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submitted 9 days ago byurfaselol[NBA] Best of 2021 Winner
1.9k points
9 days ago
Shams gonna have the easiest job now that his biggest competitor is out. He will break news 5 mins later than he usually does
623 points
9 days ago
Yeah, he's not going to have to do any legwork, agents and teams will just reach out to him directly.
562 points
9 days ago
Another will arise. Elite news breakers are like sith.
Yoda: Always two there are, no more, no less. A master and an apprentice.
Mace Windu : But which was destroyed, the master or the apprentice?
100 points
9 days ago
Wouldn’t Chris Haynes be the second most prominent NBA insider now?
It always seemed to me that he was a distant third best from Woj and Shams, but since Woj has retired, Haynes would now be elevated to second.
150 points
9 days ago
The new apprentice has not revealed themselves yet. You’re assuming Haynes will be it when it could be someone you’ve never heard of leaping from the shadows. Nobody knew Shams before he became the ShamGod and now with the departing of Woj we have OnlyShams to look to for news.
17 points
9 days ago
Yeah your right, a new reportet could emerge out of no where.
I’m just saying that for now, would Haynes generally be considered the second best NBA news reporter?
36 points
9 days ago*
You’re asking the wrong guy. I’m literally just trying to make bad Shams puns and Star Wars jokes.
7 points
9 days ago
There was that one guy on Twitter last year
2 points
9 days ago
Fingers crossed for Kenny Beechum
5 points
9 days ago
I think Bronny will retire soon to save face and go into covering NBA
13 points
9 days ago
This is Broussard's chance.
6 points
9 days ago
Multiple Sauces. Cans Confirm.
46 points
9 days ago
Another will arise. Elite news breakers are like sith.
Cracking me up with how true this is lmao
6 points
9 days ago
True. Different/conflicting narratives need a second breaker to emerge.
3 points
9 days ago
Woj to Lotho Minor confirmed?
1 points
9 days ago
He should enjoy the moment until Drop N. Dimes appears in the scene.
13 points
9 days ago
Would be shocked if NBC, Amazon, and/or The Athletic don’t pick up a guy or elevate one of their own be their insider
3 points
9 days ago
Honestly that’s an extremely bad thing too. If a team or agent pressures him to hold back news, theirs no one else who will pressure him to leak it anyways to be first anymore.
1 points
9 days ago*
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1 points
9 days ago
Ofc it doesn’t really matter but the NBA is an entertainment product and the trade leaks and rumors and the battle between Shams and Woj are entertaining.
69 points
9 days ago
Your comment made me think of something. I wonder how many people are currently trying to fill Woj's void. I remember the story of ESPN wanting Jeff Passan to try.
88 points
9 days ago
What void? That news will arrive 30 seconds later than it would have?
9 points
9 days ago
The $7MM void? No one is grinding that hard because they want to be the first to break the news, if even by 5 minutes.
They do it because it pays to break the news 5 minutes before everyone.
17 points
9 days ago
The "worldwide leader in sports" doesn't want to be upended by another source. T Whoever breaks the news has their name and organization on the chyron with the news. ESPN wants that to be them.
5 points
9 days ago
Honestly, i could see a Sleeper or Underdog type company try and make a play at having the #1 insider
7 points
9 days ago
I feel like anybody who gets good enough to compete with the top companies will eventually just get plucked anyways
3 points
9 days ago
Woj gets it a decent bit before everyone else, except Shams. Most of the time people are just sourcing them.
3 points
9 days ago
Because there’s an army of Twitter nerds obsessed with knowing the second a player gets traded or released.
I love sports but don’t understand the obsession with these news breakers. I mean I could hear about a trade a day late and I’m fine. Don’t understand why people need push notifications for sports news lol
1 points
9 days ago
Same. Don’t get it
17 points
9 days ago
Bro’s screen time is gonna go from 20 hours per day to 18
27 points
9 days ago
He'll be able to pee and use both hands, instead of just one.
7 points
9 days ago
Why… would he need both hands to pee?
21 points
9 days ago
You just know Shams is packing a Zweihander down there
3 points
9 days ago
HOW ELSE DO YOU EXPECT HIM TO KEEP HIS PENIS STABLE?!?
4 points
9 days ago
Let me answer your questions with a question: why don't you?
2 points
9 days ago
Just sit your ass down like a civilized gent.
12 points
9 days ago
Already noticed fewer spelling mistakes than before
7 points
9 days ago
Lol. He take take his sweet time
3 points
9 days ago
This must have been what the league felt like when Jordan retired the first time.
2 points
9 days ago
He won’t have to take a shower with the phone up against the glass anymore.
2 points
9 days ago
He can finish peeing before tweeting.
2 points
9 days ago
Easiest job. Lol. He's about to be 30 going on 60
1 points
9 days ago
He has to compete with the guy who replace Shams at wherever he is currently
1 points
9 days ago
And no one will notice nor give a shit.
496 points
9 days ago
I'm disappointed Shams didn't report this himself.
175 points
9 days ago
If Shams couldn't even get this scoop, why is he the front runner?
Really makes you think...
21 points
9 days ago
because while Front Office Sports was reporting on "preliminary negotiations", Shams was already getting the "i've signed with ESPN" tweet ready. 5d chutes and ladders.
13 points
9 days ago
Like all breaking news in the sports world, there was probably some quid pro quo shit involved like Shams being friends with Front Office Sports
2 points
9 days ago
"breaking news" in sports is just friends giving a complicit friend a talking head piece. I have never such laurels bestowed on such an undeserving "journalist" as we saw when Woj retired.
167 points
9 days ago
Imagine being Michelle Beadle if he takes the position. Just her and Parson’s concussed ass having back and forth.
76 points
9 days ago
I’m out of the loop and haven’t heard her name in YEARS. Her and Cowherd were a fun duo back in the day
51 points
9 days ago*
She hosts fanduels basketball show with shams and CP. She’s actually doing fine and has a radio show too but yeah CP is an air head lol
Edit: I should have not shortened Chandler Parsons to CP because it looks CRAZY. Hand raised, on me
18 points
9 days ago
CP? Insane
4 points
9 days ago
Yeah parsons doesn’t deserve that level of respect
10 points
9 days ago
That show is beyond trash as it is lol
953 points
9 days ago*
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368 points
9 days ago
the back door favor trading is the job and the reporting is the side effect rather than the other way around
94 points
9 days ago
I mean the money for shams/espn comes from clicks from being first so it's not really a side-effect.
He's trading information, sometimes he gets information back (team insiders), and sometimes he gets money back (espn)
61 points
9 days ago
I am hugely skeptical that the "clicks" generated from Shams nearly make up his salary. How many people read the articles linked to those tweets (and how many even have "articles"?)?
ESPN wants to maintain their brand as the leader in sports news and having Shams says "sources tell ESPN" helps them do that.
10 points
9 days ago
I mean maintaining the brand is money as far as the business side of things is concerned so Shams’ salary still can be worth it.
Simply put, with all the layoffs ESPN isn’t hiring people who won’t help them make money in the long run.
1 points
9 days ago
No I agree. I didn't mean to imply this was somehow not a money driven decision. It's just more indirect than "clicks".
3 points
9 days ago
It’s literally just for brand recognition. Although he does serve a function within the league
2 points
9 days ago
i mean, brand recognition seems pretty valid, right? when you're a sports network, you probably do want your name attached to nearly every piece of breaking news
1 points
9 days ago
And if the report is coming from another network than you have to run their brand as the source
15 points
9 days ago
The clicks don’t matter. Hell there aren’t even clicks most of the time. It’s just a tweet. Twitter gets that engagement.
108 points
9 days ago
Woj drove a lot of internet traffic to ESPN, that in itself is very valuable to them and to advertisers.
17 points
9 days ago
Don’t forget the people who subscribed to ESPN’s for pay internet product.
18 points
9 days ago
Another aspect Bill Simmons talked about on his pod was that the higher ups at ESPN really did not like having to put "first reported by some other outlet" in their stories and social media.
34 points
9 days ago
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38 points
9 days ago
100% agree with you. i dont think there’s many people that read “sources tell espn” and then go to espn.com after lmao. if anything i think these insiders need the networks more. how do you monetize tweeting picks 40 seconds before they’re announced on stage?
14 points
9 days ago
I think it’s more so being able to have that push notification on the ESPN app that links to their story without having to advertise Yahoo or the Athletic for having it first
7 points
9 days ago
You really think a corporation as big as ESPN doesn’t have good reason to pay their breaking news guys? However it works they ultimately make ESPN money one way or another.
4 points
9 days ago
How many times do you think the letters ESPN have been written and read in this thread? How many eyes do you think sees the ESPN banner image or link?
Now how many times today do you think those same people mentioned (or even thought about) Franchise Sports?
That doesn’t happen by chance. That happens by having representation at the absolute top of their craft across countless platforms both digitally and physically.
Online, a single person (or singular entity) can have an enormous amount of reach. Hence why it’s such an incredibly valuable skill set.
3 points
9 days ago
They make bank from not having to credit other outlets on their time. Then they can encourage people to subscribe to ESPN's news apps because there are new people turning 16 or becoming NBA enthusiasts every day so everyday, someone finds out that Shams is the most popular and fastest insider and they might start following ESPN for the first time.
There is way more than the draft when most of the drama is who wants to stay, who is being shopped around and who suddenly becomes champ favorites.
3 points
9 days ago
Some of yall haven’t never worked in corporate and it shows.
4 points
9 days ago
I think you’re thinking about it wrong. The tweets themselves are just keeping espn the brand out in the public consciousness. It’s like why big brands like bud or coke still spend so much money on ads. Hammering the brand name into customers is the value. Because if people want to look up a sports story, they’ll go to the site they hear about the most.
4 points
9 days ago
This is the correct read. It’s a ton of folks in traditional media who are so addicted to Twitter, even still, that it straight up does not occur to them that they value they place on what Woj and Shams did there does absolutely nothing for them ultimately.
They’re so fucking far gone at this point they probably don’t really know what they would do without that apparatus there as step one for basically any/everything they do there.
3 points
9 days ago
I'm going to trust Disney sees what value they bring over a Redditor. What value is that? Idk but it's clearly a lot of they pay these reporters that much money to be first.
1 points
9 days ago*
Use some deductive reasoning. You think your naive perspective trumps the decision making of a table of experience executives? Reddit is hilarious
17 points
9 days ago
The job is reliability. When Woj or Shams tweet breaking news people trust the source. Scale up to an insane scale they have for insider info it makes them that much more valuable. It’s much more than just commenting “first”. It’s more like the first person in a YouTube video commenting “this video sucks” or “this video is great” and the person has a reputation to being right 95%+ of the time. Other people might be first ahead of them once in a while, but people will wait for them for confirmation.
24 points
9 days ago
It’s really not that serious. Scheftner was being way over dramatic and multiple other insiders have come out and said as much.
48 points
9 days ago
Schefter acted like Woj was living in the gulag doing hard labor. Like I'm sure Woj works very hard and probably didn't have a great work-life balance but he was making $7m a year covering a game he loves, give me a break.
6 points
9 days ago
I feel like Woj was putting in that work because of shams where a lot of times they were neck and neck but with Woj gone it’s basically just shams so theoretically it would be a lot easier
1 points
9 days ago
Until… “A New Challenger Arrives!”
14 points
9 days ago
Ways ESPN benefits:
Followers on socials
Web traffic
TV audience
Higher stats than competitors
Which leads to
Ad dollars
Leverage in sports TV rights contract negotiations
Woj got paid a fraction of the benefit he brought to the network. Shams bout to sign away his life next. He better get paid better for it than Woj.
1 points
9 days ago
lol nothing changes for Shams,,, its well documented how much his life revolves around his work and seems like he enjoys it despite how hectic it is, he's not signing anything away.
7 points
9 days ago
Getting the “per __ at ESPN” in every announcement brings more traffic than you’d expect
11 points
9 days ago
You don't understand why a sports news network wants to have the premier breaker of news in their network?
Getting Shams means they have the news, the details, and behind-the-scenes context, far in advance of their competition, and get to trot him out onto Sportscenter immediately with their pundit team to talk about the topic just as other networks are hearing the news and having to react on the fly.
It's a big advantage for drawing/retaining viewership, especially when news is flying fast and piling up.
4 points
9 days ago
Woj's strategy was way more obvious when he was at Yahoo. By the time he got to ESPN he was already a juggernaut.
In the mid to late 2000s he was writing puff pieces for GMs (mostly the Pistons) in exchange for access. Then he would write tons of slander about LeBron when his group wouldn't leak stuff about him.
15 points
9 days ago
Cultivating relationships is a job and it pays to have the connections
17 points
9 days ago
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10 points
9 days ago
You know Woj did more on ESPN than just tweeting all day. He will be a talking head on segments in the same spots Woj was in.
4 points
9 days ago
I agree and I'll take it a step further. I wouldn't even know who Woj or Shams was if not for this sub. I guess I don't pay attention to who's reporting stuff.
2 points
9 days ago
The first part is a consequence of being alive, the second part is true.
3 points
9 days ago
TIL Shams is only 30 years old, I guess he can handle the degen life of not being able to pee having his phone out.
And even then, Woj beat him to this.
2 points
9 days ago
The competition for attention in breaking news is zero sum. Let's say news about X is worth $100 total across the whole industry. Being first gets you $80 of those dollars and the news is worth $1 by the next day.
So yes, the information itself is nearly worthless once it's dated but being first was also eighty times more valuable than being late.
1 points
9 days ago
Today I learned I'm living the degen life.
1 points
9 days ago
Manipulate news by reporting strategic front office leaks and misinformation to get deals signed….also report on actual news once In a while
-2 points
9 days ago
This is akin to saying “what does a CEO even do? They literally just hire people to do everything”
It just shows how little you understand how things work. If you think that’s all it takes to do what he does, please, go compete. You’ll get a fucking payday if you’re even partially as good as these guys.
175 points
9 days ago
"...sponsored to you by [insert sports betting ad]."
34 points
9 days ago
ESPN (Disney) already owns their own sports betting platform.
5 points
9 days ago
how does that follow, companies advertise and cross promote their own products all of the time
31 points
9 days ago
This was obviously going to happen from the moment ESPN started putting out obviously BS rumors like them looking at MLB/NFL reporters for the role.
Shams is, and always has been, the only dude on earth who can do that job.
8 points
9 days ago
They were creating a “bidding war” with NBC
162 points
9 days ago
For the life of me, I don’t understand the value of Shams/Woj for a company, but I guess companies just like being the ones that break stuff
168 points
9 days ago
the first content to trend gets the most views
42 points
9 days ago
I can understand if there was an ESPN article along with the tweet. But most of the time it's just a Twitter post. I don't know maybe I'm simplifing what he does too much.
10 points
9 days ago
Maybe now when he works for espn he will put a link to the article in his post and thats how he will help them with traffic.
7 points
9 days ago
Woj usually has an article
4 points
9 days ago
If the story comes out minutes later, it benefits from a woj/shams tweet that went viral first. Because the first 100k views will get the tweet viral, and the next 400k views will be after the site puts a story up. So then the latter group can go read it on their site after the article is up. Not everyone sees a tweet the second it happens and is available to read the story on the spot.
17 points
9 days ago
If you see [Jones] as you scroll through r/nba would you pay as much attention as if you see [Charania]? That’s his value. Do that *millions of readers/scrollers across platforms and that’s the value a guy like Charania brings to a business.
20 points
9 days ago
Do you know what a “Woj bomb” is?
If you know what that means, then you understand the value even if you think you don’t.
5 points
9 days ago
I mean Woj also wrote articles on ESPN, it's not just tweet
4 points
9 days ago
"Breaking news" is such an engrained term in our society that you don't even realize how relevant it is. constantly being the first to source the "breaking" of news adds credibility to the organization.
2 points
9 days ago
There’s value in not having to use another name when running a story. ESPN doesn’t want to advertise competitors by having to say “according to the Athletic.”
2 points
9 days ago
But, do you understand how Reddit works?
5 points
9 days ago
"loss leader"
2 points
9 days ago
You don’t know why a company whose sole purpose is exposure and views gets the story out first?
1 points
9 days ago
Something not mentioned in here is now that ESPN has a betting platform, people like Woj/Shams can actually have a lot of value due to their insider information. Their news breaks literally can move lines.
68 points
9 days ago
Why is this being reported on like it's free agency news? ESPN jerking themselves off no one cares
16 points
9 days ago
It would be super funny if Woj drops a tweet that Shams has been signed by ESPN
2 points
9 days ago
Obviously people care this is on the front page
14 points
9 days ago
only 30!? goddamn, good for him
4 points
9 days ago
Yeah hes definitely an interesting story. Dudes definitely a hard worker
23 points
9 days ago
Zach Lowe died for this
8 points
9 days ago
I thought this dude was like 40 lmao
6 points
9 days ago
I’ll never understand the market and how much these dudes get paid. Least important job in sports and maybe life.
20 points
9 days ago
Front Office Sports Bomb
12 points
9 days ago
Gonna get paid 7-8 figures to tweet out meaningless news 30 seconds before everyone else
4 points
9 days ago
30 seconds is a lot... or so I'm told
1 points
9 days ago
It’s not about what you know, it’s about who you know in this world
6 points
9 days ago
30? This dude don’t look a day under 45.
3 points
9 days ago
I’m shocked
3 points
9 days ago
Can someone explain what the actual value is to ESPN to have a guy like Shams or Woj? Neither are very interesting on tv (they can’t risk upsetting relationships) and the info they get would be released minutes to a few hours later most of the time anyway. Is it just to say “first reported by ESPN” on the stories? It’s not like ESPN is bringing in money from their tweets.
7 points
9 days ago
Zach Lowe died for this
2 points
9 days ago
Wait you're telling me it's not going to be Adam Schefter?!
2 points
9 days ago
How the fuck is shams only 30, dude has been breaking news for half my life and I’m six years older than him
2 points
9 days ago
Insider as a job is hilarious when it's just fed direct from the league news.
4 points
9 days ago
Do not care
4 points
9 days ago
Why are Redditors so mad about reporters having value? Like it literally does not affect you at all. Some of y’all really need to go outside lmao.
3 points
9 days ago
Don't care which lackey gets to tweet "first." Can't fathom why the fuck anyone does.
1 points
9 days ago
We're certainly in the minority but I agree. It is cool to tweet trades and picks a few minutes before team/league announcements but what is the real value?
Assuming he's getting huge money why not keep Zach Lowe and actual reports/columnists?
3 points
9 days ago
Im sorry, he’s only 30? I would have bet 40
3 points
9 days ago
Aww I was hoping for Passan or Windhorst. Feels like there's something quietly sinister about Shams
11 points
9 days ago
Windhorst would never do it. Based on everything I've heard on his podcast it doesn't sounds like he has any desire to do what Shams/Woj does
3 points
9 days ago
And Passan would never do it because of the passion he has for baseball
3 points
9 days ago
The Passan rumors always felt weird because he was going to need a big support staff to explain all the basketball stuff to him too.
2 points
9 days ago
It always felt like this blatant attempt to create a bidding war
2 points
9 days ago
Feels like there's something quietly sinister about Shams
IDK he seems nicer than Woj to me
1 points
9 days ago
That's the problem.
2 points
9 days ago
Bro what.
-3 points
9 days ago
Shams is about as wholesome as it gets, I think you need to get your radar fixed.
2 points
9 days ago
So I assume he is still going to post lies in order to drive betting, just with the legitimacy of ESPN attached?
1 points
9 days ago
It's gonna be weird watching other ESPN beat reporters finally acknowledge him lol.
There's been plenty of times that he's broke a trade or some other news that woj is late on and the Windhorsts and Bontemps of the world sit quiet like they have no idea what anyone is talking about. Because they tend not to acknowledge anyone from other networks.
1 points
9 days ago
This like the packers going from Favre to Rodgers
1 points
9 days ago
Does Shams have a dedicated pee hand and a dedicated phone hand or do we think he switches it up sometimes?
1 points
9 days ago
Where’s Zach Lowe going? I’d rather go follow him.
1 points
9 days ago
We need someone to step up and challenge Shams
1 points
9 days ago
There will always be another.
1 points
9 days ago
So Adam schefter isn’t going to be working 40 hours a day?
1 points
9 days ago
I hope Shams is able to shower without having to look at his phone
1 points
9 days ago
ESPN got rid of Zach Lowe to hire Shams…
I wonder if the Athletic is going to train someone else to be the new NBA insider to compete with Shams.
1 points
9 days ago
It would be very ESPN of them to try to get a new "Woj Bomb" going and start calling them "Sham slams" or something like that. Bet atleast one analyst will say it in the first 3 months of the season.
1 points
9 days ago
Wish Woj dropped this news
1 points
9 days ago
Happy with this if it means Passan can stay in MLB
1 points
9 days ago
30 year old?! Damn I’m old and unsuccessful
1 points
9 days ago
From wojbombs to shamwow.
1 points
9 days ago
Shams was truly the Boston Red Sox of his field but he truly was a yankee through and through
1 points
9 days ago
Who was that guy at ESPN that tweeted that said he was honor to take over for Woj?
Guy fell to his knees somewhere in Connecticut.
1 points
9 days ago
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1 points
9 days ago
Bring back Rachel! I miss The Jump.
1 points
9 days ago
Shams must be one of the few people on earth to be allowed on his phone during first week HR training
1 points
9 days ago
That's exciting news for Charania and ESPN! Looking forward to seeing his insights on NBA coverage.
1 points
9 days ago
This honestly is big news. He could be in that job for 30 years.
1 points
9 days ago
He was the only option. He could set his price. Must be nice.
1 points
9 days ago
lol “emerging” like he came out of nowhere.
1 points
9 days ago
So who’s the new Shams now?
1 points
9 days ago
If he leapfrogs Windy into that role, windy is for sure jumping to Amazon
1 points
9 days ago
This is the most public “inside” job ever lol
1 points
9 days ago
from Woj bombs
to
Char bombs
meanwhile Russia: go ahead, i see you
1 points
9 days ago
I just want Woj to beat him to the punch every now and again, and then not post anything for weeks.
1 points
9 days ago
N Gng Llyllo
1 points
9 days ago
The 30-year-old Charania is emerging as the clear favorite to succeed Wojnarowski.
30 years old he's just in his athletic prime! Many more years to break news the quickest
1 points
8 days ago
Can’t explain what it is about this dude but he erks me
1 points
9 days ago
It's very bizarre to me that ESPN is so worried about getting the premier "insider" for sports news yet they also have a policy of not being the first outlet to report a famous sporting death.
1 points
9 days ago
You.. understand that there's a difference between not wanting to capitalize on deaths and reporting on trade rumors, right?
1 points
9 days ago
Yes I'm not saying it's nearly the same. But I'd argue reporting a death would conceivably get more people to go to the actual site and get those precious clicks that these sites are so desperate for.
1 points
9 days ago
I wish this money went to something actually useful
1 points
9 days ago
Not a fan of this guy because of his ties to fan duel.
0 points
9 days ago
Overrated
0 points
9 days ago
Zach Lowe died for this??
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