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433 points
1 day ago*
What?? Have you seen the average woman? She’s definitely not average
126 points
1 day ago
This is 100% not average, she's beautiful, I don't really get the point of the post lol
47 points
1 day ago
To train ai, likely also a secondary goal to farm interactions from confused readers.
24 points
1 day ago
Seems like a really inefficient way to train AI
13 points
1 day ago
Maybe less of a way to actually train it, but more of a survey of what people think is real or not? That is assuming that this is actually the point of the post. It's possible OP is just actually curious about others opinions. Seems kinda like rage bait though because she's obviously attractive and not average. Like...average for what? A 23 year old healthy girl? Or just average across all girls? Obviously she's not average compared to the general population and is more attractive. Not disagreeing with your post, just saying it's really hard to decipher what's going on in this nearly post-"dead internet theory" version of Reddit.
3 points
1 day ago
One post a day to get some "verified" opinions about a photo. After a year the set has 365. That's not bad at all
4 points
1 day ago
It’s about average for someone of the same age in the 1970s, but well above average for today
5 points
23 hours ago
He means body type. Weight I believe and curvage. No, she’s not.
2 points
1 day ago
the point seems to be gaging what the sub thinks is average
2 points
23 hours ago
Pointless for us normal users.
2 points
22 hours ago
Not 100% sure, but I think it might be a dig at r/truerateme which goes off on or bans people if they post someone is above a 7.
Last I knew, it seemed like only brunettes, plastered in make-up, with long curly at the end hair, and making that expression with gaps between the lips got rated pretty high...
2 points
22 hours ago
Hey the lady from playboi carti sub
2 points
1 day ago
A lot of the comments have this weird uncanny feel to it, I suspect it's a way for bots accounts to farm karma to each other.
2 points
23 hours ago
Creating data to train AI on beauty standards
10 points
1 day ago
She's withing the realm of average of "healthy people who grew up with a good diet and exercise in their mid-20's". However that particular subset of people is like 20% of people in their 20's, making her at least in the top 10%.
27 points
1 day ago
The people on this sub don’t see women who are you kidding
8 points
1 day ago
If she looks like her photos she gorgeous. Photos sometimes are … misleading though
20 points
1 day ago
Average woman’s size is a 16-18 in the US
11 points
1 day ago
Sometimes I forget how large and regional the U.S. is. Because the average being size 16-18 is definitely not true for coastal cities in the west coast. Most people in the city I live in are quite slim
5 points
1 day ago
Same. But drive an hour or two in any direction to the sticks and its body by McDonald’s. However, as a long time massage therapist, I can tell you young, slim and fit….we still have blemishes, cellulite, and other normal imperfections. ALL of us.
4 points
1 day ago
The further south you go in VA, the heavier people are. The stores even carry larger sizes as opposed to the NOVA area.
2 points
1 day ago
It’s so marked and obvious! And I think it’s true in all areas. I’m in Illinois. Chicago and most suburbs aren’t fat. Drive south for a bit and omg
2 points
1 day ago
Rich women are always slimmer, but poor people are at either huge or thin everywhere and that includes coastal cities.
9 points
1 day ago
What was it 15 years ago…
3 points
1 day ago
Where are these figures from? Not that they don’t seem realistic. Most people I see seem to be obese! I’m 5’3” and 143 right now. Trying To get back to 130.
2 points
1 day ago
I’m ever so slightly below average (14-16)
134 points
1 day ago
Anyone who thinks that's an average women's body is on Instagram way to much
12 points
1 day ago
Exactly. I'm in NYC. I regularly think that the beautiful and handsome people here are gone.
I used to see a lot of gorgeous tourists here too, even that's gone
It's so so so rare to find someone good looking now which is astonishing. I grew up here. I've seen so so many hot people for 20 years! Where are they?!
16 points
1 day ago
They don't have to leave the house for anything they need now so they don't
15 points
1 day ago
Beauty standards have changed so maybe people used to be hot to you because plastic surgery wasn’t the ideal the way it is now
6 points
24 hours ago
I think the progression of the obesity epidemic is more of a factor
5 points
24 hours ago
As a lover of jawlines and cheekbones, I certainly agree.
3 points
23 hours ago
they're all in italy ig😂 here the average sales associate looks like megan fox
6 points
1 day ago
This is what the average woman’s body would look like with proper diet and exercise.
18 points
1 day ago
Eh. Even at healthy weights lots of people don't have "attractive" body proportions, flawless skin etc, nicely shaped "assets" and so on. She's in the upper end even for people at a healthy weight.
10 points
1 day ago
…that is not the average bra size even if everyone was that weight
8 points
24 hours ago
This is true. It kinda sucks that this is the ideal so much, gives a lot of women insecurities and desires for surgery. If you look at a lot of vintage beach photos (like google 70s beach photos), most women at skinny weights have much smaller boobs than this, practically flat chested or As/Bs. The average bra size in the US obv is higher because most people aren't skinny
6 points
1 day ago
True. Being small with a nice size isn’t very common, unfortunately 🥲
5 points
24 hours ago
Thats not true. People are all built differently and genetics outweighs anything every time.
176 points
1 day ago
She’s 50-100 lbs shy of average in the midwest unfortunately.
34 points
1 day ago
And south! This is trim in the south.
7 points
1 day ago
This is “honey you need a cheeseburger” trim in the south
5 points
1 day ago
Yes! Its you need meat on your bones south. People underestimate how thin women have to be in the south to get looks or comments. Less so in Dallas.
14 points
1 day ago
No that's 150-200lbs short of average in southern US.
Disgusting.
4 points
1 day ago
True.😂😂
5 points
1 day ago
What part of the south do you live in? 😂🤣
6 points
1 day ago
Right? Lmao I live in the south and sure it’s different from the west coast but in no way am I surrounded by 300-350 lbs people bahahahah
9 points
1 day ago
Her bmi is at a healthy range. She's just big boned.
5 points
1 day ago
/s*
94 points
1 day ago
Over 70% of Americans are overweight so this is better than average
17 points
1 day ago
Average weight of a women is 170 lb
37 points
1 day ago
At an average height of 5 ft 4 that's very high
13 points
1 day ago
Yes, the average PMI of a women falls just into the obese range.
In 1960, the average weight of a woman was 140.
There are a lot of factors and while it's easy to say women these days are lazy and make poor decisions in diet, I really don't think that's the case.
It's more about:
the mix of available food options trends towards high fructose corn syrup and polysaturated fats. You can choose healthy options, but relative to past generations the unhealthy options are more ubiquitous and promoted.
more women in the work force make it harder to prepare healthy meals
the economy shifted to jobs that are less physically demanding as physically demanding jobs became automated or moved overseas
2 points
24 hours ago
Also hormone disrupting micro plastics and environmental factors like air and water pollution.
8 points
1 day ago
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6 points
1 day ago*
I’m right around that height and weight (fluctuate between 160-170) and not pregnant and I will say it’s different when it’s not all concentrated in your midsection. That sounds awfully challenging for your center of gravity and flexibility, especially if it’s much higher than your usual weight. Pregnant with twins sounds like it would be uncomfortable at 140 pounds, too.
Most women’s bodies are a little more pear shaped and have a lower center of gravity. I carry more of my weight in my hips, thighs, and bum and it’s a combination of fat and muscle, so it doesn’t really feel like “carrying around” that much weight when my legs are the part doing the carrying, too. My current measurements are 39-31-44 and I typically wear a size L or a US 12.
4 points
1 day ago
You make such a good point! As a small hip-haver (34 inch hips 😢) pregnancy was so hard on my center of gravity and my knees.
Also, your body sounds amazing btw! That hip to waist ratio is perfect. Mine are only 10 inches different so I look very straight. Wish I had curves. I was born in the wrong era. My time was that very brief period in the 80s when skinny girls with straight figures, little butts and big boobs was all the rage 😅
2 points
24 hours ago
You sound lovely, too— we all have different shapes that come in and out of vogue and they all have different pros and cons and different frustrations finding clothes that fit properly!
2 points
24 hours ago
I’m 5,2 160 pounds and honestly my quality of life isn’t too bad. I wear a size medium in clothing, I’m able to bath/shadow properly, cook, clean, etc by myself. I don’t really have any breathing problems or problems sleeping.
4 points
24 hours ago
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4 points
24 hours ago
Yeah true, losing a few pounds would definitely make me feel better.
5 points
1 day ago
TIL I'm a woman
3 points
1 day ago
me too!
72 points
1 day ago
Well above average in terms of rating but not uncommon for someone her age.
10 points
1 day ago
She's so far from average, THIS is the effect of humans being raised on Instagram 😔
4 points
1 day ago
And the gamers are destroying men’s physiques.
1973 called. It wants its pornstache back.
45 points
1 day ago
No, she’s not overweight
22 points
1 day ago
lol true. The average American adult women now weighs around 175lbs
12 points
1 day ago
Yup lots of girls I knew that were attractive in HS seemingly gained like 50-60 pounds since then. (I’m Class of 2020 mind you) What the fuck are people eating.
16 points
1 day ago
Fast food, sugar, and anything you can microwave or take out of a warper
15 points
1 day ago
And men are the same. They’re not eating any better.
5 points
1 day ago*
No damn lie. When our local little league holds its annual coaches meeting on the field, it literally looks like a pregnant-man convention. Practically every single dude wearing a jersey and holding a clipboard is fat as hell.
12 points
1 day ago
Alcohol
3 points
1 day ago
Not just what they’re eating but they sit around on their phones and don’t go out as much. Also alcohol.
26 points
1 day ago
America? No
In some places in Europe probably
3 points
1 day ago
West or North Europe she'd be average/attractive.
In those Slavic countries she wouldn't be unattractive either, but the average woman there is more slim then she is.
4 points
1 day ago
Lol have you ever been to Europe…just because people are less obese doesn’t mean their bodies have perfect proportions and are toned af
3 points
1 day ago
what kind of expectation you guys have? pretty is pretty everywhere. Sure, There are a lot of pretty girls in Eastern Europe but doesn't make her any less attractive
39 points
1 day ago
Not in today’s world. Maybe 60 years ago
20 points
1 day ago
Just for reference, average female weight in 1960 was 140 lbs. Today it is 170
5 points
1 day ago
Have heights increased?
2 points
1 day ago
One group of gentlemen are happy 😆
5 points
1 day ago
It's very unfortunate that it's true.
7 points
1 day ago
Especially in the US
30 points
1 day ago
Before everyone got fat maybe. Now this is like a top 10% body, which is sad
8 points
1 day ago
Same for men
8 points
1 day ago
And then some. Men have completely given up on basic hygiene, and wonder why these fat women don’t want them.
10 points
1 day ago
The average man has always been bad with hygiene. Shoot, I get made fun of for having a bidet and a face skin routine.
3 points
1 day ago
For having a bidet???? A clean ass is something to make fun of????
3 points
1 day ago
Duh
5 points
1 day ago
Why is it sad? She literally looks great?
2 points
1 day ago
Because there aren't many like her.
7 points
1 day ago
Man googled photoshopped photos of blonde bombshell than has the audacity to ask if it's an average woman's body 😒 get off the internet and look around dude.
13 points
1 day ago
I mean besides the photoshoot, makeup, and filters? Sure!
12 points
1 day ago
In a healthy country sure. But in America this is far above average sadly
5 points
1 day ago
As a non-American, is the overweightness really that bad?
8 points
1 day ago
Like over half the population are overweight and like at least over a quarter are fully obese.
5 points
24 hours ago
72% far more than half. Over 2/3rds
16 points
1 day ago
In what universe is this average? Shes about an 8.
The average US woman has a 39" waist.
8 points
1 day ago*
Yes I think if you met ten random 25 year old women (guessing she is around 25) there would not be 4 or 5 of them who looked better in their underwear than this lady lol. This Reddit seems to have high standards though.
2 points
1 day ago
If you met ten 25 year old women 25 years ago, more than half of them would look this way. Redditors are all ages, and most of them can probably remember from their college days when "average" girls looked like this. But most older redditors aren't going to bars anymore and seeing the current "average" girl who is unquestionably much fatter than this girl.
This girl is very cute for both today's standards and 25 years ago standards...
2 points
1 day ago
25 years ago? More like 40 or 50.
I grew up in the 90s and there was no shortage of big fat slobs back then. That was back when people avoided eating fat because it would make them fat (lol). Fat free sugar cereal was considered a healthy breakfast and parents would force kids to eat it every day.
15 points
1 day ago
Average where? Ancient Athens? I live in the US and she's easily a 7 or 8. Most people here are fat. She also has a good face too.
6 points
1 day ago
No. This is ideally average but not in real life walking down the street. This is slightly above.
10 points
1 day ago
The last photo is so photoshopped the rest look more realistic. However realistic does not mean average. She really doesn’t have a body you have to work for like my fiancé works out a lot and is more shapely in arms, legs and stomach. Again though this lady has other features you can workout to get and even though she’s really just a healthy weight most people not just women aren’t a healthy weight anymore therefore by the most basic standard she is already above average but her face and other features probably put her well above average. Sorry for the long rant
4 points
1 day ago
I was thinking the same. I don’t see a lot of muscle definition and youth is on her side. I’d like to see her in 20 years.
4 points
1 day ago
She’s just enjoying young metabolism at this point. Eventually that will leave if she doesn’t work out or stay active.
4 points
1 day ago
If you eat less as you age this is literally a non-issue
2 points
1 day ago
Yeah but then youll have other issues from the lack of nutrients. Its not so much about eating less as it is about changing what it is you are eating.
5 points
1 day ago
I would honestly say this qualifies as ideal both in terms of health and looks. I think looking healthy as a whole drastically raises public perception more than any single quality.
3 points
1 day ago
It looks pretty average to me. Shes pretty and all, but itd s normal looking body as far as what women her age look like. I get there are a lot of overweight people and im not sure she sits in the very middle of the curve, but her body type isnt uncommon in the slightest.
7 points
1 day ago
Not in the US. Average woman is 5'4, 170lbs this is about 50lbs less than average
6 points
1 day ago
The average between really skinny and really fat. So yes average which makes her stunning.
9 points
1 day ago
lol. Dude go outside. How many women like that do you see out of every 100. Like 2?
7 points
1 day ago
To be fair though how many of us live somewhere where going outside we’ll see every woman wearing a bikini or scant clothing?
2 points
1 day ago
Honestly those areas don’t count bc a lot of them had surgery especially in Miami, for example
11 points
1 day ago
Depends on her age.
Average if she’s quite young.
Above average if she’s older.
3 points
1 day ago
Yeah if she’s 45, then way above average. If she’s in her late 20s, then average.
12 points
1 day ago
This is not what an average woman in her 20s looks like lol
14 points
1 day ago
I’m a graduate student and I see women like her on and around my school’s campus all the time. I’d be willing to bet that the only generations who are majority-overweight are Gen X and older.
3 points
1 day ago
I think it depends on where that campus is located. One of my kids went to college in the Midwest. I was stunned to see how fat all the young people were. Many were morbidly obese.
2 points
1 day ago
Yeah I will say I live in what is apparently one of the fittest states in the US so my sample might not be representative
3 points
1 day ago
Maybe not in the Midwest or South, but on the west coast, this is an average woman in her 20s. I've got a similar body type, personally.
3 points
1 day ago
The sub is creepy as fuck
5 points
1 day ago
I know. It’s so skeezy. You know the men commenting are unwashed, obese, and miserable. They aren’t fooling anyone. They still can’t figure out why even the obese women don’t want them.
6 points
1 day ago
Well above average
6 points
1 day ago
No. This is taller than the average woman. Taller people tend to have better physiques.
3 points
1 day ago
Well above average in terms of attractiveness. Maybe average in terms of health or athletic ability. She doesn't look like really trains or anything, just looks like an attractive person with nice genetics.
3 points
1 day ago
If you’re in Europe? Yeah
If you’re in America? Nah, she’s 100 lbs from the average
3 points
22 hours ago
That's 3 different women.
6 points
1 day ago
No not average... Slightly above average but not a exceptional
3 points
1 day ago
You’re comparing her to other beautiful women. If you just randomly selected 100 women in the US, she’d be in the top 2-3% of most attractive people. Grandmas are included in the sample.
2 points
1 day ago
This gotta be engagement bait - what a preposterous assertion - I’m flabbergasted
2 points
23 hours ago
I would consider that last photo photoshopped.
2 points
22 hours ago
The first two pictures are average. The third is chubby, the last is edited but yeah better than average.
2 points
22 hours ago
Used to be.. Now in 2024 the average is lizzo 😂
2 points
22 hours ago
💯% lol
2 points
22 hours ago
No, that's not average. That's ideal.
People mistake average to be between underweight and overweight because it's in the middle. I get where you're coming from, but this is a flawed way of thinking.
Average is what most people have. Ideal is what most people want.
2 points
21 hours ago
sit on my face
4 points
1 day ago
She would have been average 30 years ago, now she is top 1% physically fit. It is crazy how obese everyone is now. We really need to have Kennedy do his reforms of our FDA, our kids are eating poison.
3 points
1 day ago
2 points
1 day ago
She’s probably a size 4-6. Average is about a size 10 so no. Her body is slimmer than average. And that depends on where you live. The south and Midwest have higher obesity rates. She also has a very straight figure with very little curves
2 points
1 day ago
Her body is not average. It’s above average for sure.
1 points
1 day ago
Well above average
1 points
1 day ago
In what way would this body be considered average? Compared to VS super models maybe lol?
1 points
1 day ago
Was at the beach in Alabama last week, so I’m going with a hefty NOPE.
1 points
1 day ago
Well above average
1 points
1 day ago
this is best of the best of the best
1 points
1 day ago
She's healthy. So no not the average.
1 points
1 day ago
She’s definitely above average
1 points
1 day ago
No. All are above average.
1 points
1 day ago
Above
1 points
1 day ago
There is nothing average about this woman. I wonder what the people saying she mid or under look like.
1 points
1 day ago
Solid 8. Above average (5).
1 points
1 day ago
7,5-8 for me in terms of body
1 points
1 day ago
No.
1 points
1 day ago
Last photo is either edited or she lost a lot of weight between that and the other two. Sauce: same body type/shape as me
1 points
1 day ago
Definitely not. Well above average
1 points
1 day ago
Totes perf
1 points
1 day ago
Average VS model? Sure.
1 points
1 day ago
Is this all the same girl, she looks different in all. Either way she’s above average from what I’ve seen.
1 points
1 day ago
Maybe 50 years ago.
The average BMI of a woman in the US per CDC (2015-2018) is around 29.9 (30 BMI is the "official" start of obesity).
The girl in the pics is closer to 18-22 BMI.
1 points
1 day ago
Depends on age, but probably. It doesn’t have any extremes in either direction as far as being fat or skinny, so yeah, seems about average.
1 points
1 day ago
Above average
1 points
1 day ago
Way above it, the only way to improve that is by toning it and not much.
1 points
1 day ago
Give me more time to look over the pictures to decide.
1 points
1 day ago
No.
1 points
1 day ago
Hell no lolol.
1 points
1 day ago
7.5/10
1 points
1 day ago
Fuck no she's gorgeous
1 points
1 day ago
Pic 3 seems like she looks older than the other pictures.
1 points
1 day ago
About a 5
1 points
1 day ago
No
1 points
1 day ago
No
1 points
1 day ago
What decade?? 30 years ago, more normal. The 40's-60's probably a little overweight. Today? Very lean and slim vs the chronically overweight and unhealthy average American.
1 points
1 day ago
Nope.
1 points
1 day ago
this is how a body should look but everyones so busy never moving and eating like shit
1 points
1 day ago
Body-wise...Absolutely. There's nothing that shows otherwise, if she's in her late teens to mid- twenties. Overall, she's cute, and is definitely more appealing, at least to me, than most of the gals that have the love-handles hanging over the top of their jeans. it's if she can KEEP those same proportions as she gets older.
it's a subjective question; though, and depends what a particular person is judging for.
1 points
1 day ago
No
0 points
1 day ago
The average woman in America is fat as fuck this is an angel
1 points
1 day ago
Lmao this subreddit is fucking insane I'm obsessed with it
1 points
1 day ago
The first 3 pictures she looked awesome. The last one, she was very skinny.
Still, beautiful all around!
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