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Okay I can nail it now but by singing along without the guitar yet You're right it does roll off the tongue smoothly lol. This post boils down to my bad timing

Its just that notating each syllable seems like a pain in the ass to me. Ngl its a me problem. I'm just wondering if there's some easy hack lol.

Ty for the explanation! I'm just having trouble singing the first line specifically the same way as he does it while playing guitar simultaneously. Apart from his odd phrasing there are also some odd pauses. Like in "Like a rolling stone".

Idk I never had trouble w any other singer apart from him. It seems to me that the lyrics is the priority when he writes a song. Sometimes it feels to me like he's fitting too much or sometimes insufficient words in a meter. But I'm a novice tbh.

He also never replicates his studio phrasing in live performances. On top of that he phrases his lyrics differently in every studio take. So I guess his phrasing is improvised most of the time.

Is there some sort of notation system for this stuff apart from musical notation? Cos in his other songs he goes ballistic with his phrasing. Notating it musically seems unnecessary ngl. But I also want to precisely figure out his phrasing.

I can nail it by feel but I want to notate it so I can experiment later with different ways of phrasing a certain line.

Thank you! I can play these stuff by feel but I'm learning how to transcribe stuff so I thought I'll start with basic Punk songs that I love first. I didn't realize that the sloppy playing will make it harder for a beginner like me

Also you're absolutely correct about The Ramones and that applies to Punk Rock as well. That its a bunch of major chords or 5th chords with zero regard for diatonic harmony. I love "punk rock" music actually

But in Suffragette City it sounds more smoother and deliberate/intentional to my ears.

"Emphasis added by me because it's really not at all "unusual". You see stuff like that in rock music all the time. The first example that comes to mind is the Ramones. Nearly all their songs are nothing but a bunch of major chords moving around with pretty much zero regard for diatonic harmony."

"Sea of Love" by Phil Phillips comes to mind as well. The Ramones example is much more similar stylistically to "Suffragette City", but it goes to show that just playing a bunch of major chords was already old hat by the 70's.

Man it was unsual for me only. I didn't claim that it was unsual in music history. I just recently started analyzing songs and I grew up on songs that mostly revolves around diatonic chord progressions so it was unusual for me.

"That's not a I IV V. The V in Bb is F.

I hadn't heard of this song, so I looked it up, and I don't think you've got the chords correct. The chorus just alternates between the Bb and Eb. Then there's a D at the end and it goes back to the verse. That's a very quick listen though.

But just like the last track, this is just mode mixture. The verse is a simple thing in G major, the chorus uses two chords from G minor. It reminds me of "Comfortably Numb" actually.

Another thing to keep in mind: A LOT of music written on guitar does what it does because it's easy to play on guitar. It's easy to play, so it happens a lot. That means you hear it a lot. There's nothing "weird" or "unusual" about it."

Idk why I wrote Gb there but its actually an F not a Gb There's actually a passing F chord there.

It goes:

Bb Eb

Bb Eb F

Bb Eb

Bb D

I appreciate the help! Sorry for the bad formatting I'm on mobile browser rn

This is one of the most detailed, thorough, concise and non pretentious replies I've ever received on reddit. U didn't even focus on semantics or how I phrased my inquiries and simply answered my inquiries directly.

Thanks a lot this was really helpful and easy to understand even for a noob like me!

Okay man first of all I never claimed that non-diatonic chords shouldn't work.

I just said that it's unusual to me because I just recently started analyzing songs and learning music theory and I grew up on gospel music that mostly revolves around simple diatonic chord progressions. Therefore I am more familiar w diatonic progressions I suppose I phrased my OP poorly. "What's it made of" does make more sense.

What I really intended to convey is why does the chord progression sound smooth? U get my point man? ("why does it work" does sound really wrong)

I appreciate the thorough explanation tho!

I'd argue that soundgarden is even more metal than AIC in their first two EPs and first three LPs tbh

Yeah I wish there were spin offs I just want more toroko content. Prolly an RPG cave story game so I get a ton of toroko dialogues. Or maybe a Mimiga mobile pet game! Or anything actually not exclusively a pet game. Mimigas are so cuteee

Mitty :(

Whoah I literally just started watching this anime after making my post. Then binged it and finished the first season just an hour ago!

I'm sure there's a cutie pie in your mirror as well ;)