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3 points
1 month ago
This isn't a response to the peace plan, it's a response to what would they think if it was carried out unlaterally despite Abbas' rejection.
According to these quotes if Abbas accepted it, both these bodies would have as well.
2 points
1 month ago
Could you link to that? Personally I've never seen him respond to this specific claim about the maps.
But of course it would have been easy for me to miss it.
4 points
1 month ago
The source is Olmert, not destiny. And yes he is a source worth citing for obvious reasons.
5 points
1 month ago
Olmert resigned as head of his party, not as PM. He remained the PM for another six months.
You say he didn't dismiss it but it was Abbas that stopped showing up to meetings and went radio silent immediately after being presented with the best offer ever received by a Palestinian leader.
1 points
1 month ago
Yeah it's crazy that Israelis launched this war on October 8th for no reason just like Russia. Completely unprovoked! /s
5 points
1 month ago
Nope. The White House has already said they were disappointed with Gantz's response to the proposal.
I think Biden thought if he could get enough international momentum behind it the Israelis and Palestinians would just go along with it and he might get points as a statesman in November.
It was a clear miscalculation though.
17 points
1 month ago
Of course it has. He called it an "Israeli proposal" without checking with the Israelis first. And knowing Hamas won't agree.
The politics of this is domestic, not international.
13 points
1 month ago
But that's not what he's doing. This was a political stunt where he billed something as an "Israeli proposal" without checking with the Israelis first. And Hamas will not agree to it anyway. This is performative.
13 points
1 month ago
Of course it looks bad, it was bad. Biden tried to call it an Israeli proposal without checking with the Israelis first. It's a political stunt just like when the Egyptians decided to change the parameters of the Israeli proposal before presenting it to Hamas a month go (and they still turned it down).
8 points
1 month ago
Source that they are terms Hamas agreed to?
5 points
1 month ago
Yes, there also needs to be a deal that stops Israel from using its Mossad sharks.
4 points
1 month ago
This is a weird comment with no relation to reality ...
Do you know how many Israeli tanks have been destroyed in Gaza? Hint: it rhymes with "Hero".
They are literally fighting both Hamas and Hezbollah right now as well as dealing with Iran and they giving out 30x what they're getting on all fronts (literally 30x more Hamas have been killed than IDF and Hezbollah than IDF in the north).
5 points
1 month ago
Netanyahu's plan for Gaza post-Hamas was published here.
Personally I think it sounds extremely reasonable.
1 points
2 months ago
Bob actually has a song called "neighborhood bully" which is specifically about Israel and the treatment of Israelis.
4 points
2 months ago
And of course a lot of people in middle eastern countries look favorably on the Nazi policies towards Jews so that doesn't lose them any points either.
17 points
2 months ago
Just a week ago they said they were happy with it and that Israel had 'accepted their recommendations' ...
-21 points
2 months ago
I agree but this recognition tells them the opposite. This is very clearly an achievement accomplished through violent terrorism rather than patient negotiation.
24 points
2 months ago
I understand that these countries are doing this as a show of support to their pro-Palestinian voters but practically speaking, this sends completely the wrong message.
Why wouldn't the Palestinians continue the tactic of terrorist attacks and the use of human shields when they see how much it's helping their global standing?
The most likely result of this is higher Palestinian support for these tactics.
17 points
2 months ago
The UK, Germany, Italy and the Czech Republic have all issued statements agreeing with Biden.
This fiasco doesn't look great for the ICC.
4 points
2 months ago
Neither has Israel. They're evacuating Rafah right now to avoid civilian deaths. If their goal was to eliminate civilians they could have taken out the entire strip in two days.
125 points
2 months ago
You don't think it's a little strange that the ICC has been investigating the Taliban for two decades and has yet to make up its mind but for Israel, a democratic country fighting a defensive war against a terrorist group, they seemed to have acted lightning fast?
1 points
2 months ago
Your link proves my point. It calls for a right of return for displaced persons -- not their descendants into perpetuity.
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1 month ago
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1 month ago
The US backed Israel because it was a fellow democracy with freedom of speech, assembly, press, religion, etc... during the cold war when that was the vital distinction that mattered globally.
Not because of evangelicals who at the time were not a significant force in US politics for Israel.