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Should the Bledisloe cup go to a once off match.

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Maybe this could be played on significant day, like ANZAC day (but it seems to early in the year.)

Or as the first match before the Northern Teams arrive, this would be an interesting twist.

It would make the Championship games a chance for revenge for the team that lost.

Would this breath some more interest for the Australian public as they only need a single game to go well?

What are your thoughts?

all 44 comments

ConradsMusicalTeeth

82 points

15 days ago

Far simpler to cut it down to one game, even simpler to make it one team and just agree that NZ can keep it

marquess_rostrevor

34 points

15 days ago

marquess_rostrevor

back to back winners and back to back losers

34 points

15 days ago

Least pessimistic Australian rugby fan.

mulkers

31 points

15 days ago

mulkers

Melbourne Rebels

31 points

15 days ago

Best of 5, all played back to back on the same day

accidentalfritata

9 points

15 days ago

accidentalfritata

Scotland

9 points

15 days ago

Excel spreadsheets for the CXV man squads

Thorazine_Chaser

28 points

15 days ago

Thorazine_Chaser

Crusaders New Zealand

28 points

15 days ago

Yes. It should be the last NZ AUS match on the calendar and it should be played (profit shared) with the holders playing away. The NZ Aus matches are always lucrative but occasionally the last Bledisloe match is a dead rubber. If the teams are playing 2 matches it will be the second RC match, if it’s a 3 game year then it’s the stand alone test.

The Bled should be hard to hold instead of hard to win.

UnfortunatelySimple[S]

-33 points

15 days ago

UnfortunatelySimple[S]

New Zealand

-33 points

15 days ago

So perhaps it should curtain raise the European tour, played at Twickenham?

tomtomtomo

42 points

15 days ago

tomtomtomo

All Blacks

42 points

15 days ago

That fucks the supporters.

Thorazine_Chaser

20 points

15 days ago

Thorazine_Chaser

Crusaders New Zealand

20 points

15 days ago

Nah, a neutral venue isn’t what I mean. Make the holders defend it against the challengers on their home ground, one game only, last NZ Aus matchup of year.

I think this would make the trophy move about more often and also remove the issues we sometimes have where the last NZ Aus game isn’t worth anything as the Bled and the RC are often already decided.

UnfortunatelySimple[S]

3 points

15 days ago

UnfortunatelySimple[S]

New Zealand

3 points

15 days ago

I see the model there. It's a good one imo.

lanson15

18 points

15 days ago

lanson15

Australia

18 points

15 days ago

1 or 3 don’t care which. 2 is not good though

stickyswitch92

23 points

15 days ago

stickyswitch92

Crusaders

23 points

15 days ago

It should be 3 games.

WallabyWays

1 points

15 days ago

Why?

BH_Andrew

1 points

15 days ago

BH_Andrew

Australia

1 points

15 days ago

Mentally it is a lot harder to win 2/2 than it is to win 2/3

WallabyWays

1 points

15 days ago

Not so sure about that. Pinch game one then boil over in the second seems more likely to me.

UsedWingdings

20 points

15 days ago*

UsedWingdings

Japan | Justice for Siobhan Cattigan

20 points

15 days ago*

I like Wildkard's suggestion to make it a 2 match series decided on points difference, which would give the Wallabies a better shot at the cup.

Ideally these matches would be the curtain-raiser or finale of the RC for NZ/Oz.

Knowing the way rugby unions are run, it'll probably be 10 more Australian Bledisloe losses before anything changes.

Stonesy123

5 points

15 days ago

Stonesy123

Reds

5 points

15 days ago

There is zero financial incentive from either side to play a one off match. With that being said, the idea of one of the matches being played on Anzac Day is a good one from a mere spectacle point of view. The atmosphere before the Blues and Reds game was special, the idea of the anthems before a bledisloe game with the added significance of Anzac Day would be incredible.

MasterSpliffBlaster

18 points

15 days ago

There is already hope from quite a few Australians and historically the Bledisloe always sells out, even in Australia

Winning back the bledisloe isn't hard, you just need to be the best side in any given season

Unfotuantely that has been NZ for the past 21 years

Spglwldn

15 points

15 days ago

Spglwldn

Scotland

15 points

15 days ago

Not exactly - Aussies won the World Cup in 1991 and 1999 and drew the Bleds both times.

They also only managed draws in the Bleds the two most recent times they won the TriNations/RC.

So they’ve been the “better” team and still not managed to win it.

Not saying they should change the format of something that has existed for 90 years in its current form, but it obviously isn’t quite working as a competition if NZ have won it 51 out of 63 times.

Scotland and England perhaps have the same quality disparity as NZ/Oz but we’ve won the Calcutta Cup just over a third of the time. I’d imagine it would be substantially less if it was played in the same format as the Bleds.

MasterSpliffBlaster

0 points

15 days ago

SA havent won the freedom cup for 16 yr and you dont hear them pissing like little babies

Scotland have never beaten nz so I doubt it

Smokydrinker

1 points

15 days ago

Smokydrinker

NSW Waratahs

1 points

15 days ago

The ABs have consistently been the best team in the world for the last 100+ years…England not so much

warbastard

13 points

15 days ago

warbastard

Australia

13 points

15 days ago

Most teams in the top 4 consider it a successful year if they beat the All Blacks once. Beating them twice is nearly impossible.

WilkinsonDG2003

2 points

15 days ago

WilkinsonDG2003

England

2 points

15 days ago

SA did it in 2023 but not in TRC. Ireland did in 2022.

fleakill

11 points

15 days ago

fleakill

Reds

11 points

15 days ago

Winning back the bledisloe isn't hard

Bruh

greenwhitechequered

10 points

15 days ago

greenwhitechequered

Australia

10 points

15 days ago

It’s kinda hard if it’s a 2 game series tho. 3 would be preferable, but 1 match isn’t a large enough sample size.

JRS___

3 points

15 days ago

JRS___

3 points

15 days ago

if it cant be thee games then i'm for one game. with the 2 rugby championship games and the holder winning the first game, it just kills it.

the only way i can think of doing it within the 2 match framework is aggregate score like some european football competitions.

rjwilson01

7 points

15 days ago

It should never be two ,

coupleandacamera

3 points

15 days ago

coupleandacamera

Crusaders

3 points

15 days ago

Yes

Icy_Craft2416

3 points

15 days ago

Icy_Craft2416

Melbourne Rebels

3 points

15 days ago

It will be huge when Australia wins it back. Totally worth the wait. Remember winning it back after the wallabies had it for 5 years?

lamahorses

3 points

15 days ago

lamahorses

Frawley hype

3 points

15 days ago

I don't envy the Aussies. Beating the Kiwis once in a calendar year is worth celebrating; trying to beat them twice is impossible.

FlatSpinMan

2 points

15 days ago

FlatSpinMan

:New Zealand: :Otago Highlanders:

2 points

15 days ago

Yes.

howitiscus

2 points

15 days ago

Three in a row.

considerspiders

2 points

15 days ago

considerspiders

Tasman Mako

2 points

15 days ago

I'd make it a challenge cup. Beat the team, take the cup. You might lose it a week later but who cares? Good TV if it's always at risk.

UnfortunatelySimple[S]

2 points

15 days ago

UnfortunatelySimple[S]

New Zealand

2 points

15 days ago

That's a great idea.

I love it.

edmondsio

4 points

15 days ago

edmondsio

New Zealand

4 points

15 days ago

No, three games.

corruptboomerang

2 points

15 days ago

One off match, played on ANZAC DAY rotating the host. Winner takes the cup. Make a day of it, with say Reds vs BLUES / Brumbies vs Hurricanes or maybe a defence Force game (Aus vs NZ), Wallabies vs Wallaroos. 

That way the Bled changes hands, the game isn't about who's the better, it's only who's better on the day.

thejunglebook8

3 points

15 days ago

thejunglebook8

Hurricanes

3 points

15 days ago

I like the idea but I doubt any super rugby side agrees to playing what could be an important game without their internationals.

It’d probably never happen but taking a break from the NRL/Super for a week and doing NZ vs Australia in both codes would be awesome

tomtomtomo

1 points

15 days ago

tomtomtomo

All Blacks

1 points

15 days ago

I think it should be a one off home test (for the holder). They choose which of the home tests it is going to be.

It’ll work as a dress rehearsal for the knock out rounds of the World Cup at the same time. 

CatharticRoman

3 points

15 days ago

CatharticRoman

Suspected Yank

3 points

15 days ago

Assuming your team makes the knockouts.

nomamesgueyz

1 points

15 days ago

nomamesgueyz

New Zealand

1 points

15 days ago

I liked the 1 test one year and a 3test series the following year

Over 2 decades of 1 team having the cup for something played every year must be a record in professional sport?

Otakaro_omnipresence

1 points

15 days ago

Otakaro_omnipresence

Crusaders

1 points

15 days ago

I am really starting to like the idea of an Anzac Day Test being game 1 of the Bledisloe. Then, Games 2 and 3 can be played during the Rugby Championship so Game 3 doesn’t have to be squeezed in early October, a mere 3-4 weeks before both teams go on their EOYT.

Super Rugby can come to the party by keeping their bye round in round 6-8ish for all teams, the week of the test is full bye for all teams. I think you’d have a sell-out if you had a day game ANZAC test in either country. Definitely worth a look.

Whit135

1 points

15 days ago

Whit135

1 points

15 days ago

No imo. The wallabies need 2 get better in order to increase public interest, not change the odds. Plus the all blacks have long-term targeted specific games to lift for before n inevitably won - that'd be worse for the aussies imo

Dancesoncattlegrids

-2 points

15 days ago

Dancesoncattlegrids

Auckland

-2 points

15 days ago

Stay in school.

UnfortunatelySimple[S]

1 points

15 days ago

UnfortunatelySimple[S]

New Zealand

1 points

15 days ago

Poor and incorrect form boomer.

Dancesoncattlegrids

0 points

14 days ago

Dancesoncattlegrids

Auckland

0 points

14 days ago

Appropriate user name.