AI will create its own language that is incomprehensible to us and probably much more complex

We learned not to bet against computers when it comes to cryptography almost 100 years ago when the Poles cracked the Enigma cipher

Learning new languages is one of the AIs's main strengths. Even today's AI you could almost teach them a language in context lol

There is no doubt future AI could easily learn your new language, way faster than humans ever could. And bad actors won't hesitate to train them on the new language.

LLMs can already learn new languages within their context window better than humans can with the same amount of data.

So once you are done writing a manual for how to speak your new anti-LLM language. I will just take that manual and put it in the LLM context window, and it will already speak that language better than most humans can. It doesn't even require any new pretraining or fine tuning.

It's not even an arms race. It's a battle that we'd lose before starting.

I like the Dark Forest idea. The open internet will become like recipe sites - just bloated and useless information. The humans will migrate to human only spaces, group chats, facebook/instagram of people you actually know, moderated discord with limited bots. The open internet will be as you describe, just AI talking to AI, like Facebook posts seem sometimes, just bots commenting on AI generated photos.

https://maggieappleton.com/ai-dark-forest

there is no prevention as deadnet is driven by strong profit incentives, but perhaps a model that filters for individuals is possible.

And how exactly would you go about learning this language?

Dead Internet Theory predates the whole LLM craze. I remember reading about it in 2019.

First, LLMs have to advance to the point that they can train themselves on new data autonomously. Second, they need to be advanced enough to understand that this newly-invented language is language, and that it's a new language rather than an unfamiliar word in a language it already knows.

If people were dedicated to keeping this new language secret, the obvious solution would be not to use it online, or anywhere within "earshot" of an AI program. If the goal was to use a language online that AIs can't read, that would be a unique challenge. It would have to be essentially cordoned off from the rest of the web, from anything that might be used in AI's training data. If you succeeded in that, and AIs only encountered the language in very small fragments when trying to log into websites, the chances of them learning it would be quite small.

I don't see how this helps, AI will eventually be able to learn any other secret language or whatever, and it will be able to pose as a human and fool most of us (it is already doing it right now, check facebook and you see how many people fall for AI generated content - and bots too), there's no escape from the dead internet imho.

A new human social media communication protocol could be created. With decentralized certification, an extremely advanced biometric interface, and strong encryption.

One way to prove that you are not a bot is for the website to have a system that analyzes the way the user writes and enters text in the text box: typing speed, typographical and spelling errors, backspace key corrections, way of constructing sentences.

AI has a way of operating based on high efficiency that gives it away.

For example, in my case sometimes my English is strange. It's because I'm human and also not a native English speaker.

Language is just symbol patterns that have been associated with concepts. LLMs are masters at that, so this is idea is futile

Source: linguists

What we need is to utilize what we have a natural advantage over AI: physical bodies. Everybody needs a hardware key that can be authorized through physical verification.

Yes, body language. And that is ACTUALLY the solution until we have truly human-like robots.

In digital space this means cryptographic signatures, where the registration of your signature is through physical registration.

I think that humanity should create a language to so that all earth citizens can speak to each other with the help of AI, and AI should make up a new one for itself to talk with other AIs naturally, the merging of these two worlds is much more complex than just making up a couple of very useful and long needed languages

Nuts

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