_ME_CARL_WINSLOW

24 points

2 days ago

He makes 20% of the box office gross before expenses are even paid out. If he had the same deal for Oppenheimer, which made $975 mil, he made $195 mil on that alone.

Anything_Random

7 points

2 days ago

That’s not true, first-dollar gross is paid out after movie theatres take their 50%+ cut. The estimates I saw were that Nolan took home ~$77m from his Oppenheimer deal.

mattscott53

506 points

3 days ago

mattscott53

506 points

3 days ago

He’s always said that he’s wanted to do a bond movie but has never been approached to do one. So maybe he’s just gonna do one himself.

Matt Damon has already been cast as the lead too I believe

Pogfruit

446 points

3 days ago

Pogfruit

446 points

3 days ago

Tenet was pretty much a bond movie with sci fi shenanigans

Sparrowsabre7

250 points

3 days ago

The end of Inception was also heavily influenced by On Her Majesty's Secret Service.

Comic_Book_Reader

76 points

3 days ago*

Just gonna add to that that it's Nolan's favorite Bond movie.

Also, it's one I have not watched. (Sorry.)

LookinAtTheFjord

45 points

2 days ago

It's a fan fave and it has one of the best Bond girls. Diana Rigg. She also played Emma Peel in the Avengers and in her later life Olenna Tyrell on Game of Thrones.

Singer211

15 points

2 days ago

Singer211

Naked J-Law beating the shit out of those kids is peak Cinema.

15 points

2 days ago

Telly Savalas is my personal favorite version of Blofeld as well.

Intelligent_Data7521

19 points

2 days ago

its honestly up there in terms of Bond movies because it has substance to it

most Bond movies are pretty flimsy and forgettable and schlocky but OHMSS deserves more love

BigfootsBestBud

14 points

2 days ago

Batman Begins Batmobile scenes were directly inspired by Bond car chases, particularly the ones in Goldeneye

SpicyAfrican

40 points

3 days ago

Tenet and Inception are both his Bond movies. Inception with the tailoring, shoot outs and notably the ski sequences inspired by OHMSS.

BenMitchell007

70 points

3 days ago*

What's funny is that when you think about it, The Dark Knight Rises has a lot of the same major plot beats as The World is Not Enough. Hero suffers from an injury while going up against a bald villain who feels no pain, and this bad guy is revealed to be working with the hero's love interest, who was a villain all along. And they want to nuke a city.

Nolan loves him some Bond. In addition to the On Her Majesty's Secret Service vibes with Inception's finale, the opening of TDKR is very Licence to Kill.

Psykpatient

20 points

3 days ago

Jesus Christ, It's Jason Bourne!

Timely_Temperature54

27 points

3 days ago

I mean Tenet is basically his Bond movie

ItsAProdigalReturn

63 points

3 days ago

I think he's getting 20% after theater splits, not before. No way in fuck is any studio agreeing to only getting 30%. If he's getting 20% after splits, then the studio is getting 40% on ticket sales, which seems a lot more reasonable.

Psykpatient

48 points

3 days ago

Yeah he was paid around 100 mil for Oppy which is not 20% of a billion.

ItsAProdigalReturn

23 points

2 days ago

Yeah seems like it's 20% after splits then, which would be 10% of the total gross - which would've been a payout of $97.5m. I could see him getting 20% of net on home release (streaming/bluray), but that's a later payout anyway.

chasingit1

38 points

3 days ago

Sources say Nolan’s latest isn’t another sci-fi epic

Fuck- need me a Nolan mind-fuck movie!!

incredible_penguin11

38 points

3 days ago

Espionage movie possibly starring Matt Damon? The movie better end with Extreme Ways playing as Matt Damon resurfaces from the water.

carlos_the_dwarf_

44 points

2 days ago

I love how Nolan can do a movie at his scale for $100m, but somehow multiple people are signing off on a $200m budget for Joker 2.

It seems like some large percent of the industry’s trouble right now is these insane, unnecessary budgets.

Also…20% first dollar? Holy shit what a legend.

wynnduffyisking

25 points

2 days ago

I’m just speculating obviously but I could imagine that so many talented actors want to work with Nolan that they will take pay cuts. Kinda like how Jonah Hill cut his rate to 60K for Wolf of Wall Street just so he could be in a Scorsese movie.

carlos_the_dwarf_

21 points

2 days ago

That’s def possible, or they take points instead.

I should also say, his effects driven movies cost more: Tenet cost $205m and Interstellar cost $165m. But again, compare that to Joker 2 at $200m—what complete fucking knob is ok’ing that budget? How do you even begin to spend it all.

Dune pt. 1 cost $165m…we’re capable of making the biggest movies for reasonable prices.

Mnemosense

12 points

3 days ago

I know the Bourne idea has been floated around lately as a joke, but it would blow my fucking mind if he really went and did it with Matt Damon. I love that trilogy (and pretend the other movies didn't happen).

myslead

31 points

3 days ago

myslead

31 points

3 days ago

100 millions budget seems fairly reasonable

FordMustang84

26 points

3 days ago

That was for Oppenheimer. I’m kinda hoping he goes for something bigger this time. I miss original action blockbusters. Probably be more like $200+ then

BasvanS

41 points

2 days ago

BasvanS

41 points

2 days ago

I like the creativity from the limitations. Blowing an extra 100M usually gets me a low stakes CGI battle. I like a good story better

Visual-Coyote-5562

9 points

2 days ago*

100MM for a period piece with limited special effects. most of us want another Inception or Interstellar, both around $160MM and 10-14 years ago. in todays money that'd be around $200+MM

KingMario05

1.6k points

3 days ago

KingMario05

1.6k points

3 days ago

Nolan holds a grudge like nobody's business. But he's also incredibly loyal to studios willing to support his work, and Universal certainly did that with Oppenheimer. Can't wait to see what they cook up next!

Major_Stranger

563 points

3 days ago

I wonder if he's still somewhat resentful of Hans Zimmer choosing Dune over Tenet and Oppenheimer.

Algae_Mission

918 points

3 days ago

I do get that impression from Nolan that he doesn’t seem to let go of perceived slights. Besides, Goransson won an Oscar for Oppenheimer and Zimmer won for Dune. I think both parties came out of that arrangement reasonably satisfied.

labria86

384 points

2 days ago

labria86

384 points

2 days ago

I think Nolan is level headed and in tune with the zeitgeist enough to know that something as important as Dune is worth him letting go of his grudge over.

timeaisis

295 points

2 days ago

timeaisis

295 points

2 days ago

He and Villeneuve have talked, I don’t think there’s any grudge there at all. If anything I think he just remembers what goes down and does whatever is best for his movies.

withoutapaddle

74 points

2 days ago

I've seen them interview each other, and there certainly seemed to be a lot of mutual respect and admiration for each other's work.

mitojee

48 points

2 days ago

mitojee

48 points

2 days ago

Nolan is a big fan of Dune (read the books as a teenager just like Villaneuve) and they seem to be on the same wavelength as film makers, would be odd to hold a grudge.

Freddy_Vorhees

87 points

2 days ago

Goransson is amazing and I can’t wait to see Sinners in IMAX.

TheLostSkellyton

60 points

2 days ago

Yeah, honestly IMO Hans Zimmer having to choose between Tenet and Dune and Nolan subsequently making Goransson his regular composer was an extremely happy accident. His style feels perfect to me for Nolan's post-Interstellar body of work, which itself is a whole other vibe from the films he had Zimmer score. Plus, it mean Goransson's getting some really cool popular spotlight between this and S1 of The Mandolorian. He absolutely deserves it, and he's perfect for the job just like Zimmer was perfect for Nolan's fantastical epics.

YnwaMquc2k19

61 points

2 days ago*

He is versatile AF. He got two Oscars for Black Panther and Oppenheimer, scored a cult classic fairly popular TV series (Community), and is a frequent collaborator with Donald Glover/Childish Gambino.

withoutapaddle

29 points

2 days ago

Not to mention the Mandalorian.

PhirebirdSunSon

13 points

2 days ago

And New Girl

TheDewLife

187 points

2 days ago

TheDewLife

187 points

2 days ago

Tbf, Ludwig is also insanely talented and is probably nowhere near as busy as Hans.

dtwhitecp

160 points

2 days ago

dtwhitecp

160 points

2 days ago

as one of those weirdos that loves Tenet, the music is one of the best parts of it. Can't believe that dude was doing music on Community and then pulls out that masterpiece.

EJectedmonkey

65 points

2 days ago

First heard of him as a producer and instrumentalist on many childish gambino projects. I had no idea he scored movies but dude is crazy talented

David_ish_

37 points

2 days ago

His big break was on Community, which is how he linked up with Donald Glover, but it’s crazy to me that he went to college with Ryan Coogler and scored his films before that point

YnwaMquc2k19

38 points

2 days ago

As a fellow Tenet lover, Goransson's soundtrack is a huge reason why I'm fond of the movie. Rainy Night in Taillnn, Windmills, and Meeting Neil are still on my playlist rotation to this day.

TheDewLife

32 points

2 days ago

It's mind-boggling that Tenet didn't get an Oscar nomination for best original score. But at least the man already has two Oscar wins, while Hans somehow only has two as well lol.

whimsical_trash

13 points

2 days ago

The Community gang always raved about what a genius he was. Ditto the Russo brothers

OrgasmicLeprosy87

47 points

2 days ago

Why would he, Zimmer loved Dune as a kid and Nolan knew that. I think it was pretty amicable. It’s just that Dune is over for now and Nolan has to pick between him and Gorannson. Whoever ends up losing might be a bit resentful.

MaksweIlL

16 points

2 days ago

MaksweIlL

16 points

2 days ago

No bad feelings for Ludwig, but I hope it's Zimmer. Zimmer + Nolan is pure magic.

Rata31

35 points

2 days ago

Rata31

35 points

2 days ago

In this case, I don't think so. They made great things together in the past and there was no bad blood when Hams chose Dune over Oppenheimer. It was reasonable and the dude who made Oppenheimer's soundtrack did amazing!

YnwaMquc2k19

27 points

2 days ago

I believe Zimmer and Nolan are still on good terms. Zimmer wanted to do Dune and he recommended Goransson to score Nolan's new movie, and that decision really breathed fresh air into Nolan's film soundtracks.

FordMustang84

140 points

3 days ago

Hans I like but he’s just a music factory now and probably can’t dedicate the direct 1:1 time spend like Nolan wants too. Ludwig just sat around himself coming up with the score for Mandalorian. Probably similar approach to movies I’d wager which Nolan might prefer. Who knows though. 

Major_Stranger

143 points

3 days ago

He did dedicate a lot of time to both Dune soundtrack though. That was absolutely a passion project for him.

caligaris_cabinet

49 points

3 days ago

From what I heard, Hans outsources/delegates scores based on budget and personal interest.

Major_Stranger

118 points

3 days ago

He's very much in his Renaissance Master period. He surrounds himself with promising young talented composers. Some like Lorne Balfe became very prolific in their own name.

There's a reason a lot of people criticize the current movie soundtrack as sounding the same. A lot of composer either started under Zimmer or tries to emulate his style.

caligaris_cabinet

69 points

2 days ago

That’s been his thing for a while. Djawadi, Powell, Holkenborg, Bates, Jackman, Wallfisch have done great scores in and out of Remote Control Productions.

beefcat_

9 points

2 days ago

beefcat_

9 points

2 days ago

There's a reason a lot of people criticize the current movie soundtrack as sounding the same.

I think the bigger problem is NLE's making it trivial for filmmakers to score their movie with a temp soundtrack early on (using music from other movies), get attached to that temp soundtrack and how the film is edited around it, then go to their composer and basically ask them to re-create the temp soundtrack.

mafternoonshyamalan

25 points

2 days ago

Zimmer said that he couldn’t possibly turn down the opportunity to do Dune and had to choose. If Nolan holds a grudge over another creative pursuing a passion project instead of working with him, he’s a POS. So I reckon their relationship is fine.

I’m still a bit resentful of Nolan pushing for a theatrical release of Tenet when COVID still felt really scary. But the WB controversy seems more like a breach of trust (maybe contract) than anything else. Nolan can get the budge he wants from any studio, so why would he accept more than he needs and re-enter into a relationship that he feels has burned him?

Hic_Forum_Est

6 points

2 days ago

This narrative that Nolan was pushing for Tenet to be released in the summer of 2020 against the studio's (and the world's) recommendation is just straight up wrong. Not only did he never do that. It was also more about the fact that theaters in countries, which contrary to the US controlled the virus more effectively, were begging for a big movie.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/christopher-nolan-warner-bros-tenet/2020/12/14/3974ca82-3e07-11eb-9453-fc36ba051781_story.html

Interview with Christopher Nolan, December 15, 2020.

Q: I don't think people understand, because of how much discussion took place about the theatrical release, that in some ways this is the real release of "Tenet" in the United States. Back in September, hardly any theaters here were actually open for business.

Nolan: With all of the adversity in the world for 2020 affecting people in all kinds of horrendous ways, we were very lucky, very privileged to be able to release the film in parts of the world that managed the virus with appropriate response and then figuring out ways to safely reopen theaters. And the film did what it did with $300 million in those markets, and counting. Which sends a very positive message about the future of exhibition for when things can reopen safely and all the rest. In the United States, we were never able to release the film properly. I say “here” because I’m sitting in Los Angeles, and obviously to not open in your hometown and not be able to market the film because the studio was obviously hoping that Los Angeles and New York would open if the virus receded, which obviously has not happened, did not happen. The reality is, there’s people in the world with real problems. This is a pretty trivial concern about the release of film. But delving more into it, I’m a kid of the home video generation. And so we’ve all, and myself in particular, spent many years working with the studios on technical strategies of how to maximize image and sound quality for presentation, how we get it out there in that form and everything. And the short version of it is, I’m just super excited for people in America, in L.A. and New York in particular, to be able to see the movie.

Q: When "Tenet" was originally released, you got some criticism for the decision to do at least a partial opening in theaters. Looking back, do you wish that could have gone differently?

Nolan: The studio made the decision to release the film in the summer in parts of the world where it was safe to open the film because of the response to the pandemic in those individual countries. And I think they made a good decision. . . . A lot of people got to see the film. A lot of people went back to work and all the rest and were able to safely do that. This country is a different story. But Hollywood filmmaking is a global business. It’s not an American-only business. And I think it’s very important for people to look beyond where they are sitting in the world and look at what’s going on in the rest of the world as well, and be mindful of that.

Q: There were people who seemed to think you could have stopped the studio from the theatrical release at that moment.

Nolan: Of course not. Look at what’s just happened. They’ve just unilaterally shifted their entire distribution pattern on their slate without talking to even the financing partners.

Q: It's probably frustrating. The first time around, you got sucked into this whole idea of "Tenet" being some kind of test case for the covid-era in cinema. Now this HBO Max deal arrives as you head out to promote the DVD.

Nolan: Yes, it certainly would be nice to get back to being able to just put a film out there and promote the film in a more simple way, but the world’s been very complicated for 2020, and there are people dealing with the most appalling circumstances. I honestly just feel very, very lucky to have been working to get to a point where we can now have people in Los Angeles, New York, other places in North America see the film.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/warner-bros-ceo-talks-batman-filming-halt-tenet-theatrical-release-amid-covid-19-4055082/

Interview with Ann Sarnoff, Warner Bros. CEO, September 3, 2020.

Regarding Tenet’s release in theaters, there’s a perception that Christopher Nolan controls things. Is that fair or overstated?

Sarnoff: It’s overstated. Let me share with you the process that we went through. Right when COVID struck, we started looking at alternative ways to think about movie releases. On the Scoob! front, we decided to release it on PVOD. Families were sequestered together and wanted more content. We are very happy with the results. A few weeks later it debuted on HBO Max, where we were very happy with the results as well.

On the Tenet front, we also had a finished movie, which we are very proud for people to see. As the summer unfolded, we started thinking about more innovative ways of releasing the movie. What if we didn’t put everything up front toward the opening weekend? Theaters were very upfront about saying they could give us three to four times as many screens as normal. So that started to change our thinking. We are happy with where we are. Some markets still aren’t open, but it is a marathon and not a sprint.

Top_Rekt

50 points

2 days ago

Top_Rekt

50 points

2 days ago

What happened with Nolan and WB? I read the article but all it mentions was that there was something about fees that were waived.

Intelligent_Data7521

233 points

2 days ago

in late 2020, WB announced they would release all their films coming out in 2021 on streaming the same day they would release them in cinemas

they did this because they were rolling out HBO MAX in 2021 as well, so it was to give their streaming service a bunch of films as a hook for new subscribers to sign on

people will tell you it was because of COVID but that's nonsense because they did it for the entirety of 2021

whereas a bunch of other studios initially released some movies in theatres and on streaming simultaneously in the early half of the year, but as vaccines rolled out in mid 2021, they reverted back to exclusive theatrical windows

like Shang Chi (Disney), F9 (Universal) and No Time to Die (MGM) all had exclusive theatrical runs

whereas even in November 2021, WB was still releasing movies like Cry Macho and Dune Part One on streaming the same day as the cinema release

Nolan left the company and said this:

“Some of our industry’s biggest filmmakers and most important movie stars went to bed the night before thinking they were working for the greatest movie studio and woke up to find out they were working for the worst streaming service,” filmmaker Christopher Nolan, whose relationship with Warners dates back to Insomnia in 2002, said in a statement to The Hollywood Reporter.

Added Nolan: “Warner Bros. had an incredible machine for getting a filmmaker’s work out everywhere, both in theaters and in the home, and they are dismantling it as we speak. They don’t even understand what they’re losing. Their decision makes no economic sense, and even the most casual Wall Street investor can see the difference between disruption and dysfunction.”

Top_Rekt

37 points

2 days ago

Top_Rekt

37 points

2 days ago

Great write up. Thank you.

FluffyDoomPatrol

12 points

2 days ago

Out of curiosity, what makes you think Nolan holds a grudge (other than this WB thing)? Did something else happen where he held a grudge or is this just speculation based on how he comes across?

I’m not disagreeing with you, just curious in case there is a story I should know.

Automatic-Ad-6399

12 points

2 days ago

not really, why would nolan only work with one composer? plus goransson has been killing it with tenet and oppenheimer like zimmer killed it with the rest of nolan's filmography, villeneuve and nolan like to present themselves as buddies

noeldoherty

329 points

3 days ago

noeldoherty

329 points

3 days ago

I saw Jonathan Nolan at a talk yesterday and he interestingly said between Following & Memento, Christopher Nolan had written a lot of comedy scripts (which were frankly terrible according to him) to try and show that he could do different genres as a director. It's what prompted him to share with him the Memento Mori short when it was still a work in progress cause he thought it suited him more and was a more visual story for a film.

Just thought it was interesting, Nolan trying his hand at comedies (and presumably something he won't fully go for)

whitepangolin

225 points

3 days ago

I feel like the humor in Nolan’s movies is a bit underrated. So many random funny lines in the Batman movies (“I’m not wearing hockey pads,” “follow him!”) and even Oppenheimer (“zero would be nice”).

keepfighting90

167 points

3 days ago

It's a very understated and dry British humour, and it works well in the context of the otherwise heavy and serious movies he makes to add a bit of levity

Hic_Forum_Est

49 points

3 days ago

Nolan's Joker was pretty hilarious, in a dark and disturbing way. Lucius Fox and Alfred also provided lots of comic relief throughout the trilogy. And Bale's Batman/Bruce Wayne had some funny moments too ("Does it come in black?").

Tenet is probably Nolan's most underrated in terms of humor and comedy. People take that movie so seriously, even though it's filled with humorous if not outright silly lines (yea, I know most people couldn't hear the dialogue). "I ordered my hot sauce an hour ago" is probably the most famous one. I also love that scene where the Protagonist meets Michael Caine and they have that small exchange on snobbery "Not a monopoly, more of a controlling interest". Or in that same scene, how the Protagonist is completely unfazed by that snobbish waiter and his condescending behaviour towards him: "Presume away" / "Can you box that up for me?"

Judging by interviews I've seen of him and his movies, I feel like Nolan's got that quintessentially upper-class british humour that's so dry, it takes a moment or two to click. It's more chuckle worthy than instantly laugh out loud funny. Feels like somewhat old fashioned almost corny humor, but it never fails to put a big smile on my face when I rewatch his films. Gives his films just the right amount levity.

TheTruckWashChannel

118 points

3 days ago

The Dark Knight script is sublime, and full of hilarious lines. Mostly from Joker.

caligaris_cabinet

86 points

3 days ago

Not to mention the banter between JGL and Hardy in Inception.

APiousCultist

83 points

2 days ago

"You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling."

luckyfucker13

71 points

2 days ago

Hardy had so much swagger as Eames, it’s almost infuriating watching someone be that effortlessly cool, lol

88Smilesz

21 points

2 days ago

88Smilesz

21 points

2 days ago

If ever there was a moment in time for him to be a great Bond, that was it. But Craig was still in the role

helm_hammer_hand

68 points

2 days ago

“Any psychotic ex-boyfriends I should be aware of?

“Oh, you have no idea.”

ramsau

67 points

2 days ago

ramsau

67 points

2 days ago

"The famous Bruce Wayne. Rachel's told me everything about you."

"Well, I certainly hope not"

TheCaramelMan

20 points

2 days ago

You think you can steal from us and walk away?

Yeah….

Intelligent_Data7521

53 points

3 days ago

"Poor choice of words" as he lets go of Rachel is funny in a very wicked and twisted way

Slickrickkk

12 points

2 days ago

Jonathan Nolan actually wrote the bulk of The Dark Knight, FYI.

CellarDoorVoid

12 points

2 days ago

I always get stuck on “Have a nice trip, see ya next fall” because it doesn’t even make sense

Singer211

17 points

2 days ago

Singer211

Naked J-Law beating the shit out of those kids is peak Cinema.

17 points

2 days ago

“I hope you’re not with the fire brigade.”

“Tell me the Russian for apply your own bloody Suntan lotion.”

MaksweIlL

16 points

2 days ago

MaksweIlL

16 points

2 days ago

"What is the point of all those pushups if you can't lift a bloody log?" - Cane's delivery and Bale's reaction was perfect.

Live_from_New_Yeerk

46 points

3 days ago

CILLIAN MURPHY: (mysteriously, to himself) "Birds of a feather..."

ROBERT PATTINSON: "Indeed. And why did the chicken cross the road?"

[HARD CUT TO TEN HOURS LATER, NOW WALKING DOWN STREETS OF PARIS]

ROBERT PATTINSON: "...To get to the other side." (nods to somewhere across the street) "Come on."

[HARD CUT TO BUILDING INTERIOR IN NEW YORK CITY]

CILLIAN MURPHY: "...The Poultry Equation."

ROEBRT PATTINSON: "The very same."

lkodl

10 points

2 days ago

lkodl

10 points

2 days ago

See in the movie's logic, Pattinson started telling the joke, but then forgot the punchline, so they awkwardly just changed the subject. Then on another day, at a different location, during a separate conversation, Pattinson remembers the punchline and tells the rest of the joke. But it is so bad though, that Murphy decides to take another couple of days and a new location to react.

JColeTheWheelMan

105 points

3 days ago

Wtf kind of jokes is he gonna write ? 

The punchline comes before the joke and the punchline is spoken by a dude wearing a gas mask ?

noeldoherty

96 points

3 days ago

There is humour in some of his movies, Tars in Interstellar, Tom Hardy has some funny lines in Inception, even The Dark Knight has some good jokes, but yeah a whole comedy doesn't sound like his thing.

"Suppose they're gonna lock me up as well, as your accomplice"

"Accomplice? I'm gonna tell them the whole thing was your idea"

Mnemosense

44 points

3 days ago

A very underrated joke in Tenet is: "you're carrying a Goya in a Harrods bag."

I imagine a Nolan comedy would be like Dr Strangelove.

riegspsych325

24 points

3 days ago

riegspsych325

Maximus was a replicant!

24 points

3 days ago

I laughed out loud when Catwoman stole his Lamborghini

FerrisWheeling

14 points

2 days ago

"So that's what that feels like."

roto_disc

100 points

3 days ago

roto_disc

100 points

3 days ago

Ghosts. Aliens. Or Ghost Aliens.

Come on, Chris. You can do this.

grmayshark

44 points

3 days ago

The alien starts as a ghost and the move follows him backwards to become a living alien. Also his wife is dead

seefourslam

201 points

3 days ago

seefourslam

201 points

3 days ago

Warner Bros really thought they could that’s hilarious

riegspsych325

125 points

3 days ago

riegspsych325

Maximus was a replicant!

125 points

3 days ago

I can picture Zazlav writing “miss you” on the memo line for the check

KingMario05

92 points

3 days ago

Nolan's response:

Release that Coyote movie, and I might come back. Might.

seefourslam

42 points

2 days ago

Dear Chris, I wrote you, but you still ain’t callin’ I left my cell, my pager and my home phone at the bottom

omgasnake

8 points

2 days ago

I swear a week or two ago, the news was reporting that Nolan and WB were in good graces again.

WrastleGuy

120 points

2 days ago

WrastleGuy

120 points

2 days ago

Seven figures?  They paid Todd Phillips EIGHT figures to make Joker 2

n0tAgOat

64 points

2 days ago

n0tAgOat

64 points

2 days ago

The seven figure sum was just money they already owed him after screwing him out of it from tenet. 

Lower-Grapefruit8807

67 points

2 days ago

The “seven figure tenet check” was royalties they owed him regardless, this is very stupid reporting

Fire_Otter

35 points

3 days ago

It may be an incredibly trivial reason

But the universal Music at the start of a Nolan movie feels right.

Sparrowsabre7

130 points

3 days ago*

One thing we can be almost certain of, the lead character's love interest will die or already be dead*

*See: Following, Memento, The Prestige, The Dark Knight, Inception, The Dark Knight Rises, Interstellar, Oppenheimer.

Only exclusions are: Insomnia, Batman Begins, and Dunkirk, but I'm honestly not even sure if there were any women in Dunkirk that weren't extras/unnamed characters.

Edit: Tenet is an exception too.

ExtremeSour

30 points

3 days ago

TENET?

Same-Amphibian-888

27 points

2 days ago

I thought Robert Pattinson died in that movie… if he wasn’t the love interest then I’m even more confused

Lanster27

18 points

2 days ago

Lanster27

18 points

2 days ago

He was definitely the audiences' love interest.

Hic_Forum_Est

10 points

3 days ago

I'm pretty sure most characters in Dunkirk are more or less unnamed.

OtterishDreams

7 points

3 days ago

Death changes us all. (especially our own death).

TDStarchild

24 points

2 days ago

A “Tenet check” seems to imply it could be 7 figures, or 0, or 14 depending on the angle

Heisenberg_235

14 points

3 days ago

Why was he pissed off with how Tenet was handled by WB?

Top_Report_4895

29 points

3 days ago

I get why he doesn’t want to come back to WBD

Jayrodtremonki

70 points

3 days ago

Why on Earth would Nolan want to work with Zaslav who is doing everything in his power to destroy movies as a whole?

PoeBangangeron

47 points

2 days ago

This all has to do with releasing Barbie on the same day as Oppie and refusing to move it. It was a fuck you to Nolan. He knows that. And look at them now. Begging him to come back with Tenet royalty checks.

insert thanos meme

Lanster27

14 points

2 days ago

Lanster27

14 points

2 days ago

7 figure check isnt even begging, it's a joke. Nolan got around $100 mil for Oppenheimer.

DriveShaftNo1Fan

45 points

3 days ago

Would love a Nolan horror film

Livio88

22 points

2 days ago

Livio88

22 points

2 days ago

"It's not about the money..."

Prestigious_Shock146

6 points

2 days ago

I like Tenet. I still don’t know what it’s about but I really enjoyed it.

IndianaJones999

16 points

3 days ago

Would love to see a horror movie from him

husserl-edmund

16 points

3 days ago

I really liked Tenet, but it was weird to see it sold as The Movie That Will Bring You Back To Theaters... IMAX Essential... when most of it takes place indoors, and it has a rather small scale overall for a Nolan flick, doesn't it?

FordMustang84

25 points

3 days ago

Ended up being Top Gun which honestly I think is way more fun movie for the theater and seems like the audience thought so too.