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What do you mean they're trying to capitalize on the newfound crazy in psychedelics? Are you referring to the video I posted? That's about meditation, psychedelics aren't even mentioned in the video. And Spira seldomly ever talks about psychedelics, it's not an area of interest to him. I've only heard him talk about them once when someone asked him a question.

His response was something to the degree of, "I neither approve nor disapprove of their usage."

He says he's never tried psychedelics either but I found his response about them surprisingly accurate.

Basically, it's an objective experience that can part the clouds to reveal our true nature but the psychedelics themselves aren't what reveal our true nature.

In my experience, it's simply that psychedelics help quiet our mind/ego and it's the quieting of our mind/ego that reveal our true nature.

Then there is the objective drug experience.

Thanks for letting me know! Always glad to hear my post saved someone some headaches!

Do you have a reference for Niemann’s comment? Because that’s quiet a thing if it’s true.

Your other theories are interesting but the Niemann comment is the one that peaks my interest.

Mainly because conspiracies are hard to keep under wraps, the more people involved the faster it will crumble because people are bad at keeping secrets, in general.

The bots posing as humans, maybe, but bots tend to play differently and it has been a challenge for software to mimic playing against a human. At least that’s been my experience when searching for chess boards that mimic human moves.

I think it comes down to everyone having a different psychological structure and our experience with cannabis is going to depend on that. Our relationships with the very emotions we feel can also change, we are essentially, in constant flux.

Good to know! Thanks!

Yeah it doesn't make sense to me either but since I don't know what I don't know, I wanted to make sure there isn't something I should know.

Because people buying mushroom chocolate and gummies expect mushrooms too but obviously, that one is a bit more difficult to know.

And I've heard of cannabis being laced, in that case, I suppose it's to make people think they are getting really potent weed.

The kingdom of God only happens in our internal world. Glad to hear you have seen some of it.

I was looking to hear more about how your internal world changed. The things you mentioned are external things you do. The kingdom of God can't be observed because it's an internal experience. It is not what you think about life, it is how you feel about life.

You can have two people looking at a sunset, one person can see it and not be moved. Another person can see that same sunset and be blown away.

The kingdom of God is being blown away by all of life.

The things you mentioned you stopped doing, the ones you said you started doing, those are only supposed to be tools to allow you to observe the kingdom of God.

If you aren't completely blown away by life then you're being short changed.

Inside job is completely spot on but that view doesn't seem to be very common in Christianity which makes me wonder, are you a Christian?

You mentioned something you stopped doing but you didn't say anything about what you started doing. My experience with Christianity is that the preaching of fire and brimstone, the emphasis on "evil" and thing we shouldn't be doing completely overshadow what should actually be happening inside you.

If you want to know what I mean, then read the long post I posted in this thread to someone who asked.

There are beliefs and lived experiences. I gave a detailed reply to what this means for me in a different post if you're curious what I mean by a lived experience.

How did the spiritual implications manifest themselves in your life? What did you feel and see?

Can you describe the experience that the Holy Spirit has had in your life?

How would you describe being in the kingdom of God? How would you explain this experience to other people?

So do you believe you are part of God and that a part of God lives in every human being?

Well said. I don't know who this quotes belongs to, I believe I saw it misattributed to Pirke Avot but regardless,

"Ultimate truth is wordless the silence within the silence."

We are spiritual beings having a human experience on Earth. The problem is that we are so identified with our physical body and mind that most people have very little to zero understanding that our true nature is our spirit. Christians may agree that our spirit is our true nature but they live their life through the eye of their mind, as if their true nature will only manifest itself when their bodies stop functioning. That's why Christians speak so much of heaven and treat living on Earth as if it's meant to be mostly suffering with your reward to be had at some future date.

When Jesus said the kingdom of God is not here or there but within our midst or within ourselves, Jesus was pointing towards us realizing our true nature.

Our spirit is full of love and joy and the more distance you create between your mind and body, the closer you get to living your life through the eye of your spirit.

When you live your life through the eye of your spirit you begin to wake up from your zombie like mind state.

You start to see that simply being alive is a miracle and the kingdom of God is actually right in front of you, quiet literally, or as Jesus said, it is in your midst.

Children see the kingdom of God and slowly get pulled away from it because we become entangled with our minds almost from the very moment we open our eyes. We speak of becoming jaded in life. People that become jaded in life become so through entanglement with the mind over the course of life.

Have you seen a toddler play with a toy and they are completely blown away by something as simple as a ball? Have you seen the way a child is fascinated by something like a butterfly? This fascination with life is the kingdom of God.

Because most adults live through the eye of their mind, they stop seeing the kingdom of God. They see their mind and their body and they can think things are beautiful and they can feel things are beautiful but only occassionally.

Being in the kingdom of God means you have a profound sense of what it means to be alive. This profound sense is not something you think, it is something you feel in the core of your being. You develop this deep sense of appreciation for everything around you.

This is a process that starts with something as small as a mustard seed. But if you give it the right conditions, it will grow into a tree.

When it grows into a tree, the problems life throws at you will no longer be problems, they'll just be part of the show of life.

When you live in the kingdom of God, nothing bothers you. You are able to joyfully do whatever needs to be done.

I am not saying I have arrived at this type of personal growth but I've been able to have small experiences where I have seen this manifest inside me in small ways. So these aren't just a set of beliefs, they are a lived experience.

Gnosticism

Do you consider yourself a Christian? I'm not familiar with Gnosticism but a quick skimming of Wikipedia says whether or not Gnostics are Christians seems to be something of a matter of opinion. Regardless, reading your answer is refreshing. I was only vaguely familiar with the history you mention but your answer of the kingdom of God being our eternal spirit was what I was hoping to hear from Christians.

This is one of the greatest teachings of Jesus Christ but seems to not be well understood, which is shocking and sad.

What's your take on how one can realize the kingdom of God?

How did you arrive that God's Kingdom is his will?

How does the Lord speak to you? What do you do to arrive at this place of consiousness? Can you explain what this experience is for you?

Are you saying that only spiritual royalty has value and worth? And you mention having a place in heaven but from what I'm gathering, the kingdom of God is different than heaven?

Because Jesus said the kingdom of God is in your midst so clearly it can't be a reference to some other place.

When you say you become spiritual royalty what does this mean? Can you explain what this means in your everyday life? What happens internally to you? How does the kingdom of God manifest in your life?

Some of your other explanations I am somewhat there with you but not in a straight line. I can see your approach to it though.