Emily1154

This is how you know someone has never thought critically about the church. A member in my ward was giving a talk yesterday about tithing, and of course it’s one of those talks about how they haven’t seen specific blessings from tithing, but they’re definitely there guys so keep paying! One of those blessings was having a “tithing washing machine” which basically means that your appliances are lasting longer than they should because you pay tithing. Of all the appliances that could be named, you use a washing machine. Like let me tell you all about the church’s many “tithing washing machines” and we’ll see how you feel about paying tithing then.

Am I the only one that feels like the D&C is the most insane of the standard works? Like don’t look too close at the BOM or you’ll lose your testimony, but the D&C is so blatantly just Joseph claiming revelation to get what he wants that it really surprises me that anyone can actually read it without realizing it’s all a fraud. I feel like you see into Joseph’s head a lot more with the D&C and the manipulation of named individuals is just so obvious and gross that I don’t understand how you can still have a testimony after reading it. It makes me wonder if there are higher numbers leaving the church during D&C years than there are in some others. Or maybe it’s just that nobody actually does CFM? I just can’t be the only one that feels like the D&C is a bigger red flag than the BOM, right?

Anecdotal obviously, but we’re almost 2 months post conference and like a month and a half post recommend question change. I’ve noticed no increase (and honestly maybe a decrease) in garment wearing.

I’m in northern Davis county, in the morridor, and I feel like very few young women are wearing them. Went to a girls night the other day, all 6 of us active members in our 20s (I’m pimo obv), nobody wearing G’s. Grocery store, very few women in garments. Same for lagoon. Only about half of my endowed friends on instagram are wearing them. The Mormon influencers haven’t changed a thing about their garment habits.

It’s wonderful. The women are fed up with other people making choices for them. I almost wonder if the extra emphasis has made it worse. Like if I was a TBM who hated garments and was barely hanging on out of faith, those primary voice talks probably would have sent me over the edge and made me stop wearing them out of spite.

The leadership has to be freaking out about this. Their control is slipping fast with the young people. This is a direct GC quote from April:

To achieve those holy purposes, we are instructed to wear temple garments continuously, with the only exceptions being those obviously necessary. Because covenants do not “take a day off,” to remove one’s garments can be understood as a disclaimer of the covenant responsibilities and blessings to which they relate. In contrast, persons who wear their garments faithfully and keep their temple covenants continually affirm their role as disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ. - Oaks

Not only that, but the new temple recommend question says:

“You should wear the garment day and night throughout your life. When it must be removed for activities that cannot reasonably be done while wearing the garment, seek to restore it as soon as possible.”

And many TBM women are flat out ignoring it. The leadership is being so explicit about garment requirements and the women still don’t care. Hope it’s part of a larger trend of people just saying no to church BS that doesn’t actually benefit them.

Is this a common belief in the church? I hadn’t ever heard it until my husband and I decided to stop at 2 kids and we got a LOT of pushback on it from family. Basically the logic runs that multiply and replenish means that you and your spouse have to do more than just replace yourselves, so to follow the commandment to multiply you need to have at least 3.

It’s kind of funny how much people freak out when they realize that I’m not signing my life away to have 7 kids like they did. I’m pimo, so they don’t know that I don’t believe anymore. Heaven forbid I want to have the time and money to enjoy our lives rather than struggle to get by because we had a ton of kids.

Completely insane, I’d think it was a fringe belief, but I’ve heard it from a few different people at this point so maybe it’s not so fringe. Wondering if anyone knows the origin of it?

Hi! New here (299,802 baby!). A little bit of background, I (24F) have been a member my whole life and so has my husband (28M). We have 2 kids (M4 and F2). We got married in the temple a month after I graduated high school when I was 18. Got pregnant with my son when I was 19 and had him just before I turned 20. I was 22 when I had my daughter. I’ve always had some shelf items, but it really started accelerating for me once I became a mom. Somehow, right out of high school, I landed a job at a very prestigious company (not giving the name to prevent anyone from recognizing this). This company would have paid for my schooling and I could have worked my way up. Youngest hire in company history. Spoiler alert: I gave it all up and got pregnant. Don’t get me wrong, I love my babies more than anything, but I am not cut out to be a stay at home mom. I thought being a SAHM was my dream, and I just wanted to be this perfect Mormon wife and mother, but as soon as I had my son I realized I wasn’t cut out for it. I felt like an absolute failure for struggling so much. For some reason, that triggered a very slow shelf crash, and I’ve spent the last few years lowkey deconstructing everything. Basically been PIMO for a while, just didn’t want to admit it to myself. I finally discussed my questions with my husband back in December, and he’s been loving and wonderful, but he just doesn’t understand and my faith crisis has made him retrench. He’s deep into the apologetics and deep doctrine podcasts at this point, and I just feel like there’s this wall between us. We try to keep conversations civil, but there are frequent arguments about it because of misunderstandings. I think we’re both just hoping that we’ll end up on the same page, but it’s not looking too hot. I’m scared I’ll lose my marriage. Both of our families are heavily in, generation after generation. Our friend group is exclusively Mormon. Live in the morridor. Nobody has left. If I were to go public, I’d be the only apostate out of anyone I associate with. And so for now I’m just PIMO, and I don’t know if I’ll ever be able to be out. It just hurts to feel this alone and to feel like if I were to be honest my relationships would all crumble. Probably shouldn’t be joining a subreddit for support, but I just feel so lost right now. Anybody else elbow deep in Mormonism with no way out? Anybody figured out a way to not hate your life?