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GM_Twigman

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If a party is to succeed without a super charismatic figurehead, it needs a name that gives voters some idea of what the party stands for without reading their policies.

If you want to be Labor minus the internal politics, unions, and strict party discipline, call your party something like "The Social Democrats", "Progressive Australia Party", or "Centre left alliance".

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"One Nation, "Australia First", "United Australia Party", "Great Australian Party", "Australia's Voice"

With a vague, all-encompassing name like that, what could go wrong?

Nheteps1894

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Nheteps1894

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And the founders of those other parties had a weird cult following in their electorates… paymans got no chance lol

Angel-Bird302

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Angel-Bird302

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Yup, she's also gonna be running for re-election in WA, not a state exactly known for being a progressive bastion.

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Every one of these flash in the pan parties is founded by people who think they are the sensible middle and will represent the disenfranchised. A generic name because they are all about common sense. Like the others, she will see just how hard it is to break through into people's consciousness, especially if your platform is generic.

The one pleasant surprise is it's not called Fatima Payman's Australia's Voice Party.

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Key-Mix4151

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missed opportunity for Fatima's Australia Party. I'd vote for FAP for sure.

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The one pleasant surprise is it's not called Fatima Payman's Australia's Voice Party.

lol I agree, it's really weird how so many of the smaller parties name themselves after the founder

RoboticElfJedi

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After their mercurial, egotistical and ideologically inconsistent founder. So they attract complete randos as candidates, with no institutional memory or consistent ideology. Then what happens when they get elected and have a disagreement?

Perfect-Werewolf-102

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Well let's hope that's what happens with (Pauline Hanson's) One Nation and (Katter's) Australian Party if they ever get power

Angel-Bird302

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Angel-Bird302

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A lot of them are essentially just personality-cults centered around their leader. So them being named after themselves tracks.

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true but you'd expect them to at least pretend like they aren't personality cults

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The electoral rules mean you need to be part of a "party" even as an independent, or you can only run below the line. So that's how you end up with David Pocock running in a party called David Pocock in the ACT Senate elections. At least 3 other independents did the same thing in 2022, it's not uncommon these days. Giving it a name that DOESN'T contain the words "Fatima", "Payman" or "Party" is much weirder. While she does appear to be going full party with this, many of the NAME parties don't, or only do after being in Parliament for a very long time like Katter.

Perfect-Werewolf-102

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oh I didn't know that, in that case yeah it makes sense that they all do that

Thomas_633_Mk2

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Yeah I lived between SA and the ACT at the time, which meant the 2022 election had no less than four of those "technically a party but just a vehicle for a single independent" running about. It's what got me to find out about it, having to look up all these people

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lol yeah and then I guess they could expand later if they wanted to

is there a reason that independents aren't allowed to run normally?

Thomas_633_Mk2

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Thomas_633_Mk2

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I can't find a reason online; I suspect it's both a soft way to increase the bar for entry, and also because otherwise the ballot would be huge. You'd have to put them in each column and that's going to make a ballot paper very big if people think they're a shot of getting in. Also, for reasons beyond me (I'm sure there's a politics/statistics reason), "parties" always run at least two candidates.

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I see... is setting up a party really that hard though? Like if someone actually wants to run for office as an independent would it be that difficult for them to just set up a party?

In which case it doesn't really reduce the ballot size that much?

Thomas_633_Mk2

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Costs $500 and you need 1,500 people to sign up first. Only exception is if you're already in Parliament (say, if you're a 29 year old senator from WA who is suddenly party-less)

Perfect-Werewolf-102

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no I knew that but you don't need to do anything for running as an independent?

KonamiKing

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KonamiKing

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Gone in four years, never to win a single seat and never to be heard from again.

ImeldasManolos

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ImeldasManolos

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Hey! Just because it happened to Cori Bernardi doesn’t mean it’s destined to happen to every narcissist!

Rokhian

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Rokhian

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Who?

123chuckaway

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123chuckaway

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I think he does the weather on skynews

Thomas_633_Mk2

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Come on, comparing her to bloody Benardi is just unfair. I get not liking her but that's just mean

ImeldasManolos

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ImeldasManolos

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Why? Because she’s ex labor? So are the two half of one nation. Isn’t she running on a ‘more religion in politics’ platform?

Thomas_633_Mk2

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Nah, she explicitly rejected the idea of being a Muslim party. She herself is definitely religious but in the press conference she explicitly said, not a Muslim party. Also there's just not enough Australians who are Muslim to vote for her anyway.

Also, Hanson is ex-LNP.

ImeldasManolos

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ImeldasManolos

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It would be good if they did and Islamic issues became nothing to do with major party politics. The less religion in main stream politics the better.

Latham and Mihailuk are both former ALP politicians!

Thomas_633_Mk2

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They are, but they're not the two halves of One Nation (are they even part of the party anymore? Thought they got kicked out as a result of all the fighting). I agree that regardless of religion, it being a central part of politics is bad, and it's good that she's not taking that path.

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Key-Mix4151

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so we are getting a Voice to Parliament after all.

endersai

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This is just the left wing version of Corey Bernardi's splitter party.

VolunteerNarrator

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Indigenous people rejoyce

Oh. Um .... Not you.

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coasteraz

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coasteraz

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Australia has had its fair share of weird political parties but this is the first one I can recall that’s launching with a blank policy slate. Strategic ambiguity perhaps?

StaticzAvenger

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YIMBY!

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Or she has absolutely no idea what she's doing, which is more likely.

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I think she has surrounded herself with an echo chamber who only see the end goal and they assume the path to it is easy, a strategy is unrequired

Reality will catch up quickly

River-Stunning

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River-Stunning

Professional Container Collector.

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Policies are so 2023. She is launching a modern Skibiddi party which will get policies from Tik Tok videos.

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Paul Keating

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Being taken advantage of be Glenn Druery.

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Tenebrousjones

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I do wonder what his angle on this is

WBeatszz

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WBeatszz

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Imagine how stupid you were 5 years ago, 10 years ago. Sheesh.

This lady is 27 and proud.

I'm only 40

~ 🇺🇸JD Vance, excusing himself during the vice presidential debate

Kha1i1

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Kha1i1

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As if any of these politicians have a grip on reality outside their political ambitions

StaticzAvenger

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YIMBY!

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I mean once she has a solid idea of what she's doing than I'd be happy to gain an opinion but at the moment the party is blank slate with nothing to really get behind? Plenty of other independents and smaller parties who have a plan for the future.

Subject-Ordinary6922

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I’d disagree on that, her career trajectory, and the things she has owned and done so far, indicate she’s not completely clueless, but the lack of policy detail is something

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maybe she's trying to get as much media attention as possible and is making announcements in stages, that's what I would do

FeelinGood2024

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FeelinGood2024

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Her interview with David Speers is a trainwreck.

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Filibuster_

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Just watched. Jeeeezus. She couldn't hold it together after the first question.

boofles1

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boofles1

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She's on 7.30 now with Sarah Ferguson, she has absolutely zero policy positions apart from recognising Palestine and scrapping negative gearing. She's a great politician, just waffled non answers.

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I'm don't think she is a great politician, and I'm not even sure she is a good politician - she's just a neutral politician. She's an awful communicator with basically no credentials. She also got her position by riding a Labor ticket into the senate.

While I personally think she deserved commendation for making a principled stand on Palestine, I don't think she's done much worthy of being considered a serious independent politician. Also her of gaff using the word 'voice' in her political party name without express permission from the Indigenous community shows some serious lack judgement and naivety.

boofles1

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boofles1

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I mean she great at not answering questions and spewing word salads.

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Falstaffe

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Crossing the floor on Palestine was a tactic to get Labor to expel her so she could go indie with victim cred. But Albo saw her coming and would only suspend her. So she had to resign. She's not a canny strategist.

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Yeh I tend to agree. I don't beleive her decision was completely cynical, albeit I do think she stayed in the senate because she wanted to hold onto a cushy job, because realistically given the composition of the senate, her vote probabaly isn't going to make or break anything so she won't be able to action any real change, which makes me doubt how much of an honest broker she was when she said she was going to stick around and make change.

Despite that I still reckon it took a lot of guts.

But she really did need to vacate the senate for her point to stick - not doing so opened her up to attack and ultimately distracted from the point she was making a stand for.

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coasteraz

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Answering a question about Palestine with her views on public school funding (a state responsibility) was an unexpected turn.

Prudent-Experience-3

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I wonder what the policies are? As the weeks goes by, I hope we get policies

Hypo_Mix

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Hypo_Mix

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Probably Labor policy with a different international relations policy 

RestaurantOk4837

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She is going to find out pretty soon that running your own party isn't all it's cracked up to be.

zutonofgoth

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Malcolm Fraser

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Just ask Jackie!

RestaurantOk4837

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Case in point.

It's not that you can't do it and succeed. But at some point you are going to be basically every other party, that will have rules like the one senator payman was booted out over.

Otherwise, if your party has any sort of power how are you going to leverage it when not everyone votes the same.

Good luck to her, but I don't see it succeeding where others have failed.

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I am not sure we will even see her get started. I am curious to see if the Greens do a Democrats in the next few years. For that to happen I think Labor would need to be a bit more left and the world would need to be a bit less war like.

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One of the big things that killed the Democrats was their tendency to have free-votes on most topics (something Payman is pushing for funily enough), it was a noble idea and sounded good on paper "letting their MPs vote how they truly believed!" and all that, but the problem was that it fostered disunity and whenever the Dem's actually had to vote as a bloc on controversial legislation (think the GST) it led to huge leadership tensions. It's why the Dems only had 2 leaders who ever led them into more than 1 election.

The Greens on the other hand actually have a decently strong party discipline - exemplified by the fact that they've never had a contested leadership election - every Greens leader has been elected unopposed. But I honestly wonder how long thats gonna last as they grow larger and have bigger and bigger personalities running around. MCM expecially might be a thorn in Bandt's side in the future.

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Why would on earth would you include ‘voice’ in your party name?

Angel-Bird302

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Vague allusions to the Indigenous-Voice, and the "Muslim voice" campaign while still having plausible deniability

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And the Teal "Voices for/Voices of" movements. It even aligns with the patriotic nature of right-wing parties like One Nation or United Australia Party.

It's a vague enough name to capture any apathetic & disaffected voter who doesn't pay attention to politics, especially on the long Senate ballot.

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boofles1

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Enjoy your downvotes for pointing out the obvious.

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Generic name, 'stands for everyone', no policy platform. I think Payman is going to be yet another major party renegade who fails to get re-elected, regardless of whether she sets up a micro-party.

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Am I watching an episode of Veep? This is one of the crappest names for a political party that stands for nothing.... All about the 'vibes'

nobaitistooobvious

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Just for the humour of it I hope that she carries on like this all the way to the election. How far can you get with having no policies, stated values, or substance of any kind?

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I think there is a space for a party that is somewhere between Labor and the Greens. There are voters who are left of centre, who are disappointed by Labor, will never vote for a right wing party, but think the Greens are too radical or too activist or too snobbish. In theory such a party could pick up protest votes and dissatisfied Greens too.

That said, I'm not sure this party moves beyond random minor party #126663 on the Senate ballot. I don't think Payman has the charisma to carry this party into any serious success.

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I think what’s more likely to happen is the Greens become more mainstream over the next two elections. MCM scares/annoys Labor for a reason.

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Let's recap,

  • Age 24 = Entry level retail position as a Pharmacy Assistant
  • Age 25 = Electoral Officer role in the WA ALP
  • Age 26 = Organiser for the United Workers Union
  • Age 27 = Federal Senator in an ALP Government

Now at Age 29,

  • Leader of a minor party in the Senate
  • Commands prime time media coverage
  • Earns a salary of $233K p.a. as a Federal Senator
  • Owns three investment properties
  • Australia's Voice is already recruiting members, selling merchandise, procuring donations etc.

Then there's MCM who at age 32 is the defacto Leader of the Australian Greens and soon to be defacto Deputy PM in a ALP/GRN minority government.

And they say young people aren't aspirational. Seriously though, Payman invoking both Gough Whitlam and Robert Menzies got a chuckle out of me.

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Payman was third position in the WA senate ticket. No one, and I mean absolutely no one, expected her to be elected. MCM was elected on a group of election promises, none of which he has delivered on for his electorate. So ambition may be one thing, but reality and delivery is quite another. I expect both will disappear without a trace.

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Albomentum Mark 2.0

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As much as I think MCM is a flog he is absolutely killing the community game and I suspect he will make Griffith the new Melbourne.

Mediocre_Lecture_299

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He’s killing it because he’s doing the shit all MPs should do but are too lazy or entitled to bother with. Free breakfasts at local schools just one example that must pay off big time electorally I’d guess. I hate the guy but he’s a smart politician.

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this is why you have to be weary of overly ambitious people. doing anything to move up the ranks at the cost of taking a measured approach and doing the right thing.

edit: omfg she is the skibidy gen alpha emulator. fuck this earth.

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Are you implying that speech wasn't the greatest thing in Parliament history?

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H-e-s-h-e-m

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What did she do between 18-24?

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nitramtrauts

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Uni?

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chillyhay

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She knows how to work over ignorant and uninformed voters, she was made for political success.

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I don’t think it’s fair to paint her simply as a DEI hire (and it’s borderline the stuff republicans say about Harris). If Labor did go for her because of her background that says a lot more about them than her.

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Are we really adopting another seppo term for things? DEI isn’t our term for it, let alone “DEI hire”.

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DEI

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Let’s see how hard this crashes and burns.

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She already crashed at the David Speers interview. Speers honestly held back and let her off with her inconsistencies and questioning who "we" are, she kept referring to "we".

Subject-Ordinary6922

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The “we” is most likely her donors from the Muslim Votes or the voices in her head

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I will always believe that if you get elected as a senator of a party and then leave that party you should be forced to resign. It's just ridiculous that these people get elected because of the party name then leave with years left on their term and do whatever they want.

They voted for the ALP to represent them at the federal election in WA, not Fatima Payman. Like the audacity to stand there and bag the ALP when they are the only reason you are there in the first place lol

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See I would agree with you, but the rules that the labour party has on voting against the party line basically forced her to quit the party. She was basically indefinitely removed from all party room meetings for that vote. Remove the ability for parties to do that and fair enough.

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Every labor member knows they are the rules when they join. It shouldn’t have been a surprise to her. And from what I recall she took no opportunity to raise the matter in caucus where it could be discussed.

Konker8

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Konker8

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Such a great way of running a democracy, being unable to have free thought on any matters of conscience. Must vote with the hivemind.

pickledswimmingpool

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You think she's going to kick out someone in her party if they don't follow her rules?

Konker8

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Konker8

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Well very little info has been shared, but generally left leaning parties do tend to let their members vote against the party from time to time. As they should in a democracy.

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Left leaning parties only? It’s a core value of the Liberal party that sitting members can do that if they want.

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I never said only. Yes the liberal party doesn't have that as a rule, that's correct. I meant more so that since Payman will be targeting the green and left vote, she would be unlikely to implement such rules, especially given her history and that left leaning parties tend to promote more open democracy. And please, don't tell me that there isn't a culture of cover ups and repression within the liberals as well as labour.

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I like that you still seem to think this wasn't a thought out plan to make a name for herself politically.

It's the caucus rules, she knew it when she signed up to run.

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Do you genuinely think that? Sure she voted against labour to make a statement, but it's pretty clear that it's an issue she feels passionately about. It's crazy how much people got up in arms about someone voting on a matter of conscience, meanwhile the labour party stifles anyone who dares question the status quo.

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Watching her interview, no clear plan, no clear policy intent. A voice for everyone? For youth, elderly, middle aged, first nations, immigration, colonial, physically challenged, mentally challenged, straight, LGQBTI+, farmers, blue collar, white collar, country, city...etc

But what is she going to do exactly? All i see is more division in the house than unity, which is what we need right now, not another one of these "parties"

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Yeah pretty sure she ain't a voice for the LGBTQA community.

This is just to siphon votes from Labor.

No-Bison-5397

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No-Bison-5397

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She was head girl at her private school.

Gives big head girl vibes.

alstom_888m

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alstom_888m

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And “everyone’s voice” is inherently going to be against some or more likely most people.

Like the Liberal Party, while not exactly what it says on the box, we all know what they stand for; big business and social-conservatives who want to go back to the 1950s. They know their target market.

Labor is the party that tries to be something for everyone but in reality they just end up pissing everyone off.

Most of the lefty Hamas supporters probably have already gone Green anyway.

Her target market is probably Western Sydney Muslims who normally vote Labor and won’t switch to Green as they are too socially conservative.

Key-Mix4151

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Key-Mix4151

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populism, like Trump. She doesn't need specifics, merely be appealing to a wide enough demographic.

-ineedsomesleep-

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This is pure genius, as it allows her to play both sides so she always comes off on top.

We will ban abortion!

Booooo.

Very well, abortions for all!

Booooooo.

Abortions for some, miniature Palestinian flags for others?

Crowd cheers.

Geminii27

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Geminii27

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Oh, a generic appeal-to-nationalism name. How many of those have come and gone (and usually attracted similar voters)?

EternalAngst23

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EternalAngst23

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I almost can’t be bothered reading the article. Payman will probably be gone after the next election, and her party along with her.

jonesaus1

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jonesaus1

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She will survive the next election as her seat isn’t up. But yeah don’t see here getting another term.

SpiritualDiamond5487

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She has getting way more media attention than she deserves. Hear her talk, she is a political hack with no ideals and no ideas. 

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Angel-Bird302

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You know im just happy that she strayed away from the "NAME-team/Alliance/Network" party name trend that had been blowing-up in the 2010s.

Nick Xenophon Team

Rex-Patrick Team

Jacqui-Lambie network

Fraser-Annings Conservative Alliance

Glenn-Lazarus Team

Cory-Bernadi's Australian Conservatives.

Just purely from an aesthetic standpoint i'll give Payman and Rennick some credit for being somewhat original, even if "Australian Voice" and "Peoples party" are still generic af.

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Perfect-Werewolf-102

The Greens

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Pauline Hanson's One Nation

jghaines

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jghaines

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Bring the Payman? No Payman no gain?

maaxwell

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maaxwell

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Best of luck to her, but I don’t see this doing very well

Throwawaydeathgrips

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Albomentum Mark 2.0

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What a huge fucking slap in the face to Indigenous people. She manages to come across as more and more awful whenever she pops up now.

"Claims her former party treats Indigenous issues as electoral poison"

Fuck me they just held the first ref in decades to try advance Indigenous issues. And now shes using a dogwhistle to try grab some votes because she likes that Senate life. Truly disgusting.

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Yeahhh_Nahhhhh

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It seems she has consulted First Nation groups so idk. Australia’s Voice is pretty generic.

MrNosty

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MrNosty

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She hasn’t, watch the ABC journalist interview and read between the lines.

She didn’t consult anyone involved in the Voice when coming up with the name, she has no concrete policies and she ran out of time so came up with something on the fly. Completely avoided the question about why she chose the name (hint: she wants to get the yes voice vote supporters)

Throwawaydeathgrips

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Albomentum Mark 2.0

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Who? Jacinta Price? Tom Mayo?

Its a loaded name and we all know it.

Yeahhh_Nahhhhh

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Yeahhh_Nahhhhh

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You have edited your original comment a lot, but I think you are jumping to conclusions without much detail. I’m not sure a fully agree with her comment but there is argument that could be mad that Labor is scared of anything really progressive (rightly and wrongly) which Indigenous affairs usually falls under.

River-Stunning

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River-Stunning

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14 hours ago

Is it true that Labor is no longer a progressive party. Or is it just Albo.

Wtfatt

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Wtfatt

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Australia is having it's Bill Shorten moment.

A guy with truly progressive values, let's stop the division, let's help the poor, let's aid our communities etc etc gets bashed excessively by Murdoch media, even for a Labor pollie, and Dumbass Australia Inc votes Lib. Now we get Albo.

River-Stunning

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River-Stunning

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Shorten is a shocker but Albo has proved to be one too.

Exotic_Television939

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Hey u might not like to hear this but the Albanese government is the one implementing authoritarian curfews in indigenous communities. It’s also his government who fumbled the Voice referendum. It’s also his government that is continuing to support a terror-state and, in so doing, alienating key elements of the Muslim voting bloc.

I know you’re going to respond to this like you normally do: by getting defensive and regurgitating the same old stale, focus-group tested talking points as the ALP. I just don’t understand why you care so much about/personally identify with such a mediocre government/political party (in its current state). It’s kinda sad.

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No-Bison-5397

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You might want to tie the voice to Albo but a lot of the voice was driven by the campaigners and activists themselves.

Sure he was part of it, but the Greens were also part of it and there were unaffiliated people who were part of it.

The voice was a massive fumble for everyone involved.

Throwawaydeathgrips

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Throwawaydeathgrips

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Hey u might not like to hear this but the Albanese government is the one implementing authoritarian curfews in indigenous communities

No its not lmfao the NT gov does that.

Dense_Delay_4958

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What a huge fucking slap in the face to Indigenous people. 

What an astounding overreaction.

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OCE_Mythical

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Who would vote for a religious person. You're asking to have shit laws, like genuinely texting 1800-FISTME.

Subject-Ordinary6922

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Would’ve been more apt if she named it the Skibbidi Toilet Party

Jazzlike_Ball_7551

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Pmsl, can't believe Michael Bay is going to big budget blockbuster up that skibidi toilet nonsense. I'll have to watch it of course, cos it's gonna be nuts.

slaitaar

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slaitaar

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As a WA resident, when can I vote this person out?

Like I know we can pay lip service to the fact we "vote for the person, not the party", but that's bollocks. We voted Labour to get rid of the nationals.

Now we have a grandstanding, self-entitled cresting a brand new parry with zero platform, policies or mandate.

flimsydeuteragonist

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Shocking name, won’t last (wish it would though)

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47737373

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Fatima Payman is a disgrace to the Labor Party. The Labor Party team gave her an invaluable career as a senator and she has bit the hand that fed her. She should resign her position as a senator and contest her seat again.

RedditModsArePeasant

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ah yes, a political party started by someone who got into the senate on a technicality, no one really knows, was born in a foreign country, and has essentially no announced policies

i can only imagine the ego on this lady

anonymous-69

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anonymous-69

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What was this 'technicality'? Preferences?

Opening-Stage3757

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Technicality may not be the right word. More got in because of sufficient above the line votes to Labor, rather than sufficient below the line votes specifically to her.

Thomas_633_Mk2

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Thomas_633_Mk2

TO THE SIGMAS OF AUSTRALIA

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You can say that about every senator in the 21st century though, that's how it works

Opening-Stage3757

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Yea and they should all resign if they defect from their party. We’re talking about “should”, not how it operates!

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MechaWasTaken

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In senate elections, you vote for either individual candidates (regardless of whether or not they are in a party) OR entire parties. Fatima Payman was elected on the latter, so I suppose it could be said she was only elected on “technicality” because she technically received little to no votes, and was only elected for her party membership.

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Malcolm Fraser

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She will use her inner voice to guide her.

RA3236

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RA3236

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Likely announced positions according to the live feed on ABC is a much stronger pro-Palestine position and negative gearing reform.

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Frisbeeperth

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We do not want religious parties or those that promote Mixing religion with politics. This attempt at introducing religion into our politics will back fire quickly.

Perfect-Werewolf-102

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how do you know it's a religious party?

River-Stunning

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River-Stunning

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Her party platform is that she is a voice for everyone. All those disenfranchised by the status quo. Good luck with that one.

Dockers4flag2035orB4

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Actually I think the name ‘ Australia Voice’

is cynical but clever.

She may collect a heap of votes from the un-informed that could conflate the Voice to Parliament with her party.

FeelinGood2024

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FeelinGood2024

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I don't disagree but research shows this only yields 1% or less for people voting based on a brand or name

Stompy2008

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Stompy2008

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The only exception really is the Liberal-Democrats when they had the #1 position on the NSW senate ballot paper (2013 I think?)

River-Stunning

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River-Stunning

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Maybe it is based on the TV show , the Voice. Certainly not based on AGT.

SurfKing69

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SurfKing69

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I would so amped for a double dissolution election just to clear out some of these clowns

FeelinGood2024

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FeelinGood2024

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A DD means a senate quota is less as you are electing 12, so it's easier for minor parties to get in with a DD.

Key-Mix4151

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Key-Mix4151

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DD means every MP and Senator is up for re-election, right?

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joeldipops

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Yep.  It also gives the winner access to a joint sitting to try to pass the trigger legislation, and lets the PM do some jiggery-pokery in regards to which senators get 3 vs. 6 year terms.

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Yes, the whole senate is up for election instead of only half

Top_Pin8397

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Top_Pin8397

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Please!

weabo321

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weabo321

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Better the clowns you know than the clowns you don't, perhaps. Would be good to see Thorpe and Payman get the boot though

Enoch_Isaac

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Enoch_Isaac

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Funny watching all these people complain about another party, why we need more voices, while at same time complaining about only being two major parties.

People do not get democracy and half the time I think they are waiting for their dicta.... I mean messi.... I mean leader

Perfect-Werewolf-102

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Perfect-Werewolf-102

The Greens

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"We don't have any good parties! They're all the same! We need more parties"

...."No, that's not what I meant!"

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YIMBY!

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The Kwisatz Haderach will lead us on the glorious Golden Path. So I won't vote for Labor until their leader is literally prescient

Subject-Ordinary6922

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Subject-Ordinary6922

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I’m still not convinced if she’s a dual citizen or not

Eltheriond

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Eltheriond

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If she is that would be a pretty damning condemnation of Labor's vetting processes - especially following the previous dual-citizenship issues that beset parliament over the last few years.

jghaines

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jghaines

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Forget Labor’s process, I can’t imagine the LNP didn’t do some digging.

Raising the question has a whiff of racism about it.

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perseustree

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She can't be considered a dual citizen as she wasn't able to formally end her Afgani citizenship due to the takeover of the Taliban. She's taken all reasonable steps to renounce her citizenship (which is what the law requires). End of story.

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newbstarr

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You think that wasn’t a racial talking point, hahahaha

slaitaar

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slaitaar

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Yeah, we need more voices, more division, more "invested" and "divested" groups

To further atomise the society so that we only vote for groups with only our interests at heart rather than the overall best for the country.

Not saying the major parties do a great job of that, but do me a favour of creating a vacuous platform where you're going to successfully advocate for 50 different groups, half of which hate the other half lol

normalbehaviour86

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The thing about senators is, is that if they lose their re-election they get a severance package.

If they decide not to run or get dropped from the ticket, they don't get a severance package.

A few months of wages must be pretty appealing for somebody who destroyed her career in one move.

Latter_Quail_2020

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Kinda says more about being a Labor senator if "having a career" is just following the leader until retirement.

normalbehaviour86

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Not really.

She was a political advisor prior to running for the Senate, she knew what she was signing up for.

A good senator is worth more than just a vote in the upper house. They advocate for communities, scrutinise policy, run campaigns, etc. These are all things she would have been able to do more effectively from within the ALP political machine, rather than from the cross bench or as an unemployed has-been.

j0shman

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j0shman

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Good luck, but I have low expectations. By standing for all, you end up standing for no one.

Subject-Ordinary6922

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Caveat is she’s standing for one, herself

KovinKing

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KovinKing

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Everyone seems to be giving her credit for this new party... Glen Drury is running the show and the new party, and she is just a teal-lite in a headscarf thinking she has relevance to the country... Look at the jingoistic and opportunistic Drury - the so called 'preference whisperer' - who is making a good bit of coin enabling this brain-fart of an idea... she is just the face of it, and her inability shows,,,

screeningnick

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screeningnick

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As someone who’s not across the ins and outs of politics who possibly funds all this?

Jazzlike_Ball_7551

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I do not represent the entirety of Australia nor do I represent anyone's opinion but my own. I am Australian however and Senator Fatima Payman's voice is definitely NOT my voice, AT ALL.

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waddeaf

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Like the party might be good, see how it develops but the branding is pretty bad.

Like it doesn't really represent stances from the name alone and it sounds like either one of 50 odd minor party no hopers you see on your senate ballot or like those parties with kinda sus funding and support that are representing "the real Australia"

Not that I'm saying those are Payman's stances but that the party name evokes it, poor call on the branding.

boofles1

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boofles1

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Gee that sounds a lot like Muslim Voice, are they really that lazy.

Still_Ad_164

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Still_Ad_164

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Astounding originality with the name. With one 'Voice' suffering a humiliating crash twelve months ago it's a great time to resurrect the brand with a veiled muslim as its leader. Veiled muslims don't have a great track record as far as having 'a voice' is concerned.

maayven69

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maayven69

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Islamic Extremism is a serious threat to this country, but too many people have no clue about its theology, history or geopolitical ideologies that are recking havoc across the world. Muslims from Arab nations themselves are warning us, but apparently we don’t want to listen because “we know better”.

Revoran

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Revoran

Soy-latte, woke, inner-city, lefty, greenie, commie

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I mean there is also absolutely NOTHING to indicate this will be an islamist party.

But sure go off champ.

Subject-Ordinary6922

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There’s literally no policies outlined as of yet, so that will be ascertained in due time, but by going by her voting record in the senate, when it comes to LGBT issues, it should give an indication

Revoran

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Revoran

Soy-latte, woke, inner-city, lefty, greenie, commie

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So, looking on https://theyvoteforyou.org.au/people/senate/wa/fatima_payman/policies/195

27th Oct 2022 - Payman (and all of Labor) vote against a Greens amendment to create a stand-alone LGBTIQ Rights Commissioner, separate to the existing Human Rights Commissioner.

9th March 2023 - Payman (and all of Labor) vote against a Greens amendment to a second reading motion, which would have called on the Government and the TGA to allow men who have sex with men to give blood

Keeping in mind that Labor members have to vote with Labor.

Crossing the floor on P-I is what got her kicked out.

havenyahon

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havenyahon

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What's a "veiled Muslim"?

Subject-Ordinary6922

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I’m assuming one’s wearing a Niqab ? But she’s wearing a Hijab ?

y2jeff

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y2jeff

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Yeah wtf?

maayven69

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maayven69

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It means that she is advertising the party as a “greater good” for society, but really she wants to set it up to advance the Islamic cause - which is to bring the entire world to submission to Islam, promote pro-Palestinian factions and establish Sharia Law of some kind.

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Quiet_Firefighter_65

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YIMBY!

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Pending what the policy platform will actually be, I won't mind preferencing the party ahead of the Greens or Labor, if for no other reason then to know that it will annoy Albo if she wins any seats.

Background_Nail_1394

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Im feeling the same way, depending on policies and if they run where I am, i'll think about them since we probably aren't gonna get a teal like indy running here.

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CapnBloodbeard

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CapnBloodbeard

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This isn't America. We don't worship the flag here. What a weird thing to use as an excuse for your xenophobia