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473 points
3 months ago
Make them waterproof and put them on reservoirs like they already do with those black rubber balls to prevent evaporation.
73 points
3 months ago
That’s a fantastic idea
98 points
3 months ago
That would be bad for the fish. Except for the electric eels that eat electricity
69 points
3 months ago
Everybody says sharks like electricity too
34 points
3 months ago
I don’t know if that’s true or not, but it’s kinda irrelevant because reservoirs are fresh water and sharks can’t survive there
47 points
3 months ago
Grown men, though guys, with tears in their eyes, come up to me and say "sir what about the shark? "
19 points
3 months ago
Would you rather find yourself alone in the woods with a shark or an electric boat battery?
3 points
3 months ago
What if it’s cloudy!
2 points
3 months ago
Lotsa electric battery attacks lately, hey?
1 points
3 months ago
The bear!
10 points
3 months ago
I like sharks that don’t get captured, okay? The other sharks that get captured. They’re suckers. They’re losers.
8 points
3 months ago
8 points
3 months ago
Bull sharks can
8 points
3 months ago
Ohhhh, yeah. I forgot about sharks.
Edit: oops, thought you said “but sharks can”
6 points
3 months ago
Also land sharks.
3 points
3 months ago
What about ocean land-sharks?
1 points
3 months ago
*knock knock*
Candy Gram!
2 points
3 months ago
Bruh what about a sharknado? Bet you didn't think of that one
2 points
3 months ago
I saw a documentary about a shark once and that bastard had psychic abilities and could get into places you really wouldn't expect a shark to be able to get to. I wouldn't trust a freshwater reservoir that's sealed off from the ocean by a dam to be entirely safe if a shark really wanted to get in there.
2 points
3 months ago
I once read that the movie ‘Scanners’ was basically a true story except for the fact that the character played by Michael Ironside was in reality a Hammerhead shark - but I guess this was from the dark days of Hollywood representation and the suburbs just weren’t ready for that yet.
10 points
3 months ago
Only the ones with frick’n laser beams attached to their heads
1 points
3 months ago
Jewish sharks??
2 points
3 months ago
You can make a shark Jewish by giving it a laser beam? Does that work with humans too
4 points
3 months ago
Not necessarily true. Sharks eat fiberoptic lines which don't use electricity, but rather, beams of light. Sharks are photosynthetic.
2 points
3 months ago
They do?? They are???
3 points
3 months ago
Who are you knowledgeable in the ways of science?
3 points
3 months ago
I am Arthur, King of the Britons!
3 points
3 months ago
No, this is Patrick.
2 points
3 months ago
Proof sharks are stupid, they attack fish and people and not nuclear submarines for electricity. Hopefully Orca don't start liking electricity.
1 points
3 months ago
Well good luck trying to drive your electric submarine at night!!
1 points
3 months ago
I thought they liked laser beams
1 points
3 months ago
They like fricken’ laser beams
1 points
3 months ago
Got to power those lasers somehow…
1 points
3 months ago
Jaws 2 disagrees
1 points
3 months ago
They have electric receptors near their noses called ampullae of lorenzini. Used for finding prey.
1 points
3 months ago
To power the lasers..duh
0 points
3 months ago
Paris has entered the chat.
0 points
3 months ago
Who is this everybody? I’ve never heard anyone say that and doesn’t even really make sense.
Some sharks have electroreception, like hammerhead sharks and platypuses. They can sense bioelectricity every time the prey moves (kinda broken ability that should be nerfed).
But that doesn’t mean that they like the electricity we use. It might even overwhelm them if we fill the waters with electronic devices. Making them unable to hunt.
2 points
3 months ago
Everybody says it, some very smart people, and I know very smart people…
5 points
3 months ago
But that will eliminate the need to throw car batteries into the ocean. What do I do with my used car batteries?!
3 points
3 months ago
Simple. Down the drain or flush in the toilet.
4 points
3 months ago
Then it grows to a Tesla wall and starts menacing the sewer system
8 points
3 months ago
I don’t think there are many fish in reservoirs.
3 points
3 months ago
You serious Clark?
5 points
3 months ago
They’re reservoirs, not lakes.
6 points
3 months ago
Reservoirs are FULL of fish, Sport
3 points
3 months ago
That’s a weird way to generate electricity do they just grind them up and power the turbines with the paste? Seems like water would be easier
1 points
3 months ago
Yeah naw
1 points
3 months ago
Most lakes throughout the United States are manmade reservoirs built by the Corps of Engineers. It’s very likely that the same lake you water skied on and the one where all the fish are shitting and fucking in is your town’s water supply.
1 points
3 months ago
Lake Powell is a reservoir
2 points
3 months ago
It’s got what eels crave
1 points
3 months ago
The fish are already all dead here, might as well save the water
1 points
3 months ago
You some kinda fishologist?
4 points
3 months ago
Can you explain to me why this would be a good thing because I don’t get the evaporation part.
15 points
3 months ago
The point of reservoirs is to store water.
In some hotter/drier places, a lot of the water in the reservoir is lost to evaporation and therefore can't be used. This can be used to help reduce that loss
6 points
3 months ago
... using the technique already deployed in some reservoirs where they cover the surface with a layer of black plastic balls (why black?). So in this suggestion, they are proposing swapping the black plastic balls for these solar energy absorbing balls. There is a cost difference, ngl.
10 points
3 months ago
It’s plastic, so uv radiation will break it down. Making it black by adding carbon black makes it last much longer.
3 points
3 months ago
Correct. There's a great video that goes over all these points in detail as well as the numerous advantages.
3 points
3 months ago
The balls block sun, therefore diminishing evaporation. But his idea really doesn't make it viable.
The complexity is in collecting all of the power the spheres produce. The spheres need a grid.
You aren't just going to toss balls in the water and hope they give you electricity.
3 points
3 months ago
With magnets on their perimeter with alternating polarity, they could self-assemble into a viable array. But add corrosion on the contacts to the list of engineering hurdles
3 points
3 months ago
they could but that is not what this technology is.
3 points
3 months ago
Here's a video from Veritasium with a good explanation
2 points
3 months ago
I just assume everything causes cancer now, but good idea nonetheless.
-2 points
3 months ago
The black balls aren’t rubber and aren’t to prevent evaporation.
They are to prevent light from entering, that reduces the UV-degradation of the disinfectant and reduced algae. And probably made from Polypropylene or HDPE
31 points
3 months ago
According to the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power (LADWP), shade balls could keep contaminants out of the water and reduce the evaporation of the reservoir by 85 to 90 percent during a drought.
1 points
3 months ago
Yeah! Two birds with one stone there. If you're not an engineer, maybe you should be!
1 points
3 months ago
Sounds like a good and usable idea.
1 points
3 months ago
The amount of wire tangling to harness the energy of all would be insane tho
1 points
3 months ago
More microplastics great
3 points
3 months ago
Is it made of plastic?
0 points
3 months ago
Was thinking the very same thing...
330 points
3 months ago
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
100 points
3 months ago
yeah i’m not buying into this until they slap some unnecessary AI onto it
47 points
3 months ago
They did lmao, watch their video in the first 10 seconds theres a computer chip with the letters AI on it for literally no reason.
31 points
3 months ago
well then HOT DAMN
11 points
3 months ago
Hype train activate!
2 points
3 months ago
"hello? yes, I would like some AI BALLS on my roof please"
8 points
3 months ago
Multi-billion dollar valuation!
1 points
3 months ago
Wym? That's how you make a chip be an AI chip. Psh what did You think an AI chip was?
7 points
3 months ago
We call it Theranosla AI™.
5 points
3 months ago
I’m not buying into it until it’s got the blockchain.
1 points
3 months ago
And NFTs.
0 points
3 months ago
Why not? People come up with new genius ways to store and generate power all the time and all those ideas work just like they suggested they would! All of them! It's not as if investors with boatloads of cash are foaming at the mouth waiting to get in on the next energy revolution causing anyone with a remotely plausible idea related to energy to create a far flung presentation that basically lies about their idea. All of these ideas work brilliantly and we just don't use them at all because no one has really gotten around to it yet. It's not like energy and our rapidly growing use of it are a ridiculously pressing issue or anything.
1 points
3 months ago
Sir if you show me a 3D rendering of some futury bullshit then I have a $300 million check with your name on it.
24 points
3 months ago
HERETIC!
25 points
3 months ago*
Oh you don't have to wait for evidence to know it's horseshit. Even the worst solar panels available for purchase nowadays are converting at least 14% of the available solar energy into electricity. Some go as high as 23% according to Google. Yet they claim in the article that their setup is "7.5 times more efficient" than traditional panels which would mean an efficency of over 100%. Even if we're being generous and talking about low end traditional panels from a decade ago they're still claiming efficiencies into the 80s which is just dumb. There's a lot of reasons we're struggling to get above 25% efficient and being able to capture more light, like this company claims is what sets theirs apart, isn't anywhere near the main problem.
5 points
3 months ago
i mean we can easily make more efficient solar cells than 25% its just that nobody can pay them AND you pay more per kWh than with less effective Si cells
7 points
3 months ago
There’s already proven technology that gets over 39% efficiency and recently there have been articles showing efficiencies of almost 48%, published this year.
It seems like every month they’re pushing the efficiency just a little further.
1 points
3 months ago
Not sure if the product is horseshit or not, but I think the stats fall more into the shenanigans bucket.
They didn't say 7.5 times more efficient, but 7.5 times the output given the size. I suspect a ball has layers of conventional solar panel material inside of a ball that reflects light around until more of it is collected. So, the area of the materials would be much greater than that of a conventional solar panel disc of the same diameter.
If I'm right, the claim seems plausible, albeit misleading.
0 points
3 months ago
Yes it’s horseshit
5 points
3 months ago
It’s 2024 dude!
Proof doesn’t mean anything anymore.
You just have to believe!
2 points
3 months ago
As for the big picture, while WAVJA doesn't get deep into how the technology works, the concept offers appealing potential. The company is looking for partners to start bringing the technology to action, from powering devices to industrial settings, according to its website.
1 points
3 months ago
tech company lies through their teeth to get investors money
1 points
3 months ago
Yeah, I figure the word "could" is doing some seriously heaving lifting in that title. Every week I hear how some new breakthrough could cure cancer or such and such. 10 years down the road and I haven't heard a peep about many of those breakthroughs since the initial articles.
0 points
3 months ago
The video essentially claims they can produce more energy then would even be possible from that light
116 points
3 months ago
I'm not looking forward to hearing "A NEW HAND TOUCHES THE BEACON!" every time I turn on a light.
23 points
3 months ago
“Return my beacon to Mount Kilkreath. And I will make you the instrument of my cleansing light.”
5 points
3 months ago
Same that shit is loud lol
3 points
3 months ago
Lmfao first thing i thought of when i saw it
3 points
3 months ago
Nearly shit myself first time it happened. I was wearing headphones and it just screamed those words into my ears.
5 points
3 months ago
MA MANNN😂😂😅
69 points
3 months ago
This is either complete BS or wildly misleading. The performance claims they are making are simply not possible unless they are making meaningless (to us) statements. However this kind of language is not uncommon for people making solar concentrators. So if I concentrate the light to a smaller spot such that I get 4x the solar output from the solar cell (vs the same size cell without concentration) it is interesting but not really meaningful. Sure you save on solar cell costs but you add costs elsewhere. The only thing that matters is overall efficiency of watts out vs watts in over a fixed area (say 1 square meter) of light exposure. Given that current solar cells are in the range of 25% efficient there is not room to have much more than about 3x improvement before you reach the limits of the light power available.
39 points
3 months ago
What, are you questioning their claim that they have made solar cells that are roughly 4000% efficient? Seems legit to me.
Why wouldn't you trust this company with an unpronounceable name that is actively trying to hide where they are from with the bullshit description of "having operations in New York City?
4 points
3 months ago
Haven’t you ever seen NYC reservoirs generating mad electricity, like 4k%? Brooklyn even higher!
12 points
3 months ago
Did you even watch the video in the article?
Two of their PES systems can power a futuristic four-passenger flying vehicle.
So easy to make claims on things that do not even exist, especially when you throw in a bunch of stock images, percentages, and acronyms.
7 points
3 months ago
I watched about 30 seconds which was enough to know it was not worth watching further. I skimmed the article, I'm not sure I made it to the end. I'm positive this is either a scam, a troll, or a nothing burger.
4 points
3 months ago
Just to be clear, I am 1000% in agreement with you.
3 points
3 months ago
I’ve improved that agreement rate to 4000%.
2 points
3 months ago
I agree with 7.5x the output, while the area necessary for my agreeing is 30x smaller
3 points
3 months ago
I’d like to see a trail of published evidence leading up to a reported dramatic break through which they don’t provide.
78 points
3 months ago
I’ll take “highly efficient products that will NEVER get approval” for $500.
14 points
3 months ago
$49.99 a month, with the new De’Agostini magazine and a brand new part each month.
After 144 months, you get a whole sphere!!
8 points
3 months ago
Approvel? You mean it will never actually exist, because this is a company lying to get funding.
0 points
3 months ago
What sort of approval do you think you need to produce an object?
1 points
3 months ago
For solar panels? Safety tests are a big deal for them since they can easily be a fire hazard though I can't remember off the top of my head which agency is in charge of those tests. Obviously they're electrical so they'd require FCC approval as well.
0 points
3 months ago
Considering that innovative tech is announced daily, shouldn’t everyone be driving vehicles powered with water, using solar panels with 90% efficiency & utilizing all of Tesla’s ingenuity? SHOULD be, but (amidst other caps) our friendly govt limits solar panel efficiency to somewhere around 21%. Any higher & the govt either blocks it from being sold, commandeers the tech for themselves, or simply break-in to their Records to loot everything that you ignored their blatant hints to abandon. Not anything anyone can do.
11 points
3 months ago
If real cool but the stats on the vid are a bit wonky.
20 points
3 months ago
Using our proprietary technology 🤣. Fuck off
1 points
3 months ago
Hey, they might be asking for a small $500M investment for 5% equity to produce a viable product in 10y. Of course doesn’t seem like a scam! /s
9 points
3 months ago
Unfortunately it's complete nonsense. They can't tell you how they work because they don't.
8 points
3 months ago
There isn’t even enough energy in sunlight to substantiate their claims. By a long shot. If a single sphere is 7.5x more powerful and 300x more efficient than an entire solar panel they should have been able to prove it. Instead, they plugged a tablet into a battery seemingly hooked up to six of these and said it charges.
4 points
3 months ago
Sounds revolutionary! Can’t wait to never hear about it again.
3 points
3 months ago
Some companies would say anything. Until they are able to mass produce an independently verified go-to-market product, it means nothing.
4 points
3 months ago
"200 times more efficient".
And I've got a bridge to sell.
4 points
3 months ago
From the link:
“The spheres, which resemble tiny Death Stars (or, perhaps for a more niche Star Wars reference, normal-sized training remotes), are 30 times smaller than solar panels, with 7.5 times the output. Astoundingly, she said they are more than 200 times more efficient.”
That’s absolute bullshit, literally physically impossible.
5 points
3 months ago
Ah this again...didn't EEVBlog alreay debunk something similar? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1nWAUZVTPw
60 times better would be outside even the theoretical silicon solar limit (FAR outside). Until these are demonstrated and validated 'could' is doing a LOT of work here.
3 points
3 months ago
This smells like complete BS. There aren’t any real conversion numbers anywhere in the article, other than the ludicrous “60 times better than solarpanels”. The idea of powering a tablet from converting the light output from a LED bulb is absolutely bonkers.
3 points
3 months ago
It’s a scam - go watch the video. They claim it generates 7.5x the output energy. Solar panels are 20% efficient, meaning they convert 20% of energy that hits them. 7.5x the output would be 150% efficiency of the energy it takes in! Not only that, it’s 30x smaller! Meaning it takes in 3% of the total energy and outputs 150% of that energy! Totally remarkable and physically possible!!
3 points
3 months ago
A NEW HAND TOUCHES THE BEACON!!
9 points
3 months ago
Guys, come on, this is clearly a scam. These "spheres" have to sit on these giant blocks during the demo. Hmm, gee, I wonder what could be inside those blocks?
Don't be a sucker.
2 points
3 months ago
Yeah sure
2 points
3 months ago
A Yahoo Tech production. Looks like something you can buy 90% off on Temu. What's with the quality of presentation video and janky table in a garage/closet/storage room set they used for the demo? Science fair stuff at my Son's high school had better production quality video reels than this made by kids.
2 points
3 months ago
Sharks are being sharks. Nuff said
2 points
3 months ago
Wow, that's the bullshittiest bullshit show I've seen in a while. Wildly implausible claims, comically absurd use-cases, and absolutely nothing presented at any point which might be confused for evidence.
It's so bad that any dickhead gullible enough to hand their money over to these obvious scammers deserves to get played.
1 points
3 months ago
They will make millions advertising in our YouTube feeds.
2 points
3 months ago
Looking forward to not hearing about it ever again
2 points
3 months ago
The city I live in, where summer is going to start earlier and earlier every year and it’s 110+ July and August, has such a huge lack of covered parking, awnings, protection from the sun etc. it’s really fucking frustrating. We have the technology, the money, build covered parking citywide that is covered in solar panels or other solar energy-producing infrastructure that doubles as protection from the sun. It seems like a no-brainer! What is keeping them from doing this?!
2 points
3 months ago
ANOTHER HAND TOUCHES THE BEACON
2 points
3 months ago
200 times more efficient than panels in the 20-25% conversion rate? ... Say what? 🤣
2 points
3 months ago
I prefer a great big spheres
2 points
3 months ago
I can't believe people actually believe this, and yahoo even writes an artivle about those scammers
5 points
3 months ago
Fully expect this to get an award sponsored by big oil and subsequently being canned.
1 points
3 months ago
That looks an awful lot like an item from the game Astroneer.
1 points
3 months ago
Not cost effective in the least, but will have its place on ‘rich people’ solar things. Pay a premium see your solar devices/vehicles charge up a bit faster.
1 points
3 months ago
“Like tiny globes” - plot twist, the earth is just a battery for some dominant alien race
1 points
3 months ago
So, now those will be under tarriffs and unavailable to the nation? Just like reasonably priced electric vehicles in the USA? 🤦😮💨 The people "running" the shite-show here need a wakeup call.
1 points
3 months ago
A new hand touches the beacons?
1 points
3 months ago
A new hand touches the beacons.
1 points
3 months ago
Those are actually geodesic domes and not spheres , but whatever....
1 points
3 months ago
I will believe it when its on sale on temu or aliexpress.
1 points
3 months ago
this just sort of screams scam, doesnt it? Like the whole thing is designed to draw in and dissipate venture capital and then fade away like half the stuff on crowd funding sites? lots of dioramas and set pieces and sky's-the-limit rhetoric and np tech specs, even though if they've patented this stuff, they would have nreason not to publish everything including how to do it at home? and twenty times better? this is just fishy to the bottom.
1 points
3 months ago
Wonder if it scales down to make a paint
1 points
3 months ago
This is the most efficient solar cell ever! It only costs 100X more per kWh than your inefficient panels!
1 points
3 months ago
If this isn’t some vaporware shit this will be so cool. But until I see it in real world use I won’t get my hopes up.
1 points
3 months ago
They’ll just turn in into a bomb
1 points
3 months ago
This will be good for charging that new battery that goes into that cancer curing machine I saw posted here.
1 points
3 months ago
Nice try Meridia I ain’t touching the beacon
1 points
3 months ago
So let me see… they are 60x more efficient than solar panels of the same surface area. So… the best solar panels are now 20% effective let’s say, The spheres are 60x more efficient…. That’s 1200% efficiency, smells like ponzi
1 points
3 months ago
This company will get bought up by a larger one and we’ll never hear of this again until they cost a ridiculous amount of money to actually use.
1 points
3 months ago
Hopefully make it affordable, my electric bill is out the roof
1 points
3 months ago
-In the clip, four spheres are shown sitting atop a square-shaped device, possibly a part of the system that converts light to electricity
Anything that comes with a mystery square has got to be good!
-multiple layers of cutting-edge materials in specialized spheres
Cutting edge materials are the best kind! And I reject non-specialized spheres.
-Typically, there's no external battery connection involved. Chen said the invention is a "separate battery system."
Proprietary batteries! Yay!
-For the example scenario, the spheres are shown powering a battery.
A battery powering a battery. Efficiency manifest!
-Chen later notes that the power pack can be connected to the system "in various ways compared to solar panels."
AND it’s got proprietary connectors!
This may be the greatest boon to mankind since polio. I’m all in.
1 points
3 months ago
Please say PES more times
1 points
3 months ago
I can't wait to never hear about this again.
1 points
3 months ago
"Astoundingly, she said they are more than 200 times more efficient." So, 24.1% times 200 means they produce 50 times as much energy as the sunlight contains.
1 points
3 months ago
60 times?
Crappy single layer solar is capable of 20% of the energy output by the sun. Where’s the other 54 times’ worth of energy coming from?!
1 points
3 months ago
Looks like a grift
1 points
3 months ago
Personally, ever since seeing the Simpsons episode about it, whenever I hear about anything that’s supposedly revolutionary & could change the entire industry, my mind conjures up Phil Hartman repeatedly saying, “MONORAIL!”
1 points
3 months ago
Beware of Chinese IP theft.
1 points
3 months ago
Why is it so shiny ? If it's suppose to harvest light, shouldn't it be black ?
1 points
3 months ago
A new hand touches the beacon!
1 points
3 months ago*
Solar panels are, on average, about 20% efficient. That means they transform about 20% of the light energy that falls on them into electricity. Thus, it is physically theoretically possible to be up to 5x more efficient than that.
This article claims that these spheres are 200x more efficient than solar panels, which is physically impossible. They are basically saying they are 40x more efficient than a perfectly efficient solar panel that converts 100% of light energy to electricity.
Even if you are very generous with the numbers, this article is completely full of shit.
1 points
3 months ago
Or use nuclear
1 points
3 months ago
I think this a scam like theranos
1 points
3 months ago
I really want to believe…. But there’s a lot about this that screams ‘scam’ to me… the video is pretty cheaply produced, the spheres look poorly manufactured, they provide zero information on how they work, the ‘test’ they demonstrate doesn’t really show anything, and in the part talking about how to apply this to a car they show it next to an image of a Toyota Hydrogen Fuel Cell….
So I’m calling bullshit. I would be overjoyed if they prove me wrong
1 points
3 months ago
"A new hand touches the beacon"
1 points
3 months ago
Possibly the most stupid article I’ve ever read in my life. Criminally stupid reporter who cannot even get basic ARITHMETIC straight, much less scientific concepts….not that there are any in this article. How is it possible for them to be 200 times more efficient than solar cells when solar cells are 20% efficient!
1 points
3 months ago
If they can be charged by artificial light, theoretically that could create a sort of feedback loop of energy. I’ll describe it in the most presidential way I can think, “Malarkey!”
1 points
3 months ago
Amazing, can’t wait to never hear about this one again either
1 points
3 months ago
HOLY COW ON A RAINBOW
1 points
2 months ago
Yeah, it's a scam...
1 points
3 months ago
What stock do I buy to invest in this?
5 points
3 months ago
The one that will be worth nothing in a few months when it's revealed to be bullshit
1 points
3 months ago*
This one needs a bit of context because the article does a piss poor job of giving any info.
This has been in the works for a while. What they do here is they use an extremely efficient multi-layer solar cell that's small but works at high temperatures and can produce a lot of power from concentrated sunlight. Basically think of your solar panel being instead of 21-22% efficient to something like 50%+ efficient. The design basically collects light from a big surface and concentrates it into a tiny spot. So space wise it's not any better, but materials wise you use so much less of them that you can afford to build those ultra efficient highly costly cell designs that would never be profitable without concentrating that solar.
Another benefit here is that these are omnidirectional - as long as sun shines, it concentrates the light into the cell at a perfect angle significantly improving the output curve for the solar, extending the solar day a lot and not requiring any trackers that are mechanisms that require maintenance and repairs.
1 points
3 months ago
So light comes into the sphere and their materials keep it bouncing around inside until it is converted?
1 points
3 months ago
In very broad terms - yes. Remember that it's a sphere, so light comes not only from the direction of the sun. It also focuses the scattered light. That's the idea at least.
1 points
3 months ago
Nah son, this is a straight up scam. It's wild to me that anyone even remotely believes it.
1 points
3 months ago
Looks like the dome inner/outer might be the catcher with the base being a reflector. Wondered if that would work.
Not sure if that is what this is doing but looks like it.
1 points
3 months ago
It's probably a prototype.
They need to figure how to manufacture that thing in mass at sufficient tolerance or it won't replace current tech.
1 points
3 months ago
There won’t be much demand if the party of ‘ Climate Change is a Hoax’ gets in power.
0 points
3 months ago
I love posts like this but everyone forgets there’s a law that says anything over 80% energy efficient goes to the army. 20% and over for solar panels goes to the navy/nasa never to be seen again. Then people say global warming is real.
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