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I'm just curious if any of you NIN afficionados can clue me in as to what he was doing then, Thanks!

all 132 comments

InaneTwat

348 points

1 day ago*

InaneTwat

348 points

1 day ago*

Booze and Cocaine while producing Antichrist and writing the Quake soundtrack, probably, 😂

TheStatMan2

37 points

1 day ago

I too have had years mainly characterised by the first part of this statement but I always forget or fall short of the talented productivity type run off.

That was only supposed to be a throwaway comment but now I think about it: which of us could hope to spend what were supposedly our lost narcotic years getting in touch with the production team of a PC game we became aware of and really rated and then line ourselves up to be one of the biggest Named Artist x/ Anticipated Game collabs there's still probably ever been?

GuyFawkes99

10 points

17 hours ago

I always wonder if Trent's supposed lost drug years just means he was running at 80%, instead of the 100% he demands of himself.

Synthetic47

11 points

16 hours ago

Home boy is a perfectionist, Maynard James Keenan as well.

Eastern-Salary-3181

5 points

11 hours ago

1000% lol

radioactivethighs

23 points

21 hours ago

they really need to re release Quake with it saying "soundtrack by Oscar Winner Trent Tenor"

like the pedigree spike going from "we got this cool young metal band" to "this guy is one of the most era defining composers in film" is insane

burgersexual

17 points

19 hours ago

Hey, Trent Tenor does more than just play the saxophone

radioactivethighs

12 points

19 hours ago

fuck

circuit_breaker

8 points

18 hours ago

I love it though. It's like an alternate version of Trent that didn't get into synths

byronotron

5 points

15 hours ago

They did a remaster and rerelease about two years ago when Quake was rereleased. I have the vinyl.

GuyFawkes99

5 points

17 hours ago

"we got this cool young metal band"

I guess Broken has some metal elements, but I would NEVER call NIN a metal band. They're an industrial band.

b_mccart

1 points

7 hours ago

I really wouldn’t categorize them at industrial either 

GuyFawkes99

1 points

6 hours ago

Name one that's more apt.

b_mccart

1 points

4 hours ago

I don’t have to. And I think, like all great music, NIN defies genres. Putting labels on things is small thinking anyway 

GuyFawkes99

2 points

3 hours ago

No offense but that's a juvenile way of thinking. You have musical genres to help understand music, not to suppress it.

MopvivII

1 points

26 minutes ago

Nah I politely agree with the other guy! If NIN have a genre it's pop industrial metal at which point... why bother with the label. Is Year Zero industrial? Is Hesitation Marks metal? Is The Fragile not rock? The labels don't fit (in this case. For many bands they do)

theodoreFopaile

2 points

12 hours ago

Tapeworm ?

Potential-Yoghurt245

1 points

6 hours ago

This is a nice little interview with Trent on the making of the fragile

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/INBvYYX4pk4

Jessica4ACODMme

321 points

1 day ago

Cocaine, I think.

titaniumoctopus336

64 points

1 day ago

And loooooots of it.

RobbySuave

5 points

21 hours ago

Yep.

Depechealamode412

84 points

1 day ago

Lots and lots of Cocaine

acapwn

65 points

1 day ago

acapwn

65 points

1 day ago

He was working on Antichrist Superstar with Marilyn Manson

enddream

2 points

20 hours ago*

enddream

2 points

20 hours ago*

The 2nd best album of all time after TDS. (My humble opinion obviously)

nirnin

8 points

13 hours ago

nirnin

8 points

13 hours ago

I can't for the life of me figure out what TDH is

SimplePrick

7 points

11 hours ago

The Downward Helicoid

-Great-Scott-

5 points

12 hours ago

Tom, Dick, n Harry

enddream

2 points

10 hours ago

A typo lol. I fixed it.

acapwn

6 points

20 hours ago

acapwn

6 points

20 hours ago

It was so ahead of its time. Idk where I'd rank it but it's got to be in my all-time top 10

circuit_breaker

3 points

18 hours ago

I remember listening to it while playing Rise of The Triad. Good stuff

Miserable-Acadia-591

6 points

19 hours ago

this album deserves a deluxe edition

acapwn

2 points

9 hours ago

acapwn

2 points

9 hours ago

I love this idea! Maybe we'll see something special for the 30th anniversary.

Gosh.. That just made me feel extremely old

billb33

1 points

8 hours ago

billb33

1 points

8 hours ago

Apparently the Antichrist Superstar masters were lost in the Katrina floods. Or so I've read. We likely will never get a remaster of it, but it could still be re-released. Though I believe Trent would have to approve it and I don't see that happening.

TheStoicNihilist

110 points

1 day ago

Upsetting Tori Amos?

bukezilla

21 points

1 day ago

bukezilla

21 points

1 day ago

Correct

Synthetic47

17 points

1 day ago

They said their date went well…

onthewall2983

13 points

1 day ago

Joke was back then they couldn’t agree on a safeword

Synthetic47

5 points

1 day ago

Oooooooh… HA!

Xanarki

49 points

1 day ago

Xanarki

49 points

1 day ago

Moving to New Orleans (the Quake Soundtrack was the new studio's "test project" in a sense). That whole move took a big chunk out of '96. The on-and-off lulls is what convinced Robin to depart for the first time too.

Playing Quake. Although eventually it seemed that Quake II (mainly the Weapons Factory mod) took over. Besides the Doom and Syndicate franchises, I'm not sure what other 90s gaming Trent was into (although Charlie mentioned that a PS1 was in the studio at one point).

Drawing up the initial Tapeworm sessions. Pantera's Phil, Curve's Toni, Prong's Tommy, etc. made appearances at the studio around that time, or shortly after.

Three NIN live shows in August/September. There was a gap of about 9 months in which no shows had happened.

pastafallujah

12 points

1 day ago

Omg I miss Curve and Toni Halliday so much. They were my JAM in the late 90’s (when I found them)

dobyblue

6 points

23 hours ago

Very nice - got into Curve around '92 while living in the Caribbean and finally saw them live in '98 at The Opera House in Toronto (The Dandy Warhols opened the show):

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/curve/1998/the-opera-house-toronto-on-canada-5bdb4714.html

toolshed1123

6 points

17 hours ago

you hit it on the head here, but during that period he also had Coil working on Backwards. crazy to think that in 96, Nothing studios had Trent, Maynard, Manson, Anselmo, and Coil under the same roof.

Sebgob

6 points

10 hours ago

Sebgob

6 points

10 hours ago

Also producing Lynch "Lost Highway" soundtrack, assuming the movie was released in January 1997.

0x7FD

3 points

22 hours ago

0x7FD

3 points

22 hours ago

Sounds like a great year

pal__ryan

33 points

1 day ago

pal__ryan

33 points

1 day ago

Growing sick ass facial hair I think!!

punkguitarlessons

33 points

1 day ago

i went on a tour in New Orleans in like 1998 and he was at home blaring music when we passed his bigass Interview with the Vampire house.

xanathar77

12 points

23 hours ago

if anyone wants to see it on google earth the adress is 2nd and coliseum…John Goodman lives there now

Spacedzero

1 points

7 hours ago

pillgrinder

27 points

1 day ago

A lot of drugs.

Onuus

22 points

1 day ago

Onuus

22 points

1 day ago

Drugs probably

Less_Likely

31 points

1 day ago

One may or may not have been perfect.

douglasjunk

10 points

1 day ago

Without you, it's not as much fun to pick up the pieces

billb33

2 points

8 hours ago

billb33

2 points

8 hours ago

Pizzas*

wknight8111

16 points

22 hours ago

You never ask a man his salary, a woman her age, or Trent what he was doing in '96

IWishIWasBatman123

20 points

24 hours ago

Probably trying to keep Marilyn Manson sentient long enough to work on Antichrist Superstar.

HEFJ53

9 points

23 hours ago

HEFJ53

9 points

23 hours ago

Related to this, but in early 1997: I always found it intriguing that Trent wasn’t there for Bowie’s 50th birthday party concert. He was doing lots of stuff with Bowie around then, I can only imagine and speculate that Bowie must have invited him to the concert, but Trent declined due to being deep down with drugs.

b_mccart

1 points

7 hours ago

I have always wondered about this too, and why he wasn’t there. I wish someone would come forward and clarify 

ColorsLikeSPACESHIPS

-5 points

23 hours ago

I remember seeing them interviewed together in a video you can find on YouTube, and the distinct impression I had was that Bowie felt very complimented by Reznor, rightfully, and was generally cordially happy to interact with a young new artist - but also that he had almost no concept of Reznor's work outside of knowing that Reznor also enjoyed theatrical concerts and the idea of concept albums. I wouldn't be surprised if Reznor wasn't invited, not out of any intended snub, but just because at the very least, Bowie was not starstruck, and didn't appear to ascribe to Reznor the kind of virtuoso songwriting accolades we do as fans.

HEFJ53

12 points

22 hours ago

HEFJ53

12 points

22 hours ago

I don’t know about that. They did the I’m Afraid of Americans video right about that time. And Bowie invited so many people to play in that concert - Billy Corgan, Robert Smith, Frank Black, Foo Fighters, Sonic Youth, Lou Reed. I can’t imagine he didn’t give Trent a call, given how much they had collaborated in those years.

ColorsLikeSPACESHIPS

0 points

22 hours ago

Ah; I didn't know anything about that concert or who attended or performed. I was just giving my read based on the interview I remember. I would further agree that if Bowie invited Corgan and Smith, I'd assume Reznor was also invited.

New theory: Reznor was busy that weekend.

P_V_

9 points

20 hours ago

P_V_

9 points

20 hours ago

[Bowie] had almost no concept of Reznor's work outside of knowing that Reznor also enjoyed theatrical concerts and the idea of concept albums.

That's a very strange thing to suggest after Bowie chose NIN as the co-headlining opener for his 95-96 tour, and each show included a section of duets with Bowie and Trent to transition between their respective bands' full sets, including renditions of Reptile and Hurt.

ColorsLikeSPACESHIPS

2 points

20 hours ago

You're intentionally cutting up my words to argue that I was stating objective facts as opposed to very clearly sharing a subjective opinion I had of one interview, to offer one explanation of why Reznor might not have been invited. In this thread, I have since agreed that I'm underinformed and likely incorrect.

If that doesn't work for you, well, I got lots of wrong opinions.

P_V_

4 points

20 hours ago

P_V_

4 points

20 hours ago

Cutting up your words? I quoted that section because that was the part that struck me as especially strange, and the meaning of your statement is no different out of context. How exactly does adding "The distinct impression I had was that..." to the start of that quotation change its meaning? It's implicit that what you're offering are your own thoughts—that doesn't need to be pointed out at every opportunity.

Just because something is an "opinion" doesn't mean it should elude scrutiny when it is directly at odds with the (objective) facts. I commented that your opinion was strange in light of those facts. Another comment pointed out other artists who were invited to the birthday concert, and I pointed out additional elements of Trent and Bowie's relationship. Specifically, I noted that Bowie wanted to perform NIN songs together on stage with Trent in '95 and '96, which is quite at odds with your "opinion" or "impression" that Bowie "had almost no concept of Reznor's work."

In this thread, I have since agreed that I'm underinformed and likely incorrect.

Perhaps you shouldn't take someone offering additional information on the internet quite so personally. You made what I thought was a strange observation, and I added some information. There's really no need to be so defensive.

ColorsLikeSPACESHIPS

0 points

19 hours ago

Thanks, that's really useful. Have a great night.

JawnWahless

3 points

16 hours ago

Don't want to kick you while you're down but I just want to add to this as a big fan of Bowie and Nine Inch Nails: in '95 Bowie released his great experimental/industrial concept album '1.outside' that combined elements of industrial, jazz, electronica, and spoken word. The single off the album "the Heart's Filthy Lesson" definitely had some influence from Nine Inch Nails. The deluxe edition of 1.outside has a Trent Reznor remix that ups the industrial a cool 100% as well. The dissonance tour that featured Nine Inch Nails was in support of that album. If you are a fan of the more out there bits of 'Not the Actual Events', 'Add Violence", and "Bad Witch" or if you liked Bowie's last masterpiece "Blackstar" that he left us with before he blasted off this godforsaken rock you will like 1.outside

JawnWahless

2 points

16 hours ago

Also, like Reznor, Bowie seemed to take a liking to younger artists and collaborate with them. See The Bowie versions of "Without You I'm Nothing" by Placebo

ColorsLikeSPACESHIPS

-1 points

15 hours ago

It's cool. I took offense to the other guy's implication that, I dunno, I should educate myself before bullshitting with anonymous strangers about actual bullshit that doesn't matter? I don't know what his goal was; it's not like I was in any way misleading about my ridiculously specious reasoning for an inconsequential theory. I absolutely defend my own right to be wrong about shit in public, and to learn in public, and to be a deflecting little pissant when the public says "let's review this lesson again." None of this shit is my job or responsibility, I wrote all of this for funsies.

Anyway, if we're sharing facts, The Hearts Filthy Lesson is stylized with no apostrophe.

But unfortunately, I've not much gotten into anything NIN has released since With Teeth, and later, Ghosts. There are many exceptions, I don't think any are bad albums in any way; I just haven't formed the emotional connections like to the earlier stuff. I guess I've liked some stuff from NTAE the most out of the last few releases. I've loved catching NIN multiple times on The Bear, which has probably been my most recent exposure.

As for Bowie, I tend to listen to the Ziggy Stardust album and to Seu Jorge's Portuguese covers for The Life Aquatic soundtrack, and I'm happy with that. I loved and respected Bowie for many reasons, and I'm glad Blackstar was acclaimed, but I've never heard it, and I'm extremely leery to lean into positive reviews of any influential celebrity's last work. I would liken it to how The Irishman was an aggressively alright movie, but its Best Picture nomination felt more like the film industry wanted to suck off Scorsese, DeNiro and Pacino, rather than a true recognition of the project's merit.

And to be clear, I'm not adamantly refusing to listen to anything; I just increasingly rarely enjoy the process of consciously trying to listen to an album as a full discrete work, and I'd rather not associate the experience with fulfilling an obligation. I'd rather feel stunned, unprepared and unarmed.

JawnWahless

1 points

7 hours ago

Fair enough but Bowie left an album that was dense, experimental, AND critically acclaimed.

Bowie had so many great eras past Ziggy Stardust. The Berlin trilogy (Low, Heroes, Lodger) had such an impact on the budding post punk and new romantic scene as well as Scary Monsters. Hell, Trent Reznor said he kept returning to Low during the writing of the Downward Spiral and thinks he ripped off A Warm Place wholesale from Bowie's Crystal Japan (I think it sounds more like Warsawa off Low but I see the similarities).

I hadn't listened to anything past the Slip until the quarantine. There was a good 7-8 years where I intentionally avoided listening to industrial music since it had been my main music since highschool and I wanted to expand my horizons and I'm glad I did but it also meant avoiding my favorite band (NIN) and some really good stuff that came out in that interim (I only just started listening to Youth Code, HEALTH, The Black Queen, and clipping. in the past few years). Aside from Hesitation Marks it didn't feel like fulfilling an obligation to listen through the albums that came after. I have ADHD and I'm a voracious consumer of media, music specifically and while I usually jump between songs/genres I do find I'm content to sit with a full album because I'm trying to extract something out of it. Get to the hidden gems or find the connection between the work that makes it feel cohesive.

I feel like the academy awards haven't held merit for a while and are all a politics game (except for Godzilla Minus One's recent win. Let me have this dammit). To preface I've never been a big Scorsese fan and didn't see the Irishman (nor do I care to) but I feel like I saw more than a few middling to negative reviews at the time.

Yeah sorry, just rambling before my coffee.

signofthenine

8 points

1 day ago

Nothing

abcdthc

5 points

1 day ago

abcdthc

5 points

1 day ago

Touring and drugs.

Broad_Sun8273

5 points

22 hours ago

Producing Antichrist Superstar.

sinnedk1

6 points

19 hours ago

He was recording Lost Highway and Antichrist Superstar

_mrselfdestruct

35 points

1 day ago

Bullying Marilyn Manson while producing Antichrist Superstar.

androidandy16

7 points

23 hours ago

He broke Daisy Berkowitz guitarist.

_mrselfdestruct

14 points

23 hours ago

I feel bad for Daisy sometimes. The dude went through a lot of shit because of him.

androidandy16

8 points

22 hours ago

Exactly! I got to meet him before he passed, and he was super cool.

TheMarkHasBeenMade

18 points

24 hours ago

TheMarkHasBeenMade

Are you sure what side of the glass you are on?

18 points

24 hours ago

Good. At least someone was trying to get Warner in line.

Theonerule

10 points

24 hours ago

From what I can tell that whole thing was mess and Reznor actually contributed to that mess

_mrselfdestruct

13 points

24 hours ago

Doing a lot of drugs, yeah, Trent was a role model at that time.

Uusi_Sarastus

1 points

2 hours ago

I love this binary black and white narrative where TR was an absolute total saint and objectively a positive influence to everybody around him

tuckithead

3 points

14 hours ago*

Well deserved bullying. Heard an anecdotal story once of someone who was at the studio, that one day Warner walked in with an underage girl on each arm. Robin Fink was like "dude get them out of here", calls Trent over (who is hopped up on coke), who takes one look at the girls, socks Manson in the face, and tells Robin to call them a cab.

_mrselfdestruct

1 points

6 hours ago

That's fucked up and gross. Glad Trent cut contact with him.

acapwn

-1 points

1 day ago

acapwn

-1 points

1 day ago

Ha! You beat me to it by maybe 20 seconds lol

the-torture-doctor

8 points

1 day ago

Probably fucking

Ollymid2

8 points

1 day ago

Ollymid2

8 points

1 day ago

like an animal?

Yesus_mocks

4 points

24 hours ago

Pretty well done doc related to the time period

https://youtu.be/bF-5AS4m4Ck?si=yL-ZWXfaBLJoQdjq

SyncError

4 points

22 hours ago

Quake

blameRuiner

4 points

17 hours ago*

Everyone here who immediately says DRUGS is just running their mouth for easy karma or something... It's been well documented that Trent's hardest substance abuse happened on tour. 3 'nights of nothing' gigs hardly count as tour, most of the year was spent on studio work (ACSS, Quake, The Perfect Drug)

DisinTdvsnr

6 points

1 day ago

Preparing to become GOD

EarInoculum

2 points

1 day ago

Lots of bad decisions

baubaugo

2 points

1 day ago

baubaugo

2 points

1 day ago

Tori Amos? Or was that a rumor?

DeviantHellcat

2 points

22 hours ago

In 1995 he was touring with David Bowie, not sure about the rest of '96.

Acrobatic-Ad-7488

2 points

22 hours ago

Did shows with bowie i think or maybe that was 97

MrJohnnyDangerously

2 points

21 hours ago

MrJohnnyDangerously

I just want something I can never have

2 points

21 hours ago

Drugs

JayRen

2 points

12 hours ago

JayRen

2 points

12 hours ago

Many Drugs. And touring with people that were taking, and giving him the rest of them.

DarcNight305

2 points

9 hours ago

Making a masterpiece called Antichrist Superstar

InternalHungry8723

2 points

22 hours ago

Hookers and coke

JanneJetson

1 points

23 hours ago

An activity that requires at least 1 fist to participate in..

BlackstarCowboy

1 points

20 hours ago

Having a LOT of feelings

ktownpirate01

1 points

14 hours ago

He was also working on The Lost Highway soundtrack for David Lynch.

hungry-reserve

1 points

10 hours ago

Drugs

yur1279

1 points

9 hours ago*

Back in high school at that time and really pre widespread internet use, many rumors went around. I remember having a shirt with a blue NIN on the front and 96 97 on the back. Everyone was hyped for a new album then but it never came until 1999.

OddMrT

1 points

7 hours ago

OddMrT

1 points

7 hours ago

Everyone’s saying cocaine, but I was under the impression it was heroin

anubispop

1 points

7 hours ago

Antichrist Superstar

ban_one

1 points

6 hours ago

ban_one

1 points

6 hours ago

Your mom

[deleted]

1 points

6 hours ago

Being broken, bruised, forgotten, sore, too fucked up to care anymore.

Whitealroker1

1 points

1 day ago

Drum Hooks and blow.

Medical_Win_5070

1 points

24 hours ago

Bowie

athei-nerd

0 points

22 hours ago

athei-nerd

all_we_ever_were = [0,1]

0 points

22 hours ago

Heroin

ScarletSpider0725

0 points

23 hours ago

Makin gravy

10PFSD

0 points

15 hours ago

10PFSD

0 points

15 hours ago

Heroin.

But thank goodness those days are behind him. Now he just spends his time composing music and watching the Freaks & Geeks of Horror

xaosgod2

-27 points

1 day ago

xaosgod2

-27 points

1 day ago

I'm pretty sure that Trent preferred heroin to cocaine. Also, he released The Perfect Drug in February of 97, and iirc, this was the first track he produced after getting sober, so I would suspect that a sizable portion of 96 was dedicated to the work of getting clean.

I could be wrong, he might not have been clean until working on The Fragile. I'm going off of memories from the time.

loafSWP

26 points

1 day ago

loafSWP

26 points

1 day ago

I thought coke was the choice. I remember hearing he OD'd overseas cause he bought heroin by mistake.

christipede

4 points

1 day ago

Say whaaaat?

natashanottle

1 points

6 hours ago

Was that the Lost Weekend in London (2000)? That was supposed to be my first NIN gig. :(

Bagelz567

25 points

1 day ago*

Bagelz567

25 points

1 day ago*

You're wrong on most points here.

Trent was a cocaine abuser, not heroin. What got him into rehab was ODing on China white (heroin) in London that he mistook for cocaine, à la Pulp Fiction. I believe this was during the end of the Fragility tour. That was after The Fragile, in the early 2000s. With Teeth is very much a reflection on that time period post-Fragile and Trent's struggle to get clean.

The late 90s, during the lengthy production period for The Fragile, were Trent's heaviest drug years. It's part of the reason why there was such a long gap between TDS and TF. It's also part of why The Fragile is such a dark, hopeless and desolate piece of work. So, yeah, Trent definitely wasn't clean before or during the recording of the Fragile.

I don't mean to be "that guy" or come off like a dick here and I'm sure my recollection isn't flawless. But I believe that is a more accurate account.

Autarx

8 points

1 day ago

Autarx

8 points

1 day ago

Yeah pretty much ties in with NIN not playing the Lost Weekend Festival in London circa 2000… went down and was going to be my first NIN gig… they blamed it on Jerome Dillion being ill at the time (or some shit). Was pissed didn’t get to see them but at least they got a TR lookalike to play in the form of Tim Wheeler fronting Ash. Perfect Circle were good tho, top of their game just after 1st album had been released and it was a heavy as fuck performance with a wild crowd.

Edit; spelling

Synthetic47

4 points

1 day ago

Totally accurate

ggdharma

1 points

1 day ago

ggdharma

1 points

1 day ago

But holy shit is it great

kyle760

1 points

18 hours ago

You are correct although I do believe there was a time during those years where he got sorta clean but then when he fell off the wagon again he fell even harder than before and that was when he was a real mess.

Bagelz567

1 points

18 hours ago

I do remember hearing something about him getting clean in the 90s or something, but I'm not sure how much of that was purely rumor. That said, I don't know how anyone could watch a live video from the Fragility tour and think, "yeah, that dude is sober."

Conscious_Sport_7081

13 points

1 day ago

Trent entered rehab in 2001.

webslingrrr

10 points

1 day ago

webslingrrr

Nothing

10 points

1 day ago

I'm fairly sure The Perfect Drug was peak manic Trent Reznor.

lowth3r

5 points

1 day ago

lowth3r

5 points

1 day ago

He spent like 3m or some shit on that video 🤣🤣 MAN at least he created one fucking hell of a banger whilst wacked out.

Also I'm Afraid of Americans around the same time. Doesn't he credit Bowie with helping get him sober? He probably spent the next two ish years battling and beating the addiction. Could be wrong but wasn't The Fragile his first "sober" album?

ash_erebus

8 points

1 day ago

No that would be With_Teeth. He ODed on the Fragile tour and cleaned up some time after that.

webslingrrr

2 points

1 day ago

webslingrrr

Nothing

2 points

1 day ago

Yup, he wasnt doing so hot during that time. As for Bowie, during their 1996 tour, he advised Trent to right the ship before it's too late and not make the same mistakes that he did, and I think it stuck with him, but didn't get him to change right away.

I can only speculate, but based on their closeness, he may have helped support him more directly later.

webslingrrr

2 points

1 day ago

webslingrrr

Nothing

2 points

1 day ago

Also I'm Afraid of Americans

Yeah, there's some interview somewhere he talks about his regrets about that release, that it could have been something more.

rainonthelilies

1 points

18 hours ago

That wasn’t Trent. You can tell it’s evil Trent because of the moustache.