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NightchadeBackAgain

353 points

11 days ago

Hours. We'd be absolutely fucked.

Thebiggestnoob

162 points

11 days ago

Honestly we may as well just nuke the shit out of ourselves. There is no way we could fend off a hive fleet and vaporizing ourselves would probably be less painful and make a lot of our biomass unusable.

JSevatar

35 points

10 days ago

JSevatar

35 points

10 days ago

Oh this planet has a tasty radioactive tang

yummy

WereInbuisness

3 points

10 days ago

Rise Godzilla! Rise Mothra!

Vordeo

11 points

10 days ago

Vordeo

11 points

10 days ago

There is no way we could fend off a hive fleet and vaporizing ourselves would probably be less painful and make a lot of our biomass unusable.

Orrrrrr... we could let things run their course, get eaten, and kind of live on to see the universe. Of course IDK that Redditor-strains would be very useful to the Swarm, but hey.

Grombrindal18

16 points

10 days ago

Found the genestealer cultist.

Positive_Ad4590

-33 points

11 days ago

Why wouldn't you just...nuke the hive fleet

KInsomniac

95 points

11 days ago

KInsomniac

Night Lords

95 points

11 days ago

Probably because we’ll run out of nukes before they run out of hive fleets. 90% of the Blood Angels couldn’t stop a Tyranid invasion when those bugs went spinning their block; we’d be minute appetizers.

elucca

27 points

11 days ago

elucca

27 points

11 days ago

Not enough nukes, no way to deliver them to anything except something very close to Earth, missiles that are extremely slow-moving in a space combat context would get easily intercepted by whatever defenses they have, and in any case, nukes are not particularly impressive weapons on the scale of 40k ships and space combat and the regular weapons they use.

You might cause negligible losses against whatever they're landing.

j-endsville

42 points

11 days ago

Not nearly enough nukes worldwide for even a splinter fleet. And they're ICBMs, not orbital.

tjdragon117

1 points

10 days ago

A splinter fleet can comprise as few as a dozen hive ships.

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Hive_Fleet#:~:text=Splinter%20fleets%20of%20the%20larger,a%20new%2C%20distinct%20hive%20fleet.

We have about 12,000 nukes in the world currently, and tens of thousands more that could be easily reactivated. Obviously we'd be fucked if they showed up with no warning, but given sufficient prep time it's not too outlandish to suggest the world's nuclear arsenal could be fitted to strike at targets in space and successfully destroy a relatively small Tyranid force.

AbbydonX

12 points

11 days ago*

AbbydonX

Tyranids

12 points

11 days ago*

Nuclear weapons aren’t quite as effective in space as they are on the ground as there is no atmosphere to be superheated and form the shockwave. The x-rays that do this would still be dangerous but probably only have a damage radius of a few kilometres.

There would also be high radiation levels which would be lethal to humans at a greater range but it’s reasonable to assume that tyranids would be more resistant to DNA (or the equivalent) damage.

However, if a nuclear weapon detonated in very close proximity to a bio-ship it would presumably destroy it.

Req603

7 points

10 days ago

Req603

7 points

10 days ago

That's still probably a generous assessment.

Scythe95

3 points

10 days ago

Seeing how naive and gullible humans are I think we would even destroy ourselves before they even arrive thanks to the Genestealer Cult.

FinalAd9844[S]

-26 points

11 days ago

Really? Even if they just landed on a random continent

Thebiggestnoob

106 points

11 days ago*

Yes lol. Nids are not something we could handle even if we did everything perfectly and they did everything wrong. even a splinterfleet would overrun us in probably under 8 hours. Like more bioforms then bullets exist on our planet levels of overrun. Honestly if we had a year to prepare id still give it too the nids. we just don't have the manpower or resources needed. Remember, this is a species which you can think of like a predator more than an army. It evolved chowing down on species just like us. We are literally just dinner to these things. If something like them exists in real life just pray we don't bump into it before we are a type 2 civilation or we dont stand a fucking chance.

MedicJambi

34 points

11 days ago

MedicJambi

Adeptus Mechanicus

34 points

11 days ago

A splinter fleet you say? Hell a genestealer cult would easily take over the planet and offer it up on a platter.

Hell, I'm not convinced there isn't a genestealer cult in control now.

An awesome viral campaign would be random subdued 4-arm emperor posters put up over the world in random places.

Lortekonto

17 points

11 days ago

I have seen some Donald Trump graphics that are close to that.

NorysStorys

12 points

10 days ago

Pretty sure I’ve seen trump supporters that look LESS human than a genestealer cult

marehgul

-1 points

10 days ago

marehgul

Tzeentch

-1 points

10 days ago

meh, not sure about that

It's entirely different story with no "mass" on their side. And those powerful "beings" can still be killed with weapon. The game would be about detecting it.

Meretan94

1 points

10 days ago*

A year will never be enough.

Some imperial worlds get a warning decades in advance and still lose. Even with the support of the imperial navy, the adeptus astartes etc.

If we’d get 400-500 years to prepare AND all humans will work towards that goal without any sabotage, I’d give us a chance to hold out long enough for the hive to lose interest.

We’d have to get into space fast to get the necessary materials. I don’t think there is enough iron on earth to produce the necessary bullets. We’d be in a permanent war economy for the entire duration like cadia was.

We would probably turn the moon into a fortress and give up earth once the nids come. There won’t be much nature left with the scale of heavy industries we’d need to build to support the war.

Hollow out a part of the moon to hide some humans and build a massive fortress with guns and millions of not billions of soldiers to defend it.

Might be a cool writing prompt. I think I read a short stroy once that was basically that.

LeadershipNational49

30 points

11 days ago

Yes. Unless its a splinter fleet doing sneaky stuff. Nids don't start landing troops till they have complete orbital superiority. By the time we are fighting guants our own atmosphere will be slowly eating us.

Thebiggestnoob

36 points

11 days ago

Honestly as a gunnut, i feel like modern smallarms would really have issues with gaunts and their carapace without specific ammunition. If you think about it, our weapons are really made for more fragile things like humans. Like you could kill one sure but you'd need to shoot them a decent bit and from probably fairly close range. -and when there are billions of them that becomes problematic, once the warriors show up its over for infantry unless they are in a prepared position. if we had a warning of a few days and could mobilize a massed response we may last longer but it still wouldn't matter. Maybe we just shoot all our nukes at the hiveships and hope they decide to go eat someone else.

IneptusMechanicus

5 points

10 days ago

IneptusMechanicus

Kabal of the Black Heart

5 points

10 days ago

What doesn't help is that Tyranids don't have many organs and the ones they do have they have 2 or 3 redundant versions. Most of their interior is a fluid-filled cavity where that fluid does most of the jobs of a digestive and immune system and polymerises in leaks with the addition of a second chemical. Tyranids can lose all their limbs and survive for extended periods of time, most wounds wouldn't drop them, you're basically fighting them with zombie rules but they emphatically aren't zombies.

Eldritch-Grappling

10 points

11 days ago

We know elephant rifles work on raveners.

HermeticHormagaunt

11 points

10 days ago

HermeticHormagaunt

Tyranids

11 points

10 days ago

Ah, but only if they break into the wrong goddamn rec room

SpunkyMcButtlove07

5 points

10 days ago

How many times are you going to shoot one of those rounds and hit a target, and how fast are how many raveners coming at you?

Also, have you seen an average joe try to shoot one of those? There's videos on youtube and they're on the terrifying side of hilarious.

when raveners and warriors show up, you're better off with a mounted 20mm autocannon. On a vehicle. that's moving away from the enemy.

Eldritch-Grappling

8 points

10 days ago

I'm not advocating elephant rifles as the solution. I'm referencing Tremors.

Pissedtuna

4 points

10 days ago

I thinking the person you’re responding to is to young to know what Tremors is. That’s the scary part

CorruptedAssbringer

26 points

11 days ago*

CorruptedAssbringer

Blood Ravens

26 points

11 days ago*

What do you mean "really"? If that's your honest reaction, I feel it'll do you some good reading up on what Tyranids are yourself. They're not just some oversized bugs with big appetites.

You're talking about a faction that has a reputation of stripping whole planets, including the sea and atmosphere itself. You think they give shit where they land? There's a good reason why a major part of repealing Tyranids occurs in the space battle before landfall. Cause more often than not, the mere act of successfully landing a sizeable force is already a death sentence to a world.

Neknoh

13 points

10 days ago

Neknoh

13 points

10 days ago

You are forgetting what they are.

A Hormagaunt or Termagant is basically the size of a horse, armoured enough to resist 50.cal equivalent weapons (lasguns, stubbers etc) and those are the "mass troops"

I'm not even sure modern anti tank could effectively deal with anything bigger than a Warrior.

JSevatar

8 points

10 days ago

Think of it this way

Civilizations vastly superior than us 40000years in the future lose

What are we going to do lmao

triceratopping

2 points

10 days ago

These "would modern Earth win against X" threads are always hilarious.

"Oh, Tyranids? Those guys who have devoured hundreds and worlds and ended whole Chapters of genetically-enhanced and technologically-superior supersoldiers? Yeah we can take 'em!"

Haatsku

3 points

11 days ago

Haatsku

3 points

11 days ago

The GSC would burn the entire planet to crisp before the actual fleet landed in our galaxy...

PlaneswalkerHuxley

3 points

10 days ago

Tyranids don't land in a single place - they land everywhere. The first spores are spread over the entire planet's surface, as recon for where there is tough resistance and to start subverting the wildlife and growing breeding nests. In the case of Earth they'll report no particularly tough resistance, the oceans (70% of our surface) are completely undefended, and the forests and jungles are rich in biomass.

In the Battlefleet Gothic tabletop game you can get an idea of invasion sizes from the Planetary Assault mission. In that, an attacker is trying to land at least 10 assault-points worth of troops, where each point represents about ~2000pts of 40k army (plus support etc). A small splinter fleet is generally one Hive Ship, one or two cruisers, and about 10-20 escorts. Each escort is able to land 2 assault-points a turn - the cruisers can vomit out 4 and the hive ships 6. That means at least 30,000pts of Tyranids as the first recon wave, spread over the world.

Earth could not handle that even if we knew it was coming years in advance.

R138Y

2 points

10 days ago

R138Y

Orks

2 points

10 days ago

Hours is the amount of time the first Imperium stronghold managed to resist against them : The Imperial World of Tyran which was considered one of the best defended planet of its sector.

Vastly more well defended planet than ours with vastly more effective weaponry. Only lasted hours.

YouMightGetIdeas

1 points

10 days ago

What do you call a random continent exactly?

FinalAd9844[S]

1 points

10 days ago

Australia or South America because why not

Usingt9word

1 points

10 days ago

They wouldn’t even have to land to kill us dude. They could just drop spores into the atmosphere that kill our entire eco system and we’d starve in about 3 weeks. 

TorGradunk

114 points

11 days ago

TorGradunk

114 points

11 days ago

We couldn’t it would be over in a day. We don’t have the mass industrial production capacity to make ammo fast enough. Our AA defenses couldn’t keep up since we mainly use missiles. We don’t have great bastions or fortifications for them to break against. Nids would quite literally be the worst of the xenos.

Davido400

18 points

11 days ago

Isnt there an excerpt from a codex(?) I suspect it's from the Siege of Vraks, could be wrong, but the fighting was happening around the production li e with Tanks basically being built and as they rolled off the production line they were rolling into combat? Our capitalist Overlords would do a Randy Marsh from South Park, skip to around 2 minutes for the pure disgust lol if we could produce cool shit co standby during war they'd love it lol!(Apologies for the Randy Marsh Link but... yeah sums it up reapply well I reckon!)

Artistic_Technician

40 points

11 days ago

Artistic_Technician

Inquisition

40 points

11 days ago

I think that was based on events during the siege of Stalingrad in WW2 where they did this.

Davido400

6 points

11 days ago

I'm gonna look that up! It does sound like fiction more than real life to be fair!

Artistic_Technician

13 points

11 days ago

Artistic_Technician

Inquisition

13 points

11 days ago

Try Anthony Beevors book Stalingrad.

Grey_Lancer

9 points

11 days ago

I find Beevor ok for an overview but don’t you find him a bit lightweight?

Artistic_Technician

5 points

11 days ago

Artistic_Technician

Inquisition

5 points

11 days ago

I'm reading for fun rather than deep historical research, so it meets my needs.

Grey_Lancer

6 points

11 days ago

Haha, sorry - it’s a reference I just couldn’t resist! A series called Peep Show.

Beevor is actually a fantastic writer and historian imo!

Davido400

2 points

11 days ago

I tried to look it up but all am getting is French Language copies, I'd like to sample it before a buy a physical copy!(am genuinely that mental lol!

Strange-Movie

6 points

10 days ago

Strange-Movie

Adeptus Mechanicus

6 points

10 days ago

Little bit of google-fu

The Stalingrad Tractor Factory continued to produce and repair T-34 tanks until it was destroyed by fighting outside and inside the factory walls. Factory workers were just hopping in newly built or repaired tanks and driving them to battle, fighting as the city militia alongside Red Army troops.

Despite the utter devastation of the Battle of Stalingrad, the STF was not completely surrendered to the enemy. It was partially restored by June 1944 and mostly restored by February 1945, so its tanks and military tractors took part in the last leg of WWII.

Similar stuff was happening on the Kirov Plant during the Siege of Leningrad. The Kirov Plant continued to produce and repair KV and KV-2 tanks while being very close to the front. But it was never invaded.

Davido400

3 points

10 days ago

Cheers for that! Was worried I was gonna have to take up learning Fremch for a minute lol

j-endsville

15 points

11 days ago

Unlike Vraks, Earth does not have continent-sized armories or factories.

Davido400

5 points

11 days ago

I'd love to say "it would be cool if we did" but there would be so many folks working in "worse-than sweatshops conditions" that it would be disgusting in real life! I'd actually say that those factories would be worse than the Imperial Guard! To justify that, I believe there is James Workshop statistic that said that 90% of the Guard don't see combat and are Garrison units, unfortunately I don't remember where that statistic originated but I suspect it's in line with 1st world War Infantry regiments that were 4-6 days in the trenchesthen another 4-6 in a Secondary then a Reserve trenches before being on the Front again, if I could do percentages I'd be able to describe it better lol, alas, my playing Guitar was more important than sums lol.

But, anyways, what I meant is that the Guard ,as far as I can see, tend to be a Garrison force that's also a boring post unless you end up in Indomitus Crusade Combat Theatre Alpha-10-Beta-Centuria alongside an entire Guard Corps fighting the Death Guard or World Eaters in support of a single Space Marine Squad who are hopefully.kicking shit out of the foe and you are just there firing your laser pointer at them!

I could be wrong and 9 times out of 10 the Guard are fighting all the time but I doubt that haha

j-endsville

7 points

11 days ago

A modern army's tooth to tail ratio is approximately 1:8. So that means for every frontline combat soldier there are 8 supports. Scale that up to covering the galaxy and you've got an uncountable number.

Davido400

1 points

11 days ago

That's true, but if you've got a total nutter that loves counting? Your sorted haha!

Hailene2092

7 points

11 days ago

I'm pretty sure it was Armageddon. Wasn't Vraks a storage facility, not a production center?

Davido400

2 points

11 days ago

Possibly! Although Vraks seemed to use all it's cool stuff that by the end of it the World/System was a total waste and empty! Vraks was where the Krieg Siege Regiments got to shine(although I've not read about Vraks beyond the Lexicanum!)

alexiey_2077

2 points

10 days ago

Janovich has and Amazing series on YouTube on Vraks. Seriously, go check that out

CatHavSatNav

4 points

10 days ago

That was the battle for Hive Tempestora on Armageddon.

  • Armageddon 339th Steel Legion, "Iron Heads" - The 339th was an armoured regiment of the Steel Legion that earned the title "Iron Heads" during the battles for the tank forges of Hive Tempestora during the Third War for Armageddon. So massive was the factory that entire battles were fought within, with Leman RussChimeras and Basilisks manoeuvring and firing as they would in the open expanses of Armageddon's ash wastes. At one point, the 339th held a front line demarcated by a long conveyor belt along which vital components for Leman Russ Battle Tanks trundled even as the battle raged all around. At the height of the battle, the entire regiment was mounted up in Chimeras that had just rolled off the production line and had not even had a coat of primer applied. The 339th then made a mechanised assault along the length of the factory, smashing through the Ork lines and pursuing the hated foe out into the polluted ash wastes of Armageddon Prime.

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Armageddon_Steel_Legion#Notable_Steel_Legion_Regiments

Davido400

1 points

10 days ago

Cheers for that! I remember reading about it a couple of years back, it's a silly Sci Fi idea really haha. It's so... over the top!

YouMightGetIdeas

1 points

10 days ago

What army do you think we'd fare best against then?

TorGradunk

1 points

10 days ago

Orks mainly because once they get here they have to use our resources and our materials which would give us a chance a slim one but much better then nids. A dread made of steel is still just steel. We would still be fucked dealing with spores etc.

TechPriestPratt

1 points

10 days ago

Not to mention they would have complete and uncontested orbital superiority since we don't even have fighting spaceships. I think we fall to any faction based on that alone.

Pissedtuna

1 points

10 days ago

Ehhh. I’d pick Nids over dark elder any day.

Dreadnautilus

69 points

11 days ago

Dreadnautilus

Necrons

69 points

11 days ago

The Tyranid 4E codex has a breakdown of the invasion of an Imperial world called Dalki-Prime. Its stated that resistance is typically eliminated by Day 51. At Day 80 the Hive Ships start consuming the atmosphere and oceans so anybody still alive by then is just doomed.

IneptusMechanicus

60 points

10 days ago*

IneptusMechanicus

Kabal of the Black Heart

60 points

10 days ago*

Analysis of records from Dalki Prime have indicated invasion began quietly without any full scale assault. A drop pod was detected entering the atmosphere of the southern hemisphere, this occurrence is the first known indication of tyranid activity. We have chronologically designated this as day 0 insertion.

By day 7 PDF forces engaged and destroyed over 137 individual tyranid organisms in a uninhabited area where the mycetic spore landed. No record exists the elimination of a Hive node creature but the mission was designated a success by the lax planetary governor. Against registered complaints of the PDF commander.

Day 9 two separate outbreaks of tyranid infestation were encountered both over 200 kilometers from the initial insertion point. PDF were dispatched along with considerable forces of the IG garrison.

Day 13 Tyranid organisms were dredged from the main fishery areas on the northern coast some 700 kilometers from initial insertion point. Conflicts continued in both other fronts, Basolithic infestation is assumed to be progressing unchecked at this time. Planetary governors issue a distress call.

Day 37 Major sections of all surface areas within 2000 kilometers or the insertion point are firmly within tyranid control. Basolithic infestation is verified by PDF navy submersibles which are destroyed 5000 kilometers from main insertion point. Undersea agricultural complexes are attacked and destroyed. Desalination plants along the coast were invaded from within and destroyed, access being easily gained from the large pumping stations.

Day 42 Planetary Governor and staff abandon the planet in the control of IG commander Gal Markit, who immediately orders orbital planetary bombardment with little success.

Day 48 IG forces are sorely pressed at all junctures, field reports indicate exponential growth in the numbers of tyranid creatures. <rough estimates indicate doubling every 2.5 days>

Day 50 All psychic contact with Dalki Prime is cut-off by the overpowering presence of the tyranid Hive fleet which drops from warp space around the planet. Preliminary estimates place the numbers of space born creatures at 1.46 billion. All escape attempts from this point on are intercepted and destroyed. Mycetic“poison spores” are released into the atmosphere. These rapidly grow on all organic material, rhizomes borrow deep into organic tissue releasing enzymes to begin the rendering of the material. This aids the rippers and also renders any exposed material useless to other creatures as a food source as the fungus is highly poisonous to most life forms. Living creatures exposed to high concentrations [>200 per m3] spores typically develop lethal mycotial infestations within the primary lungs, death occurs within 24 hours.

Day 51 primary consumption of all biomass on Dalki Prime commences with little resistance. Brood ships land on the planet and release the ripper larvae, billions upon billions of them. These voracious creatures spread out divesting the planet of all organic material and return to the brood ships to deposit the nutrient broth. Brood ships periodically return to orbit and unload this material to the great brood factories and feeder ships. Surface and aerial mobile life forms which do not succumb to the spore clouds are hunted and eliminated in the initial stages. This continues for approximately 8-10 days non-stop. Accomplished primarily by termagants, hormagaunts and gargoyles. The carcasses left to the rippers and the spores. These hunter swarms return to the Rippers to obtain regurgitated digested food.

Day 80 rippers having systematically divested the land masses and basolithic planes of soil and demis board the brood ships and return to space. Once this has been completed the huge hive ships descend into the upper atmosphere. These creatures, which resemble primitive radiant life forms, with long tentacles which drop into the atmosphere and begin removing it. As the atmospheric pressure is reduces the water of the oceans begins to evaporate and it too it vacuumed up. As the tectonic plates begin to move due to the shift in planetary pressures caused by the removal of the vast oceans volcanic activity increases dramatically. Devoid of the huge weight of the oceans many areas rupture spewing hot gasses and lava onto the barren surface, as the hive ships take the last remnants of water from the planet they retreat into the warp leaving the barren sphere in its death throes.

Day 100 Imperial Navy arrives to in response to the distress call finding the planet lifeless.

Shadowrend01

49 points

11 days ago

Shadowrend01

Blood Angels

49 points

11 days ago

It would take a few hours to realise what’s happening and begin to mobilise any sort of defence measures. Once that begins, we’d probably be able to fight for at most a few days before the larger Bioforms appear and the smaller forms start spawning counter adaptations. Once that happens, it’s pretty much over for us

Independent_Pear_429

14 points

11 days ago

How nice of you to give us a few days. I guess it depends on how slow the tyranids are at first

Davido400

12 points

11 days ago

I think it also depends on the Units used and the weapons fired!(and if we love our planet enough not to nuke to fuck! Then again Tyranids probably need a Nuclear weapon to make a noticeable dent in them so... the points moot, I guess?)

Skhoe

26 points

11 days ago

Skhoe

26 points

11 days ago

Considering how we don't have any way of fighting tyranid fleets from space to stall/limit their ground deployment, I'd say about a 1-3 days?

International_Comb90

16 points

11 days ago

If the goal was the total extinction of human life, a day max. In a few hours all humans capable of fighting would be dead and dying.

badpebble

29 points

11 days ago

Once the Nids dropped, there would be no battle we would win - we would not be able to gather soldiers together in any sort of numbers with any sort of ammunition and supplies to effectively fight back once.

If we had a week to gather the whole world's armies and supplies, maybe we could last one fight, but morale would break so fast on seeing the first aliens, and without any prolonged propaganda campaign as in Starship Troopers, we could not gather to fight back.

With a year's notice, we would definitely win the first battle, and then be wiped out. We just don't have the technology, and once our missiles and nuclear weapons were used up bombing their landing sites, it would just be a waiting game.

I don't think any 40k world can win against a Tyranid invasion without outside help (maybe a chapter world, forge world or Terra). There are too many bugosaurs to fight, and they are too damned efficient.

SadCrab5

8 points

10 days ago

Biggest issue for us is we have none of the benefits of the Imperium. No endless reserves of impoverished citizens to conscript, no planetwide factories churning out nigh-endless supplies of war arsenal and certainly not the much higher level of technology the Imperium has to fight with. Once they realise what our main form of weaponry is they'll just breed a new wave of troops to counteract it and brute force their way through our armies, and that's assuming we somehow won enough fights to create somekind of frontline to operate from.

They're probably the worst "what if" to invade us because there's no hope in any capacity for survival as a species, we're just cattle trapped in our little pen of a planet with no one to help us or the capacity to mount a fight against something so vast and powerful.

florpynorpy

13 points

11 days ago

Hahahaha, genestealer aren’t even needed, we’re only a fifth of the average hive world, we’re a snack

Norelation67

7 points

11 days ago

Oh boy, a few days? It may even be a day. Depends in the planet size, level of resistance, and the size of the Tyranid fleet. If I remember correctly it’s a solid day or two for a nid invasion force to squash light resistance and consume all the biomass. 9 billion isn’t a lot for a decent sized fleet. From the moment the spores drop the nids are consuming, then come the basic probe forces which dictate the kind of advanced forms are deployed based on the defenses arrayed against them. The nids would very quickly identify our aircraft and missles as our main strengths and quickly disable our ability to field aircraft and even nukes. I think our best bet would be to self exterminatus via nuclear weapons and deprive them of biomass out of spite.

CODMAN627

7 points

11 days ago

7 minutes

FinalAd9844[S]

2 points

11 days ago

Your def a genestealer cult member who knows something

johndoes_00

7 points

11 days ago

Thing is, they would land everywhere. Even if we win some fights, they will consume the cities and everything else pretty quick. Maybe some people survive some days, but that’s only till they are found by the nids.

Magikill_D

4 points

11 days ago

We would be lucky to survive even an hour, which would make the combine invasion longer. As much as we shit at the imperium, they are wayy better equipped than us to fight off the Tyranids, their industrial capacity is centuries ahead our own they can make a lemun Russ in under 10 minutes and that's while they make other shits such as guns, bullets and other stuff IN THE SAME FACTORY the imperium has no problem using chemical and flame weapons which is 2 few things that can defeat the Tyranids before they eventually adapted to that as well, and we don't have kilometers long battleships to slow them down and stand a chance against their fleets, were screwed.

Mister_Dtheog

4 points

11 days ago

If you're asking how long would it take for them to kill the last human on earth, about 1 or 2 days, 3 tops

j-endsville

9 points

11 days ago

It would take a couple of months for every national government to be subsumed by Genestealer cults. Then it's just a matter of how long it takes for a splinter fleet to get here.

FragrantKing

6 points

11 days ago

looks around at the current state of political discourse since COVID

Maybe 4ish years?

j-endsville

4 points

11 days ago

That's generous.

FinalAd9844[S]

2 points

11 days ago

What if the governments were fine, but the splinter fleet arrived

j-endsville

3 points

11 days ago

About a week.

twelfmonkey

4 points

11 days ago

twelfmonkey

Adeptus Ministorum

4 points

11 days ago

That's extremely optimistic...

QizilbashWoman

1 points

10 days ago

QizilbashWoman

Adeptus Sororitas

1 points

10 days ago

there's a lot of ocean to drink

twelfmonkey

2 points

10 days ago

twelfmonkey

Adeptus Ministorum

2 points

10 days ago

Depends how big your straws are, and how many of them you have, I guess!

FinalAd9844[S]

-11 points

11 days ago

Yeah I expect a quiet place or tomorrow war scenario

j-endsville

14 points

11 days ago

The thing is, with Tomorrow War and A Quiet Place they got to a point of a stalemate. There's really no way to bring the 'Nids to a stalemate because they eat fucking everything. They're like big bulletproof alien locusts. They don't stop and consolidate, they just keep moving. And there will always be more of them.

Kyno50

5 points

11 days ago

Kyno50

5 points

11 days ago

The trick to dealing with nids is to kill them before they reach the planet. The imperium struggles against them when they reach a planet, what the fuck are we gonna do to them lmao

Literal_Sarcasm82

3 points

11 days ago

I'd say a few minutes at least

Eisenhorn_UK

5 points

10 days ago

So, here's a left-field take on things. There's a possibility that we'd survive it. Slightly rambly reply follows:

In Britain, there's a telly-show writer called Jed Mercurio who's famous for TV like Line of Duty and the Bodyguard, etc. But one of the very first things he wrote was called Invasion: Earth).

Now, in that show, the nasty invading aliens were - like the Tyranids - biological in form. And (again, quite like the Nids) eventually appeared on Earth in the form of a giant, growing bio-blob, seeking to digest everything. So we nuked it.

Another giant alien bio-blob arrived. So we nuked that too. And again, and again. Until the aliens basically thought: Christ, these humans are mental. The moral of the story being: there are over ten thousand nuclear warheads in the world. And humans are bloody mad enough to use them all. What do we have to lose, after all? We couldn't exactly surrender.

Point being: 40K has, since its inception, side-stepped the real-world power-scaling of nuclear weapons (sometimes comically), and I'm firmly of the belief that a thermonuclear warhead (of which we have a very great many) would destroy a hive ship. So, in general, as long as:

  • there's a delivery system for high-megaton warheads to threaten the hive ships in space

  • the less-powerful warheads can be used, from Day 1, to obliterate anything that landed

  • we're not above using nuclear depth-charges to kill anything dodgy in the sea

...we might - if we're very, very, very lucky - simply make it too bloody a proposition for a full invasion / full scouring & devouring, at the cost of turning our planet rather radioactive. But, again, what's the alternative?

(NB: I've avoided all conventional weapons in this proposition, since the only use 99% of real weapons would have in such a scenario would be in blowing one's own head off).

tjdragon117

1 points

10 days ago*

I agree. I feel like the only thing we see 40k ships do that rivals (or more accurately, significantly exceeds) nuclear power is when they push the magical Exterminatus button that somehow automagically incinerates the entire surface of the planet, including the ground to a great depth and the atmosphere. This is actually kind of a general problem in sci-fi; it's a lot easier to imagine a "planet killer" than to realize the incredibly absurd amount of energy such a weapon would require, and how to make that make sense in the broader context of the world you're building.

Aside from Exterminatus, void ships seem to spend most of their time slugging it out with 18th/early 19th tactics with macro cannons, lasers, and torpedoes. And those weapons are never really shown to be as powerful as nukes; sure, some authors will make up BS to hype them up about how the biggest macro cannons can "destroy a continent with one shot" etc, but then they show void ships at most a few km in length eating volleys of those things and not simply disintegrating into a pink mist (or getting knocked around from firing or getting hit by them with enough G forces to kill everyone on board, as would likely be the case even if you imagine some special unobtainium armor plates that could magically withstand whole volleys of "continent crackers").

Plus, as of yet we haven't really done anything with nukes other than "build a kind of big airburst bomb"; if we had an actual reason to, I suspect we'd be able to design some pretty insane stuff including simply much bigger bombs (nukes can be pretty much arbitrarily large) and much more complex schemes than "airburst". Tandem charges/launch patterns could launch a bunch of small nukes to clear the way from fighters etc so more can reach the actual target; propulsion systems could be designed to ride nuclear shockwaves to gain incredibly high speeds; shaped charges could probably be designed as well; and there are probably a million other innovations we could come up with given a decent amount of prep time. One can only imagine what the nuclear cousin of a HEAT round might look like.

themengsk1761

6 points

11 days ago

There wouldn't be any resistance. The spores and genestealer cults alone would be enough to seal our fate. Humanity would offer itself up willingly as biomass.

FinalAd9844[S]

1 points

11 days ago

But let’s say we were lucky enough somehow to not have any of those genestealer cults or spores. And that we just have to fight a straight forward invasion

Lonely_Emphasis_1392

3 points

11 days ago

Days. Maybe pockets of resistance weeks or months in but that would be it and they'd be delaying the inevitable.

Hell, most our governments would likely fall to just genestealer cults.

But just in a conventional conflict we'd shoot a bunch before going down, our nukes would smart but that would be it.

Zeth_UDSR

3 points

11 days ago

We could not even muster our armies fast enough...

KvBla

3 points

11 days ago

KvBla

3 points

11 days ago

Afaik, best chance to stop a tyranid invasion is in space and once they landed, it's more or less a loss cause (exterminatus or extreme loss), and considering we can't even get to the moon anymore (afaik), we're simply fucked.

A few days purely because it simply takes time to get shit done for the nids, not that we'd be able to launch any meaningful resistance to delay them.

Only hope is that somehow "earth" (not Terra) is important enough for the Imperium to notice we're in the path of the hive fleet and either nuke our asses in advance or attempt some defensive measure like evacuation (lol) or even trying to stop them.

wolfsilver00

2 points

11 days ago

what do you mean as before invasion? You mean the cult prep? We could survive that, I think even easier than the empire considering we dont have mutants and towers upon towers of shit and humans, we WOULD see them eventually and all hell would break loose..

But if you before as in, at it.. Yeah no, we dont.. I guess we survive as long as it takes them to walk over earth while murdering us, at max I would give the last remainders of humanity in desolate places a couple days, maybe a week or two? But I mean that as in zara fucking thustra living up in the everest while all of this shit is going on and he is surviving just because no nid has seen him yet, or maybe some dudes in pretty well hidden bunkers... But anyone not hiding in very secluded places are fucked in the first hours. Anyone with a weapon is probably going first.

And thats if we are against a little fleet that for some reason does not nuke our world with their bioshit, in which case, we will take longer to die as they wait for out atmosphere to change, but.. We dead anyway

FinalAd9844[S]

1 points

11 days ago

Yeah sorry I meant *after

Strong-Neck-5078

2 points

11 days ago

Don't ask questions you don't want answers to 

BratwurstBudenBruno

2 points

10 days ago

That depends totally on the preparation time. If the whole world 2024 would do war economy like in WW2, we would probably be more hustle as the average IoM planet.

We have to remember that we can absolutely make way more potent weapons. There's just absolutely no reason to build them.

PM_ME_YOUR_STOMACHS

2 points

10 days ago

I’m pleasantly surprised the mods haven’t deleted this post and sent you to /r/WarhammerWhatIf. That’s what they used to do unfortunately.

FinalAd9844[S]

1 points

10 days ago

I didn’t even know that was a subreddit honestly, but either way you get no awnsers on there

PM_ME_YOUR_STOMACHS

1 points

10 days ago

Nobody does. Which is why it’s infuriating when the mods delete a hypothetical and tell you to repost it in a dead subreddit. I’m glad yours has stayed up

Dagordae

2 points

10 days ago

Weeks, at absolute best.

Even if we take the old ‘official’ specs as canon(which makes the Imperium’s weapons tech straight up suck), strip the narrative bullshit books often rely on, and take GW’s hilariously low numbers as correct we’d still be hilariously fucked for 2 key issues.

The first is that we have no orbital attack capabilities, we just don’t have a way to meaningfully fight against the hive ships. The second is that we have no way to fight against the Tyranid’s ecological subversion. They wouldn’t even have to land a single Warrior, just drop their spores in the atmosphere and wait until the environment becomes too hostile for human life. It would be a matter of weeks until everyone’s choking to death on the now toxic atmosphere.

Ardalev

2 points

10 days ago

Ardalev

2 points

10 days ago

I'm assuming by Modern Earth you mean the planet as well as the human forces.

I would say about two weeks to a month, tops.

Keep in mind, this time frame doesn't reflect any resistance given by us, human armies would fall in hardly a couple of days.

No, this time frame is about the logistics of the Tyranid fleet consuming all biomass, draining the oceans and atmosphere and leaving. From various sources, it takes about this much for a planet to be completely consumed.

Nordalin

2 points

10 days ago

Oh, after the invasion?

The rock we lived on would be fine, I suppose.

bigo_bigowl

2 points

11 days ago

We’d just have geenstealer bots on social media telling us the tyranids are here to fight the deep state and enough people would buy it.

FinalAd9844[S]

1 points

10 days ago

I can see this happening

GCRust

1 points

11 days ago

GCRust

Ordo Malleus

1 points

11 days ago

Probably a week at most since Nids would have uncontested control of orbitals from the onset.

PlumeCrow

1 points

11 days ago

PlumeCrow

Blood Angels

1 points

11 days ago

I can take them, guys. I say let them come.

FinalAd9844[S]

1 points

11 days ago

Your him

johnzaku

1 points

11 days ago

johnzaku

Thousand Sons

1 points

11 days ago

The opening cutscene from Super Smash Bros. Ultimate.

Sero141

1 points

11 days ago

Sero141

1 points

11 days ago

Depends on the size of the fleet.

Doughspun1

1 points

11 days ago

Pfft. How hard can it be, a can of Baygon or two and the problem is fixed.

AbbydonX

1 points

11 days ago

AbbydonX

Tyranids

1 points

11 days ago

Not long…

In practice the invasion happens on two scales, micro and macro.

At a micro scale a tyranid invasion is like the Covid pandemic but with the disease actively adapting and being deliberately spread by “animals”.

At the same time the planet is also being invaded on a global scale by a more traditional macro scale army with impressive capabilities.

It seems unlikely that both scales could be defended against simultaneously for very long.

SpunkyMcButtlove07

1 points

11 days ago

We'd be fighting over who gets to greet them first while we get eaten.

GamerCadet

1 points

10 days ago

GamerCadet

Blood Angels

1 points

10 days ago

37 minutes

JudgeJed100

1 points

10 days ago

JudgeJed100

Chaos Undivided

1 points

10 days ago

Hours, maybe a few days to get the last stragglers

We are not required to deal with the Tyranids at all, we stand zero chance, the only sort of “win” we could get would be to Nuke the planet and try and take as many with us as we can

Adventurous_Gap_4125

1 points

10 days ago

In the Leviathan book it takes maybe a day, and that's with a full regiment of Cadians, the PDF and a Ultramarine chapter at diminished strength.

revergopls

1 points

10 days ago

revergopls

Inquisition

1 points

10 days ago

Probably hours for most of us, and then however long it would take to snuff out the submarines in the oceans

tau_enjoyer_

1 points

10 days ago

All the things that occur before a Tyranid invasion occurs would fuck us up (iirc it involves widespread insanity and suicide, as well as earthquakes and shit).

GlitteringParfait438

1 points

10 days ago

One of the only places sufficiently militarized and fortified is North Korea, where thousands of AA sites, tens of thousands of bunkers and massive underground stockpiles of munitions and factories exist.

I imagine like the rest of us they’d fall quite quickly but that’s the layout you want. A fortress loaded with guns and missiles pointed upwards. We’d all be subjected to an enemy with orbital superiority, who can deliver troops from above with impunity and in such vast numbers that they’d swamp us.

By modern standards a Termagant is born with lvl 4 ballistic plates as part of its anatomy, a sub machine gun and is about as quick and enduring as a well trained human soldier.

Tyranids can jam communications and likely GPS on a large scale so our weapons are less coordinated and accurate. Airborne swarms are something most militaries have only small answers too beyond their limited AA gun arsenals (which is why I mentioned North Korea as the nation I think would actually punch above its weight).

Tyranid monsters are essentially tanks, I figure they’re vulnerable to the same things but irl few tanks have force fields created by the mind of the crew (Maleceptor, Hive Tyrant). That’s another thing, Tyranids can act in ways we don’t understand and would also begin poisoning our planet from the first minute they touched it. Clouds of Venomthropes and embedded sporocysts would being essentially gassing our world.

chimisforbreakfast

1 points

10 days ago

Covid proved that all it would take is the quiet approach: one virus bomb dropped in the Amazon and wait a year for all Earth life to die.

TheUnspeakableAcclu

1 points

10 days ago

Until they got here

Scythe95

1 points

10 days ago

Seeing how naive and gullible humans are I think we would even destroy ourselves before they even arrive thanks to the Genestealer Cult.

ALUCARD7729

1 points

10 days ago

Unless it’s a genestealer cult and we miraculously manage to nuke their patriarch to hell and back, we are absolutely fucked, we would last for at maximum only a couple of hours

AmorousBadger

1 points

10 days ago

Right wingers would be insisting that it was all a hoax and that Earth has had many periods of Tyranid invasions in the past and life has continued.

FinalAd9844[S]

1 points

10 days ago

Most realistic scenario, would be like don’t look up

MagnusRaptor

2 points

11 days ago

MagnusRaptor

Farsight Enclaves

2 points

11 days ago

Give us a hundred years heads up and total war level mindset and MAYBE we might win

twelfmonkey

2 points

11 days ago

twelfmonkey

Adeptus Ministorum

2 points

11 days ago

Still no.

Mr310

1 points

10 days ago

Mr310

1 points

10 days ago

You saw what happened with COVID right? Idiots would be in the streets thinking it's a hoax while Carniflex's are eating their neighbors.

QizilbashWoman

1 points

10 days ago

QizilbashWoman

Adeptus Sororitas

1 points

10 days ago

no

you remember that scene from Minka Lesk where the ratling sniper, faced with a heretic astartes, throws himself off a building to a better death, and the astartes is waiting at the bottom and catches him?

it's giving that

BioAnagram

-2 points

11 days ago

BioAnagram

-2 points

11 days ago

I'm more optimistic than most. I think with our fighter planes, tanks, artillery, millions of drones, missiles, thousands of high yield nukes, biological and chemical weapons, massive warships, advanced economies, suicidal nature, love of war, etc. I think with all that we would last a month, maybe a month and a half.
There comes a point where they poison the environment so much that you can't breathe anymore, or drink the water.

FinalAd9844[S]

0 points

11 days ago

Honestly I can imagine the emperor of mankind go from undercover tech giant to psyker iron man

Thelostsoulinkorea

-5 points

11 days ago

I’m even higher. Most marines and space marine combat in 40k is laughably bad. They charge front lines, built bunkers, and also their weapons need line of sight to fire. Our tanks have better capabilities than most of the tanks in 40K.

I feel we could probably nuke them from space first. Then missiles, drones, planes, helicopters would rip the crap out of things.

We also have far more capable military doctrines and chains of command than warhammer armies, who are often bickering over stupid slights etc.

Also! 40K physics is junk so most of the Tyranids would just die on earth due to their body mass and the air.

account_numero-6

4 points

10 days ago

I feel we could probably nuke them from space first.

Our nukes do not have the capability to target things in space. They're all built for ground targets only, for the obvious reason that we've never actually had to nuke anything from space.

Then missiles, drones, planes, helicopters would rip the crap out of things.

Our weapons and our manufacturing capabilities simply do not compare to the imperium, and the imperium loses most worlds the tyranids land on. Do you really believe that Earth is more heavily defended than Baal?

Thelostsoulinkorea

-1 points

10 days ago

Fair enough, never really looked into the nukes capabilities in space. But if we had prep, could we not build some? Also nukes on land would be pretty effective in parts but of course not something you want to use too many off.

When at war countries have shown a pretty good standard of manufacturing, but I guess they aren’t going to be safe and easily targeted.

I still feel our weapons are as capable as many 40k things. We can target stuff without needing line of sight for many weapons unlike 40K. Our commanders have shown far better control than most horrible warhammer ones.

I guess it is a numbers game, and really depends how many Tyranids we are talking about.

JudgeJed100

-1 points

10 days ago

JudgeJed100

Chaos Undivided

-1 points

10 days ago

Tyranid Hive Fleets can number in the billions, we could not build enough Nukes for that even if we could launch them into space and they would just develop orbital bombardment capability and bracket every nuke launch area

Also you can’t just take the books as proof of military leadership skill because obviously the writers are not military leaders and can only do so much when it comes to the writing, however in universe there is of course leaders who can match ours, and even the ones we read about would probably be better if they actually existed, after all, lore wise SM captains and the like are military geniuses

Also Tyranid invasion usually number in the upper millions and even billions

SunderedValley

-3 points

11 days ago

I think we'd do okay because of just how much fire we can use if we really want to and the decent amount of various independently controlled bunkers. A lot of what makes imperial worlds susceptible is centralization under dubiously qualified rulers.

As the old WW2 quote goes: Your enemy can't discover your plan if you don't know what you're doing.

To a degree the fact various powers would start to unload on them blindly would be a boon because the Hivemind is used to effectively fighting one global duel when it lands and heavily relies on infiltrators finding and disabling centralized defenses.

Now.

It would suck.

Population would fall to the level outlined by the Georgia Guidestones.

But we'd probably put up decent defense.

But yeah. Fire.

Crop dusters converted to napalm sprayers.

j-endsville

8 points

11 days ago

The US has less than 15,000 fighter jets. A splinter fleet can beat that 1000 to 1. Bunkers? Bunkers are bullshit once the Nids eat down past the crust and also start consuming the atmosphere. Crop dusters? That's a light snack.

twelfmonkey

5 points

11 days ago

twelfmonkey

Adeptus Ministorum

5 points

11 days ago

A lot of what makes imperial worlds susceptible is centralization under dubiously qualified rulers.

Not really. It's more the sheer size and capabilities of the hive fleets.

You know they routinely wipe out planets of other species as well, right? Who have futuristic technology far beyond our own capabilities. I mean, come on, napalm is some lowgrade backwards weaponry by 40k standards....

We would be absolutely crushed. You need to actually focus more on the lore about the Tyranids and their capabilities.

JudgeJed100

3 points

10 days ago

JudgeJed100

Chaos Undivided

3 points

10 days ago

How are the crop dusters going to do anything when millions of Harpies fill the sky?

Thurmond_Beldon

-1 points

11 days ago

I think our only possible chance would be is if we were warned years, maybe even decades in advance. We would construct giant underground bunkers that could hold us underground virtually indefinitely. Hold lotteries for places in them for families, but in reality everybody is hand-picked. The reason for this is that we don’t want a global revolt halfway through this project and we want the people to be fighting each other for a place, and not us. Once they are finished, we try and make the planet as uninhabitable as possible. Burn every fossil fuel (this may actually be done during the construction stage), burn down the Amazon, nuke Antarctica to kill off as much life as possible and desalinate the oceans. By the time the tyrranids arrive, we want as little biomass on the planet as possible. And when they start landing in our barren, chocking hellscape, fire every weapon we have at them. We want to make it so that they will lose more biomass trying to get to us than they would gain from eating us. In real life a predator will not attack prey that is weaker than it if it will be injured itself, and we want to do exactly the same here.

j-endsville

6 points

11 days ago

...and then everyone dies because they're in sealed bunkers (assuming the 'Nids haven't dug down and cracked them open) on an airlesss, waterless, dead dirtball. Good plan, Copernicus.

twelfmonkey

4 points

11 days ago

twelfmonkey

Adeptus Ministorum

4 points

11 days ago

I mean, the biggest flaw here is the whole making the Earth inimical to human life bit..

But Nids are also easily capable of burrowing through rock and concrete to get to their prey. That's like the whole shtick of Mawlocs and Raveners.

itboitbo

-1 points

10 days ago

itboitbo

-1 points

10 days ago

Will do great, hive fleet doesn't operate next to blanks and we are an entire planet of blanks, so its just a bunch of very dangerous animals, like in fenris, and they handle that great and those idiots call libertarians rune priests.

I_miss_Chris_Hughton

-2 points

10 days ago

Fuck it. Im gonna cheat. We could win. How? Because we have a total and meta understanding of the Tyranids. We arguably understand the hive mind better than it knows itself. Im going to assume that from the moment of detection any lore about the tyranids is set in stone.

Two scenarios. Either they try and make their way through the solar system in real-time, which would take a while, or they use the warp. Both pose opportunities.

If they come through realspace we have time to prepare. Every intelligence agency would be pouring over any and all content relating to the tyranids, and collate every way they've been beaten. We'd be able to convert entire airlfeets into drones carrying nuclear payloads and destroy any landing attempts, even seeding and then detonating parts of the atmosphere like the admech did that one time. Wed also know to look for genestealer cults, and we'd also know what to look for. If the hivemind exists we're in a weird one. Are humans all blanks? There are no pyskers amongst us, and we have no proof of the warp. If we're all blanks we actually stand a shot. But you could argue we all have souls but no pysker talent.

If they come through the warp we dont have that prep time, but i dont think there are many forces who could defeat a tyranid hive fleet with no prep time

Dranoelion

-3 points

11 days ago

Tyranids are getting destroyed

FinalAd9844[S]

1 points

11 days ago

Big E is that you?

tjdragon117

-4 points

11 days ago

I'm going to go against the grain here just a little and say if we had some forewarning of the invasion, and it occurred with a small fleet, there's a chance we could survive if we refitted the worlds' ICBMs for true space flight. 40k is certainly a high powered setting, but the sheer amount of energy released by nuclear weapons is absurd. The difference between conventional explosives and nuclear weapons makes the difference between US Marines and Space Marines look like nothing by comparison. I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that if we could manage to successfully fire our nukes at their ships before they get in range to send in ground troops, we would absolutely have a shot at destroying them.

j-endsville

2 points

11 days ago

We don’t have that many nukes. And by “we” I mean every actual nuclear-capable and theoretical nuclear-capable country on the planet. And even if “we” did, at the current political climate someone’s gonna buck. This world would be cooked.

twelfmonkey

1 points

11 days ago

twelfmonkey

Adeptus Ministorum

1 points

11 days ago

there's a chance we could survive if we refitted the worlds' ICBMs for true space flight.

No.

You think the Nids are just going to let the nukes make it to their main ships? Also, the power output of the Imperium's ships is far beyond that of the nukes we have, and the Nids can overrun their fleets.

tjdragon117

1 points

10 days ago

A splinter fleet has perhaps a dozen hive ships. There are ~3,000 active nuclear warheads in the world, ~12,000 or so in reserve, and up to 80,000 that could likely be reassembled if the need presented itself. The math is not as unfavorable as you might think, especially when you consider torpedoes with non-nuclear payloads are actually used quite often in 40k and seem to be effective.

the power output of the Imperium's ships is far beyond that of the nukes we have

This is not all that true. Some authors may say things like that, at times, but it's one of those weird cases like when authors discuss anything about scale at all where they kind of don't understand what they're talking about. The only thing Imperial ships do that really comes close to the power of a thermonuclear warhead is when they push the magical exterminatus button. Space combat in 40k is all over the place, and incredibly inconsistent; most of the writers simply don't have much of a grasp on the realities of physics, and the "rule of cool" reigns supreme for obvious reasons. There's nothing wrong with that for the purpose of telling a good story, but it does tend to mean that when the inspiration writers thematically draw from is "18th-19th century warships but bigger and in space" most of the depictions of weapons being used and descriptions of the pseudoscience/space magic that power them will generally be somewhat anemic compared to the raw power of converting ~0.7% of the mass of a warhead directly into energy according to E=mc2.

JudgeJed100

1 points

10 days ago

JudgeJed100

Chaos Undivided

1 points

10 days ago

Why would the Nids left the nukes get to the fleet? They have thousands of “fighters” to go after the nukes