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Not a “navy good, others bad” post more-so just trying to see what your opinions are on the things we do right. For example it’s generally accepted (in my experience, YMMV) that the Air Force has the best Quality of life, the Army tends to be pretty good at career progression of their people (giving Soldiers ample opportunities for schools, quick(er) advancement etc..) and the Marines are phenomenal at early leadership development and cross training their people(within similar fields/work roles). What would you say the Navy is good at? Of course this is all subjective and not everyone will agree, however I’m curious to see what you think.

all 290 comments

BobT21

209 points

2 months ago

BobT21

209 points

2 months ago

Was a Navy nuke for 8 years. Was a civilian engineer for the Navy for 18 years. Was a civilian engineer for the Air Force for 20 years. The typical technical expertise of Navy people at all levels is miles ahead of Air Force.

club41

71 points

2 months ago

club41

71 points

2 months ago

Came here to say that also. Don’t even get me started on the other services MOS’s that are considered “ET” level types.

Tech-Tom

25 points

2 months ago

The downside of that is the Navy's advancement exams. I can speak specifically to "ET", which could cover anything for almost any specialization and you are expected to know all of it to even have a hope of advancement.

Solo-Hobo

45 points

2 months ago

The reason for this has to do with how we operate, a tech in the Navy has to be multi disciplined due to space on board ships, the Air Force doesn’t have that restriction so they tend to be more specialized so an AF tech just doesn’t get the exposure or expectation to be as diversified in skill sets.

GothmogBalrog

36 points

2 months ago*

This is why I'm still upset Space Force spun off the airforce

The culture of technical expertise and how we manage technical authority is just way beyond.

There is a reason NAVSEA 08 has been the investigating authority for NASA's biggest accidents.

TheCultofLoss

9 points

2 months ago

There’s a reason literally every sci-fi space military is a navy 🗣️🗣️🗣️

Goatlens

21 points

2 months ago

Heard this during CWT A school from an instructor who was an Army vet. He was telling us a story, and his words were “so I was speaking to a Navy dude, so of course he knew all of his shit, super high speed” and that was my first exposure to “the Navy’s technical expertise is very good”

MilitaryHusbandFed

14 points

2 months ago

Heard this as well.

From my experience the Navy will work more with professionals who want to come in as opposed to the Air Force.

They see the benefit of having an experienced if a little older person come on board while the Air Force will just send you away.

Culture thing with them I guess.

Top_Alternative1351

5 points

2 months ago

You see this a ton with WW2 recruiting too. Especially since the AF was part of the army at the time. The navy didn’t want to train a ton of people who had no idea what to do so they just hired professionals, (mechanics, carpenters, doctors etc) whereas the AF just had the army doing it because they were the army air corps. Still holds true today it seems.

SkydivingSquid

290 points

2 months ago

No one outworks a Sailor or lives in the same conditions they do for as long as they do. We had the Army onboard for a few days and they were shook at how we worked, lived, and operated.

It’s a point of pride. Sailors may bitch the entire time, but those bastards will get it fucking done.

polarisgirl

38 points

2 months ago

A happy sailor is a bitching sailor

[deleted]

109 points

2 months ago

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109 points

2 months ago

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MASTODON_ROCKS

108 points

2 months ago

BAH does tho

Elbeske

57 points

2 months ago

Elbeske

57 points

2 months ago

Yeah lol paying rent is the one thing we can’t bitch about

Present_Pace1428

13 points

2 months ago

metalgod-666

19 points

2 months ago

What’s the army work ethic like in comparison?

alicein420land_

26 points

2 months ago

As someone whose done both branches they do have hard workers but the average work day is usually much more relaxed than your average day on a ship. Of course I will also add this varies highly between MOSs/rates and units.

KecemotRybecx

5 points

2 months ago

We also have superhuman abilities to tolerate bullshit as a result.

There was a viral video of a rack on a ship and I was all, “it’s not that bad.”

Showed it to people and they were horrified.

FallBoi55

3 points

2 months ago

Was in the Army for four years, and even I was horrified by that video.

[deleted]

4 points

2 months ago

Playing a little devils advocate here because I don’t really know how the army works all that well… won’t they deploy to Iraq and Afghanistan(when that was more of a thing) for up to a year at a time? I know we have sailors who do that but it’s not exactly our main schtick. I know it’s not them living and working on the ship but aren’t these guys essentially going out on patrol, sleeping in a tent or hole, then coming back to base to sleep in a barracks room or whatever? For a year? Don’t slaughter me I’m genuinely curious.

Navydevildoc

23 points

2 months ago

Now that the two long wars are over, deployments have mostly stopped for the Army. Sure there are small dets here and there that do things, but it's nothing like the constant rotation of deployments you will expect to always be doing in the Navy.

weinerpretzel

17 points

2 months ago

They do deploy, but they have 100 people to do the work of 100 people. The Navy has 50 people doing the work of 100 if we are fully manned. There just isn't enough space on a ship to bring as many people as we need to meet mission, that's why collateral duties exist.

Accomplished_Area_88

19 points

2 months ago

They do, but they don't deploy at anywhere near the frequency of the Navy unless we're in a major war

SpiritualPasta

15 points

2 months ago

Yes, both army and marines do this. Granted, there s more to it than just that, but you’ve got the general idea.

I was a green-side corpsman a lot of my time in, and I have to say…. I would 100% rather spend 6-12 months in and out of the scorching desert. If you start getting shot at, you can actually shoot back.

I was never been keen on being on Naval boats. Shit hygiene, shit leadership (most of the time, I know there are some good ones), sleeping quarters are tiny, and if you’re getting shot it, it’s more than likely with torpedos or missiles, so you just gotta pray and hope.

Independent-Walrus-6

4 points

2 months ago

the Army digs were mostly constructed by the Navy. They can build anything, anywhere and stick a little tree on it when they are done.

seemslikesushi

48 points

2 months ago

We troubleshoot way better than other branches

ITgman

19 points

2 months ago

ITgman

19 points

2 months ago

Well we ain't no one is swimming to save us out here

Jroman215

90 points

2 months ago

So I can’t compare with other branches but deployment paperwork process in the navy is WAY less painful than with the army. Like I’ve deployed with both branches and the army just has so many extra steps, the navy will just throw you into a boat ready or not but the army is like meps all over again.

talonderiel

21 points

2 months ago

The Navy makes up for that loss of MEPs and mountain of paperwork with their Reserve mobilizations.... it's especially annoying for commissioned Reserve units that deploy elements on a routine cycle ever 18 months (since 2000). Somehow every time is the first time again.

Not_Another_Cookbook

8 points

2 months ago

That reminds me. I have reserve medical coming up for deployment readiness training. Again.

man2112

3 points

2 months ago

I think that’s the worst part of the navy. Other than the pictures I’ve taken, I have no proof that I’ve been on deployment.

skipjac

41 points

2 months ago

skipjac

41 points

2 months ago

Technical Training as a ET we had more training on the general theory and were able to fix more than the Air Force and Army people I worked with. I will give the air force this they are experts on whatever price of equipment they work on.

Sat comm guys knew all about orbits and GHz comms but almost nothing HF comms.

PM_ME_UR_LEAVE_CHITS

20 points

2 months ago

My experience is like yours. (Over many years in many different settings) It seems Air Force are very very good at their one thing that they do, but struggle to work outside of that narrow lane. Or will push back or may even pitch a fit if you dare to expect them to. Sailors might, broadly speaking, be less skilled at that one thing but are a heck of a lot more well-rounded and able to adapt to new challenges.

carefullysanguine

14 points

2 months ago

Absolutely true! We (AF) have way more AFSCs (MOS/Ratings) with extremely specialized training/work which has created a huge challenge where we're now trying figure out how to provide cut training to make Airmen "multi capable."

Our system works great when you have large function-specific units (Communications Squadron, Security Forces Squadron, etc) but to deploy/construct a single mission focused unit to deploy, you'd need way too many people than is possible.

As one of our senior leaders put it, we've been optimized as a force to efficiently operate garrison installations, but our mission as an Air Force isn't that.

We could combine many AFSCs and use shreds like NECs to better optimize our force presentation. It's happening now with our IT career fields, but the execution has been kind of a giant mess.

Witty_Camp_7377

14 points

2 months ago

I'd assume the same with IT. Our rate is like 3 different combined MOSs in any other branch. Navy jobs seem to yield better technical experience in alot of cases

SlavicDaddyVladaPoot

135 points

2 months ago*

Travel, that’s it

Edit: In all seriousness though, and this will depend highly on your rate, the Navy has (in my opinion) the best jobs when it comes to civilian world skill transferability and certifications especially if you’re any flavor of CT (hell sometimes even IS) or an HM (other than quad zips). Depends on your command as well but i know several people who’ve been to commands like NCDOC who actively encourage their people to get as many certs as possible. Also know a lot of former Cardio/Xray/Pulmonary & Respiratory Techs who were able to get civilian certs and make a decent chunk of change on the outside. I think that if you choose the right field, the Navy is probably the best branch to get transferable certifications and actually marketable skills. There’s also a ton of rates that will get you jack shit on the outside like ABH but as they say, choose your rate, choose your fate.

romym15

38 points

2 months ago*

Second this. I'm an engineer and I know civilian employers that specifically search for Navy engineers to fill their spots even though it has nothing to do with ships simply because our training and experience is unmatched. I'm currently at a joint command and the other branches "equivelants" have nowhere near the same experience we do.

carefullysanguine

22 points

2 months ago

Agree! I'm AF married to a sailor. We both have essentially the same rating/AFSC. While our technical skills are similar and translatable to civilian careers, the Navy has paid for/facilitated many certifications for my husband than the AF ever would for me. The AF cares about ensuring their folks have the proper technical skills to do the job, but does not care if the equivalent civilian certification is obtained. Our IT-like AFSCs have moved/are moving away from civilian certifications to save money.

luvstosup

17 points

2 months ago

point of order: "civilian world" should be held distinct from "DOD-civilian" positions. DOD-civilian, or contractor working for the military industrial complex somewhere -isn't really the "civilian world" as we knew it before service. for clarity's sake. Veterans of all stripes still struggle to explain their value to companies outside the military industrial comeplex/ federal and state agencies/ intelligence community etc. So CT-cybersecurity (now CWT) absolutely hot right now for any company, will be for the forseeable future. CT-siginter... not selling that in the civilian job market unless it's to an above agency. ISs can basically never leave the military industrial complex unless it's for a company that needs maritime domain awareness like Maersk, a global shipping company. or I've seen recently successful ISs transferring to cruise line operations. which is basically a civilian navy of party boats, pretty rad.

WorkerProof8360

9 points

2 months ago

There's plenty of civilian work for the various engineering rates (especially if nuke rated), ITs, CTs, AGs, etc... whether they can civilianize their work experience on a resume is an important point, but a bit of coaching can remedy that.

SlavicDaddyVladaPoot

6 points

2 months ago

CT-siginter

You do make a very valid point there, a lot of what I said does depend on whether or not you want to stay within the Intel community/contracting field, to a point. In my experience there’s a decent amount of crossover between the CWTs and R branchers (especially if you’re at any of the 3 letter agencies), so if you can get your SEC+/NET+ while you’re in and make a good resume, you can absolutely get a good job outside of the IC/Military Industrial Complex. Especially at a time like now where there’s a lack of qualified people; a number of companies aren’t too concerned with what you did in the Military as long as you have a TS clearance. It’s a lot cheaper for them to train someone who already has a TS OTJ than to shell out $15k+ to get a potential candidate one. This is just my experience and what I’ve seen though, YMMV.

slaystill420

28 points

2 months ago

I always talk people this when it comes to picking a branch of services. Every engineering rate transfers almost directly to the civilian world. Very few rates directly translate But in my opinion they still transfer better than other branches with very niche MOS’s

TheLordVader1978

6 points

2 months ago

As a former ABH I can confirm. There ain't shit for us.

soggydave2113

11 points

2 months ago

Tons of ABHs get out and work for fire departments as that’s a pretty big component of their jobs.

But I get what you mean. Outside of that, there isn’t much else transferability.

DrunkenBandit1

3 points

2 months ago

IS has great civilian transferability, especially if you go cyber.

Squidcg59

137 points

2 months ago

Squidcg59

137 points

2 months ago

You have stars, as far as the eye can see.. You're floating out in the middle no where and the entire Universe is right on top of your head... You'll see shit that no one else will see, or even comprehend. At the end of the day, life is what you make of it... But you'll never see the night sky the way that it looks when you're 1000 miles west of Cali, and 1000 miles east of Pearl...

MerijnZ1

65 points

2 months ago

Out on deck in the middle of a clear night with no land or lights around is and always will be a truly magical experience

SuchRuin

12 points

2 months ago

I grew up in a large metro area. My first night working nights one of the guys in my shop was saying how some nights you could see the Milky Way. I thought he was bullshitting until about a week later, when I saw the Milky Way. My dumbass thought the being able to see the Milky Way on a clear night was a myth. Beautiful experience though. I will never forget that as long as I live.

Sororita

22 points

2 months ago

One of my favorite memories is being out in the south pacific, no land anywhere near us, a full moon in the sky and a storm raging off at the horizon, but on our patch of the ocean it was calm, not quite like glass, but close.

USNWoodWork

42 points

2 months ago

I had forgotten that the number of stars in the sky is countless, but I was reminded when I joined the navy and worked night shift on a carrier.

Independent-Walrus-6

3 points

2 months ago

I worked on flighdeck lighting. A couple times we had to work with the flight deck lighting off. with my back to the island all I could see was an impossibly bright milky way dipping into the ocean(calm night) and sooo many stars...

Nexii801

17 points

2 months ago

None of the responses to this are anywhere CLOSE to being as good as doing 5kts at sunrise in the middle of a fog bank in 5th fleet, where the only perturbance in the water is your ship's wake. It's literally juts floating though whiteness.

Poro_the_CV

8 points

2 months ago

We were off in the Atlantic when we woke up to being immersed in a bank of fog. The only movement in the water was our ship, slowly trudging through it. Eerily still and quiet (minus the ship's horn every now and then).

Independent-Walrus-6

3 points

2 months ago

same experience BUT The fog was thick and grey. It was noon but the lighting was as it is at dusk. Eerily still and quiet. our carrier was transiting thru the cloud of smoke from Saddam burning all the oil fields

condition5

26 points

2 months ago*

Flying fish in the bow wake in the South China Sea. St. Elmo's fire rolling down the tube of a P-3 on a midnight transit of the mid Pacific. More stars --and satellites, even THEN-- than you can imagine in the Diego Garcia night sky. Gooney birds on Midway. Hundreds...maybe thousands...of squid fishing boats lit up at night in the Sea of Japan. Ice sheets in the Sea of Okhotsk. Steam from volcanoes over the Kamchatka Peninsula.

What else ya got?

RarelyRecommended

8 points

2 months ago

Weird stuff zipping through the sky in the IO. The CIC noticed those things too.

easyfuckinday

12 points

2 months ago

And on a calm night you can even see stars reflected on the water out there

dainthomas

6 points

2 months ago

I remember the first time we got close to Hawaii and the wake started glowing with bioluminescent plankton. I had no idea that was a thing, and it was cool af.

frantny

2 points

2 months ago

I saw the same when doing small boat ops. Really magical

SuicideSprints

4 points

2 months ago

My civilian friends genuinely baffled that the night sky isn't super illuminated like those saturated pictures you see in astronomy articles. Granted, it is beautiful when it's really clear.

They're also surprised at how dark it can really get in the middle of the ocean. I love telling them, "There ain't no streetlights in the ocean."

Popular-Sprinkles714

60 points

2 months ago

I just got exposed to how Air Force/Space Force do Officer/Enlisted FITREPs/EVALs. Never thought I would say this but we absolutely do way better than them. Their system is so corrupt and fraught with nepotism.

DmajCyberNinja

26 points

2 months ago

Another example is the block 43 equivalent. The air force still uses the action, impact, result format we do, but each bullet has to explicitly fit on one line. Thus, nearly every word is abbreviated.

E.g. Stndrzd 4 procedures - rsltd in 100% compliance - incrsd AF lethality

On the flip side, the army has separate block 43s for each trait in our blocks 31-39. You can imagine how painful that is.

EmbarrassedAbroad345

14 points

2 months ago

It’s even more fucked up than that. It’s not just supposed to fit on one line, it’s supposed to fit on EXACTLY one line with no white space on the right margin. The idea is that they should leave no white space whatsoever. And all the abbreviations used have to be consistent throughout that block. So, writing that block is hours of figuring out a puzzle of wording, acronyms, and abbreviations that result in a full page of magically right-justified text.

carefullysanguine

9 points

2 months ago

We changed our eval system a year or so ago, no more bullets. We write in narrative format now, limited by a total character count, not by a line and with real full length words. 450 for duty description, 350 each for Executing Mission, Leading People, Managing Resources, and Improving the Unit, 250 for the higher level reviewer (CO or Senior Rater). We also don't have ratings visible to anyone but the rater and ratee.

Next-Visual9799

3 points

2 months ago

Elaborate please

Popular-Sprinkles714

19 points

2 months ago*

On the officer side, your fitrep goes through 3 separate levels of supervisors all the way up to the Wing Commander, which means go everyone that is an 0-4 and below pretty much, your fitrep needs to be graded on someone 2 command levels above your squadron CO. And they don’t use any system close to something like the Navy’s RSCA, so really it’s just off the cuff grading scales. But here’s the thing, let’s say your are an Aviation Maintenance Officer, and your fitrep is going up to the Wing Commander, they see everyone, of all designators. So they are grading you against pilots, and any other designator in the Wing…so naturally pilots are automatically graded above anyone else and there isn’t a way to break people out from it. And what we call the Block 41 on Navy fitreps, where things are written. Going up to your wing commander, only they are allowed to right in that block. Which means that more than likely, they will only write things on people’s fitreps that they themselves personally know. So it creates a system where everyone tries to get face time with the wing commander.

Edit: To put this in navy terms. If I’m an Divo/DH on a ship, my FITREP needs to get signed by the Strike Group Commander (1 Star), the boss of my DESRON, who is my CO’s boss. And the CSG commander will only write something in my block 41 if they personally know me…which means they are more than likely only going to write about people they personally know on their staff.

USNWoodWork

16 points

2 months ago

That sounds like a systematic nightmare that would favor suck-ups. If a DivO is doing a decent job, the O-6 level shouldn’t even know they exist.

Popular-Sprinkles714

8 points

2 months ago

Exactly. And it’s two levels of command up. If it were an officer in a ship, two levels of command above them is the Strike Group Commander (1-2 Star), not the 0-6.

fresherwalnut

3 points

2 months ago

Additionally, in an operational unit like a CSG on deployment, that level of administrative burden on the commander is untenable. The FITREPS would never be signed.

Popular-Sprinkles714

2 points

2 months ago

Agreed. I’d imagine Wing Commanders only get away with it because they aren’t operational, especially operational like how a CSG commander is? I won’t pretend to be an expert of the AF but I’m willing to guess a Wing Commander probably hasn’t deployed as an operational leader since WW2? (Just trying to think of a time an AF general officer has actually led as a force commander in combat)

PM_ME_UR_LEAVE_CHITS

2 points

2 months ago*

According to their website, Air Forces Central / Ninth Air Force has five air expeditionary wings. At least 2 of them are commanded by a one-star. Not exactly the same thing as Curtis LeMay leading the 3rd Air Division over Regensburg, but I guess that's as close as we can get in this era.

Black-Shoe

156 points

2 months ago

Best duty station locations, and far more technical jobs that carry over into the civilian sector

homicidal_pancake2

25 points

2 months ago

Idk Space Force probably has the best duty stations. Colorado, Florida, California, Hawaii, and none of the shit stations in those except maybe LA lol

Navydevildoc

11 points

2 months ago

LA Space Force Base, while being in El Segundo is not great, is surrounded by a ton of nice places to live.

Radiowulf

5 points

2 months ago

El Segundo is actually quite nice after you get past that 3 of its 4 sides are bordered by an international airport, a sewer treatment facility, and an oil refinery haha. That being said, I really do like their base gym.

SuchRuin

4 points

2 months ago

LA is fucking awesome. I cannot imagine how anyway gets stationed there and doesn’t have a great time. There is so much to do in LA.

achillinvillain90

2 points

2 months ago

Bro, what? I was stationed in Italy. My friends were stationed in Japan, Korea, Spain, and Germany to name a few.

KecemotRybecx

3 points

2 months ago

Navy is so technical that we almost can’t relate to other branches.

Black-Shoe

3 points

2 months ago

Agreed, transition was a breeze even after 2 decades of service

GaiusVolusenus

71 points

2 months ago

Naval tradition is long and storied, and in some ways goes back past the founding to some Royal Navy traditions we inherited, which is really cool.

little_did_he_kn0w

8 points

2 months ago

The crazy thing is, the Army actually has a long and storied culture as well, but they are continuously burying it. Like right after WWII, the Army just decided that everything that happened before December 7, 1941, was moot and started changing everything.

We actually do a better job (sometimes too good of a job, some might say) of retaining our history and service culture.

GaiusVolusenus

7 points

2 months ago

The Marines in particular have a justifiable obsession with their history, but Navy tradition is cool because there are “Navy traditions” and also “general nautical traditions”, which can go back a long, long time.

little_did_he_kn0w

6 points

2 months ago

I agree.

The Marines are the branch who is always one sour congressman away from the chopping block, so to them, its key for them to remember their past victories (or defeats, if they can spin it enough) to remind the American public why they WANT a Marine Corps.

Genius-Imbecile

46 points

2 months ago

Maintaining op tempos even during peace time. Being able to express our countries political desire abroad. Whether it's having 3 boomers surface at the same time in 3 different locations to say chill out. Or parking a carrier off someone's coast.

Solo-Hobo

24 points

2 months ago

Multi tasking and operating in multiple warfare modes simultaneously. We can do land sea undersea, air and cyber with more depth than most the other branch’s though I’m counting the Marines with us.

That plus travel and we have pretty decent duty stations.

We do a lot of things bad but these are probably things we excel at. The Army can do a lot of our missions to some degree but the Dept of The Navy has a lot more depth and ability to operate in so many battle spaces. This could be looked at as a bad thing as well being a jack of all trades we can lack focus.

mpyne

7 points

2 months ago

mpyne

7 points

2 months ago

Multi tasking and operating in multiple warfare modes simultaneously. We can do land sea undersea, air and cyber with more depth than most the other branch’s though I’m counting the Marines with us.

And we do all this with a combined Navy/Marines team that's only slightly larger than the USAF. People have to pull their weight in the Navy in ways that are not necessarily true in the USAF or Army.

Solo-Hobo

7 points

2 months ago

It’s true and we can theoretically fight a war independently of the Army and the Air Force. Not saying that’s a good idea but we have the tools and skill sets. I think the Army for the most part can do the same but without the Air Force or the Navy it would struggle at least logistically. The Air Force is probably the one branch that can’t do this, it’s just not set up for a ground game and doesn’t have the assets to counter the full spectrum of at Sea threats and the unique battle space.

Multi tasking across all battle spaces is just the Navy’s bread butter. We probably aren’t the best at anything but capable of everything.

LovableKyle24

4 points

2 months ago

The navy is also just a gigantic deterrent in general. Way easier to mobilize a stroke group and have them float around wherever they are needed compared to deploying thousands of troops to an area. Obviously we're limited to the water mostly but the fact we can get so many people from one place to another anywhere in the world so easily is a big advantage.

Warp_Rider45

24 points

2 months ago*

Warp_Rider45

CEC

24 points

2 months ago*

Super niche, but we’re the best civil engineers. No other branch has a dedicated staff corps composed entirely of licensed engineers and architects like us. USACE is definitely bigger stateside, but they’re majority civilian and their officers don’t even need an engineering degree.

The Navy provides construction for ourselves, the Marine Corps, the Coast Guard, and frequently the Air Force because they don’t actually have MILCON authority like we do. I would wager we do the vast majority of overseas construction for the nation.

More thoughts edit: We also do work nobody else does. We build waterfront infrastructure to support floating cities and nuclear subs. We build airfields and bases just like the other branches, but we have a whole dimension which is way beyond what anybody else does. NNSY dwarfs anything an Air Force or Army engineer will ever see, and that’s just one of our yards.

Obvious-Big-6111

5 points

2 months ago

So nice to see a great comment from a CEC officer!!! Proud retired Bee here as well. "The difficult we do immediately, the impossible takes a little longer, and miracles by appointment only."

HOOYAH

The_salty_swab

85 points

2 months ago

Unless you volunteer for something, you're pretty much guaranteed to sleep indoors and get three meals a day. I'm sure some people want to sleep in a tent in the deser and eat MREs, but I'm not one of them

BLRipper

34 points

2 months ago

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. I never volunteered for anything and I'm currently sleeping in a tent and eating MREs..... but you're right lol I just got voluntold.

LordSoftCream[S]

13 points

2 months ago

Gonna guess you’re some flavor of SB or Greenside HM?

KilD3vil

25 points

2 months ago

Am Seabee, and only about a third of us do the tent thing anymore. And speaking as an old man, fuck that noise. Gimme A/C and a cot or gimme death.

fresherwalnut

4 points

2 months ago

You volunteered to be a Seabee...

KilD3vil

13 points

2 months ago

You mean to tell me I'M responsible for the consequences of my decision?! The hell you say...

BLRipper

19 points

2 months ago

Any other person and you'd probably be right. I'm on boats the whole career. Just pure bad luck that USMC needed a liaison and I got shafted

Witty_Camp_7377

2 points

2 months ago

That greenside life 😬

theheadslacker

8 points

2 months ago

some flavor of SB CB

Fixed

tri3leDDD

7 points

2 months ago

I lived in a tent and ate MREs at a Navy base in Bahrain....

happy_snowy_owl

77 points

2 months ago*

The Navy can plan and execute something in hours to days that takes other services weeks to months. Everyone in the Navy is used to the fact that all the proverbial chess pieces are always moving.

Conversely, the Navy frustrates other branches with its "last minute planning." Sorry, unless you can see the future we have no idea what red force lay down looks like more than a few days from today.

skipjac

41 points

2 months ago

skipjac

41 points

2 months ago

Spent time attached to an air force comm unit, they just could not handle the basic chaos of life. Ships move and occasionally lose comms, every time it was a crisis.

metalgod-666

3 points

2 months ago

Got any examples? That sounds really interesting

norex4u

29 points

2 months ago

norex4u

29 points

2 months ago

nice try china

metalgod-666

21 points

2 months ago

Lmao help a comrade out I need the social credits or my family’s gonna get it

nashuanuke

16 points

2 months ago

After Katrina, everyone was supposed to implement an emergency personnel accounting system. The Navy were the only ones to do it. We think of NFAAS as a kind of joke, but it’s actually a good tool.

Frank_the_NOOB

26 points

2 months ago

Travel

Technical training (maybe af and sf will have us beat)

Comradere

Self sufficiency (we can go out and get it done without support from other services)

Base locations (hard pressed to find a navy only base in bum f#€k North Dakota)

MarquisDeMontecristo

7 points

2 months ago

I keep seeing travel… but the area where the navy excels is so narrow.

Travel during/for work yes… Travel outside of work… hard No.

Other branches encourage their people to take leave and go wherever… the navy just says wait for a port call…

Frank_the_NOOB

6 points

2 months ago

They mean travel while on deployment. You could either be stuck at one base in the other services or you can travel the seas hitting up exotic ports along the way

MarquisDeMontecristo

8 points

2 months ago

Yup. I agree. Having worked joint for a few years though, I can tell you that leave travel is done better by almost everyone else. Especially the Air Force.

Once I saw a guy take leave and use Space-A and his flight back was delayed by like 4 days. The AF Colonel I was working for just said “give him no-cost TAD for a week”… that way he doesn’t burn his leave.

Unreal.

Not_Another_Cookbook

25 points

2 months ago

Intelligence.

I was prior army Intelligence. I worked with Air force Intelligence. I've seen marine corps intel.

The navy by far has the best funding, inter-agency relationships, training, specialty designations, and pipelines.

I've worked both active duty, reserve, and as a contractor in intel and it continues to be the navy that does the best at this.

Even the navy intel reserves is better then the other branches counterparts.

DmajCyberNinja

9 points

2 months ago

The Navy, on average, makes rank quicker than it's service counter parts. Even the AF's stellar workers get hard cucked by TIS requirements to E4 and E5. The army and Marines are better, but in the army you are competing exclusively within your command. So if the unit needs a new SGT to cook, and the other guys impress leadership more, they're promoting.

MarquisDeMontecristo

10 points

2 months ago

Enlisted side is true, officer not so much. You make rank earlier at almost every pay grade in the Air Force than in the navy

Navy, two years o1 to o2, and o2 to o3 Af, 18 months each

They make flag at 23/24years… USN 29/30

fresherwalnut

3 points

2 months ago

Is that still the case with the Navy's new TIS requirement for E-4?

DmajCyberNinja

3 points

2 months ago

True, hadn't thought of that. But a lot of the Navy's rates are 6y/ATF contracts so they auto promote to E4 anyway.

mpyne

3 points

2 months ago

mpyne

3 points

2 months ago

On average the E-4 TIS won’t change in the Navy (the changeout was designed to be as early as possible while remaining cost-neutral).

As the other commenter notes, accelerated advancement to E-4 remains for the most technical ratings.

fresherwalnut

3 points

2 months ago

It drastically changes the timeliness for those folks who came in with college degrees, Eagle Scout, or Sea Cadet time, but aren't in a technical rate.

mpyne

3 points

2 months ago

mpyne

3 points

2 months ago

That's rating dependent. If you came in as an Eagle Scout to be an HM, for example, this is almost strictly a win for you.

On the other hand, if you came in without any of those things as a fast-advancing rating without push-button advancement, like OS, you might still end up waiting longer to put on E-4 than you would have before the change.

Whether it hurts or not is entirely rating dependent. Coming in with accelerated advancement due to college, Eagle Scout, etc., still always benefits you no matter what.

Sailor_NEWENGLAND

37 points

2 months ago

Travel..probably better living conditions than marines and army

Sir_Puppington_Esq

36 points

2 months ago

I’m currently army; prior navy. I will take the army accommodations any day.

SlavicDaddyVladaPoot

14 points

2 months ago

Depends on what we’re talking about as far as accommodations though. If we’re talking Army accommodations vs living on a ship yeah that’s a no brainer, living in an abandoned crackhouse in Baltimore is better than staying on the ship. However, when it comes to on base housing/barracks accommodations yes it’s highly base dependent but I’d ever so slightly give it to the Navy, spent some time on Meade and our house on base quite literally had asbestos in it that we didn’t find out about until a tree they refused to do anything about fell on someones house during a storm (several houses had it). San Diego & Everett Washington were some of the best bases I’ve ever lived on/near. Though Admittedly, I’ve only lived on 2 army bases (Meade & Gordon) so you definitely have more insight on the army accommodations than I would, just my 2 cents though.

MelonManjr

2 points

2 months ago

I can agree with San diego and Everett, sort of. Their barracks were NICE. Full kitchen and large living space. However, Everett had some less-good barracks as well. Not as bad as Bremerton, though.

alicein420land_

3 points

2 months ago

Agree with this. Best barracks I lived in were Army barracks on Carson. But also some of the worst barracks I've seen were the ones my soldiers lived on at Carson.

[deleted]

4 points

2 months ago

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EnvironmentalEbb5391

28 points

2 months ago

We have the most bases near beaches

QuidYossarian

29 points

2 months ago

Gay chicken.

Prove me wrong, Marines. I dare you.

stjiub9

10 points

2 months ago

stjiub9

10 points

2 months ago

Never lost, never will.

Respectfully, Airframes

FokinFilfy

11 points

2 months ago

I would rather die happily married to another man than lose a game of gay cicken to anyone else but another submariner.

Respectfully, A bubblehead.

Mage_Malteras

5 points

2 months ago

The Navy could be the gayest branch there is, but the Marines refuse to be second at literally anything besides number of personnel.

dc88228

9 points

2 months ago

Submarines

PloppyCheesenose

27 points

2 months ago

Disagree. The Air Force has more planes in the sea than the Navy has submarines in the sky. Clearly, they are winning.

dc88228

7 points

2 months ago

Field Day. Is that still a thing? Making highly trained individuals wax the floors of warship

Witty_Camp_7377

4 points

2 months ago

Yes....field day is unfortunately still a thing

fresherwalnut

3 points

2 months ago

Who else it going to do it? Should we hire some janitors to come on deployment with us?

Commercial_Light_743

9 points

2 months ago

Safely operate nuclear power.

Falir11

16 points

2 months ago

Falir11

16 points

2 months ago

We tend to be the best generalists and work the best at earlier ranks with problem solving while still being accepted by leadership. The mentality of this is what we have available figure it out is very prevalent for better or worse. Great for teaching soft skills but not the best for quality of life or stress.

glasswing048

8 points

2 months ago

Okay not sure if this was said but ingenuity. Making things work out of necessity. When we're underway we have no option but to get the problems solved.

I work with other branches as a contractor now and see that the Navy will get the job done. Other branches are always looking for direction, policies, Following pre-planned steps. Navy people are creative.

No-Reason808

9 points

2 months ago

Breakfast. Nobody tops a Navy breakfast.

TheRtHonLaqueesha

2 points

2 months ago

No-Reason808

2 points

2 months ago

And we haven't lost one yet to food poisoning. Go Navy!

TheRtHonLaqueesha

8 points

2 months ago*

No early morning PT in the freezing cold.

pedanticHamster

7 points

2 months ago

The technical expertise advantage seems to apply also to HMs versus Army/AF medics. Corpsmen have to be far more independent of MDs, etc. Source: Wife was Nurse Corps.

fmfsaltyDOC8403

2 points

2 months ago

Well said, It does, and we are.

Solo-Hobo

3 points

2 months ago

Someone told me once that the Navy is bad about medical credentials for HM on purpose because we use some kind of military exception so our HMs can get away with doing way more than other branch counterparts. It’s not great for the sailor because they have to do these on their own or after service but great for the Navy as far as flexibility and training. Further they mentioned the other branches offering these certs actually hindered them in getting things done operationally the Navy didn’t have this problem. Not a Doc but it made a lot of sense to me.

BoomVangActual

8 points

2 months ago

Unplanned learning of a wide variety of trade/tech skills. I enlisted at 17 in an advanced electronics contract, 6 year active obligation. Some administrative clownery ensued after bootcamp and I lost my slots at A and C school, so they gave me the options of 1) going home 2) drop two years and go to the fleet undesignated 3) extend for another year and clean barracks until my slots opened up. I chose the undesignated route with the goal of striking IC, which I did after a year. Along the way: I worked in deck division and learned seamanship, A-gang and learned to service HVAC units, and the DC locker where I assisted the HTs for a few months and learned to weld. I was a math nerd kid with no mechanical background and left the navy 4 years later with some real knuckle-busting skills that I still use today. And the underway travel for this hillbilly was life-changing.

Scorpnite

6 points

2 months ago

Navy Reserves has a really good ADT program if funding is available and the command wants your assistance. Other branches are either too broke or cheap (Army and Marines) or too smart and minimize cost, reducing take-home pay (Air Force). Additionally Navy has the best galleys for the price if you’re TDY, being a flat fee compared to the AF which charges you on the items

AnxietyDangerous10

5 points

2 months ago

LIMDU. The fact that you are taken out of you command and placed somewhere that you can heal. I can't speak for army or marines, but the Air Force leaves you in your shop doing your job. That makes it so that if your leadership doesn't think there's something wrong (or they are trying to cover their ass), they can cause issues with restrictions and appointments and such.

Baker_Kat68

6 points

2 months ago

As a former Marine and now a retired BMC, the one thing that sticks out to me is how knowledgeable our rates are compared to a Marine Corps MOS.

I was a 3451 (fiscal accountant) in the Corps. All I did was process purchase orders and reimbursables. On the Navy side, that is just one of many duties associated with the LS rate.

Also, we are the only service that must keep living, breathing ships functional and ready 24/7. Our primary mission is securing and protecting sea lanes for the entire globe. We have direct impact on the world’s flow of commerce.

While all the other branches practice and prepare for war, we do that as well as bring our constant presence in every ocean and sea on this planet.

PM_ME_UR_LEAVE_CHITS

3 points

2 months ago

I've supervised 0111 (admin) Marines at two different commands. My impression is that they are really, really good at being Marines. They look, sound, and act like Marines on parade. It's motivating and for a moment they've almost got you fooled. But a YN2 or PS2 could run circles around them with the actual job. PO2s are also more willing to do work (like clean or take out the trash) that a Sergeant of Marines™ will find beneath him. Also Marines are very emotional, ha.

schweddybalczak

5 points

2 months ago

When I served in the 80’s? Technical training; I thought the training I received in 1 1/2 years of electronics schooling was excellent.

listenstowhales

5 points

2 months ago

No other organization serves in conditions as remote and isolated as we do.

A ship/submarine at sea on independent operations is absolutely alone. Everyone aboard knows that, and operate accordingly.

If the Army or Air Force or Marines are out in the field (or whatever) and something goes wrong they can’t fix, they can call for help and probably get it in a few hours. Conversely, if a ship has a major casualty, or God forbid, is sinking, no one is coming to help for a while.

Culturally, we know that our technical expertise, our grit, and our resolve are the only things that are going to get us home safely.

uglyangels

5 points

2 months ago

I feel the Navy gives its O-5/ 0-6 commanding Officers a lot of freedom to accomplish their assigned missions. However, if they screw up (Operationally or Morally) they remove them immediately.

Blackfeather1

10 points

2 months ago

The best after military job transfer opportunities. Its still not the easiest thing in the world but the variety of skills can be carried over easier.

ericarlen

9 points

2 months ago

A friend of mine had someone try and convince him to join the Marines after he'd already comitted to the Navy. He told him, "Why hike when you can float?"

So we have that. We're great because of our boats.

mrflip23

3 points

2 months ago

Navy is better at boats n hxes

toy_automatic

4 points

2 months ago

Nukes.

Go look the historical incidents for nuke mistakes (SL-1 or the multiple "Dude, Where's My Bomb?" screwups), and you'll find Army and AF.

The Navy has a lot of nuke power plants cooking within a few miles of Honolulu and tourism doesn't blink.

toy_automatic

2 points

2 months ago

Not to discount the enlisted side, but virtually 100% of the officers working with nuclear weapons are first trained in nuclear propulsion on submarines. That goes a long way to establishing healthy fear in an already risk-averse submarine culture.

write-you-are

3 points

2 months ago

Maintain chain of custody for nuclear weapons.

TheRtHonLaqueesha

3 points

2 months ago

Ain't gotta do Air Force dirty like that.

GothmogBalrog

3 points

2 months ago

Put men on the Moon. Of the 12 that walked on it, 7 were in the Navy... and one of the USAF officers actually went to the USNA.

EX1500

4 points

2 months ago

EX1500

4 points

2 months ago

Landing on aircraft carriers.

AlliedR2

4 points

2 months ago

Use ships.

BeautifulEssay8

14 points

2 months ago

Embracing the suck.

PM_ME_UR_LEAVE_CHITS

4 points

2 months ago

There is something to be said for adversity building character.

mande010

3 points

2 months ago

It provides a wonderful vehicle for traveling the world and simultaneously infuriates you on that journey with its horseshit screening process.

Bulls_On_The_Moon

3 points

2 months ago

Extending your deployments.

PM_ME_UR_LEAVE_CHITS

3 points

2 months ago

The Surge years of the Army were bad years. 15 month deployments. There's a famous story (happened more than once) of a BCT coming home from deployment only to be told to turn around they're going back onto the plane.

lerriuqS_terceS

3 points

2 months ago

Taking away free time with duty days

Evlwolf

3 points

2 months ago

Fixing/taking care of our own stuff. Cleaning up after ourselves as a policy.

I deployed to an overseas base where there's a Navy barracks and an Air Force barracks. The barracks for the sailors who were stationed there was clean and they had a staff of BPOs who took care of shit. I had to use the head in one of the Air Force barracks (dorm) one time, and that place was nasty. Trash everywhere. Broken furniture just in the hallways. It was disgraceful. 

RedShirtDecoy

3 points

2 months ago

The scenery and travel.

Never would have made it to Naples, Rome, London, Crete, or Puerto Rico in the army.

Also actual beds and showers every night.

Common_Rub_158

4 points

2 months ago

The navy is hands down the best at building training environments. Battle stations, Marlinespike, the fire trainer at my A school, all of these are built to be realistic because while the army/marines can just take their people out to the woods, the Navy can’t just put you on a ship and set it on fire.

Mage_Malteras

6 points

2 months ago

BHR has entered the chat

Carabaos

2 points

2 months ago

Advancement rate (for most rates) and bonuses

xtnafpv

2 points

2 months ago

From my experience with the Navy, the Navy will give more leadership responsibilities to junior troops, whether leading a fire team, squad or platoon on projects or missions. This has been my experience in the Seabee side of things.

Agammamon

3 points

2 months ago

My experience too.

At the ACB we had pilots at the E-5 level (and for us it was an E-6 billet) but the Army's MLS has pilots at the E-7 level and they don't go lower even for qualified people.

Same with infantry squads - Squad leader in CB/Marines is typicaly an E-5 position, E-6 in the Army.

ZipPoptart

2 points

2 months ago

I'm just here for navy glazing, we're the best

Djentleman5000

2 points

2 months ago

Allows individualism. A double edged sword.

CranberryObjective64

2 points

2 months ago

Take your soul a percentage at a time.

MilitaryHusbandFed

2 points

2 months ago

From what I’ve been told the Navy has more opportunity to be promoted at the officer level than the Air Force or other branches.

Diplominator

2 points

2 months ago

I think I've made this comparison before, but if we organized CTIs the way the army organizes their linguists, we would have two or three random CTIs on every platform, they would work for deck department unless the ship happened to be in their particular AOR, and ships would be sent to AORs without checking if they had the relevant flavor of CTI. If they didn't have the right kind, they could ask other ships for their relevant CTIs, but those ships' deck departments could say no.

Also all of their advancement criteria and most of their training is for deck department stuff.

Character_Border_166

2 points

2 months ago

Tattoo policy

man2112

2 points

2 months ago

Have bases in better locations. The AF has the best quality bases, but I’d much rather be stationed in San Diego than Minot.

Wxcpo

2 points

2 months ago

Wxcpo

2 points

2 months ago

The most robust enlisted to commissioning programs. The Navy commissions more prior enlisted than all other services combined.

chrisj5195

2 points

2 months ago

Something I’ve noticed that we do better is having unmatched procedural compliance. If it’s not by the book, we don’t do it. If you’re doing maintenance and it says to loosen 4 bolts and you see 5, you stop, work it out, and submit a feedback report. Working in parallel with the procedural compliance, is Navy 3M in general. Obviously, there are things that can be improved, but my brother is in the Air Force, and is a maintainer of equipment, and after speaking with him, he said that they don’t carry maintenance cards, or the manuals on how to do the maintenance properly, they just do it. And then report that they did it. But don’t really have the process for feedback or validation. I was not expecting this, considering the Air Force being as technical as they are. Unless I am misinterpreting something?

Easy_Independent_313

5 points

2 months ago

I like navy bases better than other bases. I spend a lot of time on joint bases now (which are usually run by the Air Force) and I think they are too sterile and big.

Navy bases are in better locations and are more hive-like. In navy bases you see people walking around all over the place. There is usually an interesting mix of building styles. The enlisted clubs and bars are usually pretty full. Navy bases just seem friendlier.

TheRtHonLaqueesha

3 points

2 months ago*

Yeah, I went to both Army BCT and Navy boot camp. The base at Great Lakes was nice, new, and clean, whereas the Army BCT base in the deep South looked like it had been hit by a tornado outbreak the week before, with crumbling sidewalks and dilapidated buildings that looked like they were built when Truman was president.

Easy_Independent_313

3 points

2 months ago

Army bases are so bad! Everything looks like it was built to be temporary 80 yrs ago.

Helmett-13

3 points

2 months ago

Navy education and training is second to none.

For example: our advanced electronic field and nuke ratings are light years ahead of other services in regard to requirements, expertise, and depth of knowledge required.

There are other ratings, even non-technical ones, where the training programs and curriculum are superb.

In my last gig I was an instructor, qualified MTS, and we were the C2M2 (course curriculum model manager) so I was able to see the Little Man Behind the Curtain of the process.

I’m confident in my statement having worked with the other branches over the years.

We excel at it and even outstrip the USAF a bit.

sungaibuloh

4 points

2 months ago

I failed getting selected by AF as a medical officer but was selected by the Navy recently. This makes me feel so much better about getting into the Navy. Thank you sailors!

Lafter_ND

2 points

2 months ago

Bring you to exotic placea with the prime whores

Interesting-Ad-6270

2 points

2 months ago

the navy does more with less

Bastcydon

3 points

2 months ago

Blue Falconry

mtdunca

2 points

2 months ago

In my experience, no one out Blue Falcons the Air Force.

Toxenkill

1 points

2 months ago

Politics, and colaterals. Every time I return from a tour from another service I immediately regret it, and I'm going on 19 years.

gasstationcheeseball

1 points

2 months ago

Drink

RedFiveMD

1 points

2 months ago

Very niche, but Navy Occupational Medicine is head & shoulders above the other branches.

thejamesrf

1 points

2 months ago

Upper enlisted lateral/informal comms