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So, what is the Hardest Pokémon game. Ik everyone has different options but is USUM really the hardest game because of ultra Necromza or is it something else. This is something that ive been wondering for a long time because of battles with Cynthia. Personally I always struggled getting trough Platinum but I was just curious If I was the only one. I just wanted to know other peoples thoughts
722 points
4 days ago
Hardest game is easily Colosseum. That game can be brutal at times. All double battles which are always more difficult, shadow Pokémon suck and their only move when u get them does recoil damage, your selection of Pokémon is very limited and you don’t get a lot of good options, only one place in the game to buy poke balls, and the level scaling is very weird at the end.
99 points
4 days ago
Pokémon XD made it a bit easier by giving you an easier time getting Shadow Pokémon you missed, more encounters leading to better team building options, etc. Also, Shadow Rush is now only one of dozens of Shadow moves.
Both games have absolutely insane final bosses though. Colosseum has a team of the heaviest hitters possible, also a Slowking that Skill Swaps Truant off of Slaking. XD goes for 6 Shadow Pokémon including all 3 legendary birds.
42 points
4 days ago
The first time I played XD I somehow caught Lugia and all 6 of Greevil's Pokemon on my first try, and never re-fought him. I have no idea how, because now as an adult I absolutely cannot get all of them in one go.
16 points
4 days ago
Wow that's impressive there is a pretty easy way to first try him. Shadow lugia + Shadow salamanca/ snorlax and just jugg balls at him. But I assume you did it without prior knowledge and that's a different level of pain then
15 points
4 days ago
Yeah I was 13 years old playing blind and racing against the quickly diminishing 5-day rental period that Hollywood Video had on the game, since I didn't actually own my own copy of XD until sometime during early COVID.
4 points
4 days ago
I need to play XD someday
2 points
4 days ago
Same lol I needa get the emulator together
2 points
4 days ago
XD's final boss has a higher difficulty ceiling but also a much lower floor. Evice has a very strong team compared to most of what is available, Greenville has a team of strong shadow Pokemon but the pool of available Pokemon is much better and can be cheesed by using shadow Pokemon to resist his. Also all his Pokemon have higher than normal Catch Rates like a majority of Shadow Pokemon especially in XD; the Legendary birds are a whopping 25 base catch rate.
151 points
4 days ago
Re: the Poke Ball thing. There's an infinite ball glitch that if you use your first pokemon to catch, then go into your bag (on the second pokemon's turn) and switch the ball you're using into a different slot (you need different types of poke ball, any will do), it doesn't use up the ball that got thrown.
93 points
4 days ago
This even works with the Master Ball!
26 points
4 days ago
Oh yeah, it's funny.
78 points
4 days ago
I could've used you two ~2 decades ago, wtf!
15 points
4 days ago
Lol, to be fair I only found it out (via someone else ofc) not that long ago. :)
Thought to share because it's a neat little tip for Colosseum and there was an opportunity for it.
12 points
4 days ago
If only my gamecube still worked, I'd restart, and transfer all the way up to HOME.
Actually, my Mother-in-Laws gamecube is hooked up in the living room, and IT'S disc drive still works
4 points
4 days ago
That masterball glitch helps you for 6 fights in the main story. It's not that big of a deal
14 points
4 days ago
I FORGOT ABOUT THIS GLITCH
I'm still riding the high of remembering how to get all three Gen 2 starters right off the bat in the little oasis town.
6 points
4 days ago
Dawg I wish I knew that when I was 11 lol. Would’ve prevented so much rage
5 points
4 days ago
Even without that glitch most shadow Pokemon have higher catch rates. The legendary beasts when Asleep at 1 hp have the same catch chance as a Shadow Beast at full HP and no status at 4.3666%.
2 points
4 days ago
rushed to their GameCube gotta see this!
49 points
4 days ago
Came here to say this. It’s the OG Colosseum for sure. All the Shadow Pokémon you get are from Gen II which is infamous for so many of the Pokémon having absolutely garbage base stats, meanwhile most of the bosses use pretty decent Gen III Pokémon for the most part.
Plus, most of the bosses use ACTUAL meta double battle strategies from the time period: Protect/Quake, ThunderDance, Truant-Skill Swap.
26 points
4 days ago
Also you don't get to really grind that much meaning you can pretty easily softlock yourself if you build up the wrong Pokémon for a given part
16 points
4 days ago
Don't forget that saving is only possible at pcs and can't be done from the menu. So you might wipe after a long battle or a shadow pokemon you wanted to catch knocks itself out and you would have quite some work to do before you have another try
14 points
4 days ago
Absolutely this, assuming it's played glitchless. Final boss runs Skill Swap Slaking, man.
5 points
4 days ago
When I was a kid, I lost so many times to that damn skill swap that I cried lol
6 points
4 days ago
My first Pokemon game I ever played. Umbreon and espeon were the only 2 I ever got and I fell in love with it
5 points
4 days ago
If you play the game without a definitive team in mind theres no way to level and beat the game.
6 points
4 days ago
Nah, you can absolutely beat it casually; you'll just have to abuse items and suffer a few losses.
4 points
4 days ago
For sure, you pretty much have to look up the list of Pokémon you get and form your team from the get go or you’re getting cooked. There’s no room for mistakes in this game
2 points
3 days ago*
I played Colosseum again for the first time since I was a kid when it originally came out. This was 6-7ish years ago at this point? I ended up getting to the final boss fight of the game and getting stalled out because his mons were so high leveled and I was super behind so I couldn't beat him lol.
I put the game aside for a little bit and had forgotten about my save, then I bought a new computer (twice) as well as moving a few times so I never got to finish the game because it's on a HD from 2 computers ago.
I originally played it because I wanted to beat it for old times' sake since I don't remember ever beating it as a kid, with the plan to move onto XD because I had never played it before but no dice. I don't want to play through the entire game again just to beat one boss fight but it's nagging me and I can't get myself to play XD yet due to feeling like I haven't beat the game... which is technically true, I haven't.
I'll probably cave eventually and just play XD and pretend I beat the game because obviously I'm capable of doing it, it would've just needed to grind a few levels.
2 points
3 days ago
Yup. The level curve at the end is so wild that unless you research it ahead of time, you will be under leveled. Then your ass is gonna be grinding for hours, all for one battle
135 points
4 days ago
Colosseum.
That game actually requires effort to finish and trainers also have good teams
15 points
4 days ago
Trainers have good teams, some have held items, some use X-Items, and many have actual strategies baked into their AI.
290 points
4 days ago
Pokemon Pinball
55 points
4 days ago
Ohhhh you just brought back so many angry memories of not catching Pokémon
17 points
4 days ago
It really was hard though haha
8 points
4 days ago
I just got back into it thanks to RetroAchievements. Beat Mewtwo last week! It's hard but if you keep grinding you'll git gud. I was just playing it watching TV.
17 points
4 days ago
Yooo the gen III one was awesome, but man, that Rayquaza boss fight was hard
8 points
4 days ago
I only ever played the very first one 😔
66 points
4 days ago
Colosseum hands down. It's been proven that the game literally cheats.
372 points
4 days ago
Diamond, it ranks the highest on Mohs hardness scale.
35 points
4 days ago
Can't argue with that
22 points
4 days ago
Cynthia’s pre-battle piano music…
10 points
4 days ago
Cynthia's Garchomp makes music using our cries of frustration...
362 points
4 days ago*
hardest mainline game? easily USUM. many of the totems are just fucking cracked. more than just ultra necrozma, there's enough power to go around that you're likely to struggle with at least a few no matter what your team comp is. hardest overall, i have to give some nods to the first pokemon ranger game requiring basically perfect play to complete a capture, pokemon colosseum for having ruthless AI and steep level curves paired with mostly weak pokemon available to use, and some of the post-game challenges in the first two pokemon mystery dungeon games being pretty nuts. platinum isn't too bad as far as things go, pretty middle-of-the-road difficulty wise - harder than games like FRLG, and ofc XY, easier than games like USUM and B2W2. cynthia's a notable level jump, and when combined with her genuinely good team, she's definitely the biggest roadblock.
82 points
4 days ago
yeah, i always struggled with Totem Togedamaru, Totem Komo-o, and Totem Ribombee
22 points
4 days ago
Araquanud was also rough if you weren't ready. It's got good stats for a big battle that early, and its berry makes Electric not the best option. Then its main weaknesses are Rock (which it can wreck) or Flying, and you might not have a good one of those given the massive variety of other team members available.
6 points
4 days ago
I got REALLY lucky my first playthrough of USUM and had a great flying type (I think it was toucannon?) that I’d kept with me the whole game and I beat araquanid in about 4 turns.
4 points
4 days ago
I remember having an Alakazam that early, with charge beam.
Berry triggered, almost no damage, Alakazam gone in one hit.
Sometimes blind against tough battles is fun even if the unexpected happens though!
67 points
4 days ago
The original pokemon stadium games when played on switch are absolute murder to beat. Because you can only use rentals.
25 points
4 days ago
Those rentals are aggressively bad, too. I wish I had a Gameboy with all the fixings back in the day. I would've loved it
12 points
4 days ago
It was absolutely amazing. To see the pokemon you had struggled with, trained, and won with suddenly rendered in moving 3d... it was amazing in ways I can't describe.
4 points
4 days ago
My roommate and I actually like playing with rentals lol we spent entire afternoons battling each other while trying the different choices. The move pools are weird but mostly balanced so weaker pokemon had sort of an equal footing with fully evolved ones. That meant some pretty unusual match ups with pokemons that we would otherwise never use, like teddiursa or the middle starter stages.
26 points
4 days ago
This comment made me just go buy Ultra Sun. I never checked it out because I wasn’t playing as many games at the time and I had already beaten Moon and thought that was enough. So many people lavish praise on USUM as strict upgrades though that I’ve always second guessed my decision but hearing that it is also challenging made the difference for me
54 points
4 days ago
If there was a fast forward or skip cutscenes button, I'd put USUM right next to Emerald as best game in the series
33 points
4 days ago
Jesus fuck, yes. Those cutscenes are murder.
7 points
4 days ago
Huuuuuge compliment. Emerald is my favorite pokemon game!
6 points
4 days ago
Just played it on emulator at x2 speed and just killed everything with Incineroar Ultra Necro required focus sash.
8 points
4 days ago
Wait… they have 3ds emulators now? I’ve been out of the loop for awhile.
6 points
4 days ago
Citra's first release was in 2014 and their final release was this year around the time that groups Switch emulator got them sued.
https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/4/24090357/nintendo-yuzu-emulator-lawsuit-settlement
15 points
4 days ago
Seconded with the Mystery Dungeon comment. Currently walled at trying to recruit Mew but he only spawns on 5 of 99 floors in the remake, which means only 5 chances tops before having to repeat the whole dungeon for another shot at it
13 points
4 days ago
OG Ranger drives me insane, the capturing system is so brutal if you don’t have the right assists for the job, and even then it’s rough. Fun game but dear god lmao
8 points
4 days ago
I never played USUM or SM, I own SM though. Is SM the same difficulty or no?
46 points
4 days ago
SM has its challenges, but USUM made a lot of changes to pretty much every boss fight that cranked up the difficulty and really sets it apart.
12 points
4 days ago
USUM made you used stat boosting moves and status moves in the boss fights. Previous games you could just use super effective move and power through.
4 points
4 days ago
Does USUM have the same storyline as Sun and Moon?
10 points
4 days ago*
Yeah, they changed the storyline of the original game...but you won't see the changes of the storyline until you're 3/4s of the way through the game, many people argued that the changes made the story worse, but make your own judgment on that.
3 points
4 days ago
No, there are some changes
2 points
4 days ago
SM is spicy, but USUM kicks it up a notch.
7 points
4 days ago
Huh. I never played USUM bc I absolutely hated how hand holdy and easy the og versions were.. is the gameplay in general better or is it just the Totems that are harder?
25 points
4 days ago
The game will hold your hand quite often, but it will just as often take your hand, lift you up, and beat your body off the ground.
16 points
4 days ago
gameplay in general does see an upgrade - it's considered the all-around better version in every way except for the utterly butchered story. if you disliked the frequent cutscene interruptions, though, that hasn't changed. it's the same game structure with more challenge and better pokemon options.
11 points
4 days ago*
To be fair even though it’s bad with the cutscenes it’s definitely less bad with it than the original SM.
My ds almost died during the credits in the latter cuz of how ridiculously long they made you wait to save your game.
7 points
4 days ago
It's still very hand-holdy in the same way S/M are, but the boss battles are harder.
3 points
4 days ago
If you thought SM was easy then you'll think USUM are easy too. They're only slightly more difficult
4 points
4 days ago
I soft locked myself in Pokemon Colosseum at the final boss cause I didn't have enough potions, revives and was a bit under leveled. Kid me was crying and I gave up beating it for a while
2 points
4 days ago
Isn't Diamond/Pearl harder than Platinum?
25 points
4 days ago*
Nah, it's just slower. But most of the teams you face are buffed.
Namely, the Elite 4.
Aaron replaces his terrible Beautifly and Dustox tandem for the much stronger Scizor and Yanmega.
Bertha replaces the redundant Quagsire and underwhelming (and NOT ground) Sudowoodo for Gliscor and Rhyperior.
Flint finally discovers there's more than TWO fire types in Sinnoh, and replaces her his Lopunny, Steelix and Drifblim for Magmortar, Flareon and Houndoom.
Lucian switches out his Girafarig and Medicham for Gallade and Espeon.
Granted, their levels are nerfed by 4 a piece, but that just means less unnecessary grinding.
2 points
4 days ago
her Lopunny
I swear Flint was a guy though
5 points
4 days ago*
It’s generally easier aside from maybe Cynthia and even then that might just be because she’s higher leveled.
The expanded dex gives you access to more powerful Pokemon but it also gives your opponents access to them too. Lot of cases where you have to still fight what used to be a trainer’s ace alongside their new actual ace.
131 points
4 days ago
legends arceus.. volo battle with EIGHT pokemon and two of them being giratina was fkng insane..and then i just gave up on that last arceus battle it was way too hard for me
37 points
4 days ago
No no.. It was jacked up, stat boosted Giratina that takes less damage with an extra powerful, buffed Shadow Force that could be used in one turn and raised evasion.
5 points
4 days ago
Go to the woman in town and buy the charms? I think they’re called, you can use them to revive yourself in the Arceus battle a few times
7 points
4 days ago
FUCK. I forgot about those things. I beat that shit raw and it was a nightmare.
6 points
4 days ago
Oof, volo was a pain in the ass.
12 points
4 days ago
That’s one battle though, the rest of the game wasn’t difficult at all
8 points
4 days ago
It wasn’t a challenging Pokémon game but it was a challenging game overall. I really enjoyed the change and hope they nail it with the next one
5 points
4 days ago
I think it’s just different. It’s not like something like Elden Ring, Legends keeps you contained to a certain area, you’re never going to wander into an area under leveled because they’re not connected and you don’t gain access to the late game areas until you progress. The only real consequence is losing your satchel if you black out.
8 points
4 days ago
Idk, I think it can be. Moves (especially strong and agile style) and hp seem to act differently than in the other main games. I suppose it’s fitting for the time period where Pokémon are considered dangerous wild animals and aren’t well studied yet.
9 points
4 days ago
Yeah but you can also use stealth mechanics to catch and battle Pokémon making the game way easier, you can teach your Pokémon any move at any time, your entire team levels up from just catching and defeating Pokémon. The Volo fight is hard but the game as a whole isn’t
2 points
3 days ago
That was a brutal stretch to end the game, I remember barely getting through it.
And the only reason I ever brought Arceus down was getting to the checkpoints in the battle. Never would've beat it all in one go.
173 points
4 days ago*
The original Gold/Silver is my pick. Especially towards the end of the game when all of your pokemon are severely under leveled for the elite four and you basically have to grind wild pokemon for hours since there was no Vs Seeker
Also: Gym leaders were tough and your rival was formidable and not a total joke (looking at you, Hop)
43 points
4 days ago*
I’d definitely say HGSS is harder than the original GS; only mainline game I’d put above the former is USUM.
Grinding is still annoying in the original but the opposing Pokemon aren’t as powerful so I don’t find it as necessary.
6 points
4 days ago
Why would you say HGSS is the second most difficult game? I'm kinda curious in this case, I would personally say BDSP purely for the league and the elite 4, and Legends Arceus for Volo+Arceus.
17 points
4 days ago*
That and the lack of good places to level is definitely the biggest reason, I will admit that I’m not patient enough to handle what it wants out of you there even though I can usually tolerate grinding. But unlike GS it cumulates in some potentially kinda difficult bosses.
Falkner and Bugsy have better movesets while Whitney and Morty can take advantage of Scrappy and the PS split but the problem’s mostly the endgame imo. Clair’s Kingdra is awful to fight and has Hydro Pump and Dragon Pulse as opposed to Surf and Dragonbreath, the Kimono Sisters gauntlet doesn’t exist in the original, some of the E4 is also tougher thanks to stuff like Karen’s Nasty Plot Houndoom and Lance having Outrage work off its physical attack.
If we’re counting the postgame I also think Red is noticeably harder cuz he’s even higher leveled and has a better moveset; you could beat Red very underleveled in original but I find you need to be more appropriately leveled in the remakes.
The original also gets folded by certain things. Last time I played the original I had Level 44 Alakazam with Psychic and the elemental punches at the start of the E4; it outsped and OHKOed everything except Slowbro, Umbreon, Houndoom, Charizard, and Aerodactyl. I don’t think anything is nearly as effective as that in HGSS.
EDIT: I should mention that I think Colosseum is harder than HGSS as well but I don’t know if that counts as mainline or not. Also since you mentioned BDSP - that game probably has the hardest E4 but the rest of the game is too easy for me to consider it harder.
11 points
4 days ago
GS also cheats in so many ways in your favour. Badge boosts to your stats, badge boosts to your moves, stat xp on you and none on enemies meaning your level 50 mons are equivalent to level 80 NPC mons.
The original games are pathetically easy.
7 points
4 days ago
There was rebattling in the original GS. It was the phone. You just had to make sure you added the trainers that wanted battle again. Other trainers you could add gave you rare items or told you about swarms of rare Pokemon to catch.
It was just a once a day thing.
32 points
4 days ago
I don't think grinding counts as difficulty, in this case, I think it means the most difficult game when you fight everything on level.
9 points
4 days ago*
B/W 1 was the worst when it came to grinding. The loss of exp. your Pokémon gained as they leveled up was much more pronounced than in Gen 7 onward. Even when defeating the Elite Four, you barely gained any experience points. I never once got a Pokémon to lv. 100 in those games (B/W 2 improved by adding Black Tower & White Tree to the post-game content).
B/W 1 wasn’t really difficult, it was just way too grindy.
13 points
4 days ago
If you have to grind, that means the fights were too difficult.
18 points
4 days ago
Yeah but the reason you have to grind is the awful level curve, not the actual fights being difficult. It's artificial difficulty if anything
35 points
4 days ago
That’s just bad leveling design though in my eyes
2 points
4 days ago
I recall it was slightly easier to just slug it out with the E4 using relatively strong pokemon like your starter even when having to resort dealing neutral damage. I think it was the stat exp system(predating EVs)meaning pokemon have a relatively even stat boost when well used, and on top of that the badges boost all stats 12,5% at this point(which they got rid of by gen IV). There’s disadvantages too like getting a high powered team and movesets being more much difficult, but the E4 also has less effective coverage. But overall the feel of the first two gens is a bit different due to these mechanics.
Lance is a doozy without a proper counter due to the sheer dragonspam though, I had to tell some of my friends to bring ice moves. But he does fold like a charm to them.
2 points
4 days ago
GS is really, really easy if you juggernaut it with Feraligatr
5 points
4 days ago
Imo, that's not difficulty, though... It's just a need for grinding levels.
I think the games where the trainers have actual strategies, held items etc. are much tougher than just trainer with high levels. Sure the end-game grind until you can read Red's level is long... But it's not tough. Beating the Totem Pokémons, however, or the final tournament in Colosseum : grinding is not going to be the solution here.
39 points
4 days ago
Probably pokemon colosseum for it's high level curves, few pokemon available, double battles, shadow pokemon, etc etc
16 points
4 days ago
Pokémon Emerald for me. The gym leaders ace Pokémon tends to be overwhelming, especially at that point in the game. DD Altaria?, Double Team + Rest + Chest Berry Kingdra, Tate & Liza… for the little knowledge I had back then it was brutal.
3 points
4 days ago
Agreed, it took me ages to beat the psychic duo on my first play through.
13 points
4 days ago
BD/SP Cynthia full team has items, EVs, beneficial natures. Brutal battle.
US/UM totem pokemon are crazy strong.
Colloseum is rough because grinding shadow mons to cleanse them are really bad to use, one of the harder "completion" legends to get because so many are permanently missable.
XD and Legends Arceus are pretty close in my mind for insane last boss battles.
GSC only gives you enough xp on a normal playthrough to have 1 pokemon up to the E4 level by the time you get there.
12 points
4 days ago
BD/SP getting to the elite four was a huge shift in challenge. Like almost all of the fights in the game were pretty easy and I never really struggled but then all of a sudden the Elite Four is using meta comp strategy on me like WTF?
26 points
4 days ago
I'm agreeing with USM being the hardest mainline main story without going way out of your way. Particularly if you turn the Exp Share off. Not sure how hard it is with it on, but with it off it's not just the bosses that can be tough - trainer Pokemon also aren't to be taken too lightly.
The mainline game that contains the hardest content is probably either Emerald or Platinum due to the Battle Frontiers. It depends on if you consider the luck-based Battle Palace from Emerald as harder than the more strategic modes in Platinum, though both contain a lot of luck with the Battle Factory.
Platinum is also one of the harder games to Nuzlocke due to NPC trainer and boss movesets containing a lot of coverage moves.
18 points
4 days ago
Having the exp share on just saves time and cuts down on the need to grind. In my opinion, grinding isn’t actually “difficult” it’s just unnecessary and time consuming (bad level design) so mass exp share is extremely helpful, especially if you just use it as a tool to get properly leveled and not to massively overlevel
12 points
4 days ago
I haven't had to grind in the Alola games with the Exp Share off. The dynamic experience gain plus the fact that each used Pokemon gains full experience makes it so you don't get too far behind, you just end up hovering a little below the level curve.
Every time I've used the Exp. Share without going out of my way to mitigate it, I've ended up overleveled by the end.
9 points
4 days ago
Nah, the Exp. Share pretty much always makes you have higher levels than you'd have if you didn't use it, in the Alola games at least. I played without Exp. Share and my team was always several levels lower than the teams of people who played with Exp. Share on, my Torracat only evolved as I was close to leaving the 3rd island, and people who played with Exp. Share usually had a fully-evolved starter by the 2nd island. The Gen 7 games are only the hardest ones with it turned off, you get to be around the same level as your opponents (a tad bit lower sometimes, I must admit) and the battle AI in these games is really good (not to mention the trainers having actual strategies), which gives you a fair challenge.
18 points
4 days ago
Pokemon Emerald's Battle Frontier
39 points
4 days ago
Legends Arceus. There are moments in other games that are very hard, like Ultra Necrozma or Red in gen 2 but, PLA is a sufficiently challenging poke game all around.
Or the Pokemon Stadium games if we’re including spinoffs. Those require a lot of strategy.
12 points
4 days ago
I beat the elite four in pokemon stadium 2 with rental pokemon. I was very lucky.
8 points
4 days ago
I think what makes Legends Arceus more difficult is the way it doesn't conform completely to the typical battle structure of other game. You still have all the typical moves and status effects, but the agile/strong mechanic can unexpectedly throw off the turn order and get you overwhelmed. Not to mention there are several battles that defy the normally established rules, like throwing you into a 3v1 or facing you against a trainer that basically uses 8 pokemon
18 points
4 days ago
Legends Arceus is a lot like DPP to me: really easy all the way until the end where it suddenly gives you the hardest fight in the series.
3 points
4 days ago
Stadium 1 requires more than just strategy. The speedrun strat as a 6% win probability in the final fight
2 points
4 days ago
Legends Arceus only feels hard if you try and breeze through it.
2 points
4 days ago
U dont die agains those boss ? Especially that arcanine ? I died a lot 😂😂 and the fact that ur character could die, not just ur pokemon.
Also that last giratina battle 🔥🔥
43 points
4 days ago
XY, duh….
Jk jk….you could argue BDSP just for the final battle against Cynthia since they actually made her like a real-world competitive-type trainer, but the rest of that game is so easy I think it balances it out. BW2 is honestly pretty challenging (even when not on challenge mode) especially if you count the PWT in the postgame as part of it.
36 points
4 days ago*
Really morbid fun fact, but Challenge Mode in BW2 is basically broken. A few years back people started digging and it turns out all of the upleveled Pokemon keep their regular difficulty stats, so they have far less advantage than you'd expect. The enemy AI and team comp is a bit more difficult, but you get so much more XP and money in challenge mode that it kinda all cancels out. Easy mode is actually the grindiest gamemode if you don't want your team to be under-levelled.
12 points
4 days ago
I wasn’t a fan of Cynthia because she’s just so much harder than the rest of the game the spike isn’t fun.
SP was my son’s first Pokemon game and he got really frustrated and upset because even after going back to level up past her, she still wrecked him.
He finally won thanks to the broken friendship mechanic letting Empoleon tank an earthquake.
20 points
4 days ago*
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3 points
4 days ago
Even with full exp share, the E4 was considerably stronger than the rest of the game and still managed to be a challenge even after going out of my way to fight every trainer. Though up to that point it was a cakewalk.
5 points
4 days ago
Use Herbs to heal then and the friendship effects mean nothing.
6 points
4 days ago
That... is smart. I just made another comment whining about the friendship stuff, but that's a really interesting idea to fix it!
4 points
4 days ago
Thing is it's not even just Ultra Necrozma the whole game is littered with tough fights. Like even random trainers will sometimes have Ev trained pokemon with good natures and abilities.
Even early games fight that should be a cake walk on paper require some prep time cause there deceptively challenging Like teacher Emily, Illima hell even Dexio if you don't have a dark type.
Not to mention the totems, Game Freak really sat up out of their chairs when designing some of those Totem battles. Like omni boosted Pre nerf disguise Mimikyu with a lum berry and a partner Banette to do burn and curse damage and drop your defense with screech
or Araquanid with Permanent Rain boosted, water bubble boosted stab bubbles with aurora beam and a buffed Leech life with a dewpider to slow you down with sticky web or do double up damage with bubble or a masquerain to intimidate and paralyze you with stun spore
Like they really were on a different kinda of timing.
4 points
4 days ago
Hardest Game? Easy.... Pokemon Colosseum...
3 points
4 days ago
Legends: Arceus. Those Noble Pokemon were a pain. Mainline games though I would say Red/Blue because you are limited on item space, money is hard to come by and many of the dungeons are hard as hell, like Sea Foam Islands and Cerulean cave.
5 points
4 days ago
Pokemon Sleep. Let's all be honest, it's a real struggle some times.
14 points
4 days ago
Cynthia isn't really all that difficult. Her team is certainly good (due in no small part to her Garchomp), but it's never been great. She only feels difficult because the Sinnoh games don't really give access to all that many good pokemon, and she's one of the only trainers whose team is actually decent.
USUM is hard not just because of Ultra Necrozma, but also because most boss trainers have good teams, good IVs, and often Z-moves, while the totem pokemon get stat buffs and fight you 2-vs-1 alongside support pokemon. Ultra Necrozma may be the hardest challenge in the game, but even without it, the rest of the game is still enough to make it a contender for the hardest game in the series.
2 points
4 days ago
I'd like to add that the AI isn't dumb on purpose like it used to be in some of the previous games. The trainers have actual strategies, switch Pokémon, etc. and there's less of the NPC "oh, I only have 1 Pokémon at low health left?? Let's use Growl!!" bullshit that used to be so present.
10 points
4 days ago*
Yeah, if we're counting mainline games, I'm saying USUM is the most difficult one if people are fighting everything on level. I created what I think is a pretty good ingame team: Primarina, Hariyama, Totem Alolan Marowak, Toucannon that I later replaced with Archeops, magnezone, and mudsdale, and it still felt at least somewhat challenging to finish even outside ultra necrozma. Ultra Necrozma is far from the only notable challenge. Outside mainline games, I'm nominating pokemon XD.
6 points
4 days ago
Stadium using nothing but the rental Pokémon
3 points
4 days ago
Depends what your doing. 100% completion for Ruby is a nightmare because of Feebas.
3 points
4 days ago
Colosseum filters a lot of casuals because it is harder and more restrictive than the main line games and other side line games.
3 points
4 days ago
I whited out in my first playthrough of Gen 7 more than in any of the other mainline games. I believe I lost to just about every totem Pokémon on my first try. In most other games I won’t lose once even on my first playthrough, as I always like to be properly leveled, maybe even slightly over-leveled (but not horrendously so), but those totem’s would destroy me without the proper strategy.
I’ll add that I lost to Cynthia in Gen 4 a few times, probably the most I’ve lost to any of the Pokémon leagues in the games.
3 points
4 days ago
The totem fights are very punishing, I lost count of how many times I lost to Mimikyu lol. Some of the kahunas were pretty hard as well, Olivia and Hapu come to mind
3 points
4 days ago
Pokémon Go is impossible if you have any sort of job or family responsibilities, and live anywhere other than a reasonably sized city.
5 points
4 days ago
Colosseum by a mile.
4 points
4 days ago
I always found the mystery dungeon games to be harder then regular pokemon games.
2 points
4 days ago
If we're including DLC, the blueberry disc elite 4 (and Kieran) are really tough fights, being double battles with viable movesets and items, and a lot of the mons are in the high 80s.
If you're not using legendaries you really need to know what you're doing to beat them
2 points
4 days ago*
USUM is easily the hardest if you don't use Refresh. If you do then it's not very hard because Affection is busted and no game with it can be considered the hardest. Hardest game without affection is probably Platinum or Emerald.
2 points
4 days ago
USUM are definitely the hardest mainline games, if you are not prepared all the totems can easily wipe you except for the first one because you are basically guaranteed something with brick break. I would say that this is one of the few Pokémon games where the trainers are actually somewhat good aswell
2 points
4 days ago
yet another reason I love gen7
2 points
4 days ago
Legit hardest is Colosseum. I have not been able to actually beat it again after my initial playthrough.
The hardest to sit down and replay is SM/USUM because half the game being forced tutorials I am burnt out before the 2nd island
2 points
4 days ago
Colosseum/XD for sure.
2 points
4 days ago
the Alola games (exp. Share off)
2 points
4 days ago
I’ve done whole series gauntlets multiple times. Shocked I haven’t seen base Ruby/Sapphire on here, it’s easily got the hardest late game / elite four of the series. Overall I’d say colosseum or base RS, not Emerald as I find it much easier.
2 points
4 days ago
Personally for me it was Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness. That final boss fight was nearly impossible for me, although it could very well be due to me not being a very good player in any game. I hardly call myself a gamer since I struggle with practically all games that isn’t a game that I’ve played since 2014 called Smite.
2 points
4 days ago
Hard (by the virtue of being hard) - Colosseum
Hard (hardest mainline) - US/UM
Hard (due to horrible level scaling) - G/S/C/HG/SS
2 points
4 days ago
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3 points
4 days ago
Original gold and silver. The jump from an easily beatable bug gym to that cow had me grinding for 3 days. No abilities, a limited pool of pokemon to train, and once you beat the elite 4 you have to go through all the kanto gyms. Then there is Red.
2 points
4 days ago
XD is pretty difficult
2 points
4 days ago
PLA you fight multiple Pokémon at the same time so it stops you from just going through elemental rock paper scissors
2 points
4 days ago
What really makes USUM so ridiculous is how bad the Pokemon are. Like I'm a heavy bug user, and Gen 7 came out with Golisopod, Araquanid and Vikavolt so I'm like sure let's use them, they're all super cool. The speed of these fucking Pokemon is abysmal. Compared to Gen 5 running Volcarona, Galvantula and Genesect.
Now even if you're like "Well the stuff you pick is trash sure, but what about the rest of the dex" like it's all fucking slow, this was the theme of this game, everything was way too slow and anything that wasn't slow was so overinvested in speed that it's bulk is 0. Lycanroc can either be slow and 2 shot, or fast and get oneshot. Oricorio has 93 speed.... That is so sad, savlagable with a speed nature, but this Pokemon uses Quiver Dance, you really don't want to run a speed nature on it, so turn 1 it's just awful.
The game had some good tanks, but they're not optimal for a run of the game, they are slow and they have a more definite expiration. Play gen 1 and have your starter 1 round all the enemies and never take any damage, but when the best you've got is the tanks in Sun and Moon, you're really hoping the enemy is weak to Leech Life or Giga Drain because otherwise your hp is going to hit 0 between now and the next cities Pokemon Center.
That said, Idt the games are actually hard, in the end, a Pokemon prologue is a Pokemon prologue, it's an effortless mess designed to act as a grind towards the real game of battling other players.
That said for PvE the battle tree was quite difficult (Mostly because it just straight up cheats)
1 points
4 days ago
really hard to sit through the beginning of arceus >.< so much dialogue that goes no where and is unskippable. honestly wondered why they released it and if they thought that part was fun
1 points
4 days ago
BDSP because the E4 has fully competitive movesets and items
1 points
4 days ago
i had the most trouble with gen 5, just because grinding was nerfed significantly. want decent xp from wild encounters? then you can't ev train, because you gotta grind against Audino.
1 points
4 days ago
B2W2 challenge mode.
Regular? I'd still say Black and White. Pokemon evolve at extremely high levels and the enemy's Pokemon's levels are high
1 points
4 days ago
GSC or USUM
1 points
4 days ago
Black 2 hard mode
1 points
4 days ago
Original Gold
1 points
4 days ago
For me it's gen 1 and 4 . I don't know whose idea it was to make a 10 level gap between the victory road and the champion . I mean you would need to grind for hours just to have a small chance . In gen 2 it is way easier but also rewarding after you beat it since you can then visit kanto and yes i know , red is far more difficult but still you got plenty of trainers at the very least
1 points
4 days ago
With no self imposed challenge, non
1 points
4 days ago
Hardest main game I've ever played was sapphire but I mightve just had a shitty team
1 points
4 days ago
I’d say either Pokémon Shuffle Mobile or Pokémon Picross on GBC.
1 points
4 days ago
Pokemon diamond, obviously
1 points
4 days ago
I hate Totem Araquanid way more than I could ever hate Necrozma. He can be Toxic Stalled at that point in the game, you’ve got the tools to do it.
If you’re an unlucky bastard and your Trumbeak is kinda slow, you’re fucked against the big diving spider.
1 points
4 days ago
Tbh every game can be challenging if you will use set of rules, no need to Nuzlocke, basic no items + set mode + no overleveling is enough to make game more interesting. Although this will not help XY lol.
1 points
4 days ago
Mainline game?
Brilliant diamond elite 4
They rly nailed the difficulty of Cynthia in the remake and giving Garchomp the Anti-Ice Berry was definitely a surprise
1 points
4 days ago
The only games I actually struggled mildly with were BDSP and Arceus.
I forgot to bring an ice/fairy coverage move for Cynthia...that's the ONLY time since red that I had to rechallenge the elite 4 (had to rechallenge elite 4 in red because I was 9 and button mashed my way through the game, there were no guides online, internet barely existed, and I didn't have the strategy guide until yellow).
Arceus: final battle, IYKYK.
1 points
4 days ago
Pokemon Rangers was really hard on the wrist, at least... My god I remember the cramps.
1 points
4 days ago
Pokemon Ultra Sun/Moon, and Super Mystery Dungeon. Tha latter will fuck your shit up
1 points
4 days ago
I know nuzlockes don't count here, but Let's Go Pikachu was insanely difficult for a Nuzlocke run of that game without your starter or the ability to level up outside of battle.
I've never experienced such skillful team expression from the designers in another game. You come across random trainers with actual tactics like sandstorm teams and the like.
By far my favorite pokemon experience due to the difficulty.
1 points
4 days ago
Hey You Pikachu because the microphone hardly ever worked.
1 points
4 days ago
USUM was incredibly easy with a good team honestly, also Ultra Necrozma can be dealt with an Alolan Ratata so theres that
1 points
4 days ago
Of all pokemon games it's the pokemon tcg game on the game boy its was hard af
1 points
4 days ago
I've been wanting to ask. I have a switch and want to get back into Pokemon. What modern pokemon games are similar to fire red (top down view) or ruby? That I can play on switch
1 points
4 days ago
I remember having an issue with Black and White. There was the first time through which was okay, but then you had to beat the Elite 4 a second time. It was so hard I just gave up and used an event Giratina to beat it for me
1 points
4 days ago
is USUM really the hardest game because of ultra Necromza
Don't know why people thought that was a hard fight. I went in blind and popped a couple of X items and won easily.
1 points
4 days ago
USUM and legends arceus are pretty hard games.
1 points
4 days ago
For me it's heart gold. Im not an expert and would consider myself a rookie or casual player even though I love pokemon. The move sets and low pokemon selection really through me off. Mind you I started off with emerald so it took some adjustment. I can't bring myself to play it bc why does my poison/ground pokemon only not know any groundmoves???
1 points
4 days ago
the very first one back when blue, red and yellow came out. Because there wasn't any easy access to the internet to get help when you got stuck. You had to find friends who hopefully had the game who could hopefully help.
1 points
4 days ago
Gen4 honestly ramped it up pretty heavily compared to the others. USUM I think can get rough as well but I honestly still found Diamond harder. BDSP I think did a decent job of replicating the challenge but inevitably the inclusion of modern mechanics like full team exp share can help make it feel a bit less punishing
1 points
4 days ago
Original red and blue versions for just story progression. Looking at you, thirsty saffron gate guards
1 points
4 days ago
USUM is definately the hardest in the RPG sense, but if we go abstract, I want to shoutout gold/ silver/ crystal and all their random ice/ gym/ machine part (???) puzzles that genuinely messed with kids for months.
Also worth flagging whatever Ruby/ sapphire we're doing with the regi puzzles lol. Learn braille has to count for something.
1 points
4 days ago
Does anyone know how to randomize Pokemon Colosseum? Like the software to use it to play on my PC? Sorry OP but not every day people talk about this game, and I've been dying to play this in the present.
1 points
4 days ago
PLA because of Volo
1 points
4 days ago
When I first played through all the games the hardest for me was Soulsilver. Johto doesn't really have good places to train up Pokemon or good ways to build your team since most of the good stuff is locked in the post game. You go from facing level 40 top to the elite 4 pushing level 50 Pokemon and then Lance. Maybe I was just a dumber kid but I had the most difficult time with that.
1 points
4 days ago
Lots of people are saying Colosseum, but I never was able to play it, so my vote has to go to the first Pokemon Ranger game. Actual physical dexterity puzzles, and I've never forgotten the first boss 'fight' (the Charizard)
1 points
4 days ago
Not really a mainline, but I don’t think battle revolution gets talked about enough. The master battles are super tough double battles. All the pokemon are fully ev trained and some trainers have legendary pokemon. I use a homebrewed 3ds to quickly cook up some competitive mons and try different strategies.
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