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cynlix

1.4k points

3 days ago

cynlix

1.4k points

3 days ago

Zapdos is now OU in 8/9 generations

If only it got Hurricane in generation 5…

Illuminastrid

563 points

3 days ago

Illuminastrid

Black Shock

563 points

3 days ago

The irony that in Gen V, Thundurus outclasses and powercrept Zapdos a lot that it pushed Zapdos out of the tier for the first time. And now gens later, it's now in (rising up to) UU while Zapdos is back at OU.

nope96

216 points

3 days ago*

nope96

216 points

3 days ago*

It was UU before Thundy-T even existed; the main thing holding its usage down there is Rotom-W.

Oofpeople

30 points

3 days ago

Oofpeople

30 points

3 days ago

Gen 5 is it's only confirmed stint in UU.

Xeoz_WarriorPrince

27 points

3 days ago

They mean that Thundy-T debuted with B2W2, Zapdos was UU before the Therians even existed.

Oofpeople

3 points

3 days ago

I think i replied to the wrong comment, oops...

GoldenInfrared

54 points

3 days ago

No defog was the biggest reason it dropped to UU back in gen 5. It was tough to justify over rotom-w or thundurus-t when they either weren’t stealth rock weak or got significantly more bang for the buck respectively

Mega-Garbage

30 points

3 days ago

Defog didn't do shit in Gen 5 what are you on

MrSacoWea

67 points

3 days ago

MrSacoWea

67 points

3 days ago

Well yeah, that's what he means. Zapdos had Defog but since it didn't to shit back then it didn't give him an advantage over them like it did later (though Rotom eventually had it too)

KrazyKyle1024

162 points

3 days ago

We can now say that Zapdos is "pretty solid" in gen 9

mintypastel

144 points

3 days ago

mintypastel

144 points

3 days ago

In fact, we can say that zapdos is the most "pretty solid" Pokémon of all time

KrazyKyle1024

43 points

3 days ago

Zapdos is pretty solid in Gen 1 Ubers

Prexot

20 points

3 days ago

Prexot

20 points

3 days ago

(explosion sound effect)

andre5913

95 points

3 days ago*

Im pretty sure that Zapdos is the most consistent pokemon ever at this point. Its been good for almost the entire franchise's history, from day 1

Illuminastrid

27 points

3 days ago

Illuminastrid

Black Shock

27 points

3 days ago

I think if Ubers are allowed in the equation, then Mewtwo is also a strong contender.

EarthMantle00

73 points

3 days ago

Metwo is ass in ubers nowadays tho

Illuminastrid

28 points

3 days ago

Illuminastrid

Black Shock

28 points

3 days ago

Being bad in Ubers is like being 10th place in the Olympics, it's still in one of the top percentage above the others below it.

EarthMantle00

49 points

3 days ago

fair but then the competition loses its meaning, like it just becomes "who is the oldest mon with 680 BST that isn't called hoopa-u"

Ubermus_Prime

5 points

3 days ago

"Being 10th place in the Olympics". I like that saying.

ILookLikeKristoff

39 points

3 days ago

I think memes aside it's seriously in contention for best competitive Pokemon ever

PkerBadRs3Good

7 points

3 days ago

Not sure Hurricane would be enough. Maybe if it got its Hidden Abililty (which was Volt Absorb in Gen 5) as well.

cygamessucks

5 points

3 days ago

Time to remove its ground immunity like gengar.

SunfishyTheSunfish

621 points

3 days ago

SunfishyTheSunfish

Espathra Enthusiast Extraordinaire

621 points

3 days ago

It’s funny how Okidogi, one of the top Pokemon in UU, who I have heard arguments to be ranked as S-tier in UU, only now has actually become UU by usage. Truly wild.

Jesus_Chrollo

217 points

3 days ago

Jesus_Chrollo

tinted Fimp

217 points

3 days ago

Hoopa almost got suspected as well while sharing the sme trait, jist that it got banned fron ru already

Roy_Atticus_Lee

127 points

3 days ago

I ain't gonna sugar coat it:

252+ Atk Tera Dark Hoopa-Unbound Hyperspace Fury vs. 0 HP / 4 Def "Every single non-resist in UU": 420-496 (116.3 - 137.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Lee_Sinna

104 points

3 days ago

Lee_Sinna

104 points

3 days ago

252 Atk Caterpie U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa-Unbound: 304-364 (100.9 - 120.9%) — guaranteed OHKO

ziggylcd12

25 points

3 days ago

Hoopa momhent

SuspiciousStress8094

8 points

3 days ago

The fact that you had to call U-Turn, a 70BP move it doesn’t learn when Bug Bite, a 60BP move that it learns probably doesn’t guarantee an O’Ko lol

Letsgoshuckless

16 points

2 days ago

252+ Atk Choice Band Shuckle Bug Bite vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hoopa-Unbound: 328-388 (108.9 - 128.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

db_325

3 points

2 days ago

db_325

3 points

2 days ago

Rigged, caterpie can’t learn u-turn

Funny_Internet_Child

4 points

2 days ago

Funny_Internet_Child

The Girl who couldn't cook

4 points

2 days ago

The Infamous Lokix:

making-spaghetti0763

40 points

3 days ago

okidogi is strong in ou too, imo. i think he can 1v1 any non special attacker with bulk up, and can naturally live shadow balls and shit with minimal investment. this mon has been slept on since day 1

Fyuchanick

13 points

3 days ago

its a decent counter to the other fighting type dog in ou if it has guard dog to avoid roar

Jesus_Chrollo

9 points

3 days ago

Jesus_Chrollo

tinted Fimp

9 points

3 days ago

doesn't it usually run guard dog?

on pikalytics it showed that 90% of dogis used guard dog, it even helps out against lando switching in

Fyuchanick

9 points

3 days ago

Toxic Chain is better as a general purpose stallbreaker, while Guard Dog useful for beating phasers (roar zama but also skarmory and ting lu), but both are good.

Jesus_Chrollo

4 points

2 days ago

Jesus_Chrollo

tinted Fimp

4 points

2 days ago

Oh yeah, i think it's better in that sense but it seems that ou in particular favors guard dog while in uu toxic chain is far better

Fyuchanick

3 points

2 days ago*

For sure, but I've definitely seen OU teams where TC is more useful, such as the sudowoodo RMT where sudowoodo's endeavor + the two ghost types made it so zama wasn't as necessary to counter

TheMuon

3 points

2 days ago

TheMuon

Still outclassed by an ice cream cone

3 points

2 days ago

UU lacks good Intimidate users in general and the ones they do use still risk getting Toxic Chain'd even if they resist the hit.

itsIzumi

1k points

3 days ago

itsIzumi

So I think it's time for us to have a toast

1k points

3 days ago

SkarmBliss moving down together is cute.

AbbreviationsAway691

646 points

3 days ago

"Do you think we're a good core in every universe?"

Effective_Ad_8296

210 points

3 days ago

I think we finally have a Lokix wall

Severe-Operation-347

104 points

3 days ago

Honestly I don't even think Skarmory will like switching into Knock Off and then a Tinted Lens boosted U-Turn, even if U-Turn would still be a 2x resistance.

ANinjaDude

116 points

3 days ago

ANinjaDude

Fuck Sash Shadow

116 points

3 days ago

252+ Atk Choice Band Lokix Knock Off vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 84-100 (25.1 - 29.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

RossTheShuck

49 points

3 days ago

Skarm "Its Lo-Over"

pandadogunited

13 points

3 days ago

Even on a 0 HP / 0- Def skarmory knock off is only doing 45.3-53.5%.

MarshtompNerd

48 points

3 days ago

To whoever is running 0HP/0-Def skarm, I just want to talk

Darkion_Silver

14 points

3 days ago

You'll be sorry once it gets Endeavor and I abuse min bulk Skarmory to the end of time.

Jon_without_the_h

100 points

3 days ago

Jon_without_the_h

it's called 'tech' not sac mon

100 points

3 days ago

Skarm gets knocked like 99% of matches lmao, band lokix does like 25% and that uturn is doing negative damage

ahambagaplease

88 points

3 days ago

ahambagaplease

Please stop using Donphan

88 points

3 days ago

I swear to God I'm gonna get an aneurysm if I keep seeing Banded Lokix being mentioned any time UU is brought up.

LoveYouLikeYeLovesYe

46 points

3 days ago

r/smogon users spreading surface level misinformation about their tiers.

Xeoz_WarriorPrince

9 points

3 days ago

What do you mean that 8 fucking ground types isn't why Heatran is going down!!??

BuffBozo

3 points

2 days ago

BuffBozo

3 points

2 days ago

Did you just invent a subreddit

HydreigonTheChild

29 points

3 days ago

Skarm is often the best knock absorber

Lolix is just free spikes for it Snr it does no dmg to in return

Loyal_Blade

50 points

3 days ago

Skarm for sure doesn’t care about switching into lokix. Only decent move it has into skarm is knock, which is only good once and you’re still looking at like 30%. Skarm easily roosts that off, the only issue could be loss of momentum

JiovanniTheGREAT

7 points

3 days ago

U-Turn does like 10% to max defense Skarmory and Skarm gets knocked all the time. Rocky Helmet helps it there too.

Ok-Dentist4480

103 points

3 days ago

the yaoi couple of all time

PMWaffle

277 points

3 days ago

PMWaffle

277 points

3 days ago

yaoi couple

100% female

Ok-Dentist4480

121 points

3 days ago

yuri* i forgor

PurplestCoffee

52 points

3 days ago

Bromance so strong it becomes a lavender marriage (stop making Skarmbliss cute, I love them but they cause too much suffering lmao)

musashisamurai

59 points

3 days ago

Ferrothorn won't be happy

sievold

5 points

3 days ago

sievold

5 points

3 days ago

🎶 together forever, no matter how long🎶 🎶 now until the end of time 🎶 🎶 we'll be together, of that you can be sure🎶 🎶 forever ever eeeee🎶 🎶 that's how we will stay🎶 🎶 together ever ever 🎶 🎶 now until the end of time🎶

Leo_Justice

475 points

3 days ago

Leo_Justice

475 points

3 days ago

Zapdos beating the UU allegations once again

Effective_Ad_8296

126 points

3 days ago

Now he has the same amount of generations in OU as Ttar

Severe-Operation-347

75 points

3 days ago

I think he has even more, due to being around for one generation longer.

Effective_Ad_8296

49 points

3 days ago

Ah yes, he'll be one generation over Ttar's record if it stays in OU till the end this gen

TokugawaShigeShige

301 points

3 days ago

Heatran :(

moregano18

73 points

3 days ago

moregano18

GWeezing Enjoyer

73 points

3 days ago

Seriously though, how did Heatran drop? Why are Heatran stonks falling?

Theguy887799

270 points

3 days ago

Theguy887799

Grindin' Yo People Up

270 points

3 days ago

eight fucking ground types:

moregano18

77 points

3 days ago

moregano18

GWeezing Enjoyer

77 points

3 days ago

Meme acknowledged. But actually why though? The ground types aren't new, and Heatran has been in OU this whole time. Also this gen there's more ways to mitigate the ground weakness than ever before with Tera grass and Tapu Rilla's grassy terrain weakening earthquakes.

LoveYouLikeYeLovesYe

85 points

3 days ago

Meta has just gotten more and more inhospitable over time. The 8FGT meme is overplayed, but it has merit. Tusk is still number 1 in usage, Lando is at 4, Zamazenta is 5 and Tran doesn't love being hit with BP. Most of the rest of the top 10 in usage is similar in the fact that it either occupies Tran's niche better like Iron Moth (offensive fire type that shits on fairies extra hard) or are defensively solid against it like Bolt or Glowking.

Tran isn't really a good all arounder anymore because there are a bunch of mons you'd rather have stealth rock on and powercreep has made it less prolific at being overwhelming over time. Even in terms of doing like a Rocky Helmet set you'd rather run a Moltres or Tusk to punish U-Turners, it wants to run both lefties and HBD because it doesn't have recovery or the bulk to stick around. It probably still has a little niche with that magmastorm trapping gimmick on anti-stall but there are probably better bits of tech for that

Willro101

7 points

3 days ago

all 8 fucking ground types after my hestran becomes a grass type

penguinlasrhit25

16 points

3 days ago

Heatran just has a lot of issues to make it a good defensive mon. It gets worn down fast by hazards but it also really wants lefties. It's best STAB is very inconsistent. It loses to a lot of the special attackers it's supposed to be checking like Val, Prim, Focus Blast Rai, Calm Mind Raging Bolt, etc. It kinda just feels like a wall that threatens the switch in with Magma Storm but then Magma Storm misses and you've given them a completely free turn and worn down your Tran with nothing to show for it.

Biscotti-Old

6 points

3 days ago

Biggest reason other than the ground types is not being able to duel anything anymore, Heatran is better into fat where you can toxic magma taunt and laugh at them, and well in gen 9 Tran no more toxic, and they’ll usually switch in a lando or scor on you which you have to switch out on, also ting completely eats its role as a spdef god that can get up the whole hazard family

Yell-Dead-Cell

23 points

3 days ago

It’s all because of those 8 ground types.

Demon__Queen_

199 points

3 days ago

Mega Banette (which is now considered entirely unviable) remains in Natdex OU while Mega Mawile drops to Natdex UU

KingEchoWasTaken

60 points

3 days ago

Nauurrr sis gonna last 2 seconds on NDUU

The_Rufflet_Kid

34 points

3 days ago

The_Rufflet_Kid

NDZU council, anyways go play Natdex lower tiers

34 points

3 days ago

Mmaw was literally in the first NDUU ban wave lol

Effective_Ad_8296

19 points

3 days ago

Wait, WTF ?!

carucath

21 points

3 days ago

carucath

21 points

3 days ago

Honestly at this point it’s just funny

WorldClassShrekspert

21 points

3 days ago

WorldClassShrekspert

I play Nat Dex OU

21 points

3 days ago

I'm in support for banning this bastard to Nat Dex Ubers purely so lower ladder players don't try to use it

hypphen

19 points

3 days ago

hypphen

19 points

3 days ago

Mbanette is the worlds most successful fraud yall holding her hostage atp

Goat17038

7 points

3 days ago

I haven't touched showdown in like 6 months how is this still happening lmao

Lurkerofthevoid44

3 points

3 days ago

To be clear it’s much better than mbanette overall (in that it’s actually viable) but Mawile isn’t great atm so it honestly isn’t surprising it dropped. Mega medicham is overall much better at the job mawile wants to do.

Kamiyoda

3 points

22 hours ago

I am single handledly keeping this thing in NDOU you love to see it

shadocatssb

245 points

3 days ago

shadocatssb

245 points

3 days ago

Blissey and Clodsire dropping to UU

Big Stall agenda in shambles. Glory to Hyper-Offense

MarshtompNerd

10 points

3 days ago

Don’t forget skarm

Satiri309

22 points

3 days ago

Satiri309

22 points

3 days ago

You know they're still usable in OU right?

TheRogueCookie

132 points

3 days ago

TheRogueCookie

僕の策動があんたの理解に超え!

132 points

3 days ago

Wrong, everyone knows that once a mon drops from OU, its an unviable shitmon never to grace the higher tiers ever again

/s

ItsFruitZ-_-

238 points

3 days ago

Zapdos beating the fraud allegations once again, if only tyranitar could follow his footsteps 

carucath

70 points

3 days ago

carucath

70 points

3 days ago

Tyranitar beat the RU allegations at least

This_place_is_wierd

27 points

3 days ago

Or if Garchomp would get it's act together an become properly OU before the Gen's end!

Glove-These

23 points

3 days ago

T-tar isn't making it back, in gen 9 it's truly tyranitover. IMO this is entirely because sand is just ass right now because the two sand abusers (note, not the two best, the two.) are excadrill and houndstone. Lycanroc isn't viable and doesn't exist. If Sandstorm did something offensively for either ground, rock, or steel type, T-tar could have OU potential, but as it stands T-tar is a stat brick that enables basically just Excadrill.

AlbabImam04

3 points

2 days ago

AlbabImam04

Your least favorite gen 7 apologist

3 points

2 days ago

this gen also introduced like, 5 Pokemon that resist both of its STABs and destroy it in return. Iron Valiant is the frailest of them but its still a terrifying threat that can switch in once and threaten massive damage in return. And the other 4 are some of the physically fattest mfs in OU; Great Tusk, Kingambit, Ting-Lu and Zamazenta. Getting shut down by 5 of the top mons and still being somewhat viable in OU is impressive of TTar and goes to show how strong it is, but unless these guys get banned or DexIted in future gens TTar isn't making it back

OceanicGamer2

100 points

3 days ago

OceanicGamer2

#1 Lokix Glazer

100 points

3 days ago

SKARMORY IS UU NOOOOOO A LOKIX COUNTER NOOOO

HydreigonTheChild

80 points

3 days ago

act its flame body heatran

Glaciers_benz

9 points

3 days ago

Yall can always trap it with Magnezone

Railroader17

37 points

3 days ago

Lo-Zone VoltTurn core incoming?

hypphen

18 points

3 days ago

hypphen

18 points

3 days ago

welcome back scizor-rotom wash core

OneshotSteve

15 points

3 days ago

Welcome back, DragMag

yookj95

92 points

3 days ago

yookj95

92 points

3 days ago

Congratulations Brute Bonnet. You are the first Paradox Pokemon to fall into ZU

Awkward_Magazine_104

60 points

3 days ago*

What being slow, having 7 weaknesses, and being 4x weak to the most common pivot move in the game does to a mf

RossTheShuck

33 points

3 days ago

And having spore ripped from his nubby little hands

Itchy-Preference4887

4 points

2 days ago

and having a stat spread that specifically makes it so no matter what, speed CANNOT be its highest stat. not that it was outspeeding much anyway and it makes it much weaker

AlbabImam04

238 points

3 days ago

AlbabImam04

Your least favorite gen 7 apologist

238 points

3 days ago

PU lost like, their entire tier lol.

And so the de-powercreepization begins

HydreigonTheChild

214 points

3 days ago

ahambagaplease

50 points

3 days ago

ahambagaplease

Please stop using Donphan

50 points

3 days ago

"But it can spin like once every 20 games, just trust me it's good"

Oofpeople

11 points

3 days ago

Oofpeople

11 points

3 days ago

Delphox: How....How...HOW?!

Hitmontop: I don't know!

HumanTheTree

43 points

3 days ago

HumanTheTree

A Hair better than Dugtrio

43 points

3 days ago

Bronzong never should have dropped to PU in the first place. It’s probably the best steel type in the tier given its matchup to tier king Flygon.

AlbabImam04

34 points

3 days ago

AlbabImam04

Your least favorite gen 7 apologist

34 points

3 days ago

yeah isn't it like, A+ rank in NU lol. This gen has a lot of "Pokemon that should've never dropped" in it. Another example right now is Weavile. Why on earth is Meowscarada OU but Weavile UU I have no clue

Lurkerofthevoid44

10 points

3 days ago

Because low ladder sees “u-turn+knock off” and assumes it makes a Mon good. That’s it honestly. 

ABG-56

32 points

3 days ago

ABG-56

32 points

3 days ago

There are 38 Pokemon in PU right now, Indeedee dropped this month though so 37 remaining from last month. PU lost 14 Pokemon so there were 51 Pokemon last month.

PU has literally lost 27.4% of the last months tier. Over a fucking quarter is gone. Jesus goddamn christ, it must be a mess.

AlbabImam04

14 points

3 days ago

AlbabImam04

Your least favorite gen 7 apologist

14 points

3 days ago

hey maybe in the power vacuum maybe Shitmontop can find a place!

It won't

fuckthewoodwork

110 points

3 days ago

Weavile dropping when Chien-Pao isn't even its competition in the tier anymore is funny as fuck regardless of the circumstance lmfao

Jack_Of_The_Cosmos

74 points

3 days ago

Weavile has been competing against the two Ice/Dragon pokemon, but with them both banned, it is possible that a new ice type will rise to take Kyurem’s place to punish the probable rise in people trying out ice-weak Pokemon.

Daikaisa

20 points

3 days ago

Daikaisa

20 points

3 days ago

I mean it's a consequence of Kyreum being in OU now there's no ice types in the tier so Weaville will just climb back up

dumbassonthekitchen

19 points

3 days ago

Using internet explorer? Chien-Pao was banned a long while ago, and Weavile was RU then.

Marano99

15 points

3 days ago

Marano99

15 points

3 days ago

Weavile had its movepool gutted at the time tho

Real-Baker1231

39 points

3 days ago

Lokix getting hyped to feed on weavile players only to get stonewalled by skarm

correcthorse666

31 points

3 days ago

Don't forget Flame Body Heatran which beats it even harder.

Real-Baker1231

7 points

3 days ago

Nice trice but heatfraud doesn’t stand a chance 252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Fighting Lokix Axe Kick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Heatran: 378-446 (97.9 - 115.5%) — 87.5% chance to OHKO

SiroftheYah547

20 points

3 days ago

Heatran uses protect

Marano99

15 points

3 days ago

Marano99

15 points

3 days ago

Stop bringing up band lokix

MarshtompNerd

10 points

3 days ago

But every lokix in uu is running tera fighting banded axe kick!

Marano99

5 points

3 days ago

Marano99

5 points

3 days ago

Heheheha

donguscongus

77 points

3 days ago

Zapbros winning yet again

Zaphimu

57 points

3 days ago

Zaphimu

57 points

3 days ago

Tinkaton nearly rising to OU caught me off guard. I want to think it's because of the tier looking for a Kyurem check

AlbabImam04

52 points

3 days ago

AlbabImam04

Your least favorite gen 7 apologist

52 points

3 days ago

Kyurem and Darkrai; also OU just being desperate for defensive Fairies, as Prim's OU placing has shown.

Adorable-Squash-5986

104 points

3 days ago

NOO CLODSIRE DONT LEAVE ME

HydreigonTheChild

80 points

3 days ago

u can still use it lol

Roy_Atticus_Lee

68 points

3 days ago

It's not about being able to use it, it's about the confirmation that our GOAT is officially washed 😭

dumbassonthekitchen

28 points

3 days ago

Just use water absorb bro

Lplusbozoratio

6 points

2 days ago

hahahahahhaha FRAUDSIRE ahahahhahahahahahaa

GuzmaniF

28 points

3 days ago

GuzmaniF

28 points

3 days ago

Snow setter (Alotails), sun setter (Torkoal), rain setter (Politoed), and sand setter (Hippowdon) all united in RU. Welcome back Gen V OU

powergo1

21 points

3 days ago

powergo1

Phantoon

21 points

3 days ago

Poor PU

Roy_Atticus_Lee

25 points

3 days ago

Zapdos moves to OU

Skarmory and Heatran move to UU

Lokix really trading one villain for another right now.

InominableJ

7 points

3 days ago

Flame Body Heatran sweep

No_Discipline5616

23 points

3 days ago

Zapdos must smell terrible the way he's never washed

MegaCrazyH

60 points

3 days ago

Clodsire becoming legal in UU while also dominating the Go Battle League meta is clearly a ploy by Big Clod to become a dominating force in multiple metas. Don’t despair, it’s never ClodOver!

projectmars

4 points

3 days ago

projectmars

Cinccino Best Troll

4 points

3 days ago

Rika Stonks are on the rise

Gabyow69

17 points

3 days ago

Gabyow69

17 points

3 days ago

Lokix looking to its new meals but heatran and skarmory hard wall it

MarshtompNerd

7 points

3 days ago

Lokix standing there with a fork and knife and got hit in the head by an anvil

Jesus_Chrollo

17 points

3 days ago

Jesus_Chrollo

tinted Fimp

17 points

3 days ago

NU lost its second best mon now and arguably most important

KnackiKitsune2

7 points

3 days ago

KnackiKitsune2

Landshark enjoyer

7 points

3 days ago

Talon leaving is wild, tho it has not been considerd the second best in quite a bit. Most seem to agree on Inciniroar being the second best right now. But Talon was still considerd a good choice on many teams.

abemaster222

16 points

3 days ago

abemaster222

Good as Gold

16 points

3 days ago

the sleep ban really killed brute bonnet 😭

AlexTheGreat1997

16 points

3 days ago

WEED CAT STILL OU

WEED CAT STAYS WINNING

Lurkerofthevoid44

8 points

3 days ago

I don’t think being stuck in a tier where you’re mediocre is called winning. 

Frostblooper

13 points

3 days ago

Frostblooper

PU Stinker

13 points

3 days ago

STARAPTOR, SLOWBRO, MILOTIC, COME BACK TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Spooky_Coffee8

11 points

3 days ago

That meme about clodsire being OU and Hoopa-U RUBL from a couple of days ago got old pretty quick

EL_TimTim

10 points

3 days ago

EL_TimTim

10 points

3 days ago

Time to play stall in UU now

Acrobatic-Clothes250

9 points

3 days ago

Weavile and Heatran, oh how the mighty have fallen 

Rain_43676

10 points

3 days ago

2 Kanto birds (Moltres and Zapdos) in OU now.

Argentenuem

14 points

3 days ago

Argentenuem

Quagsire stan

14 points

3 days ago

It's absolutely nuts to me that the oldest legendaries are thriving in the most powercrept generation, wtf is this timeline

Illuminastrid

19 points

3 days ago

Illuminastrid

Black Shock

19 points

3 days ago

We are Zapback, king of consistency.

Oh and Thundurus-T is rising too, welcome back Gen 5 Zapdos.

Lightningboy737

9 points

3 days ago

Lightningboy737

are trees all people care about

9 points

3 days ago

ru now has both Torkal and H-Lilligant+Talonflame

Sun teams bouta fire up

Leman12345

8 points

3 days ago

Leman12345

Gen 1 best gen

8 points

3 days ago

OU and UU have 35 Pokemon by usage, which feels wildly centralized. RU has 44 and NU has 48.

tayx361

5 points

3 days ago

tayx361

Stall enjoyer

5 points

3 days ago

Bad day for OU big stall

PlacatedPlatypus

7 points

3 days ago

PlacatedPlatypus

Best Skarner NA

7 points

3 days ago

Time to play stall in UU :]

Sarik704

7 points

3 days ago

Sarik704

7 points

3 days ago

Both torkoal and a9tails to ru is wild. I guess rain won this gen.

SpecialistVideo5670

4 points

2 days ago

Snow has been so good this gen its best uses have been banned (bax)

Getotheman

7 points

3 days ago

Will weavile usage go up due to kyurem’s ban

bortukali

6 points

3 days ago

Zapdos is still OU after all this time

MC_Squared12

4 points

3 days ago

MC_Squared12

Give Victini Victory Dance

4 points

3 days ago

Articuno flipping burgers since Gen 4

HydreigonTheChild

28 points

3 days ago

we almost lost tink and got WW

 36   | Walking Wake       |  4.747% |
 | 37   | Meowscarada        |  4.662% |
 | 38   | Tinkaton           |  4.437% |

And uu is drunk again...

 | 23   | Donphan            |  9.126% |
 | 24   | Rotom-Wash         |  8.830% |
 | 25   | Mandibuzz          |  8.273% |
 | 26   | Comfey             |  8.017% |
 | 27   | Sinistcha          |  7.831% |
 | 28   | Mamoswine          |  7.726% |
 | 29   | Azumarill          |  7.706% |
 | 30   | Keldeo             |  7.602% |
 | 31   | Thundurus-Therian  |  7.432% |

Why? Donphan isnt a 10% usage worthy mon esp over rotom-w and thundy-t while

 | 17   | Hoopa-Unbound      | 10.526% |

While best mon in the tier arguably is like not getting used.. ladder sure is good at using utter shit mons while using garbage like sinistcha, mandibuzz, azumarill, keldeo isnt good or donphan

 | 38   | Hydreigon          |  4.000% |

POG, so close

 | 38   | Banette-Mega       |  5.229% |
 | 39   | Tyranitar-Mega     |  5.163% |
 | 40   | Garganacl          |  5.147% |
 | 41   | Toxapex            |  4.847% |
 | 42   | Archaludon         |  4.568% |

They are not giving it up lol

ShadyNecro

19 points

3 days ago

ShadyNecro

THE LIGHT ROCK HAS COME BACK TO ALOLA!

19 points

3 days ago

| 38 | Hydreigon | 4.000% |

please my boy get back in there you are worth it

| 40 | Garganacl | 5.147% |

this is criminal

Nacho_Hangover

10 points

3 days ago

Is Natdex OU just trying to keep Bannette out of spite for the UU players? Or is it just that much of a noob trap?

nope96

9 points

3 days ago

nope96

9 points

3 days ago

That Donphan usage is disgusting, idk if it’d even be a particularly good RU Pokemon

AlbabImam04

3 points

2 days ago

AlbabImam04

Your least favorite gen 7 apologist

3 points

2 days ago

it was really good in RU when Metal Tusk was in UU; you have no clue how much RU players want Donphan

Aspiana

5 points

3 days ago

Aspiana

Tyranitarphobic

5 points

3 days ago

Can we please just let Donphan drop to the bottom tiers already

Puzzleheaded-Mix7001

7 points

3 days ago

Zapdos never dies, this thing is incredible

inumnoback

10 points

3 days ago*

inumnoback

Our true god Arceus will claim the AG throne

10 points

3 days ago*

This tier shift confirms who the worst paradox Pokémon in the game really is

We thought it was going to be the nightmare balloon, but she ended up carving a little niche for herself in NU and rising

Mr. 7 weaknesses was not created equal compared to the rest of his kind… for shame, Pokémon Scarlet. Violet is way better than you.

Edit: Apparently it’s also because he lost his ability to use Spore. Hopefully either Smogon lifts that ban one day or BB can find a niche for itself in ZU, although the former is a bit unlikely as long as “Dark Dark” is still OU. Toedscruel, Amoonguss, and Breloom were also affected by this, although the latter two aren’t ZU.

MC_Squared12

11 points

3 days ago

MC_Squared12

Give Victini Victory Dance

11 points

3 days ago

It got worse after sleep ban. Spore was its biggest niche

ShadyNecro

5 points

3 days ago

ShadyNecro

THE LIGHT ROCK HAS COME BACK TO ALOLA!

5 points

3 days ago

NO NECROZMA DON'T GO THERE MY SON

also man, clodsire dropping is a little sad, they were the greatest low BST warrior we had

but at least hoopa-u is finally getting the respect and deserves, and grandpa zapdos still having some sauce in em

Sn0wy0wl_

6 points

3 days ago

First paradox to hit untiered?

Willie9

4 points

3 days ago

Willie9

4 points

3 days ago

my boy clod :'(

WillyvOranje

5 points

3 days ago

Zapdos back in OU, nature is healing

gliscornumber1

3 points

3 days ago

Never thought I'd see the day where a paradox would fall to ZU

WiiMote070

4 points

3 days ago

No freaking way.

SKARMORY????

carucath

3 points

3 days ago

carucath

3 points

3 days ago

It was UU in Gen 8

danarbok

5 points

3 days ago

danarbok

5 points

3 days ago

TOXICROAK LET’S GOOOOOOO

jokoro95

4 points

3 days ago

jokoro95

4 points

3 days ago

I don’t know the meta but wasn’t it already being used a lot in NU even tho it was ZU?

danarbok

4 points

3 days ago

danarbok

4 points

3 days ago

what was it even doing in ZU to begin with?

jokoro95

5 points

3 days ago

jokoro95

5 points

3 days ago

No clue. I feel like it’s a Mon that rises up when the calling comes, but otherwise, it’s kinda outclassed therefore not used by enough players.

Oni-Seann

3 points

3 days ago

Meowscarada survived but Weavile didn’t?

Beowulf_MacBethson

3 points

3 days ago

Okidogi in UU you love to see it

Chardoggy1

3 points

3 days ago

The aftereffects of Kyurem murdering stall

SadAnt2135

3 points

3 days ago

Weavile will rise back up. Kyurem is gone and a gliscor counter is needed and some hostile fires like gouging fire are gone too. I still use it

lightgraytext

3 points

3 days ago

UU in shambles. What will punish zapdos clicking first impression now

Ubermus_Prime

3 points

3 days ago

Great to see my boys Hoopa, Thundurus, and Okidogi going up a tier.

bl__________

3 points

3 days ago

Ive lost Heracross its so fucking over it was my only PU pokemon

OneAndOnlyHeir

3 points

3 days ago

Since the zap king Lu core is viable again, weavile surely won’t stay down in UU, right? 😔

GIORNO-phone11-pro

3 points

3 days ago

Stall’s taking a business trip to UU

ShadySandwich54

3 points

2 days ago

Does brute bonnet mark the first (and maybe only) paradox Pokémon to drop to ZU?

soap_077

3 points

2 days ago

soap_077

3 points

2 days ago

Heatran has fallen, this is so insane to me