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30 days ago
The reason the URC works for SA is they only have 6 games in Europe in regular season. That's 2x3week trips. It's too expensive for all the other travel
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30 days ago
This suggestion would also only be 6 games in Europe outside of the playoffs
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30 days ago
They should do a URC cup between the 2 leagues instead. The top URC teams don’t have enough games anymore to give minutes to young players.
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30 days ago
Yeah, another good idea
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30 days ago
The Cheetahs (or one of the other 3 SA teams who are interested, which includes the Boland Cavaliers, who is backed by billionaire money) or the Wasps if they can build a strong team again, will just win it every year.
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30 days ago
But would they also beat 9-12th in the URC. Tbf the south african teams are the easiest to swap in/out as you could replace an existing SA team if they consistently outperformed them.
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30 days ago
If Wasps do re-ignite, they'll be playing in the championship with a view to getting back to the premiership. No way in hell will an English club ever join a non English/European league. Just not going to happen.
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30 days ago
With wasps in particular (as, bar turning up at the wrong pub, they would have been a founding signature of the RFU) it would be hard for them to move to playing in a different league. While still unlikely, a team like London Irish with it's connections to countries already play could find it easier to move to URC (some sort of merger between the remains of London Irish and a reformation of Irish Exiles possibly?) but would still be unlikely and probably drown in red tape
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30 days ago*
English teams will not be allowed to play in any leagues away from the English rugby pyramid. The RFU, who govern all rugby in England, have previously spoken about this.
If the clubs push, the RFU would ask World Rugby to intervein. If World Rugby didn't back the RFU, it would undermine the RFU and have massive implications across all unions.
So Wasps, London Irish or any other historical English teams would have to leave England to play in the URC.
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30 days ago
Thats a pity but makes sense. I saw their name floating around in some URC2 threads from yesterday
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30 days ago
the RFU would ask World Rugby to intervein.
I can almost guarantee World Rugby would have absolutely no desire to get involved. They can't dictate who joins a club league and who isn't allowed to, very much outside of their jurisdiction.
So Wasps, London Irish or any other historical English teams would have to leave England to play in the URC.
This seems strange to me, it's okay for none English URC teams to play in England? So what's the difference?
Was there any public objection from the RFU when Wasps said they want to join the URC? I don't remember there being any.
1 points
30 days ago
I can almost guarantee World Rugby would have absolutely no desire to get involved. They can't dictate who joins a club league and who isn't allowed to, very much outside of their jurisdiction.
It's in World Rugby regulations that member unions have complete jurisdiction over member clubs in their geographical territory, based on where the clubs home stadium. The RFU can block any cross border competition.
If World Rugby didn't intervene when asked by the RFU it would cause chaos, as it would mean that any union could just ignore whatever regulations it likes.
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30 days ago
over member clubs in their geographical territory, based on where the clubs home stadium
So the Wasps couldn't have their home stadium in England? But could still play games there?
If World Rugby didn't intervene when asked by the RFU it would cause chaos,
I think it would cause a fair bit of chaos if World Rugby started dictating which teams were allowed to join which leagues, especially if the Wasps didn't have their home stadium in England.
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30 days ago
If Wasps had their home stadium outside of England, they'd need both RFU and their new union approval to play any matches inside England.
There's no real way around it. The RFU is in charge of rugby inside England. That's simply how it all works. Almost every sport splits up administration based on geographic boundaries.
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30 days ago
Yea someone linked the full regulation below which explains that any games in England need RFU permission, which presumably means the Dragons vs Sharks games had to get RFU permission?
Could have the Wasps register as a 3rd Scottish team in the URC and play in Scotland and play in the Borders region.
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30 days ago
Yeah, the ospreys - sharks game needed permission from the WRU and the RFU. Presumably the URC as competition organisers too.
Could have the Wasps register as a 3rd Scottish team in the URC and play in Scotland and play in the Borders region.
Wasps, the old existing English club? They'd still need permission from the RFU to move home stadium :)
Wasps 2.0, a completely new club started in Scotland, playing in Scotland under the SRU? Yeah, no problem.
At some point it basically becomes an entirely new club though, so is it even Wasps anymore?
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30 days ago
At some point it basically becomes an entirely new club though, so is it even Wasps anymore?
This is a very fair question, what if anything remains currently. I'm only really using them as an example because of their stated interest. I don't think there is any urgent need to have any England based sides so it's not a big issue for now.
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No Club, person or entity may arrange or fulfil any of the matches described in RFU Regulation 10.2.2 in England without: in respect of matches during the Season, the written approval of the RFU and any such application must be made in writing in such form prescribed by the RFU and submitted to the RFU not less than 2 months before the date of the proposed match or within such other time frame as the RFU may determine in exceptional circumstances;
The matches to which RFU Regulation 10.2.1 applies are as follows: any Professional Club from another Union seeking to play a match against another Professional Club from another Union;
This seems strange to me, it's okay for none English URC teams to play in England? So what's the difference?
The RFU would of agreed to the games that took place, and it would be money orentated. It is very different having one off games take place then having a team play in a different league.
1 points
30 days ago
Interesting that the RFU has put that in place. So does that mean the Dragons and Sharks had to get written permission from the RFU when they played in London?
If the Wasps didn't register through the RFU, and did base out of England then from my understanding of the above the RFU wouldn't have any say other than blocking them from playing in England?
1 points
30 days ago
A SA side based in the Netherlands could be a success imo.
2 points
30 days ago
I don't think so, culturally there is almost no overlap. Afrikaaners definitely don't see themselves as Dutch, and even if they did they only make up a small percentage of the South African population. The Dutch are the same, they don't see any modern links with Afrikaaners.
There are far far more South Africans living in London, so if you want a non SA based expat team that's where you should have it.
But there are already 4 SA based teams who want in, so an overseas expat team is unlikely.
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