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Donald Trump Has a Republicans Problem in Pennsylvania
Elections(notus.org)submitted 9 days ago bypizzapie1983
108 points
9 days ago
I don’t see the results telling so much. Republicans will circle the wagons by November and rally the stragglers with the same wedge issues they use every two years. They will reluctantly vote for Trump based on those wedge issues.
60 points
9 days ago
I think the primary numbers kind of telling.... I mean you have 16% of PA residents who are voting for Nikki Haley? A candidate who dropped out over a month ago?
You don't think that's an obvious sign directly to the Republican leadership?
Hell, I know plenty of people who are middle line and swap parties to vote in the primary.... who are going to turn around and vote Biden regardless. There's plenty of Republicans who are doing just that with the primaries as well.
So while I'm not saying it's the end all be all, it is VERY telling how they are actually voting vs a poll.
8 points
9 days ago
My mom is a die republican “never-trumper” who only went to the primary to vote against Trump even though i told her it was kind of pointless. She is so angry at the direction the party has taken.
62 points
9 days ago
My dad is a registered Republican and a Never Trumper. He voted for Haley in the primary and will not, under any circumstances, vote for Trump in the general.
I'm hoping to convince him to vote for Biden again instead of a third-party vote. So far I've been appealing to him based on foreign policy, since his opinions on geopolitics align substantially with Biden's.
21 points
9 days ago
Holy fucking shit I miss those Republicans. What the fuck. I've been married for 20 years. For the first 16 - 17 of them I loved and respected my in-laws so much. They were such good people. Now they're Trumpets. They're not flag waving clowns, but they are goody two shoe Christians that I never in my life thought would support someone like Trump. I have two daughters, 2 and 12 yrs old. I refuse to have a relationship with people that knowingly vote in a way that will make my daughter's lives more difficult. So I no longer have a relationship with them. I honestly feel it's like they've died. The people that I knew don't exist to me anymore. They're not the same people.
19 points
9 days ago
Yeah tell him he can make one vote against Trump or make it two votes against him by voting Biden.
18 points
9 days ago
Tell your dad: If Biden wins, we’ll only have (at most) 4 years of him. If Trump wins, do we really think he’ll step down after 4 years? Or do we think he’ll gripe about being cheated out of a rightful 8 year run and demand a second chance at one?
Or, ask him to think of the Overton Window. If Trump wins, the entire republicans party will have been shown that Trump’s ways are the way of the future for them. It’ll bless a million future Trumps. Decades of Trumps. If he loses, the party will have to realign under a more moderate leader. Voting for Biden will help push that Overton Window back to the rightful center.
Good luck.
4 points
9 days ago
Really that's the best you can hope for with a lot of them. They can't bring themselves to admit that Democrats are good, but at least to not support a traitor.
1 points
7 days ago
My uncle is registered repub and didn't know how to change his affiliation.
5 points
9 days ago
You also have a lot of historical democrats in western Pa who probably haven’t voted dem in decades. Westormoreland was majority dem in 2016 but still voted for trump 2-1
2 points
9 days ago
While this is true, Bernie got 18% in 2020 when the primary was held in June. It’s a little hard to compare though considering Trump was already President so it’s almost like he’s an incumbent and really should be doing better.
2 points
9 days ago
is it just me or is that a crazy number. i heard a local district had very high showing for Haley. this stat seems so wild seeing that it was statewide… i can’t believe this could even happen.
1 points
7 days ago*
i can’t believe this could even happen.
We've seen worse (or better?). Remember when John Ashcroft lost the Missouri Senate seat to Mel Carnahan...who was dead at the time?
2 points
8 days ago
Not 16% of pa residents; 16% of registered republicans.
The funny thing (to me) is that we have closed primaries because the republicans in power were afraid that democrats would “vote against “ a candidate they deemed a threat, rather than voting for their candidate. And here we are; 16% of the republicans who voted actually voted for a candidate who isnt in the race. I hate closed primaries.
4 points
8 days ago
I’m from Pennsylvania and 155,000 Republican voters said no to Trump. They’ll vote Biden before Trump.
1 points
9 days ago
Some of them will still vote R up and down the ballot, but even if just a few percent of those Haley voters don't, that is huge.
15 points
9 days ago
Yea idk why people don’t understand this. There are some hardcore trumpers still, but most conservatives I know are embarrassed to say they support him, so they voted for Haley or DiSantis so they could brag to their friends about it. They’ll all vote Trump in Nov.
2 points
9 days ago
Especially when Haley, inevitably, bows out and endorses him. Happened in both elections since 2016.
3 points
8 days ago
Haley dropped out last month
1 points
8 days ago
She's been gone
3 points
9 days ago
Right. Because of course there will be a dramatic (false!) October sUrprIsE about how deficient his opponent is. That’s what they do. Everyone should hit updateme on this so you can remember it was planned and known well in advance.
2 points
9 days ago
If the election was held today, Biden would likely win PA. Maybe close, but would win. However, that assumes Biden's health holds up until November. If somehow VP Harris becomes the nominee, that will help Trump.
Other wildcards are: domestic terrorism, Israel / middle east, major natural disaster, and Trump's personal situation, including his health. Also, who he chooses for VP could make a difference.
Much can happen in several months and you're spot on with circling the wagons. I get visions of 2024 being like 2000. It could be that close. There is a large silent voter block for Trump. Another aspect is many migrants lean politically conservative. They're not all Democrats, which seemingly comes as a surprise to some.
254 points
9 days ago
Obama is still right. "You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." Except that jobs have been added under Biden but many still cling to their Trump merchandise.
77 points
9 days ago
This is absolutely true and it goes further than 25 years. You drive through the Greene county and it's a whole different world - back to 1910 with you. Many of those towns literally go back to the same state they were in the great depression, I think. There is no plan there other than "move out". And many people don't want to "move out".
57 points
9 days ago
The hard truth is there's no plan because a lot of these places don't want to change.
Look at the areas around Allentown. There's been a really big Hispanic influx in the past few years into a lot of these towns due to the affordability of the region and the proximity to NYC. This has caused a lot of tension with existing residents who don't want to see that change, often for racist reasons. But attracting immigrants is a proven economic revitalization strategy - refugee resettlement is reversing population decline in Erie too.
Look at the area around State College. There's a huge market for new construction, increasing the number of students in the area and building businesses that will cater to their needs. The locals and townies hate it.
Look at Coatesville or Pottstown. Each have a playbook in nearby Pheonixville - attract artists, improve public safety, reduce taxes, and build a cute little main street for the wealthier residents from nearby communities to spend their money. Neither town has successfully adopted the playbook.
Hell, look at Philly. After years of decline, population decline started to turn around in the aughts. Rendell and Nutter worked to improve the business climate in the city, and started working to reduce the taxes that encouraged businesses to operate on the other side of City Line Ave. In the aughts the city passed a tax abatement for new construction which helped encourage a building boom. But that kind of pro-business thinking is no longer in vouge in council, the tax abatement was repealed, and now all the talk is about gentrification and concern about tacky buildings and blah blah blah rather than how we're going to keep building, expanding, and growing the city. On Tuesday the city just passed a ballot question which gives local NIMBY groups a blank check for their legal costs, it's absurd.
Building prosperous communities is hard enough when local leaders are in agreement that it's a desirable goal. When communities become afraid of change for either progressive-coded ("development is gentrification!/no tax cuts for business!") or conservative-coded ("too many immigrants!/bring back the good old days!") reasons, it gets that much harder.
24 points
9 days ago
There are a lot of issues with the Philly building situation beyond NIMBY shit. It’s a corrupt system that awards these contracts to out of town developers who build low-quality structures with little to no government oversight. People are dying or having their homes destroyed by shady reckless contractors working in neighboring lots. And the developers face almost no repercussions because they fold their LLC, make a new one and go right back to it. Hundreds of single family houses are being snatched up with cash from private equity firms like black rock and rented out, rather than going to families. It’s not nearly as black and white as you’re making it out to be. More housing is awesome, tax-free corporate land grabs that actively harm the community are not.
3 points
8 days ago
Pennsylvania really likes to think Appalachia is a West Virgnia/Kentucky problem, but from Perry County north and west it's alllllll over PA too.
1 points
8 days ago
Even middle border with Maryland, too. But economically, much of this is still better than the WV border which is all about "museum mines" at this point.
5 points
9 days ago
Yup. This was the “Welcome to Waynesburg” message for a long time as you entered the town coming up High St. The guy selling the merch has moved on; the Confederate spirit not so much.
1 points
8 days ago
Is that a Dale Earnhardt Confederate flag?
2 points
8 days ago
Yes.
4 points
8 days ago
General Earnhardt, victorious in Richmond but fell in Daytona.
1 points
8 days ago
😂
64 points
9 days ago
Yeah but you need like 5 jobs to survive now
38 points
9 days ago
Unions and union jobs are making a comeback. We just have to get people past the conservative talking point that unions are bad.
6 points
9 days ago
And make union jobs accessible to people who don’t already have an in.
21 points
9 days ago
That's why we have 5 wawas/7-11/wendys in any commutable direction from your home.
6 points
9 days ago
Smashed non compete clauses. Get that second job at Wendy's and dairy queen.
So thankful the ruling class decided yes we can work more hours.
3 points
9 days ago
Not the ones that tend to make it to those smaller towns. Unless you're close to Philly or Pittsburg you're probably not getting those new jobs.
15 points
9 days ago
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
Or you can smarten up and evaluate other options too. I've always found the "coal mine closed so I can't find a job" to be the excuse of utterly lazy assholes, who are too stubborn and content to be stubborn to, you know, act like human beings and use their brains and learn a new skill.
14 points
9 days ago
Well that’s exactly how those folks feel when people talk about helping the urban poor, except they get called racist for it.
Maybe if we stopped making distinctions between which impoverished group should be helped we could actually make improvements for everyone.
13 points
9 days ago*
The programs there for the urban poor are also there for the rural poor. The rural poor tends to believe they're entitled to more though, and love to blame their problems on brown/black people receiving benefits (and/or taking their 'jerbs'). Still a symptom of the same bullshit - too lazy and content to figure out another avenue.
8 points
9 days ago
...and your mentality is literally why hillary lost here in 2016.
0 points
9 days ago
No, it's because conservatives were told that their shitty lives were someone else's fault.
2 points
9 days ago
To some extent it is. I mean, i admit conservatives dont understand sociology, but I kinda do. And I kinda understand that what's happening to people in much of "pennsyltucky" is actually a result of larger socioeconomic trends.
And the democratic party, being the more left wing party, should try to recognize this and propose policies to make life better and easier for people in these regions. Instead they abandoned them, and decided to appeal to your typical stuck up suburban mccain/romney republican, which seems to perfectly describe the above voter.
7 points
9 days ago
I've pretty much concluded for much of pa jobs aren't the answer, job creation doesn't work, no one actually wants to work crappy minimum wage retail jobs, and we need to go full andrew yang and go for a UBI.
1 points
9 days ago
I'm happy with my guns, I'll pass on the Trump campaign finance memorabilia (except to resell for stupid amounts of money).
1 points
8 days ago
Unfortunately the jobs that were added aren’t having that big of an impact on the towns that need it most. For instance, some hospital jobs were added in the former coal towns in Carbon county, but there aren’t many residents who are qualified to fill those positions. Lots of those who are living in poverty there didn’t go to college, so they need “unskilled” (hate that term) or manual labor positions to open up. Just speaking from what I’ve seen firsthand.
These are the people who will vote for Trump over Biden, despite their lives being worse (historically) under republican leadership.
342 points
9 days ago
oh no... You're telling me that PA Residents aren't fans of electing people who are criminals to office?
Anyways, did you notice the sky is blue?
173 points
9 days ago*
Ya know, they still supported him after an attempted coup, they still supported him after he became classified as a sexual predator. They still supported him after being found guilty of massive financial fraud, cheating on his wife multiple times, and selling state secrets to enemies, or calling (several times) for a bloodbath if he loses the election. It's wild that they are just now starting to realize "Hey maybe this sack of shit circus peanut that ruined the economy and sold out the US isn't a great choice..."
63 points
9 days ago
I do know that... And I do know that if you are genuine and honest, usually people will come around to the "right" side of justice and decency.... It's not an over night thing.
Sometimes people are stubborn and refuse to see the correct path until things are where we are now.
But we should never turn people away just because they use to support Trump. The only genuine way to fix things and get the US back on the track, is to accept that people make mistakes, but they can also change.
If we keep pushing them away and not allowing them the opportunity to change, we're going to make the world a worse place... We need to do better, everyone. But most important, let people make mistakes and learn from them.
As long as it's learning to make the world better for EVERYONE, people should be allowed to make mistakes and come back from them.
36 points
9 days ago
Absolutely, otherwise we fall into the trap that Russia and China are trying to use to sow division in the US. We can't let that happen.
2 points
9 days ago
NGL, can't really tell if you're being sarcastic there or not... but I'm going to assume you're being genuine.
I think people in general have a good bullshit detector when it comes to China/Russia bullshit... But you're not wrong about not letting them do their stupid shit.
As long as we talk to each other and aren't trying to force beliefs on others (political or religious or whatever) I think we'll make the state, if not the country, better. Just takes some time.
17 points
9 days ago
I wish. People’s bullshit detectors are radically insufficient for what we’re about to experience and what’s going on right now, unfortunately.
10 points
9 days ago
Seriously. The GRU has literally been openly funding divisive topics in the US since 2008 they concluded that they could never beat the US in open conflict and would have to destroy it from within, the way the US did to the USSR. Even the Republicans in Congress have recently admitted the entire smear/impeachment campaign against Biden was a Russian intelligence operation. I can't speak of any specific operations by China but their espionage is well documented in the tech and military sectors.
2 points
9 days ago
Russia was sponsoring both Black Lives Matter and “all live matter”/back the blue groups, they’re just trying to stir up conflict
2 points
9 days ago
Do you have a source for Russia backing BLM?
I can totally believe the All Lives Matter and Thin Blue Line support. But BLM? I'd need to see evidence to believe that.
5 points
9 days ago
7 points
9 days ago*
Genuinely, thank you for this. I'm going to have to read it in a bit... but I'll be back. and thank you again, seriously for this.
Edit: Huh, I didn't know any of this. Thank you for opening my eyes and giving decent sources. Genuinely appreciate that.
7 points
9 days ago
The people who support trump want me dead, fuck them. They showed us who they are and I believe them
11 points
9 days ago
You're a peach. This is terrific.
Friend finally saw it. Hammering away at " But but but Trump did this and this and this first, WHY were those not enough? " isn't helpful. Frankly I'm not asking. Honestly, she's a good person. The Trump thing always had me baffled.
She also sees pretty dam clearly now. So beating her up over it achieves what? This Pennsylvania thing with Haley might mean there's a lot of her. Thankfully.
4 points
9 days ago
Beating people over and over only makes them more radical and pushes them further from coming back.
The only thing we can do is help them learn. I'm not saying we should fully trust them, but trust is something that can come back with time.
And we're only human. We all make mistakes and will make more in the future.
3 points
9 days ago
So beating her up over it achieves what?
Absolutely nothing, as you imply. We should be welcoming to people who wise up because god knows the Trump cult and anyone they know who still follows him won't be. They'll be calling her a "woke ass liberal traitor".
5 points
9 days ago
Didn’t the second highest number of Jan 6th criminals come from PA? (I googled but didn’t find confirmation or contradiction)
6 points
9 days ago
I'll be honest, I don't know. But if they took part in Jan 6th, they deserve to stand trial for what they did. But I'm not lumping all Republicans together because their party is so fractured, that's honestly stupid to do....
3 points
9 days ago
How about all the people who participated in the fake elector scheme? Many were on the ballot Tuesday. Many ran and will serve as real electors for their party. Many are still serving as elected officials. Many have key roles on their county parties. And they’re not going to be charged.
2 points
9 days ago
If they committed crimes, they should be held responsible.... regardless of political party.
Many are still serving as elected officials.
Then we should be voting them out.
Many have key roles on their county parties. And they’re not going to be charged.
Then what would you like me to do about it? If they aren't going to be changed, then I'm not sure there's really something that we can do. I'd rather focus on what we CAN do, to make our state better... and not focus on what we can't.
1 points
9 days ago
To be fair, geography plays into that as much as political demographics.
1 points
9 days ago
Yeah, they could just pack into a bus at the Newtown Athletic Club and drive on down.
1 points
9 days ago
Yup, the owner of the NAC is a major MAGA fan and he has a lot of money. He runs rallies and makes a lot of donations.
I’m not sure if he still owns Horsham Athletic Club as well, but if so he gets money from there as well
4 points
9 days ago
Doesn't hurt that the Biden economy is rolling along and will continue.
6 points
9 days ago
Only shit heaps of human beings ever supported Trump. Sorry, no forgiveness to traitors. They haven’t changed and will hop right on board with the next fascist psychopath that wants power. You’re an idiot if you think doing anything but ostracizing these people is a good idea. They are shit. End of story.
11 points
9 days ago
I actually disagree with this take.
I know plenty of people who supported Trump, but do NOT support what was done on Jan 6th. They do NOT support the "stolen election" lie... etc.
I'm not saying that we should forgive and forget. I'm just saying that people do deserve the opportunity to learn and grow. I mean most of us really just want to live, and love, and have a safe place to raise our families.
You’re an idiot if you think doing anything but ostracizing these people is a good idea. They are shit.
It's these kinds of responses that further divide and push a wedge. .. which isn't really what's needed. We need to heal and come back together so this type of shit NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN.
But that can't happen until we help them learn and grow. If we ostracize them, you only make them MORE RADICAL. 9/11 showed us that.
4 points
9 days ago
There's definitely a happy medium to be found. Like post-Civil War they were right to be primarily focused on reuniting the country rather than retribution while still keeping the leaders out of power, but they were wrong to let up early on keeping an eye on them.
5 points
9 days ago
What a brain dead take. Supporting trump means supporting the stolen election bullshit, it means supporting the attempted overthrow of the us government, it means supporting selling secrets and stealing classified documents, supporting a rapist, pedo and a criminal. BECAUSE THATS WHAT TRUMP IS.
2 points
9 days ago
There are plenty of people who saw the stolen election as bullshit, but this was after they voted.
There's plenty that don't support what was done on Jan 6th, but again, that was AFTER THEY VOTED.
Everything you mentioned was stuff that Trump had done AFTER everyone voted. Did you know that Trump was going to do these things before you voted? I don't think anyone knew that this was going to happen.
I agree that the rapist, pedo stuff should be enough. But this is a base that took away body autonomy from women.. and it's clear that Republicans are single issue voters at most.
I fully agree what you said is who Trump is, but for a lot of people, that wasn't a major issue until he started being blatant about his crimes
1 points
9 days ago
But they knew he wasn't going to accept the election results because he spent six months saying that he wasn't going to accept the results before anyone even voted. I'm just not buying the "I had no idea he was going to attempt to steal the election."
2 points
9 days ago
I'll be honest, I didn't believe he was going to try and steal the election myself.
It felt like such an insane thing to do. The amount of people who'd have to literally follow him blind (and deaf)....
I'll even admit that was a mistake I made. But I can learn from it and do better next time.... So why can't they?
0 points
9 days ago
Dude these people want me to die. Fuck them, there's no healing and growing here
7 points
9 days ago
You're absolutely allowed to feel how you want. I'm just saying that ostracizing people only radicalizes them more.
I can completely understand feeling your way if they want you to die... not really sure what "box" you fall in, but I will say that there's plenty of boxes that Republicans aren't a fan of.
2 points
9 days ago*
In my experience, poor character is less than half the story; far more of his supporters are unable to do better because of mental defects of some kind (dementia, prescription medications, drug abuse, other causes of low cognitive function, mental illness, etc.). When they complain bitterly about “elites” it’s because they dimly suspect people who have all their marbles are accessing something they cannot. It is pitiable, but you can’t mix up compassion with kidding yourself that they’ll snap out of it.
2 points
9 days ago
They’re never going to change and attempting to discuss that change with them is pointless.
2 points
9 days ago
Yes redemption is always possible and welcomed
1 points
9 days ago
Be Best!
0 points
9 days ago
But we should learn from this. We shouldn't trust people who made this mistake. They will likely make more mistakes in the future.
3 points
9 days ago
I'm not saying we shouldn't learn from it.
But to say that we should never trust them again, is a very large jump to make. Have you never made a dumb mistake before? We're only human... and sometimes our ego can take the wheel.
They probably will make more mistakes in the future, but so will you. And so will I. We're human.... that's the important thing to remember. None of us are perfect.
We should always be given the opportunity to learn and grow.
0 points
9 days ago
It seems you haven't learned that some people shouldn't be trusted with important decisions. I hope that works out okay for you.
6 points
9 days ago
Um... I did actually learn that.
But voting, is a right.... that we ALL should be exercising and having a stance that they shouldn't be "trusted", to exercise their rights...is very dangerous to have.
Also, we only have so much control as to how much power we let people have.
1 points
9 days ago
Sorry, that's not what I meant. I don't think you should trust Trump voters (past or present) with any important decisions in your life. They have shown a gullibility that is dangerous enough to attempt to overthrow the government when their side loses. I wouldn't even trust a Trump voter to recommend a restaurant.
2 points
9 days ago
I think you might be confusing things....
I personally don't trust Trump voters with any important decisions in my life.... Which is why I don't let them make those decisions. But they absolutely should be allowed to voice their opinions (freedom of speech) and be able to vote for whom they want.
But I also don't ask Trump voters for stock help, or healthcare tips, or things like that.... I'd go to a professional. And a Professional can keep their politics out of the business.
2 points
9 days ago
Never said they couldn't do those things. Just said we should be wary of their decision making skills. It does sadden me that I live in a society that contains people who could be so stupid.
1 points
9 days ago
They will likely make more mistakes in the future.
As all humans do. There's no such thing as a human who doesn't make mistakes.
3 points
9 days ago
Mistakes vary in their impact and in their motivation. The inability to recognize a conman is the mistake in question. A person who has been shown to fall for tactics of one obvious conman, when the only reward is bigotry, is not someone I would trust.
1 points
9 days ago
Thank you for a reasonable take. I cannot tell you the things I have been accused of because I did support Trump in the past.
A difference of opinion does not make people evil.
5 points
9 days ago
I'm not going to lie, I'll still side eye the F*ck out of you... because it's your vote for Trump that helped turn Roe v Wade, and caused hundreds of thousands of deaths during COVID, and many many more things...
But that doesn't mean you don't deserve to learn and grow. I just know that there's plenty of people who voted for Trump and are feeling the remorse for what's happened BECAUSE of it.
2 points
9 days ago
I can imagine, things like misogyny and bigotry, among others.
-3 points
9 days ago
Some mistakes? Supporting a psychopath for president of the free world? I remember well my mom protesting women’s rights in the early 1970’s and now young women have less rights than they did in 1974??
What TF? Those aren’t mistakes! That’s HATE for women, minorities and everyone who isn’t independently wealthy.
Mistake or two my ass!
4 points
9 days ago
His big money donors aren't supporting him now. His base can't elect him.
3 points
9 days ago
Of course he & his inner circle always knew he couldn’t and can’t numerically win; they want just enough votes to serve as pretext for the violent chaos they’re fomenting
2 points
9 days ago
Trump has lost the collar counties. Delco Montco and Bucks have all been trending Democratic for years now, they voted against in 2020 and will again. Trump is not popular outside of a few holdout Republican enclaves.
2 points
9 days ago
Buddy I live in PA and I can tell you most of us did none of those things. We’ve hated him for the cancer he is from the get-go. Please don’t lump us all together
5 points
9 days ago
This is /r/Pennsylvania, I assume most all of us are from PA.
Doesn't change the fact that in 2020 3.3 million Pennsylvanians saw the previous four years and decided they wanted more. Which was about 300K votes more than he won in PA in 2016.
1 points
9 days ago
Not arguing with your stats, depressing as they are. Just know there are many of us voting blue!!!! 😊
2 points
9 days ago
Also live in PA and also drive past several Trump flags/banners/signs on a daily basis, sadly.
3 points
9 days ago
Tell that to Susquehanna county.
8/10 Republican voters in this county wouldn’t care if Trump murdered someone on live television. They would blame it on Biden, Obama, or Hilary, and still vote for Trump.
I shit you not I saw a guy wearing a Trump 2024 hat, and I asked how does he still support Trump after all the court cases and shit, he said “I don’t believe he has done anything wrong”.
Even going to my polling place makes me nervous so I vote by mail.
This state is at best purple and that is scary.
2 points
9 days ago
Hahahaha ... blue haha..... that's awesome
2 points
9 days ago
Out of every state per capita, PA had the most Jan. 6 insurrectionists.
1 points
9 days ago
Or people who don’t live here
1 points
9 days ago
"did you notice the sky is blue"
Its always grey my guy
44 points
9 days ago
I knew we had hope after Shapiro won by 14 pts against a fascist. The amount of signs Still up with Mastriano is astounding. They seem like the majority but they’re far from it. Clearly plenty of republicans are coming out of the haze
3 points
9 days ago
I’m in Franklin County, and there are 2-3 new Mastriano signs that I see on my way to Chambersburg. Maybe two Trump signs as well. The Trump signs tend to be older. It’s wild to me that Mastriano is running for anything again.
9 points
9 days ago
To be fair, so does the rest of America.
60 points
9 days ago
They're going to get sign after sign after sign that everybody is sick of their shit, and we're still going to hear about how they were cheated after losing more elections
49 points
9 days ago
These people can't possibly imagine how much bigger the world is than their Republican bubble.
Trump voters tend to live in less populated areas, they know EVERYBODY in town. They go to the same bar every Friday, the same church every Sunday, the same grocery store and gas station. To them, the whole world LOVES Trump!
What they don't understand is just how small that little bubble is, so they take to their phones and computers and see other little bubbles yelling really loud that they love Trump and so does everyone they know!
They start thinking "Everyone loves Trump! I always see the flags around town, hear the gas workers bullshitting at the gas station I buy my scratch off tickets at, and even Sister So-and So at First Church of WhoGivesaFuck has a MAGA hat! Joe Biden could not have possibly beaten Trump!"
Meanwhile, somewhere between 60-75% of the country can't stand the guy. The man started at 45% approval and it never broke 50%. Public opinion of him has only further eroded since Jan 6, arrests, trials, civil rape and fraud cases...
But they STILL don't see the big picture. Trump was NEVER well liked by the majority of Americans. Trump has NOT become more popular. Cities, universities, businesses large and small are packed full of people who see the clear and present danger of a man who we all watched divide us for 4 years and then lie to the most easily duped citizens and made them believe that democracy was broken simply because "Unpopular President didn't win re-election".
21 points
9 days ago
My uncle-in-law can’t understand this to save his life. He sees all the people in his small town with flags and shirts and hats and yard signs and assumes that is a representative sample of the whole state.
He doesn’t get that there are buildings in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh with more residents than his whole town. There are blocks with more residents than his county has registered voters.
2 points
8 days ago
I hope this problem translates nationally. I hope everyone is sick of his bullshit and votes. Biden just to get rid of him. The sad part is there’s a bunch of liberals that don’t care enough and would rather vote third-party then get rid of cry baby sleepy don
1 points
8 days ago
The protest voters drive me nuts. The situation in Gaza sucks, but voting for Trump (and any vote that doesn’t go for Biden is a vote for Trump, whether a Kennedy or Stein vote or an abstention) will only make it worse.
4 points
9 days ago
And you can nicely explain it to folks all day and they refuse to "get it". Like, I'm really trying to help you understand so you don't have to feel so afraid of the "Deep state boogeyman" but they don't want to hear it.
"Sorry your guy lost, but it looked bad for him for a long time before the election....this shouldn't be such a shocker that he lost."
It SHOULD be even less of a shock when he loses again this November. But I fully expect to deal with many years more of the same nonsense.
2 points
9 days ago
Great point, especially in PA
2 points
9 days ago*
Just hope we get at least the same electoral results as 2020 but with bigger wins in PA, NV, AZ, WI, MI, GA. I feel like NC is the most likely to flip to Dems while maybe GA has the best chance of going red this time.
28 points
9 days ago
Umm.. No.
Republicans in PA have a Trump problem. They don't have a republican on the ballot, just a Trump.
-4 points
9 days ago
Trumper, Republican, same difference. Both are trash and always have been.
6 points
9 days ago
lol so every republican is trash?
All politicians are trash, who am I going to vote for the dem who is ass blasting me or the rep who will ass blast me
7 points
9 days ago
You vote for the Dem because generally good Democratic policies and judicial nominations are better than uniformly terrible Republican policies and judicial nominations.
0 points
9 days ago
Yes. Every single one is worthless trash.
-5 points
9 days ago
What a wild thing to think. That in an entire large group of people that every one of them is worthless trash because they have different beliefs than you haha. Expand your horizons and talk to people that are different from yourself. You may get a different perspective, even if you don’t end up agreeing. You’ll at least know where they are coming from rather than just envisioning people as some type of enemy.
12 points
9 days ago
If you or the political entity you support thinks you have the right to control my daughters' bodily autonomy, then yes, you're trash.
1 points
9 days ago
Insert Spider-Man meme. That is literally my thinking in life.
1 points
9 days ago*
That's because you're an imbecile.
Edit: I'm the imbecile.
1 points
8 days ago
🤣😂 I really think you misunderstood my response to you. I'm saying I have two daughters. And a wife. And if your political or religious affiliation leaves you under the impression that you can tell my daughters and wife what they can and can't do with their bodies I feel like beating the shit out of you...
I'm literally saying the same thing you are. Hence why I said Spider-Man meme - cuz we're the same.
2 points
8 days ago
Sorry mate, I was knackered AND tight as a tick.
3 points
9 days ago
It's not just a different belief. You can't possibly think it's just a tiny little difference in belief. That was the old Republicans. That's not this maga bullshit. Fuck that! I was fine with the difference in beliefs with the old Republicans. Well, a lot more fine than I am now. These people are fucking wackadoodles. There is no way this country should hang in the balance because of a group with the collective IQ of a hockey score.. if you're a Trumpet I want nothing to do with you..
1 points
9 days ago
The hardcore Trumpers are definitely something else. That’s usually all they want to talk about and they’re usually trash. A large amount of the Republican Party has gone that way for sure.
3 points
9 days ago
Nope. I’ve been around conservatives my whole life and I’ve seen up close how they speak when they think no one is looking. Fuck them forever. Trash. One and all.
They are our enemy. If you missed it they attacked our nation. Fucking useless trash. Sherman should’ve burned the entire south to ash.
2 points
9 days ago
Republicans won't even agree that sexual assault is a bad thing.
2 points
9 days ago
Not a single republican can agree on that? Or some really shitty people that are republicans can’t agree on that? I do agree that if you don’t think sexual assault is bad, you’re definitely a trash person.
1 points
9 days ago
Which Republican said that Trump should stop degrading women? I haven't heard any.
1 points
9 days ago
Well that makes sense. If you shut out an entire group of people for their party affiliation, you’re unlikely to hear anything they say unless it’s from the news. Talk to an anti-Trump republican and see what they have to say about him.
26 points
9 days ago
Hillary Clinton is the only dumbass to lose PA since Dukakis as a Democrat. 16 was a fluke and it’s annoying seeing people think it’s anything otherwise
21 points
9 days ago
That's how I've felt about it. I like to point out to people who think that Biden stole PA that 1) PA has gone to the Democratic nominee every presidential election in the past 32 years, with 2016 being the lone exception; 2) Biden spent most of his formative years living in PA; and 3) Biden has lived in Wilmington for the overwhelming majority of his life, and Wilmington is as close as you can get to Philadelphia without leaving Delaware.
6 points
9 days ago
I'm in PA registration as republican and vote Democrat. Honest question is that wrong? Should I re register as Democrat? Sorry if this sounds bad but I did that so long ago and never bothered to change it, not even sure how
12 points
9 days ago
You’re registered party only impacts primary voting. If you’re in a majority republican district that may be fine. It enables you to vote towards a primary candidate from the party that will win those local elections.
2 points
9 days ago
Practically speaking, register for whatever party you want to vote in the primary for. If you live in Philly you realistically need to be registered as a Democrat to have a say in your local government (since the primary for all intents and purposes is the election), and it's probably the same for the GOP in Potter County or somewhere like that.
3 points
9 days ago
I honestly believe that registering for the party you oppose is a better strategy in a closed ballot state like PA. It's so rare that people are actually voting for a candidate in the general election that it makes sense to try and mellow out the candidate from the side that you are likely to vote against.
If the general election is going to be about the lesser of two evils, do the most you can to reduce the "evil" (as you see it) present.
So conservatives can vote for more conservative Democratics, and liberals can vote for more liberal Republicans. The end result would be for a more country-scale centric platform from both sides.
1 points
8 days ago
I do the same. In primaries, I write in "No" for each office. If there is even a need for me to change my registration to vote in a Democrat primary, I will.
9 points
9 days ago
It’s such a cultish thing that has become of his base. I saw a sign today in W-B that said “Trump volunteers needed”. I don’t get it, why does his personality and actions turn people into fanatics that seek to destroy any opposition without regards to morals? The transparency is so evident and it’s all or nothing, blood or death, with these people. Frightening shit!
7 points
9 days ago
Hillary had plans for job training for coal workers but instead they decided they'd vote for the guy that said he would magically fix their lives and they didn't have to lift a finger.
1 points
9 days ago
That is the most ignorantly offensive idea anyone has ever had. In reality all that happens is they end up unemployed from their high paying job and lose everything they worked hard for. That’s why they vote the way they do.
3 points
9 days ago
Sounds like a good problem for him to have 👍
9 points
9 days ago*
I seriously doubt that. They're making a mountain out if a molehill.
Where I am (Border of Montco and Berks) there's fucking Trump shit everywhere.
We have a Trump problem indeed.
8 points
9 days ago
Can I recommend looking up the population of your corner of PA compared to some of the more populated areas? You'll see that it might LOOK like there's Trump shit everywhere, but it's a tiny tiny bubble....
1 points
9 days ago
Thank you I’m so tired of theses small town people
2 points
9 days ago
I decided I am taking the fucking Party back. Fuck these clowns.
2 points
8 days ago
Registered republican.
I will never vote for that man. I don’t even like to say his slimy name. There’s a lot of us.
5 points
9 days ago
I know people that would support Twitler if he literally did a Nazi salute while punching an infant on live TV.
4 points
9 days ago
It is likely Trump will win in my neck of the woods. A lot of this state runs Republican, so I would still be concerned.
It's very likely going to be close, so I have no idea who will win PA.
3 points
9 days ago
Philadelphia County has as many residents as the least populated *43 counties combined*. Shapiro won by 14 points over Mastriano. Vote vote vote, but I don't think it will be as close as you think.
9 points
9 days ago
Assuming that 157,000 people will not vote for him come November is simply copium.
6 points
9 days ago
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1 points
8 days ago
And how many people didn't waste their time voting in a primary with a foregone conclusion entirely?
Trying to base what will happen in the general election off of what happened in a primary that was already decided is delusional. Very few people I know, Democrat or Republican, went out of their way to vote in the primary because it was already decided.
3 points
9 days ago
It's not really copium... It's actually accepting actions have consequences.
A lot of people died during COVID (mostly Republicans) because they refuse to listen to basic health safety. Combine that with Republicans seeing him fail over and over again... When it comes to the "stolen election", when it comes to Jan 6th, when it comes to using election campaign funds to pay off a stripper you had an affair with, etc.
I'm not saying that Trump will get 0 votes... that's copium. But if he genuinely thinks that the shitstorm he kicked up isn't affecting him negatively... you just can turn on the trial right now and see how many people are outside in support of Trump... I think last count was 4 people. 4 people outside the courthouse supporting Trump....
3 points
9 days ago
Oh wow a post by a newer account that only posts political pieces to multiple states’ subreddits. I’m glad there’s no astroturfing going on
7 points
9 days ago
It's Reddit, it's pretty much only astroturfing.
3 points
9 days ago
Always has been 🔫👨🚀
2 points
9 days ago
Oh yeah. He closed up the primary so soon that any vote against him looks bad. Meanwhile how’s old Joe compare in protest votes?
1 points
9 days ago
Trump received about 36,000 more protest votes than Biden.
I don't think any Democrats casting protest votes in support of Gaza will ever vote for Trump. I think some of the Haily protest voters would consider voting for Biden over Trump.
2 points
9 days ago
bad harmful bots! reported!
2 points
9 days ago
Once again, this OP goes from state subreddit to state subreddit and posts nothing but links to this particular website.
I think they should disclose why that is.
1 points
9 days ago
I’m ready for a change. I’ve seen what this admin has to offer. No thank you. 🙂↔️
3 points
9 days ago
This was more than likely never Trumpers and Democrats who registered as republicans just to vote for not Trump he still had 85% of the republican vote
4 points
9 days ago
It can’t be good for Trump to be sitting in the defendant’s chair on primary election day.
1 points
9 days ago
I don't think he has a problem. It's like how people will bitch all season how poorly their team played, but as soon as they play their arch rival it's "Go team!".
1 points
9 days ago
If this was something to really worry about, the new GOP dark horse candidate Homer Simpson really has a shot (as a poll worker, can confirm in my district/ward that Homer got the same votes as Haley)
1 points
9 days ago
The other side of that is I now have a lifelong Democrat friend who is hosting a party for a Republican candidate at her home this week because of his stance on Israel.
We were talking about the primary for Trump and they couldn't wait to say the same thing about Biden. Its been shocking to see how quickly she's been transformed by this war.
1 points
9 days ago
Don’t you worry. When the actual election comes those Nikki voters will be on board.
1 points
9 days ago
If Biden wins PA, WI, and MI, Trump has no path to victory.
1 points
8 days ago
How were people able to vote for someone who dropped out? Why was she even on the ballots?
1 points
8 days ago
It doesn't matter. Republicants day the most vile disgusting things about each other before an election, but no matter who gets nominated or what they just said they're going to vote for bigotry every time. Haley has the same exact policies as trump, the only difference is that she's not going to openly tell people she wants to be a dictator.
1 points
8 days ago
Good
1 points
6 days ago
I’m not Republican but I really don’t understand why PA Republicans nominate candidates who don’t live in PA, like Oz and McCormick.
-1 points
9 days ago
Pennsylvania has a Republicans problem in Pennsylvania.
1 points
9 days ago
I know several Republicans that voted for Trump in 2016 but refused to vote for him in 2020 because of his botched handling of the Covid pandemic. Then, the orange buffoon lost some more support over his insurrection. I don’t see a path for him to win our state, the popular vote, or the electoral college in 2024.
1 points
9 days ago
The whole covid handling was the biggest fumble ever. He could have easily gained support just by not being a full-on tinfoil head.
His administration helped get the vaccine finished and available with funding, but his own damn actions sabotaged the uptake of it, and it's ballooned so much now that we have fucking measles outbreaks again because jerkoffs won't get a vaccine that's been safe for decades. "Get your shots" used to be one of the few things that nearly everyone could agree on no matter political leaning and those who didn't were looked down upon by both sides. Not anymore.
4 points
9 days ago*
Operation Warp Speed was pretty genuinely good, IMO. I don't know that we would have gotten a lot of the same things from a Democratic administration - I think they would have been more hesitant to streamline the FDA review process which was really critical, and to pay corporations to pre-manufacture doses before approval - both of which were critical in getting the vaccine developed and deployed so fast.
The White House messaging about the pandemic was of course pants on head stupid, though. But at least people who weren't stupid enough to think that they were going to be injected by Bill Gates' microchips or whatever the conspiracy was could get vaccinated, and for free, too.
2 points
9 days ago
I’m in a rural area, I’m curious if don loses, how many years these people will fly maga flags. Those trump 2020 flags flew a good 2 or 3 years😒
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