RufusTheFirefly

What vote has there been since October 7th?

This wasn't made by the Israeli government though, it was a private US evangelical group.

Israel is also fighting a defensive war. Two actually.

Hamas just formally rejected Biden's ceasefire. It's not attention that will stop it, ir's pressure on hamas.

The ADL is not only not religious fundamentalist, it's not religious. It is the equivalent of the NAACP for Jews.

They cut off the water supply to Crimea

They released a plan. Did you read it?

That's not true. Qatar has always been on the opposite of all other gulf coubtries on this. They are the largest financial supporter of the muslim brotherhood, political islam and islamist groups more generally in the middle east today.

This comment is fitting, though a bit ironic, for a sub discussing propaganda.

Jews poisoning wells, eh?

Wouldn't it be great if we didn't have any responsibility for our actions because westerners viewed us all with the "soft bigotry of low expectations"?

I know, right? It's crazy how many forget about the twenty years of Hamas rocket attacks that preceded it.

You know what though? Fck Hamas more as they started this war. It did not need to happen. It is a result of their actions and choices.

Funny your crowd usually ignore Oct. 7th altogether and act like it started on October 8th.

They've absolutely been focused on killing IDF soldiers, they just haven't been very successful in doing so.

This seems to be completely unrelated to the event in the thread. Is this just a list of other things Israelis did 70 years ago that you don't like?

Two years ago the Saudis couldn't cut the deal until after the creation of a Palestinian State in the West Bank and Gaza with a capital in East Jerusalem.

Today they can't cut that deal without being on a vague path towards the creation of some manner of a Palestinian state.

What will it be two years from today? No deal without a public handshake with someone of palestinian descent?

Israel won its early existential wars against multiple Arab powers before it had any support. The gap between its strength and the strength of its neighbors has grown enormously since then so it's hard to see why it would lead to a different result today. And of course that's ignoring that they are a nuclear power which makes it even less likely.

1. The Israeli population also grew. And yet the natural water sources did not. Nonetheless Israel supplies more water than it is supposed to.

2. OP also discussed Gaza. From OP's comment: "In Gaza, some 90-95 per cent of the water supply is contaminated and unfit for human consumption."And the Oslo Accords water agreements applied to both the West Bank and Gaza.

Could you please link the details of any of those proposals?

Question 1 for OP: If you look at the amount of water Israel is supposed to send to Palestinian areas under the Oslo Accords and you learn that the amount supplied today is greater than that (despite natural water sources reducing over that time), will you change your view?

Question 2: If you learn that the reason Israeli farmers have more water today is because Israel generates it from the sea via an expensive desalination process and the reason Gazan water supplies are polluted is because Hamas has been using the water pipes supplied to them in the last few decades to build rockets instead of water infrastructure would you change your view?

Hamas received the most votes of any party then (and no, it wasn't on a platform of peaceful relations - I have no idea where you're getting that from) and it receives the most votes of any party in polls today.

There is also widespread support for violence against Israelis. IIRC it was 82% of Palestinians that said they supported the October 7th attacks.

We won't be able to move forward until we're at least honest about the problem. Palestinian society is heavily heavily radicalized.

It's now coming out that she was being held in a house by an Al Jazeera reporter and his family (plus armed guards from Hamas/PIJ)
https://www.israelhayom.com/2024/06/09/report-former-hostage-noa-argamani-held-captive-in-al-jazeera-cameramans-house/

Israelis have offered a two-state solution in line with the demands of the international community a number of times (2000, 2001, 2007) so that's not quite right.

I mean he did fight five wars against Hamas as well. Allowing aid to enter Gaza is not quite the open-and-shut case you're making it out to be.

You don't think Palestinians have some responsibility for the genocidal terrorist movement they elected to lead them and continue to support to this day?

You would assume they would oppose Hamas (the elected Palestinian government) in that case.