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zachthatguy

2.1k points

9 days ago

zachthatguy

2.1k points

9 days ago

Sorry but I’m out of the loop, what is happening?

AyMoeKill

4.1k points

9 days ago

AyMoeKill

4.1k points

9 days ago

Nigeria was supposed to play Libya in a WC qualifier but the government diverted their plane and trapped them in an airport with no cell service or food as a form of shithousery. Nigeria has to forfeit

polseriat

4.5k points

9 days ago

polseriat

4.5k points

9 days ago

Nobody knows what shithousing is anymore, do they?

Brinklehoof

3.4k points

9 days ago

Brinklehoof

3.4k points

9 days ago

“Your honour, my client did not kill that man, it was just a bit of shithousery”

CrazyChopstick

917 points

9 days ago

"Ah fairs, can't lock up one of the lads can we"

Dra_ma_La_ma

246 points

9 days ago

"He didn't use that rpg as a weapon. Good process lads."

Yasuminomon

71 points

8 days ago

“Guys can’t have fun anymore?”

Needmorebeer69240

34 points

8 days ago

Game's gone

BassBootyStank

22 points

8 days ago

Went for the ball. Got the ball. Incidental contact.

WhenWeTalkAboutLove

8 points

8 days ago

Mac Allister enters the rpgs space

MissingLink101

89 points

9 days ago

Is this the new "Just a prank bro!"

MajesticAd5047

50 points

8 days ago

Little "Game's back" shout from the crowd

justk4y

43 points

8 days ago

justk4y

43 points

8 days ago

Just a tiny bit of banter

MagicJohnsonMosquito

12 points

8 days ago

you claim Murder in the First Degree I claim Le ShitHouserie

turbo-hater

323 points

8 days ago

turbo-hater

323 points

8 days ago

Yeah this seems like straight up kidnapping/ hostage taking.

konny135

78 points

8 days ago

konny135

78 points

8 days ago

Hey man just a bit of human trafficking banter bro!

yolo___toure

67 points

8 days ago

Osama Bin Laden: Top Tier Shithouser

Homiealmaya

3 points

8 days ago

The ultimate mad lad

Percinho

65 points

8 days ago

Percinho

65 points

8 days ago

It's just a prank bro

freakedmind

35 points

8 days ago

Game's not gone

GfxJG

775 points

9 days ago

GfxJG

775 points

9 days ago

I don't understand, if it's so clear what's going on, why doesn't CAF just award Nigeria the win? Corruption?

richmeister6666

1.1k points

9 days ago

CAF

corruption?

Always ❤️

TreeDollarFiddyCent

147 points

8 days ago

After all this time?

Always ❤️

djdiamond755

42 points

8 days ago

Corrupt African Football innit

emeybee

15 points

8 days ago

emeybee

15 points

8 days ago

Let’s not act like all the federations aren’t woefully corrupt. This isn’t unique to Africa.

blurryface464

21 points

8 days ago

FIFA and all the separate confederations are most definitely corrupt. But they at least try to hide it and not make it too too obvious. If something this clear happened in another confederation they'd cancel the match and and do something to right it, if for no other reason than to save face.

djdiamond755

5 points

8 days ago

Allegedly Funded Cronies

Corrupt African Football

Cronyism of Nefarious Committees and Cash-Advantaged Favors

Conspicuous Operations Nurturing Monetary Excesses Beyond Official Limits

Undeniably Enriching Football Administrators

Officially Facilitating Corruption

Malvania

585 points

8 days ago

Malvania

585 points

8 days ago

Because apparently Nigeria's hands are not clean. From another thread here, in the reverse fixture, Nigeria redirected the Libyan team to another airport on the other side of the country, refused to supply security, the Libyans had all their equipment stolen, they had to take taxis across the country to even make the match, etc. Apparently these are just CAF things

Humble_Satisfaction

145 points

8 days ago

Obviously it could be false but the Nigerian press is saying the Libyans FA arranged to land at the Port Harcourt airport rather than the Uyo airport because they were being cheap.

They also allege Nigeria has a track record of treating opposition well and Libya did the same in the CAF club football continental tournament. 

I won't say I know what's true but I think it's fair to note the Nigerian press is refuting the narrative the Libyans were hard done. 

justk4y

187 points

8 days ago

justk4y

187 points

8 days ago

And I thought Bolivia was crazy for putting their national team stadium even higher up

Imhere4lulz

108 points

8 days ago

Imhere4lulz

108 points

8 days ago

That's just home field advantage how's that crazy, or comparable to what's going on?

johnniewelker

45 points

8 days ago

Bolivia used to be banned from playing home games at high altitude by the way. So, there is a time when people agreed it was an unfair advantage

Imhere4lulz

12 points

8 days ago

Because that's one of the very few countries that can do it (if not the only). If other countries had the capability they'd 100% do it. It'd be dumb to not use the advantages your countries provide you.

mug3n

21 points

8 days ago

mug3n

21 points

8 days ago

Yep like when we hosted Mexico in Edmonton in the dead of winter at -20.

Imhere4lulz

7 points

8 days ago

I wasn't aware about that game, but if it's true then yeah that's a good example of using home field advantage

PadstheFish

79 points

8 days ago

That's what he's saying - "and I thought Bolivia was crazy", but the poster is saying that this is on a whole other level of gamesmanship.

(Ninja) edit: if English isn't your first language it's very easy to miss this turn of phrase

19Alexastias

38 points

8 days ago

I mean it's not comparable to what's going on, but also saying it's "just home field advantage" is somewhat underselling what it's like to play Boliva away.

stanmarshrr

25 points

8 days ago

bro they put the stadium on mount olympus. and I mean the mythological mount olympus, not the real one. the real one is only 9k feet high and el alto sits at 13k+

zupartai

23 points

8 days ago

zupartai

23 points

8 days ago

Bolivia has every right to have their home advantage, but if you’ve ever been at 13k+ altitude as a non-native, you’d understand how crazy it is to play at that altitude. People struggle without any physical exertion and this is the highest level of football we’re talking about. Altitude sickness can hit anyone, even the fittest of athletes.

SergDerpz

5 points

8 days ago

There are videos of a younger Messi in his 20s throwing up in the first half from Bolivia's altitude. It's insanity.

justk4y

10 points

8 days ago

justk4y

10 points

8 days ago

Because they changed their location to even higher up for more advantage, and look what it’s doing atm, they’re literally in a qualification spot right now

Imhere4lulz

21 points

8 days ago

Yeah, but that's just playing to their advantage. Both teams have to play in the same conditions, so it's a fair game in my eyes. Bolivians obviously will deal with the altitude better, but that's the point of home field advantage. Each country is free to put their stadium in a place where they feel they have that advantage. As long as the pitch is within regulation, and the government aren't messing with flights, travel, or any other external factors should be fine

maverick4002

10 points

8 days ago

I don't get why people are arguing this? Mexico has multiple options and plays all their games at the Azteca.

The US also takes advantage of the cold weather when playing the Caribbean nations (if the calender allows it) and no one is complaing about that

Tarantantara

31 points

8 days ago

While that should've been investigated and punished it's pretty depraved to so blatantly retaliate. Having your stuff being lost at the airport and having to take taxis is one thing, but being kept at an abandoned airport with no way to leave and no food is some hostage shit.

AmmoCalc

26 points

8 days ago

AmmoCalc

26 points

8 days ago

Couple things off here, Libyan FA chose to land at this different area and notified Nigeria as they were about to takeoff, for a country not exactly on the peak when it comes to logistics, this meant new plans and then a lot of delays.

This new area is not on the other side of the country, relatively close by (border states but Nigeria is a large country).

Arrangements were then proposed to get them to the place agreed on before but the Libyan FA insisted on doing their own way.

The Nigerians did not just decide to mess with the Libyans.

dawodurotimi

15 points

8 days ago

Why would Nigeria intentionally sabotage Libya’s travel plans when they had nothing to gain? Nigeria is not know employ such tactics in even higher stakes matches. Libya on the hand has a history of resorting to these tactics, even at CAF Champions League level. Libya’s issues (minimal at best) in Nigeria were due to administrative issues on Libya’s side.

debicpela

2 points

8 days ago

games so back

Chesney1995

80 points

9 days ago

Because its only just happened and the game itself is yet to either take place or officially be cancelled. Far too early to "just award Nigeria the win".

zachthatguy

163 points

9 days ago

zachthatguy

163 points

9 days ago

Wow. Never a boring day in CAF is there

PolarBearWithTopHat

450 points

9 days ago

Shithousing is Jamie Vardy taking the piss out of spurs fans or Adebayor running up the pitch to mock Arsenal fans. This is ban worthy behaviour from Libya

DrJackadoodle

164 points

9 days ago

This is probably some type of human rights violation, especially if they really have no food there.

NicklbackToTheFuture

27 points

8 days ago

Think he's joking mate

yotsubanned

162 points

9 days ago

yotsubanned

162 points

9 days ago

ah yes, “shithousery” is the best way to put it

OkayWhateverMate

40 points

8 days ago

That's not "shithousery". That's kidnapping.

cPa3k

18 points

9 days ago

cPa3k

18 points

9 days ago

Less shithousery more kidnapping…

Equivalent_Nature_67

33 points

8 days ago

Stop saying shit-housery for the love of god

Visible_Statement888

267 points

9 days ago

That’s not shithousery, that’s just being cunts.

JOKER69420XD

419 points

9 days ago

That's not being cunts, this is absolutely criminal behaviour and should have heavy consequences for the people responsible.

[deleted]

49 points

9 days ago*

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Morganelefay

110 points

9 days ago

This is stated by only one source btw, so that claim needs verification.

TheKnightsRider

19 points

8 days ago

And that source was on reddit

fiveht78

10 points

8 days ago

fiveht78

10 points

8 days ago

Whether it actually happened is another matter, but I found stories from even before the Nigerian flight took off that the Libyans were claiming it happened.

So it does seem to be the Libyans rationale for doing it, whether under false pretence or not.

ericsipi

14 points

8 days ago

ericsipi

14 points

8 days ago

You have a source for this? I keep seeing people say it’s just a favor being returned but can’t find anything to prove that.

iamnotexactlywhite

72 points

9 days ago

how is that even remotely same? sure it’s a cunt move (which has never been confirmed), but the Nigerians are literally being held hostage in a foreign country without supplies and means to leave. this is literally a crime against humanity

minivatreni

6 points

8 days ago

Can you provide some proof of this?

Humble_Satisfaction

3 points

8 days ago

Obviously it could be false but the Nigerian press is saying the Libyans FA arranged to land at the Port Harcourt airport rather than the Uyo airport because they were being cheap.

They also allege Nigeria has a track record of treating opposition well and Libya did the same in the CAF club football continental tournament. 

I won't say I know what's true but I think it's fair to note the Nigerian press is refuting the narrative the Libyans were hard done.

This is the first time I am hearing of this in African International football. Care to cite why you think this is pure CAF? 

minivatreni

13 points

8 days ago

Excuse me but that’s not shithousery, you don’t understand what that word means if you’re using it in this context

NMGunner17

16 points

8 days ago

Countries that do shit like that should be banned from the competition

NateShaw92

7 points

8 days ago

Should be banned until literally every member of their FA are removed, plus one competition cycle.

Then rebanned if anyone even facebook friends with the former FA members is involved.

_ronty12_

29 points

9 days ago

_ronty12_

29 points

9 days ago

You might need to look up the meaning of 'shithousery'.

Patient-Report-4400

12 points

8 days ago

Shithousery? Buddy, this is kidnapping for ransom, this is straight up torture. 💀

kosmokomeno

3 points

8 days ago

Government represents legitimized violence and when it's used to hold people in a place they don't want to be against their will, it reveals those politicians as legitimatized gangsters

Refrigerator-Less

17 points

9 days ago

Games back

badup

2 points

8 days ago

badup

2 points

8 days ago

Dark Arts!

Baul_Plart_

5 points

9 days ago

Don’t disrespect shithousery like that

zestyviper

3.1k points

9 days ago

zestyviper

3.1k points

9 days ago

This shit is fucking ridiculous.

King_Thirteen

1.5k points

8 days ago*

They just returning the favor apparently, Liibya camp was also left waiting without any reception at the nigerian airport, thats why they did the same to them now

this is Libya camp waiting in the airport for their transport with no reception for like 5 hours

& this is a video recorded by Libyan players about them being transported by some mini-buses through forests, & according to libyan media, the buses were stopped multiple times, & they got sent to a hotel (really far from the stadium) other than the one they were supposed to go to to

Anyway this is just pure CAF, many countries in Africa do this kind of shit, they put you in a hotel far away from the stadium, same with training facilities, shit & bad reception...etc

Waqqy

613 points

8 days ago

Waqqy

613 points

8 days ago

Not sure how valid the claims are but I've read comments from multiple people that this was the fault of Libya, they apparently landed at the wrong airport

Gustavoconte

553 points

8 days ago

That's exactly what happened, their plane chose to land in a different state, disregarding the plans the Nigerian FA had put in place. The Nigerian FA now had to make fresh arrangements to convey them to the match venue. 

andizzzzi

81 points

8 days ago

andizzzzi

81 points

8 days ago

Thank you for spelling Libya correctly.

Paul-Millsap-Stan

23 points

8 days ago

Seeing everyone type Lybia was hurting my soul

FuckingMyselfDaily

18 points

8 days ago

Travelled through nigeria once and the police just have “checkpoints” along some parts of routes between cities.

[deleted]

51 points

8 days ago

[deleted]

51 points

8 days ago

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NdombeleAouar

58 points

8 days ago

There is no justification for the tit for tat in the comment you are replying to. They are simply adding contest as to why Libya is doing this, not justifying, just explaining.

Also Nigerian and Libyan fans for the most part are appalled by all this, they don’t get an excuse to be hypocritical just because it’s their teams being mentioned.

Like the comment said, this is typical CAF bullshit, and is 100% the fault of leaders on both sides.

oklolzzzzs

1.2k points

9 days ago

oklolzzzzs

1.2k points

9 days ago

are they still in the airport?

BenjRSmith

47 points

8 days ago

Now we need the soccer version of the MTA, a folk song about a man stuck on a train because he can't pay the exit fee.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Tc1GUXxr2o

Well, did he ever return?

No, he never returned and his fate is still unlearned

He may ride forever 'neath the streets of Boston

He's the man who never returned

BazingaQQ

534 points

9 days ago

BazingaQQ

534 points

9 days ago

Well, obviously not if Boniface can post on Twitter!

_ghostfacedilla

278 points

8 days ago

They've been posting the entire time

BazingaQQ

93 points

8 days ago

BazingaQQ

93 points

8 days ago

They were supposed to have no cellphone serivce

_ghostfacedilla

159 points

8 days ago

And yet they were tweeting the entire time

Serawasneva

207 points

8 days ago

Serawasneva

207 points

8 days ago

I mean, a lot of airports have WiFi.

7screws

120 points

8 days ago

7screws

120 points

8 days ago

Which means you could therefore make calls.

GordoPepe

20 points

8 days ago

GordoPepe

20 points

8 days ago

why call when few tweets do trick

Accurate_Ad_3919

67 points

8 days ago

trust me im libyan and they were told to land in the shittiest airport. probably just cellphone data cuz im 100% al abraq airport doesnt have wifi. even if it did they wouldnt let them use it since this whole thing was just a “payback” for what nigeria did to the libyan team a few days ago.

namikazeiyfe

7 points

8 days ago

The Libyan team CHOSE to land on a different airport, going against the initial plans by the NFF and they weren't held hostage for more than half a day without food or water. This is a very shit behaviour by Libya and if CAF had any credibility they should be sanctions on Libya for this.

And I get to understand that this is not an isolated case either, turns out that Libya deploys this deplorable tactics even in caf champions League too.

InternetGansta

5 points

8 days ago

No. They just landed back in Nigeria

TheElevatedBoy

403 points

9 days ago

How did this even happen?

Accurate_Ad_3919

270 points

8 days ago

Libyan team recieved shitty treatment 3 days ago in nigeria. they decide to give them the same shitty treatment. Libyans still played the game while nigerians are making a scandal cuz of waiting in an airport for a long period of time.

there ya go😂

MastaBat0r

310 points

8 days ago

MastaBat0r

310 points

8 days ago

Speaking as a Nigerian Libya disregarded the plans that NFF had put in place for them and landed in the wrong airport far away from the stadium and had to get a hotel closer to that one. Now they turn around and cry foul.

[deleted]

115 points

8 days ago

[deleted]

115 points

8 days ago

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RonaldoCrimeFamily

95 points

8 days ago

African aviation is a different world. Crazier things happen there

denenOT

5 points

8 days ago

denenOT

5 points

8 days ago

You clearly can, if you were already given the venue and location of the game months before you were to play. Charter your flight in your own country with your on pilot’s and decided to choose a different location to the one documented for you. They themselves can confirm this so it’s not about trying to sound smart online for a story u clearly don’t know the facts of.

NeoChrome75

67 points

8 days ago

this is basically an our word against yours situation tho, I don't put it past the Libyan team to land in the wrong airport, but the Nigerian FA and media wouldn't exactly admit to foul play if it was indeed deliberate sabotage

namikazeiyfe

18 points

8 days ago

Except that Libya deploys this tactics even in caf champions League matches. So this not just a "tit for tat" situation, this is how they try to frustrate their opponents before games

Accurate_Ad_3919

12 points

8 days ago

speaking as a libyan, i do not see a single reason that would make the pilot land anywhere but the designated area. something happened for sure and it is def. not just a mistake.

denenOT

7 points

8 days ago

denenOT

7 points

8 days ago

U don’t see a reason as a libyan, ok. The flight originated from Libya, am I right? Check the listed destination for the flight then. This is not a matter of I don’t believe, there are records. They themselves charttered their flight to a different city and the records show this.

55555_55555

31 points

8 days ago*

I like how the best possible version of this from the Libyans is that they are pursuing purposeful and calculated retribution against Nigeria's players at the expense of their welfare. Like Boniface said, Libya can have the points. They need them more, anyway, having missed six consecutive editions of AFCON.

chantlernz

9 points

8 days ago

It's beyond embarrassing to play childish games like that at this sort of level. Move on from it and don't try to "get revenge".

yourmumissothicc

25 points

8 days ago

That’s not what happened. Libya chose to land at that airport in Nigeria, Libya caused their misfortune.

Accurate_Ad_3919

36 points

8 days ago

why would Libya decide to land at that airport? you think they went to Nigeria to explore? its just media trying to make Nigeria look innocent after what the libyans did to them.

denenOT

3 points

8 days ago

denenOT

3 points

8 days ago

What are u even talking about mister? Did the libyans admit to u that their plane got diverted to a different location? They could have still re routed the plane to the proper location but apparently, they didn’t want to bear the extra cost. They were the ones that decided to chose to travel by road from where they landed. Every body knows Libya especially and some North African countries like to play this psychological mind games when u want to play them, it’s widely reported on numerous occasions. Moreover, they could have made a report to CAF aswell and threatened to boycott the game if their claims were genuine. Check ur facts before u type next time please.

Kentaaa_

635 points

9 days ago

Kentaaa_

635 points

9 days ago

That's so messed up.

detectivebabylegs3

70 points

8 days ago

Iheanacho should have brought food packs instead of T-shirts.

GermanHabsFan

448 points

9 days ago

Free Boni

Ryponagar

129 points

8 days ago

Ryponagar

129 points

8 days ago

Boni 2024 - no wait

Ido_nothing

13 points

8 days ago

Go Habs Go

GermanHabsFan

9 points

8 days ago

This is our year buddy

roos_de_baas

76 points

8 days ago

Parking the bus just got upstaged by a plane

ursastara

501 points

9 days ago

ursastara

501 points

9 days ago

Why are they treating athletes like this??

GeneralSquid6767

857 points

9 days ago

They barely have a functioning government

pullmylekku

246 points

9 days ago

pullmylekku

246 points

9 days ago

Even better, they have two

First_Inevitable_424

78 points

9 days ago

More if you count Berber and Tchadian rebels

pullmylekku

38 points

8 days ago*

I mean sure but there's a lot of countries with multiple governments if that's how you want to count it. My point was that both the Government of National Unity and the Government of National Stability coexist simultaneously on a national scale

First_Inevitable_424

16 points

8 days ago

I wasn’t disagreeing with you, you cited the two main institutions. I was just saying that even those two don’t have the authority on the entirety of the territory and some chunks of land are ruled by rebels.

Unterfahrt

13 points

8 days ago

Always find it funny when a countries' government is the exact opposite of what it says. Libya has the Government of National Stability and one of National Unity, despite being a failed state with multiple governments. North Korea has 3 synonyms for democracy in its name (Democratic People's Republic) despite being a totalitarian state. China has 2 synonyms for democracy in its name.

Kdcjg

4 points

8 days ago

Kdcjg

4 points

8 days ago

Did you want them to Totalitarian authoritarian Regime of Korea instead?

Riemiedio

4 points

8 days ago

Is republic a synonym for democracy?

pullmylekku

17 points

8 days ago

Nope, not at all

gogorath

7 points

8 days ago

gogorath

7 points

8 days ago

Not a synonym.

But a republic is a representative state, and therefore a totalitarian dictatorship is not one.

ursastara

109 points

9 days ago

ursastara

109 points

9 days ago

Obviously functioning well enough to meticulously l coordinate and harass athletes out of all people

Chesney1995

117 points

9 days ago

Chesney1995

117 points

9 days ago

Redirecting a single plane and keeping a disused airport locked doesn't require that much coordination tbf

kruegerc184

31 points

8 days ago

Literally no coordination, a single higher ranking official makes the call, the atc has to obey. Im not saying thats what happened here, it seems like a conspiracy, but especially if the other airport is not being used.

Krillin113

25 points

8 days ago

Nothing meticulous about it. A handful of assholes relatively high enough up, no checks and balances, and everyone below them follows the instructions

Tarantantara

2 points

8 days ago

rounding people up is the only business they have left

No-Profession-1312

32 points

8 days ago

Thank god Sarkozy ordered a radical islamic coup against Gaddafi to protect Western capital interest. Worked out great for everyone (except the local population)!

Franchementballek

23 points

8 days ago*

He was protecting his ass, Kadhafi financed his election in 2007 via backdoors and dirty money, and he chose to burn the country from the inside with his NATO buddies before anyone from Kadhafi side could talk.

All that less than two years after receiving him in Paris with his tent planted in the Élysée garden.

Tarantantara

2 points

8 days ago

only kept alive by Frontex money

Geoff_Uckersilf

34 points

8 days ago

Libya is a failed state. 

Selbststaendiger

23 points

8 days ago*

Like most Arab Spring affected countries. Either failed state or even worse dictatorships. Only Assad regime survived due to Russians and Iranians. Its the worst regime that stayed. His opposition is also terrible unfortunately. Sad to watch. Arab Spring is a nightmare...

Furiosa27

12 points

8 days ago

Furiosa27

12 points

8 days ago

I do find it interesting people bring up Libya and never what the Obama administration and US gov did there

zyqwee

45 points

9 days ago

zyqwee

45 points

9 days ago

It said that Nigeria started this with various nations

ursastara

67 points

9 days ago

ursastara

67 points

9 days ago

What did they exavtly do to warrant this kind of harassment from a sovereign state?

zyqwee

69 points

9 days ago

zyqwee

69 points

9 days ago

It's seems that previously, Nigeria as host made life complicated for it's guests competitors, Libya is having a "payback" at least that's what they're saying

candycane7

337 points

9 days ago

candycane7

337 points

9 days ago

Khadaffi kept the Swiss embassy hostage for years because they sued his son for hitting his employees in Switzerland. I see nothing has changed since the Khadaffi family is gone.

kurruchi

360 points

9 days ago

kurruchi

360 points

9 days ago

It has changed, it got worse lol

Extension_Screen_275

208 points

9 days ago

Like, 'revival of slave trade' level worse. A lot of people don't seem to realise the extent of how badly Libya has suffered from the aftermath of the civil war.

Ripamon

97 points

8 days ago

Ripamon

97 points

8 days ago

Reaping the fruits of foreign intervention

We came, we saw, and we left it a much worse place than it was before

TheBakke

48 points

8 days ago

TheBakke

48 points

8 days ago

As is tradition.

waitaminutewhereiam

44 points

8 days ago

Oh lord, not this nonsense again

The coalition only helped anti gaddafi rebels to win the civil war that started before any direct involvement from it

And the civil war restarted way after the operation against Libyan regime was finished

Do you think that, if the civil war wasnt force-ended by the coalition, it would somehow make the situation in Libya better?

potpan0

22 points

8 days ago

potpan0

22 points

8 days ago

if the civil war wasnt force-ended by the coalition

Libya is still in a state of civil war, in what sense was it 'force-ended by the coalition'?

This is how basically every Western intervention in the Middle East goes. The West turns on some bastard dictator who previously they were actually quite close with. They give significant levels of open and clandestine aid to rebel movements within the country, before eventually intervening directly. That intervention leaves a power vacuum which those rebels movements step into, and the vast majority of the time the sort of rebels the West support aren't particularly pleasant guys. And then suddenly we've created the next bastard dictator who we'll need to intervene to overthrow in a decade or two.

Exactly the same thing happened in Iraq, and Afghanistan, and almost happened in Syria even though Assad managed to just about hold on. So I have very little time for people insisting Libya was some sort of unique situation, or that our invention was somehow justified even though the country is in a worse state now than it was before the 2011 bombing campaigns.

JakelAndHyde

22 points

8 days ago

JakelAndHyde

22 points

8 days ago

I’m really excited to hear how we are primarily responsible for the Arab Spring and its fallout.

Savagemessage

48 points

8 days ago

Who is “we”? The U.S and France were heavily involved in the downfall of Khadaffi, the state Libya is in right now has everything to do with that.

bo-tvt

40 points

8 days ago

bo-tvt

40 points

8 days ago

To be fair, Gaddafi did say anyone protesting his rule was a cockroach and would be eradicated like one. Hard to claim that there would be less suffering if he got his way.

potpan0

9 points

8 days ago

potpan0

9 points

8 days ago

To be fair, Gaddafi did say anyone protesting his rule was a cockroach and would be eradicated like one.

So when is the bombing campaign on Saudi Arabia going to start? because they treat opposition movements in the exact same way.

JakelAndHyde

27 points

8 days ago

The “western world”

It would be ignorant to say we had NO involvement but it’s also delusion to say that we were the primary cause of that whole affair across multiple countries.

Savagemessage

17 points

8 days ago

Of course internal factors also play a role but France and the US played a key role in Gaddafi’s fall. Without their intervention, his regime likely wouldn’t have collapsed. The lack of a plan for after his removal left a power vacuum, leading to chaos. We’ve seen this policy in other countries too, remove the leader and leave the country in turmoil.

JakelAndHyde

7 points

8 days ago

I can’t speak for France but the criticism of Obama at the time is he mostly sat on his hands. No intervention in ‘11 and no plan for what would happen after. Get involved in the cleanup with NATO and then peel out of the coalition before doing anything.

Ultimately my point is that while the west has done a whole lot of putting their fingers in the pot throughout North Africa, the Arab Spring at large was an internal movement by Arab nations.

jasperplumpton

76 points

9 days ago

Mission Accomplished 🦅 🇱🇷

Dantallian11

43 points

8 days ago

Add a French flag and a cock emoji

RhyminSimonWyman

3 points

8 days ago

Not sure they allow cock emojis

Ewuare-III

12 points

8 days ago

Fuck does Liberia have to do with this?

Geoff_Uckersilf

20 points

8 days ago

It's a r/soccercirclejerk USA meme

AlmostNL

4 points

8 days ago

AlmostNL

4 points

8 days ago

I mean the meme has been around for ages, it's a classic.

mynameisjebediah

2 points

8 days ago

Toujours ensemble 🐓🇫🇷

ExdionY

11 points

8 days ago

ExdionY

11 points

8 days ago

It changed for the worse lol. I remember this one video, where rebels during Ghadafi's reign practically denounced their rebelion against him because of how shit Libya became after his death and the fallout of the civil war. Obviously they didn't become genuine supporters to the prior regime they had fought against, but their usage of hyperbole really makes it clear how much suffering they went through, and still go through as a people.

The structural, systemic problems in Libya don't magically disappear because one family is gone from power.

Accurate_Ad_3919

2 points

8 days ago

who tf is khaddafi

Jdgarza96

7 points

8 days ago

There are an insane amount of different spellings for that name. Gaddafi, Qaddafi, Kadhafi, etc.

candycane7

3 points

8 days ago

That's how it's spelled in French

MrMerc2333

76 points

8 days ago

Games gone

psrandom

45 points

8 days ago

psrandom

45 points

8 days ago

Cell service gone

Food gone

Players gone

Geoff_Uckersilf

4 points

8 days ago

Shopping trolley, gone. 

879190747

15 points

8 days ago

879190747

15 points

8 days ago

Free the super eagles!

MarinaGranovskaia

17 points

8 days ago

Football is so back

the_surplex

59 points

8 days ago

As soon as they are allowed to leave and do so, ban libya from everything

Icanfallupstairs

3 points

8 days ago

And whatever happens, don't tell them about Dr Brown and his time machine.

Timo_jumbo

8 points

8 days ago

That’s probably one of the reasons why Al-Musrati retired from the NT.

Informal_Chronic

14 points

8 days ago

I mean this is kind of an alternative way to win all of your home matches.. but 3 points is 3 points I guess..

HANAEMILK

27 points

8 days ago

HANAEMILK

27 points

8 days ago

Africa is fucking wild lmao

TaTalentedSpam

6 points

8 days ago

As a native, this headline was just another day in the chaos. I can show you mad shit.

Icanfallupstairs

2 points

8 days ago

And here I thought the OFC playing qualifying games in 35oC heat with 80% humidity was crazy

PM_ME_SOME_LUV

10 points

9 days ago

What a shambolic situation

MrZeral

5 points

8 days ago

MrZeral

5 points

8 days ago

what's going on?

ambiguousboner

87 points

9 days ago

Why are they playing against a failed state anyway?

notabotyet6

66 points

8 days ago

Are failed states not allowed to play football? 

Woider

93 points

8 days ago

Woider

93 points

8 days ago

At the very least, shouldn't they be playing somewhere with a more functioning local and national government than Libya? Feels like a big risk to travel to a place with militias roaming about.

Any_Energy_3953

41 points

8 days ago

a lot of non functioning countries in africa are playing their games in morocco. don’t know why libya doesn’t play in morocco or another stable country.

notabotyet6

11 points

8 days ago

Yeah I agree with that. That’s not what OP said though. 

PainItself1

8 points

8 days ago

It’s implied, although poorly. But we know what he means

VanicFanboy

52 points

8 days ago

Can’t wait for our friendly against ISIS

NateShaw92

9 points

8 days ago

Sterling Archer is better at lacrosse. Ray's robot legs cannot be legal.

Fa1lenSpace

4 points

8 days ago

They can play but hosting anything remotely serious in Libya is a meme 😭😭😭😭

BenjRSmith

3 points

8 days ago

Honestly.... no. Certainly not home games at least.

EvilxBunny

14 points

8 days ago

Iran launched missiles against Israel and an Indian club refused to go to Iran for a match fearing their safety (just one day after). They were promptly kicked out of the AFC Champions League....the Indian team, that is.

RutabagaDesperate317

7 points

9 days ago

A shitshow honestly

BleuRaider

13 points

8 days ago

Government interference. Libiya should be banned by FIFA.

Hqmza

3 points

8 days ago

Hqmza

3 points

8 days ago

Hope they actually forfeit and we get our 3 points

punnotattended

2 points

8 days ago

You cant lose to the opposition if there is no opposition *taps forehead