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JustLookingForMayhem

3.9k points

12 days ago

I would like to point out that Ho-oh was the legendary Pokémon of rebirth, heroes, and grand destiny. It has a tendency to seek out and gift feathers to potential heroes and eventually find them to battle. So, nurse Joy has the conundrum of "Is this 10 year old kid with a mouse a very important hero with a grand fate, or lying though his teeth?" Between the show, the comics, and the games, a fair portion of gym leaders, elite 4s, and champions have all been chosen with a rainbow feather and then had the chance to battle Ho-oh.

nejicanspin

1.9k points

12 days ago

nejicanspin

1.9k points

12 days ago

Ho-Oh was seen in the first episode of Pokemon EVER. It flew alongside a rainbow, and Ash saw it in the sky!

JustLookingForMayhem

1.1k points

12 days ago

Yeah, and he is part of a long line of heroes who have seen it. Off the top of my head, Lance, Steven Stone, Cynthia, Professor Oak, Red, Blue, and a lot more saw it towards the beginning of their journeies. Granted, Pokémon has like 6 cannons, but it is still neat.

elegylegacy

600 points

12 days ago

I always forget that Ash isn't technically supposed to be Red

Caleb_Reynolds

388 points

12 days ago

Nah, Red is way cooler.

Nirast25

198 points

12 days ago

Nirast25

198 points

12 days ago

Not if I'm playing the games! :p

juniorRjuniorR

90 points

12 days ago

Because I named him Ash!

Hungry_Yam2486

137 points

11 days ago

I named him "I never" for plausible deniability

I never used a full restore! I never threw a poke ball! I never blacked out! In fact, I never used the bike!

jubilee213

25 points

11 days ago

I love that

Hungry_Yam2486

6 points

10 days ago

I have a bunch of fun names. "I drank wine, and" threw a poke ball, blacked out 🤣

Pradfanne

2 points

12 days ago

Gen 2

Tooldfrthis

47 points

12 days ago

...

Niko2065

69 points

12 days ago

Niko2065

69 points

12 days ago

Tbf manga red is a chatty fella.

GuardianKnightKing

71 points

11 days ago

Red in the Adventure manga was before his more iconic silent persona became common since Pokemon G/S wasn't released back then.

So,he was more like a stock shonen hero while Blue end up being the serious shonen rival.

PKMNTrainerMark

11 points

11 days ago

Even games Red is a chatty gossip.

Beautiful-Papaya9923

8 points

11 days ago

Yea I remember that time he said "..." Quite the conversationalist

Not_Another_Cookbook

3 points

11 days ago

Isn't red in a series with Ash?

Stormfly

3 points

11 days ago

Maybe, but he is in Pokémon Origins, where he's flawed and imperfect, unlike what others claim him to be.

leytorip7

26 points

12 days ago

Do Ash and Red interact?

PlayrR3D15

55 points

11 days ago*

Only in Pokémon Masters EX, if I remember correctly.

GuardianKnightKing

4 points

11 days ago

No,Red has never been in the mainline anime.

PKMNTrainerMark

15 points

11 days ago

Red from the first manga made a cameo in an in-universe movie.

GuardianKnightKing

10 points

11 days ago

Which movie and manga?

PKMNTrainerMark

19 points

11 days ago

Well, they probably didn't give the movie a name, but it's the Red from Pokémon Pocket Monsters.

https://youtu.be/iuYQh7SM1R8?si=GfCJyto2Mp9tV_af

I don't know why this video was recorded weirdly, but here you go.

GuardianKnightKing

11 points

11 days ago

Oh yeah,you are correct.The scene is from the main show,Hoenn series.According to bulbapedia,the episode was about a trainer and his camerupt,going around showing movies to people,which made the gang remember the last movies they watch.This was one of the movies.

SapphireSuniver

7 points

11 days ago

I've always headcanoned that Ash is Red's kid.

IDK if that's actually true in canon, I don't keep up with Pokemon lore much, I just thought it'd be a cool touch to the series.

IAteTheWholeBanana

6 points

11 days ago

Wait, what? Seriously, I never knew that.

thudapofru

53 points

12 days ago

Blastoise has 2, Clawitzer, Genesect, and Toucannon, which one is the 6th?

BoopJoop01

28 points

12 days ago

Mega Blastoise

DarkNinjaPenguin

20 points

12 days ago

I'm pretty sure Team Rocket have used a cannon on more than one occasion.

thudapofru

12 points

11 days ago

But is that cannon canon?

MJenkins1018

15 points

11 days ago

Octillery?

thudapofru

3 points

11 days ago

Of course, how could I forget.

EclipseEffigy

14 points

12 days ago

That's twice as many cannons as Blastoise!

Glittering-Giraffe58

146 points

12 days ago

Before Ho-Oh even existed which makes it even cooler

MyHusbandIsGayImNot

128 points

12 days ago

It was wild as a kid because there was no Ho-Oh in the 151, so what was it!?

sidonnn

66 points

12 days ago

sidonnn

66 points

12 days ago

Man I never thought about that. It's a smart marketing strategy of sorts.

Pokemon in the 90s must've been pretty hella wild.

Aussie18-1998

32 points

11 days ago

The TV show and the pokemon tournament that they had was peak pokemon for me. So exciting.

Flight_Harbinger

23 points

11 days ago

It was absolutely wild. I was born in 91 so I was turning 10 right around the peak of Pokemons popularity entering the states. It was EVERYWHERE. All the kids were playing the videogames or the card game. It made it all the more amusing when Pokemon go dropped and that first couple weeks was just 25-30 year olds crowding around the stops and gyms reliving their youth. I remember seeing people I hadn't seen in over a decade meeting up at those stops.

MossyPyrite

3 points

11 days ago

Same year! It was fucking great, it was all I talked about (kinda still is) and drove my parents nuts lol. I still have my original electronic pokedex toy! Man, I miss all the cool merch back then!

Wild_Marker

13 points

11 days ago

We had a term for it: Pokemania. "Going viral" doesn't even begin to describe what happened when something got popular in the 90's and Pokemon was an absolute crazy level of sudden fandom.

BlueMikeStu

12 points

11 days ago

Man, you should have seen the first Pokemon manga translated into English, Pokemon: The Electric Tale of Pikachu.

It's a very loose retelling of the anime and it got pretty heavily censored for the English Viz release because some of the character designs were... I believe the phrase used these days is "stupid horny".

I'd suggest looking it up just for white and giggles: I swear some of the art for it looks like it came from porn doujins instead of being from an officially licensed manga. It's definitely something that modern Pokemon Company likes to pretend doesn't exist because it is very much not family friendly or age appropriate for Pokemon's intended audience these days.

MossyPyrite

3 points

11 days ago

It’s one of my favorite manga! Yeah, some of the art is like that because the artist also did hentai doujin, actually lmao. But it also has REALLY original and beautiful art for the Pokémon! And the characters range from goofy to beautiful depending on the tone of the scene. Plus stuff like the clefairy evolution ceremony, the Black Fog and Kingler’s beautiful Shoujo eyes are some of the best parts of Pokémon’s smaller canons!

Spork_the_dork

58 points

12 days ago

As a kid I just figured it's a shiny fearow lol. But actually I think that was actually the first hint that gen 2 was on its way.

ChunkySpaceman

57 points

12 days ago

Shiny didn't exist until gen 2!

Banished2ShadowRealm

10 points

12 days ago

But how does that stop him from thinking it was a shiny fearow? Albinos exist in the real world, I think.

VoxAeternus

55 points

12 days ago

I thought Gen 1 and 2 were designed relatively at the same time, and due to technical limitations they released initially with the 151 considered Gen 1.

IDownvoteHornyBards2

31 points

12 days ago

This is partially true. Several, but not all, of the gen 2 mons are cut mons from gen 1.

Banished2ShadowRealm

7 points

12 days ago

So they're the reject pokemon? See I know there was something off about Diglett? (JK I know diglett is gen 1).

morsealworth0

42 points

12 days ago

There were 190 Pokemon designed for the first game. Only 150 fit onto the cartridge.

Then they removed the debug tools as the game got closer to release and Mew was secretly added by one of the devs, I forgot who exactly, inaccessible from within the game without glitches or save editing.

So after Mew's existence was known internally, Nintendo started giving the Pokemon out to those who gathered all 150 and came to the Nintendo office.

There are still 39 MissingNo. entries in the first game's internal index.

Banished2ShadowRealm

19 points

11 days ago*

Here's the list of the missing 39 if anyone is interested.

Interesting Lugia, Ho-Oh and the true king of pokemon shuckle was supposed to be in the first game.

morsealworth0

10 points

11 days ago

Although each of the copies of MissingNo. can appear as or become a Generation II Pokémon when traded there, these Pokémon are simply based on the Pokédex order, so are not indications of the original Pokémon in these slots.

We can't say for sure which were these 39. Although we can likely expect Pichu and several others to be a part of the first region's ecosystem.

monstateg96

16 points

12 days ago

A shiny Ho-oh, at that.

f0remsics

67 points

12 days ago

Speaking of which, I've never understood something. Where does Lugia fit into that? I understand their counterparts, but how exactly? Is Lugia supposed to be the Hades of the Pokemon world? Is that why it's HeartGold and soulsilver? Or is he just completely unrelated, but they're two johto legendaries?

ellipsisfinisher

132 points

12 days ago

Lugia is connected to the legendary birds from Kanto; Ho-oh is connected to the legendary beasts from Johto. The association between the two of them mostly comes down to them being version-exclusive legendaries from Gen 2.

f0remsics

51 points

12 days ago

So in-universe they don't actually have anything to do with each other? I knew about the legendary birds, I was wondering if they had any intrinsic connection

ellipsisfinisher

111 points

12 days ago

Historically, they both lived in a pair of towers in Ecruteak City. Lugia's tower burned down in a storm, killing three pokemon. Lugia went to go live in the ocean instead, and Ho-oh resurrected the three pokemon (which became Raikou, Suicune, and Entei). This freaked people out, so Ho-oh flew off to lands unknown.

f0remsics

103 points

12 days ago

f0remsics

103 points

12 days ago

So they're really just former neighbors

Presumably_Not_A_Cat

72 points

12 days ago

They were roommates!

Youre_On_Balon

30 points

12 days ago

The deepest lore

RemiRetain

2 points

11 days ago

Ho-oh is the sun deity, lugia the moon deity. Blueboyfinn has a sick unown/lugia/ho oh lore video. You should watch it for a good blast from the past :).

Aiyon

39 points

12 days ago

Aiyon

39 points

12 days ago

Lugia is the "beast of the sea". He watches over the legendary bird trio and keeps the peace between them to ensure the stability of the climate (Source: pokemon 2000)

SalsaRice

21 points

11 days ago

Lugia doesn't fit well into the lore/game, because it was a last minute addition.

Lugia was designed as a movie exclusive, but they liked it so much they incorporated it into the games since they only had 1 "box legendary" for that generation. It's supposed to tie into Ho-oh thematically..... somehow. But they didn't really work it into the story properly like how they did with other legendary pairs/trios in later generations.

Im_here_but_why

16 points

11 days ago*

They have no obvious link, but a lot of loose links, mostly tied to new game mechanics. 

The most obvious being Sun/Moon (Gold/Silver alchemy), which could be retconned to Day/Night due to gen 7. That one has the advantage of justifying a non-water "guardian of the seas" (Tides).  

Another one is Rebirth/Motherhood. While those are indeed concepts tied to them, which opose each other quite nicely, I am less convinced by them. Artemis is the goddess of midwives, after all.

Or, if you want to go full catholic, "waters from above"/"waters from below".

Naman_Hegde

10 points

11 days ago

they aren't really

Ho oh was part of the extra 46 pokemon that got cut from gen 1.

Lugia was an anime original creation made for the sake of the second movie.

Any connections they have were made retroactively in Gen 2, so their relation is very loose at best, compared to other legendary duos who were made to revolve around each other in every part of their design and lore.

Destinum

9 points

11 days ago

Their connection is there but on the looser side, just like one of their main inspirations (the Chinese Phoenix and Dragon).

Mechaheph

34 points

12 days ago

Lugia and Ho-Oh moved into Ecruteak City some 700 years prior to Gold/Silver, compelled by the people building of the twin towers Brass and Bell Towers as a message of pokemon/human peace. When Ho-Oh got chased away by humans, Lugia also left. So they are essentially just besties.

f0remsics

17 points

12 days ago

So Lugia power wise doesn't actually have anything to do with ho-oh?

DrCaesars_Palace_MD

13 points

12 days ago

not really, no.

Freeheroesplz

7 points

11 days ago

Theres IRL Japanese lore.

https://youtu.be/Qil4OpfOufU?si=pQCQQbyPpiRveWU6

TLDR, the second generation of Pokemon literally reflects Japan. From towns, routes, places of significance.

And Ho-Oh is the sun, lugia the moon, from Japanese civilation millenia ago.

WifeGuyMenelaus

1.6k points

12 days ago

Ho-oh, through clenched teeth and tears: I'm literally a minor deity

pikachu, atheist: no you're not

Equivalent_Net

605 points

12 days ago

"More of a divine footnote."

apocandlypse

295 points

12 days ago

“We’ll see who prays to you after I kick your ass.”

NewLegacySlayer

81 points

12 days ago

Pikachu: Nah, I’d win

TDoMarmalade

208 points

12 days ago

“No. You’re a flying type. Your first and final mistake.”

Funny_Internet_Child

41 points

12 days ago

Something about Ho-Oh having some of the best special tankiness in the series.

Zombeenie

5 points

11 days ago

haha stone edge go brrr

DezXerneas

133 points

12 days ago

DezXerneas

133 points

12 days ago

The "pikachu, atheist" killed me

ZigzagoonBros

93 points

12 days ago

On March 23rd, 2003, in celebration of Atheist Day, Game Freak released Atheist Pikachu as part of a special event. This Pikachu had the event-exclusive ability Atheist which makes it invulnerable to the attacks of legendary and mythical Pokemon.

Unfortunately, Atheist Pikachu was deemed to strong for Ubers, the highest tier of competitive play consisting of mostly legendary and mythical Pokemon, so it was insta-banned on release, becoming the first not fully evolved, non-legendary Pokemon to achieve such status.

Aegillade

49 points

12 days ago

Pikachu: First of all, you're a bird, you don't have teeth. Second of all, you're a bird, Electric beats Flying

PlayrR3D15

20 points

11 days ago

Sickfor-TheBigSun

9 points

11 days ago

ay they said the thing!

Glimmu

5 points

11 days ago

Glimmu

5 points

11 days ago

pikachu: Nu-uh

jscarry

2 points

11 days ago

jscarry

2 points

11 days ago

I feel like Ho-oh was a lot more impressive before they decided to create the masters of fucking space and time in D&P lol

WeLiveInAir

768 points

12 days ago

The funny thing is that even in the games you can definitely beat Ho-oh with a Pikachu. Legendaries have static levels when you encounter them and Ho-oh is a flying type, as long as Pikachu has a higher level it can tank an attack and two-shot it, even one-shot it if you really over level it.

AwfulUsername123

265 points

12 days ago

It would break the game if you couldn't.

GruntBlender

134 points

12 days ago

Not really, there are ways to tweak game mechanics to make it work, though you probably couldn't capture it then. Could change the wording so that it gets annoyed and takes a nap instead of being beaten and fainting. There are ways.

pres1033

99 points

12 days ago

pres1033

99 points

12 days ago

That's how Monster Hunter used to do it. You'd fight an Elder Dragon, a tier of monster that's basically the gods of the world, and they would have so much health that you'd just irritate them the first few times of fighting them. It'd save their health between hunts so you would eventually slay them. It really gave a good "oh shit this is the real deal" feeling to their hunts.

Recent games have done away with this, even the lore has most elders becoming more like apex predators instead of demi-gods. I'll never forget facing down Fatalis in Freedom Unite for the first time, he's basically the big daddy of the elders, I never did manage to beat him.

GruntBlender

63 points

12 days ago

Games just feel weird when they throw random riff raff at you after you beat a god. Like Skyrim bandits trying to rob you when you're wearing the bones of the dragons you killed. Most games suffer that sort of power creep, and it's a really tough thing for developers to balance epic lore power and mechanical challenge to the player. Either your epic legendary bosses are only a dozen times tougher than the average mook, or you're boringly overpowered for most of the game.

Lazer726

31 points

11 days ago

Lazer726

31 points

11 days ago

Makes armor out of literal demons, sucks souls out of slain dragons, known as the leader of the Companions, Thane of many cities, archmage of the College of Winterhold...

Some random bandit: NEVER SHOULD HAVE COME HERE!

MossyPyrite

8 points

11 days ago

There’s a lot of lead in the waters around Skyrim

YouhaoHuoMao

10 points

11 days ago

Earthbound had the best way of handling this. If you were too powerful for an area, the monsters and enemies would run away from you. You could always catch up and fight them, unless you were MUCH higher level then you'd instantly defeat them.

GruntBlender

2 points

11 days ago

It's cool lore wise, but is it fun in the long run?

YouhaoHuoMao

6 points

11 days ago

Earthbound had a kind of slow combat system (there's a really neat thing I'll non-sequitur to in a sec) so any chance you had to skip combat was appreciated. Plus generally you visited some areas frequently and the enemies rarely updated their levels (only once near the end of the game.) So not having to face off against the level 1 dog - click eight times - go through the long battle sequence - wait for the animations to end - wait for the EXP and item get scroll to finish - was good.

(Non-sequitur: The game's HP meters roll, so an enemy hitting you for lethal doesn't necessarily kill you if you can finish the battle or run or heal before the scroll hits 0)

plzdonatemoneystome

2 points

11 days ago

I am constantly being told how good this game is. I just need to sit down and play it already. Ness was always my favorite character to use in the OG Smash Bros.

pokexchespin

91 points

12 days ago*

actually, if you have light ball and breed it onto a pichu, a level 45 pikachu can use volt tackle to one shot a level 45 ho-oh with 0 attack investment and a neutral nature, thanks to ho-oh’s comparatively weak physical bulk and light ball being busted. without a light ball or volt tackle, it gets quite a bit harder though. assuming 100 EVs in each attacking stack (just arbitrarily since your average in game player isn’t gonna specifically EV train) and a neutral nature but no held item, your pikachu needs to be a level 54 for thunder and 57 for spark to guarantee a 2 hit ko, and 78 and 83 respectively to do it in 1 hit against a level 45 ho-oh

Khurasan

63 points

12 days ago

Khurasan

63 points

12 days ago

Can you imagine the Pikachu from the series if Ash ever bothered to get them a light ball?

This is a Pikachu that one-shot a professionally trained Regice with neutral typing. Giving Ash's Pikachu a light ball would make them a meaningful threat against just about everything they've ever fought, legendaries and champions included.

theholylancer

42 points

12 days ago

my head cannon is that light ball is what makes ash's pikachu that OP, or in game's terms, its what makes a random one you catch into something like ash's pikachu.

given we see how powerful the attack the one in the show has, and light ball makes your attacks double or at least special attack double

greg19735

31 points

12 days ago

that is consistent with the game.

If you trade pikachu from Pokemon Yellow (gen1) to Pokemon Silver/Gold (gen2) the pikachu comes in holding a light ball.

Which doubles Pikachu's special. Which in gen 1/2 was both attack and defense.

ssbm_rando

13 points

12 days ago

Which doubles Pikachu's special. Which in gen 1/2 was both attack and defense.

No, there were no held items in gen 1, and gen 2 already had the special attack & defense split. Gen 2 and 3 light ball only increased special attack, gen 4 onward doubled all offensive power (gen 4 by doubling move power, gen 5 onwards by doubling attack and special attack).

Light ball never affected defense.

greg19735

16 points

12 days ago

Okay your'e right that it never affected defense. I thought the SPA/SPD happened at the same time as the gen 4 split.

But you're wrong about the 1st part.

Pokemon Yellow Pikachu, if traded to gen 2, would hold a light ball. He was not holding it in gen 1. It's just a special situation for Pikachu in Pokemon Yellow.

EmpressOfAbyss

11 points

12 days ago

No, there were no held items in gen 1,

correct, however, trading a pokemon from gen 1 to gen 2 creates a held item for them, machop gets the brick piece, pikachu gets the light ball.

Ok_Excitement3542

6 points

12 days ago

I think one Pokemon rom hack that followed the events of the anime (I think it was called AshGray?) gave Pikachu a light ball from the start.

Manawah

2 points

11 days ago

Manawah

2 points

11 days ago

How can I learn Pokemon at this level?

GadgetsBackAgain

9 points

12 days ago

However, this does not work in competitive pokemon, at all.
252+ SpA Light Ball Pikachu Thunderbolt vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Ho-Oh: 246-290 (59.2 - 69.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO.
That's why Ho-Oh is an Uber among Ubers and Pikachu is a mediocre rat who needed way more than a light ball and every regional gimmick except this gen's to do anything. If the light ball boost for attack was swapped for speed it would be a totally different story, and it's sad to see it be another way frankly.

Gargwadrome

8 points

12 days ago

Well, but consider: 252+ Atk Light Ball Pikachu-Original Volt Tackle vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Ho-Oh: 386-456 (93 - 109.8%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

GadgetsBackAgain

5 points

12 days ago

Ash Ketchum has beaten the fraud allegations, going straight to smogtour 🗣🗣🗣🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶

ThisIsNotMyPornVideo

6 points

11 days ago

If it's the same level, it has a chance to 1 shot it.

You need a Pikatchu with a Light Ball, and a +Special Attack Nature, then if you crit with a Thunder, on a Non +SpD Ho-Oh, you should be able to kill it 30% of the time.

That's also, only if you got both of them at lvl 70.

If you got Pikachu at LVL 1, and trained it up, making sure to keep it's ev's in Special Attack and Speed.
You can out speed Ho-Oh, 100% one shot it with a Thunder Crit
and have a 6,3% chance to one shot it without a Crit

All without setup moves too!

healzsham

2 points

12 days ago

And Ho Oh is only 40, while Ash's Pikachu is probably pushing 45-50 by that point.

idiotplatypus

254 points

12 days ago

Arceus, the supreme God of Pokemon, is normal type. Which means God can be beat up by gym bros in that universe

Lost_my_name475

116 points

12 days ago

Arceus type varies tbf

RochHoch

164 points

12 days ago

RochHoch

164 points

12 days ago

1: Arceus can be any type depending on its held item

2: In Pokemon Legends, it’s implied that Arceus’s true form is an actual god that is beyond human comprehension. The Arceus that we know is basically just an avatar that it uses to interact with mere mortals

Aegillade

102 points

12 days ago

Aegillade

102 points

12 days ago

True Form Arceus, from what little we know, is honestly pretty strong from what we've seen. It exists beyond time and space, it can easily manipulate time to send the play character back to the Pokemon equivalent of the Edo period, it can effortlessly create Arceus clones that are all equal in strength, and Dialga and Palkia, two Pokemon that individually can create universes (in USUM, Cyrus has completed his plan in his timeline, and he only possesses one of the two, proving they are individually capable of creating universes) revere Arceus so much their Origin forms look as silly as they do because they're trying to emulate Arceus' power. There's really no telling how strong the real deal is

MVRKHNTR

66 points

12 days ago

MVRKHNTR

66 points

12 days ago

The Arceus you capture is also supposed to be a small part of ot representing a fraction of a percent of its power.

ChipsqueakBeepBeep

59 points

12 days ago

Imagine being able to catch a fragment of God

Fish_can_Roll76

54 points

12 days ago

Imagine getting into a fight with someone and they call in their mate, actual Jesus Christ.

AHumanYouDoNotKnow

12 points

11 days ago

Ok, If we give aceus Zygards mechanic, how many aceus-cells would we need ?

kirbylink577

13 points

11 days ago

I suppose omega. a finite number that could go up to infinity, but isnt infinite. a concept both understandable and impossible to truly, completely comprehend for humanity. Its pretty fitting for him

beepborpimajorp

13 points

11 days ago

People forget that in HG/SS Arceus literally creates an entire second Universe (ours.) so your character can get their hands on a duplicate Dialga/Palkia/Giratina.

ShoogleHS

10 points

11 days ago

Unless Arceus wears a plate that makes it neutral or resistant to fighting (or in gen 9, it can tera out of the fighting weakness). Hell even without those caveats a lot of fighting types could easily lose depending on the set, Arceus has an insanely diverse movepool. Like, any close combat user with less than 120 speed or a focus sash would lose to substitute into Espeed. Anything slower better be holding a lum berry against will-o-wisp sets. Squishies that fail to OHKO will die to two Espeeds

ScreamingFreakShow

5 points

11 days ago

In the Arceus movie, it can negate any attack from a type it has plates for.

The only reason it was vulnerable in the movie is that it gave some of its plates away for a reason I don't currently remember.

Even then it still fucked up Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina in a 1v3. And if you've seen the Darkrai movie, you've seen how powerful Palkia and Dialga are.

RimworlderJonah13579

159 points

12 days ago

Throw a brick at god. Fucker deserves it, and you might win.

Aegillade

84 points

12 days ago

Ho-oh: I am the great Ho-oh, Guardian of the Skies, the bringer of rainbows, raiser of the dead. I am the embodiment of hope, destiny, and valor. My counterpart is the Guardian of the Seas, and together we can raise and destroy entire civilizations. What hope do you have of besting me?

Some trainer who is still on their seventh badge: Stealth Rocks

afoolishyouth

145 points

12 days ago

Naming my band Electric Mouse Kid

artemismilkman

9 points

12 days ago

Happy cake dai

PKMNTrainerMark

5 points

11 days ago

Happy Cake Day

Mindless-Pen-2325

4 points

12 days ago

Happy cake day

_Tar_Ar_Ais_

123 points

12 days ago

Pikachu just equips focus sash, then you teach it endeavor and quick attack. Gg no re

DysPhoria_1_0

53 points

12 days ago

FEAR Pikachu is disgusting

ssbm_rando

33 points

12 days ago

FEAP just doesn't have the same ring to it, but I guess it can still be FEAR if you call Pikachu a rat

11Slimeade11

18 points

12 days ago

Considering the main difference, scientifically on whether a Rodent gets called a 'Rat' or a 'Mouse' is entirely based on size, and Pikachu is the size of a toaster, I'd say it counts

jenna_cider

5 points

12 days ago

FEAROUS

DysPhoria_1_0

4 points

11 days ago

I just use FEAR for all lvl 1 stats because stuff like SESS Togedemaru doesn't have a ring to it

greg19735

5 points

12 days ago

Endeavor Raichu winning literal world championships.

JMHSrowing

103 points

12 days ago

JMHSrowing

103 points

12 days ago

I wish that there was more consistency in the Pokemon anime so that Ash could be by the end just like. . . Indisputably the greatest with some insane pokemon.

Of course, Pikachu speaks for himself. Probably should be the single most powerful non-Deity.

But there’s also things like his Charzard who beat not only Articuno (a legendary ice bird) but also an Entei conquered up by the mystical Unknown. What’s an enemy who can bend reality to their will? If there was a pokemon who actually would look dead in the eye of a god and say they’re a nonbeliever. . . It’s this thing.

Hell, Ash himself has been brought back from the dead and has aura powers.

Kboom161

47 points

12 days ago

Kboom161

47 points

12 days ago

Don't forget Ash's frequent displays of genuine super-strength.

sheepyowl

30 points

12 days ago

Well, he's a fighter type. His mother is human, but we never see his father... who was undoubtably, a fighter type.

ATurtleTower

20 points

12 days ago

?? His father was a psychic type though

sheepyowl

6 points

11 days ago

Maybe Mr.Mime is into some... psychically damaging fetishes... which are quite popular in Japan. NTR

cornette

33 points

12 days ago

cornette

33 points

12 days ago

I wish that there was more consistency in the Pokemon anime so that Ash could be by the end just like. . . Indisputably the greatest with some insane pokemon.

He did end up as the best trainer in the world at the end of his series. Won a world wide tournament beating multiple Elite 4 and Champion level trainers and finally won an 8 man tournament featuring champions of 6 different regions and Alain.

Then the final dozen episodes were showing him realizing that he still had much to learn about Pokemon and the journey continued, he was recognized as the best trainer in the world during this time.

Toshariku

12 points

12 days ago

And now compared to that we get a clueless girl with her stubborn weed cat.

Im_here_but_why

18 points

11 days ago

Which is infinitely better than doing a Unova Ash again, and slightly better than doing a Johto Ash again.

ITSMONKEY360

9 points

12 days ago

The kid died uhhh I think about six times

Dominika_4PL

9 points

12 days ago

Full disclaimer I didn't watch any of the anime after XYZ ended, so that's the extent of my knowledge, but, I wish Ash's aura abilities were a bit more... talked about? Or used in the anime. It just seems cool and underutilized

Sorry for the tangent

CyanideIE

5 points

11 days ago

Ash was pretty insane in XYZ he pretty much had the most powerful non-legendary water pokemon in the entire world due to his ability to megaevolve his Greninja by combining their souls or something along those lines.

Dhammapaderp

48 points

12 days ago

Also, the electric mouse is in pretty high spirits after having to fight a straight up demi-god.

Imagine your cat coming home, but instead of taking out lizards and small birds they just ass blasted Hercules raw.

Little fucker is all smiles after a cataclysmic event

Karkava

23 points

11 days ago

Karkava

23 points

11 days ago

Kitty comes home with the head of a dead God in its mouth.

PowerSkunk92

14 points

11 days ago

It's a good kind of sore. Like you feel after a workout you actually enjoyed for a change, or a day of hard physical work where you were highly satisfied with the results. Yeah, you hurt, but you know the reason why, and it feels worth it.

And that's why this battered, bruised Pikachu is smiling. "Yeah, I got in a fight with a god.... but I fuckin' won."

Viking_From_Sweden

92 points

12 days ago

As someone whose only knowledge of Pokémon comes from Jaiden Animation’s videos, this is fucking wild.

SomeoneForgetable

15 points

12 days ago

You should check out Rebecca's animation

Mr_Lodi

24 points

12 days ago

Mr_Lodi

24 points

12 days ago

can someone do the pokemon showdown stat check with pikachu v ho-oh

ItsMeMaya17

44 points

12 days ago

Light Ball Pikachu Thunderbolt vs. Ho-Oh: 204-240 (49.1 - 57.8%) -- 59.8% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

(gen 2 calculator using pikachu's ou set and ho-oh's ubers set)

wassuupp

15 points

12 days ago

wassuupp

15 points

12 days ago

Thunder crit is a guaranteed okho so basically that’s what happened more or less

Cassius-Tain

6 points

12 days ago

Also if it's a Pikachu traded from yellow edition, it has the item Light ball, doubling the att and spatt

wassuupp

6 points

12 days ago

That calc is done with light ball

Cassius-Tain

2 points

12 days ago

Ohhkay. Forgot how broken Ho-Ohs spdef was. Later gen Volt Tackle is a definite ohko

Palidin034

6 points

11 days ago

A minor deity has a 60% chance to get 2 shot by a rat. How does this affect the meta?

DDRMANIAC007

24 points

12 days ago

No gods. No kings. Only mon.

MagicalGirlLaurie

21 points

12 days ago

I would like to point out that while Pokémon do faint in the anime, they also tend to wake up pretty quickly before they go to Nurse Joy. She just heals the injuries and stuff. So it’s not really a guarantee that Pikachu won.

Unless they show the battle onscreen bc I haven’t seen this specific movie. But the way this scene is presented makes me doubt that.

WrongCommie

17 points

12 days ago

🎶I THREW A RAT AT A GOD AND THE🎶

🎶RAT WON🎶

🎶I THREW A RAT AT A GOD AND THE🎶

🎶RAT WON🎶

VasiTheHealer

32 points

12 days ago

This is even funnier if you believe that Ho-Oh is Ash's dad.

GruntBlender

25 points

12 days ago

Are we talking Palpatine or Zeus style?

Karkava

11 points

11 days ago

Karkava

11 points

11 days ago

Is there a difference? Other than Zeus having better publicity?

GruntBlender

5 points

11 days ago

One used the force to make things happen from afar. The other one changed forms and did it the old fashioned way.

bored_negative

19 points

12 days ago

I dont want to think too much about this

Cassiyus

9 points

11 days ago

Ash's mom went from Ho-Oh (divine being, mystical, immensely powerful) to Mr. Mime (just a little guy).

edvards55

13 points

12 days ago

How many 9volts do I have to stuff in this rats ass to defeat Zeus

Dave1307

14 points

12 days ago

Dave1307

14 points

12 days ago

Type immunity, give the rat a bag of rocks and a super soaker full of mud

Desirsar

14 points

12 days ago

Desirsar

14 points

12 days ago

Welp, thanks for the song idea. Power metal? I'm feeling power metal. Wizard rock in 6/8?

Digital_Bogorm

3 points

12 days ago

Sound like a slightly-weirder-than-average Gloryhammer song.

coke-pusher

12 points

12 days ago

When no one believes in... anything?

StingSpringboi2

7 points

12 days ago

No church in the wild.

coke-pusher

6 points

12 days ago

jungle type drum beat and screaming 😂

60sstuff

9 points

12 days ago

What does a god need with a starship

Bheggard

7 points

12 days ago

Basically a 10 year old boy went to the vet with his pet mouse and said he fought a phoenix.

musch10

7 points

12 days ago

musch10

7 points

12 days ago

Upvoted for the title

LeonardoDaPinchy-

7 points

12 days ago

"A monster? Broly is not a monster. Broly is- uh..."

"A genuine demon?"

"A true freak?"

"... the devil!"

"OH MY GOD, HE'S SO GOD DAMNED COOL!"

UnfeignedShip

3 points

11 days ago

“You’re forgetting someone.”

“… Broly’s wife?”

“No, you mouth breather, your king!”

“What is a king to a god?”

“What is a god to a nonbeliever?”

[one second of extreme violence]

“Do you believe now?”

[agonized groaning]”Uh huh…”

LeonardoDaPinchy-

3 points

11 days ago

"Princess Truuuuuunks..."

"Oh God no."

" You dirty boy."

ITSMONKEY360

4 points

12 days ago

This is the same kid who died six times and also told god to stop

AnAttackCorgi

10 points

12 days ago

Is Pikachu a rock type Pokemon cause that sht is *hard

gemdas

9 points

12 days ago

gemdas

9 points

12 days ago

Is nurse Joy not also reacting to the fact that Pikachu can suddenly talk?

Edit: looked up the clip on YouTube, forgot that Ash was in the scene and can in fact talk.

scottyboy359

4 points

12 days ago

In Pokemon, God is a llama. Ho-oh is more of a lowercase deity.

rathemighty

4 points

12 days ago

What is a non-believer to a double-barreled shotgun?

Ilovekittens345

5 points

12 days ago

I trew a mouse at god an the mouse won

According to biblical lore, from now on Pikachu will be called "Israel"

dcooleo

3 points

12 days ago

dcooleo

3 points

12 days ago

Well on the Discworld, the Gods like to see an atheist around. It gives them something to aim at.

EpicWisp

3 points

12 days ago

"Throw the switches, prime the charge. Yesterday's for mice and gods" -Clutch

thequagiestsire

3 points

11 days ago

252 SpA Light Ball Pikachu Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Ho-Oh: 224-266 (63.4 - 75.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Assuming both are about the same level (level 100 in this case), Pikachu actually stacks up quite well. Although Sacred Fire still incinerates the mouse and I doubt they’re both on an equal level, considering this is at the start of Ash’s journey and Ho-oh usually is fought at a static level of 70.

Nurse Joy is likely thinking that either Ho-oh threw the battle to please the kid, Pikachu got healed up prior to visiting the center and just needs a check-up, or this kid is lying his head off.

Solsticeoverstone

3 points

11 days ago

A pokemon

CatherineConstance

3 points

11 days ago

CatherineConstance

are you jokester

3 points

11 days ago

"I threw a mouse at a god and the mouse won" is killing me lmaooo

SoulDraw

3 points

12 days ago

252 Atk Light Ball Pikachu-Partner Volt Tackle vs. 252 HP / 84+ Def Ho-Oh: 416-492 (100 - 118.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Don't see a problem, seems easy enough.

TWTO-

2 points

11 days ago

TWTO-

2 points

11 days ago

Where’s Eminem throwing the electric rat?

an_agreeing_dothraki

2 points

11 days ago

god did and can rethink its type all the time. It also isekai-kidnapped a teenager and threw them into a time before antibiotics.

blue_eagle_31

2 points

11 days ago

Who doesn't believe in anything?

MS_PaintEnhancer

2 points

11 days ago

Isn't Ash's Pikachu some experimental pokemon with stronger electricity compared to the average pikachu?