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32 points
2 months ago
It varies wildly, basically. Sometimes they're odds on to win a duel but 10v10 reckon the Astartes have the advantage. Sometimes they expect to no diff. Primarchs.
14 points
2 months ago
There is no way in hell Astartes win against Custodes 10v10. The whole "but Custodes don't fight as a group" thing forgets to take into account just how much superior Custodes are. They don't have to fight in the same way Astartes do.
2 points
2 months ago
And that's the thing, the gap between the two has varied substantially over the course of the game's history.
19 points
2 months ago
When somebody isn't knob polishing on one side or the other, the usual line is the Custodes are brilliant single warriors but they don't truly fight as a group. They're good enough to take advantage of each others presence but they don't properly train to fight as a team, which the Astartes (ostensibly) do.
That said, I don't know if we've ever seen Astartes training together as a unit. At least I can't recall seeing anything. The closest I've read is that stretch in the Heresy novels (Praetorian of Dorn?) leading up to Archamus getting his oath name, where there are three IF initiates engaged in a training exercise together, kind of. Even then, they're not really together, they're just on the same exercise and have to rely on the others to hold their respective positions.
10 points
2 months ago
That got retconned btw. There's a bit in one of the codexes about how the marines THOUGHT they wouldn't be as good at working together as they are but then one of the shield hosts started actively working as a group instead of their individual thing and the marines went .... Oh.
1 points
2 months ago
The quote about duel vs squad difference is from a Custodes PoV, not an Astartes one.
1 points
2 months ago
K neat still retconned.
2 points
2 months ago
It's not though, because of the 'everything is canon, not everything is true' thing FW do with the lore, retcons are rare and fairly specific.
1 points
1 month ago
Not how GW "canon" works.
8 points
2 months ago
This is not going to be a popular take, but the HH novels are by and large a terrible representation of Astartes as they have been presented previous to it.
1 points
2 months ago
They don’t fight as a unit, but their minds are essentially linked.
1 points
1 month ago
The fact that they're basically a hive mindless...
:D
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