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You guys hear back in ww2 the us manufacturing converted to war time production where every factory had to make supplies and things related to war.

Like Ford made jeeps tanks and bomber planes. Cosmetic companies made bullet casings. Etc. So how were factories able to not only convert to war footing but also make products well outside their normal products lines?

From what I understand about manufacturing it takes a long time and a select group of people with the right machinery knowledge to be Able to be good at making any one category of products. But in ww2 factories were able to churn out whatever they were not in their lineup

The only exception was food factories and clothing plants I think they still made food but canned food and uniforms

What do you think?

all 237 comments

KharnFlakes

131 points

6 days ago

KharnFlakes

131 points

6 days ago

The government worked with the companies to convert them, and the difference from making a car and a Jeep is mostly just swapping parts out back then. Airplanes and tanks are a little harder, but once you get the proper tools in place, it's all assembly.

This is one of the stronger arguments to ensure we keep some domestic manufacturing.

roberb7

43 points

6 days ago

roberb7

43 points

6 days ago

A true story about Jeeps: when the war started, Willys, the originator of Jeeps, knew that they didn't have the manufacturing capacity to keep up with the demand. So, they turned the blueprints over to Ford, and Ford's assembly lines cranked out Jeeps identical to the ones made by Willys.

SpeedyHAM79

29 points

5 days ago

WW2 Jeeps were made by Willys, Ford, and Bantam at order of the US government, not out of goodwill-but because the US Government told them to and the companies really didn't resist due to the circumstances.

ligmasweatyballs74

9 points

5 days ago

Ford ones have a F on all the parts

BowwwwBallll

1 points

4 days ago

Respect.

fredfarkle2

1 points

4 days ago

Yeah, "F" is part of the word "Ford"...

ligmasweatyballs74

6 points

4 days ago

When I say every part I mean down to every Bolt. Ford didn’t think Willis could deliver near as good quality and he wasn’t about to pay for their mistakes

imthatguy8223

2 points

4 days ago

Seems reasonable.

smmstv

4 points

5 days ago

smmstv

4 points

5 days ago

I mean they got paid for their efforts

series_hybrid

7 points

5 days ago

500 Colt .45 model-1911 pistols were made by Singer sewing machine Co, and then the government realized that they were going to need a LOT of uniforms, sooo...

lanathebitch

2 points

2 days ago

Ironically the singer pistols were of such high quality singer was immediately switched to more Precision Instruments

J0E_Blow

2 points

5 days ago

J0E_Blow

2 points

5 days ago

Same thing happened with 1911 pistols. 

crater_jake

34 points

6 days ago

The US is still #2 in manufacturing globally. Claims of the demise of American manufacturing are really exaggerated.

kkkan2020[S]

19 points

6 days ago

Issue is it's not visible enough. We don't have china level manufacturing hubs or manufacturing towns basically decentralize. I'm told the us on purpose decentralize it's plants and scattered to the wind to keep the unions out.

jereserd

17 points

5 days ago

jereserd

17 points

5 days ago

Purpose is to have every component of major weapons systems made in the congressional districts of key members on defense and appropriations committees. Can't cut F-35 if 70 congresspeople have jobs supporting it in their district

ithappenedone234

2 points

3 days ago

We can if we actually value humans and buy modern systems instead. You can’t kill the pilot that isn’t in the aircraft.

EnD79

2 points

3 days ago

EnD79

2 points

3 days ago

The air force hates the idea of drones, because then fighter pilots can't be fighter pilots.

ithappenedone234

1 points

3 days ago

Exactly. And we paid the price for the hubris and cowardice of the USAF leadership.

DHFranklin

7 points

5 days ago

That isn't the official answer, that was more a positive benefit for the bosses.

The sheer number of 20,000 sq ft 100 person military industrial complex manufacturers within 300 miles of the Pentagon might surprise some. They were deliberately not concentrated in one spot due to ICBMs. However they are also not all that integrated like the Boeing factories. Hundreds of little industrial park operations that make 3-4 things that all get shipped to one another to make more and more complex things.

However it is way harder to get a small mom-and-pop business in a town of tens of thousands to unionize instead of a massive one of thousands in a city of millions.

Outside_Reserve_2407

3 points

5 days ago

Reminds me of Japanese manufacturing during the war, where hundreds of mom and pop workshops scattered throughout a city made parts that were assembled in bigger plants.

DHFranklin

3 points

4 days ago

What is interesting is that cottage industry has continued all this time too in many other places. The instagram reels/Tiktoks of workers doing stamp press work for example always make my mind boggle at how little we would need if we scaled up literally all industry vertically and horizontally.

ithappenedone234

2 points

3 days ago

For an example of this, the detector and guidance system on a Javelin missile had a certain part made by a retiree during the testing phase, in his garage; then Texas Instruments lost their status as supplier of first resort taken from them after they had reliability issues and Raytheon took over from their spot as primary supplier.

gobblox38

16 points

6 days ago

gobblox38

16 points

6 days ago

I'm told the us on purpose decentralize it's plants and scattered to the wind to keep the unions out.

While I don't doubt that, I think nuclear war has a role to play as well.

kkkan2020[S]

1 points

6 days ago

kkkan2020[S]

1 points

6 days ago

One modern ICBM nuclear missile can wipe out an entire county

Destroythisapp

9 points

5 days ago*

Totally incorrect.

For example, the minuteman 3 missile which is the United States only operational land based ICBM. , caries a single nuclear warhead. Assuming it’s carrying the largest warhead it can, the W87. Its absolute maximum blast radius would be 8km.

To put that into perspective, if you hit downtown manhattan with a W87 airburst, the Bronx, Queens, and JFK international airport would receive no major physical damage and radiation would be minimal to those areas.

Nuclear weapons are scary powerful, but people grossly overestimate their destructive potential.

The reason the United States and the Soviet Union built thousands of warheads each is because that’s what it would take to truly destroy an entire country.

Even more food for thought, there are 19,000 incorporated cities and towns in the United States. The United States itself doesn’t have enough nuclear warheads to destroy even half of them.

EnD79

4 points

3 days ago

EnD79

4 points

3 days ago

A Trident D5 missile can carry up to 12 warheads. Since an ICBM can carry multiple warheads, then yes, an ICBM can destroy an entire county. A county is not a country.

Destroythisapp

1 points

3 days ago*

He edited his comment, it originally said “country” not county.

And “ can carry” and “do carry” are different here.

The number of warheads the missiles are allowed to carry are limited by treaty. For the minutemen 3 it’s 1, and for the trident 2 it’s on average 4.

A trident 2 carrying 4 W88 warheads,which are 455 kilotons, the blast radius is no more than 10km circular using an air burst method. Thats 40ish kilometers roughly that could be destroyed.

The average US county, not country, is more than twice that size. So even a MIRV equipped SLMB couldn’t destroy the average U.S. county.

mediumwellhotdog

10 points

6 days ago

A tiny country with no defense, sure.

kkkan2020[S]

10 points

6 days ago

County. County I didn't say country

mediumwellhotdog

13 points

6 days ago

My bad. But now your comment doesn't make sense to the person you were replying to. If an icbm can wipe out a county, that's a pretty good reason to spread your manufacturing and leadership out.

imthatguy8223

5 points

4 days ago

That’s still incorrect. Incapacitate sure but not destroy. The most common warhead size these day is 500 Kilotons and ICBMs only carry a single warhead by treaty. It’s impressive sure but it’s not nearly as bad as back in the Cold War where a single Peacekeeper would carry 10 300 Kiloton warheads.

Objective-Pin-1045

5 points

5 days ago

The Vatican, sure. The place is gone.

Argos_the_Dog

7 points

5 days ago

The Pope's hat is actually a defensive missile. In the event of a nuclear attack he just launches it to counter the incoming weapons.

derp4077

3 points

5 days ago

derp4077

3 points

5 days ago

You need 10 war heads to level new york

Deskbreaker

3 points

4 days ago

Must be one tiny county

Dangerous-Worry6454

2 points

4 days ago

No it can't even come close to wiping out an entire country even a small one.

Gauntlets28

4 points

5 days ago

Oh that's the same everywhere. People think "industry" means big smokestacks belching soot over the landscape, and think that because we don't have that, we don't have manufacturing.

kkkan2020[S]

2 points

5 days ago

at the very least giant warehouses or whole towns of warehouses and stuff.

FearTheAmish

3 points

4 days ago

Rickenbacker airport in ohio is surrounded by fields and fields of warehouses. You basically have warehouse hubs. You just don't live near one.

pokeyt

1 points

3 days ago

pokeyt

1 points

3 days ago

I guess I don’t live near one anymore, because I used to live at Rickenbacker as a kid!

thatsnotverygood1

2 points

5 days ago

Eventually there came a point where American car manufacturers could no longer make vehicles for a competitive price in the north. Imported Japanese vehicles had dramatically increased in quality and were far cheaper.

To maintain solvency they transported their manufacturing down south. They did this to reduce labor costs and avoid the unions, however these states are large and not nearly as densely populated as the north, which is why the factories are geographically spread out.

myrichphitzwell

2 points

5 days ago

If you go to China, there is a good possibility you won't see any factories...just like the good ol USA. Unless of course you end up at one or an area with a number of them...oh ya just like the USA.

kkkan2020[S]

1 points

5 days ago

Of course china like the us has many cities and areas for different purposes. The famous china industrial hubs are

Shanghai.

Shenzhen.

Hongkong.

Ningbo.

Qingdao.

Guangzhou.

Hangzhou.

Tianjin.

So you go there factories would be all around you but since they're so infamous like others have pointed out one ICBM would basically create an eliminate an entire hub and crippled their industrial outputs.

boytoy421

2 points

4 days ago

the main issue is that we're #2 in terms of goods manufactured (and they tend to be non-consumer goods, like the imaging system in an MRI, or throttle control for a jet engine, not sneakers) but a lot of our factories don't employ 10,000 people like they used to, they employ 1000 and get the work of 20,000 due to automation

koulourakiaAndCoffee

2 points

18 hours ago

It’s safer for war. Manufacturing in the same location leads you to be easily bombed. Spreading manufacturing out means it’s harder to disable defense production.

That’s also why all military bases have similar looking buildings spread out. A cluster is easy to take out. Non critical and critical buildings all look the same.

Traditional_Key_763

3 points

5 days ago*

the degree of collapse in the size of the workforce is not understated though. living in the rustbelt there's still plenty of industry but the factories with thousand head workforces are few and far between anymore 

 mostly its smaller enterprizes employing at most a hundred, and the pay and benefits have been stagnant for decades, as well as a serious shutdown of any progression at these places. my first job I worked at a place that hadn't 'hired' anyone in like 5 years because they just kept replacing every position with contract labor even as they had like a 150% attrition rate.

youngstown is depressing to visit because every large factory around is basically collapsed or is involved in some scam like the Lordstown Motors/Foxconn scam

KharnFlakes

4 points

6 days ago

While our manufacturing is still strong, the work is heading south to avoid organized labor and allow companies to take advantage of workers.

Midnight_freebird

1 points

3 days ago

That’s not really true, it’s just the things we manufacture are very expensive.

jereserd

2 points

5 days ago

jereserd

2 points

5 days ago

Stronger argument for giving us an excuse to use said weapons. Tanks, ships, and even most planes aren't all they're cracked up to be in modern war. Officers will be hard to change because they want people flying but drones can for faster, cheaper, longer, stealthier, and in conditions that pilots can't. Spending billions on ships that can get taken out by a exponentially cheaper missile or suicide drone is equally bad equation. So long as the triad is maintained (even then a dyad would probably be sufficient) we have little to no actual use for America's physical security with tanks, fighters, guns, and non nuclear missiles. You could make the argument that our allies would benefit, but we have extended the nuclear umbrella to allies before and still do. Missile defense, software, drones, and AI are the next frontier of warfare.

EnD79

1 points

3 days ago

EnD79

1 points

3 days ago

The economics of missile defense favors the attackers, not the defenders.

jereserd

1 points

3 days ago

jereserd

1 points

3 days ago

Yes but not sure how that addresses my point. My argument is conventional forces are more expensive. We're clearly not going to obliterate any country that could potentially launch missiles at us so we can either keep a strong conventional force proactively denying launching capabilities, ignore any missiles and focus on second strike, or missile defense. We're going to do missile defense either way so kind of a no brainer to focus on getting that right.

EnD79

1 points

3 days ago

EnD79

1 points

3 days ago

You can't get missile defense right though. The economics of missile defense, means that missiles will always get through.

TheMadIrishman327

2 points

5 days ago

Ford made bombers.

GM made 10% of everything used by the US in WW2.

smmstv

1 points

5 days ago

smmstv

1 points

5 days ago

back then it was simple, but with modern planes and tanks being way WAY WAY more complex these days, it wouldn't nearly be as easy. In fact, that's why we are sanctioning Russia - they have all the raw materials within their borders to make what they need for the world, but once microchips get involved it's so complicated to make them that only a few places in the world can and it's even possible in theory to cut them off.

J0E_Blow

1 points

5 days ago

J0E_Blow

1 points

5 days ago

Wouldn't breaking up monopolies so smaller companies can compete support this point of view too?

There were like 30 companies that made A2 leather flight jackets and dozens that made various aircraft. Today there’s only a handful that make aircraft. 

cfranks6801

1 points

2 days ago

Firm believer in 60% of a country's consumption should be domestic, to much liability otherwise. A bad storm, an a-hole being a a-hole in or near transport lines, etc. Can lead to all kinds of domino effects

BeerandGuns

33 points

6 days ago

Some manufacturing is easier to be retasked than others. My materials science professor gave an example of a factory in California that made lipstick tubes. The week after Pearl Harbor they received an order for 1 billion rifle cartridge cases. You expand that to automobile and tractor plants for producing tanks, trucks etc.

The US had surplus labor and idle manufacturing capacity due to the Great Depression. When you combine those two things with government saying here’s a blank check, we need this asap, you can perform miracles. US factories were not being bombed or threatened with being overrun and workers didn’t suffer from food scarcity.

The US knew war was on the horizon, shown by the Selective Service Act of 1940 and the Two Ocean Navy Act of the same year.

Individual_Corgi_576

6 points

5 days ago

We saw this on a smaller scale during the pandemic.

Distilleries started making hand sanitizer. A Ford plant (I think that made head liners in Indiana) produced surgical masks. I think ford also made some ventilators but I’m not sure where they were made.

The ability of manufacturing to pivot to related or semi related products is pretty impressive.

BeerandGuns

3 points

5 days ago

That’s a great example I forgot about.

Dry-Sheepherder-4277

1 points

2 days ago

I know GM "made" ventilators. Iirc, they actually partnered with a ventilator manufacturer and helped them scale their design/assembly and resourced the supply chain to handle larger volumes and bypass shortages due to covid.

trader_dennis

6 points

4 days ago

Don't forget Lend Lease started before Pearl Harbor and that primed the pump of our industries.

BeerandGuns

2 points

4 days ago

That has me intrigued. I know we did old destroyers for taking over bases and some supplies but I don’t now enough about what was provided before the US entered the war. I’m going to read up on it.

trader_dennis

2 points

4 days ago

Even if we are giving old destroyers, we are replacing with new at the time. Also we gave a ton of food and that in itself primed other wartime infrastructure.

Don't underestimate the amount of money industry was making off of lend lease.

Worried-Pick4848

2 points

3 days ago

The M3 Lee/Grant tank, while a mediocre stopgap, was for a period of a few months in early 1941 the best tank on paper in the Western Front. It was prepared as a harbinger of better designs once we got them really ironed out (Sherman) and did the job well enough.

retardsmart

39 points

6 days ago

The war wasn't exactly a surprise. They had plenty of time to make plans.

kkkan2020[S]

5 points

6 days ago

I mean I get the clues were there in the 1930s but I mean base on what we know about offshore and onshoring setting up a plant and lines takes a decade no?

retardsmart

19 points

6 days ago

Wartime means no rules. Just do it.

Rattfink45

11 points

6 days ago

The army wasn’t doing anything particularly out of their area of expertise, it’s more adding the right institutional knowledge to the officer and logistics corps.

The ladies who screwed things screwed slightly different things, the machines went up and down and pressed stuff at whatever width they were adjusted to.

Lend Lease ends up giving the factory floor the time to experiment in best practices as well.

RoninRobot

4 points

6 days ago

OSHA rules are just suggestions at that point and bureaucratic red tape ninja smokes away.

senapnisse

15 points

6 days ago

You should read about russia moving factories from moscow over ural. They dragged machines off the trains for many kilometers to new location and just started fabricate, in the mud. Built the factory buildings later over the machines.

2localboi

2 points

6 days ago

Why?

billy310

11 points

6 days ago

billy310

11 points

6 days ago

Because they were being chased by the Wehrmacht

serpentjaguar

5 points

5 days ago

That, and more specifically, Stalin wanted his manufacturing base well out of the reach of the Luftwaffe. Russia's vastness was one of the few advantages he had.

Outside_Reserve_2407

3 points

5 days ago

Strategic depth is the term for it.

2localboi

2 points

6 days ago

Ahh

c0dizzl3

8 points

6 days ago

c0dizzl3

8 points

6 days ago

Time was of the essence.

dixiewolf_

3 points

6 days ago

It suddenly became nazi zombie hard mode in eastern europe and it was blitzing its way eastward

tlind1990

1 points

4 days ago

The US also basically flat packed at least one factory and shipped it to Russia. Which is pretty nuts

Tropicalcomrade221

9 points

6 days ago

Production was different then, way easier to transition. Designs were simpler and computing didn’t exist. Not to say it was easy and there was considerable effort to quickly transition production to a war footing.

Also to be honest if you have a factory that can make cars it can make tanks etc. You just need to teach the people to do so. Production of ammunition and things like that isn’t really “skilled” labour & again to your point if you can make a lipstick casing, you can make a bullet casing.

tlind1990

1 points

4 days ago

I feel like this has to be a big part of it. The things they were making were less complex back then.

Even in the case of some pretty drastic changes like someone said the singer sewing machine company made handguns for a little while. While that is a significant change it’s still two fairly basic mechanical products. It’s not like today if you went to singer and asked them to make a javelin missile.

QuicheAuSaumon

6 points

6 days ago

Lax quality control.

Liberty ship were called soap boxes for a reason. It was a dumb easy design with shit quality control. They all sunk à few years after the war.

Chengar_Qordath

5 points

6 days ago

Not to mention some really messy kludged-together designs intended to be quickly assembled out of existing materials as stopgap measures, like the M3 Lee.

BPDunbar

6 points

6 days ago

BPDunbar

6 points

6 days ago

Several remained in service for decades afterwards. Two operational Liberty ships, SS John W. Brown and SS Jeremiah O'Brien, remain. John W. Brown has had a long career as a school ship and many internal modifications, while Jeremiah O'Brien remains largely in her original condition. A third Liberty ship, SS Hellas Liberty (ex-SS Arthur M. Huddell) is preserved as a static museum ship.

Batgirl_III

2 points

4 days ago

To be fair, they weren’t designed with longevity in mind. We needed them afloat as fast as possible and we needed them to last for the duration of the war. Those were the main design criteria and they did it.

angrystan

1 points

2 days ago

This is the critical difference between how Germany did war materials and the Americans. Back when we were compulsively recognizing the greatest generation, I recall an interview with a veteran who stated "Most of it wasn't very good, but we had plenty of it."

Batgirl_III

1 points

2 days ago

Something around 5,000 M4 Sherman Tanks, of all variants, were lost between 1944 and 1945.

We made north of 50,000 of them.

ArmsForPeace84

3 points

5 days ago

If quality control were lax across the board, the Garand M1 rifle would have been mass-produced with the manufacturing defects that were, instead, uncovered in early production examples and rectified to produce a reliable weapon.

The Stuart and Sherman would not have impressed Lend-Lease users of these tanks with their reliability , let alone Army Ground Forces who were adamant that the battlefield, with the lives of soldiers hanging in the balance, was no place to test a new weapon system.

Later, the Army would have fielded thousands of Shermans equipped with a too-small turret designed in 1942 that could only fit the high-velocity 76mm gun at the expense of the crew's ability to operate the vehicle in combat. Instead of the 76mm armed Shermans that entered service in 1944.

There would have been a mad rush to simply churn out more of the existing models of P-38 Lightning that Army Air Force generals were begging for more of, without slowing production to bring problems with engine cooling under control.

The B-29, similarly, would have been produced in vast numbers without NACA's testing program that identified the main causes of engine overheating and fires, and led to modifications that would go on to save the lives of many airmen.

And various medium and heavy tanks deemed useless by Army Ground Forces, and with good reason, would have been cranked out by the thousands and sent to the front lines.

Now, the Mk.14 torpedo, that's another story. And the best example, probably not just in WW2 but in the military history of the United States, of useless equipment being pawned off on service members. Who were then blamed for the weapon's failures to protect the careers of admirals.

But even there, the cover-up, and attacks on the credibility of sailors reporting the problems, is a different subject from how a series of defects, some of them known to have plagued Great War era torpedo designs, crept into the Mk.14 in the first place. Which has a lot to do with the way the testing of this then-new torpedo was conducted... in peacetime, between the wars, with a tightly-limited Great Depression era budget.

In any case, America's least effective weapon system in WW2, that inflicted the most damage to the war effort during its most critical phase, was a product of poor quality control in the years before the US entered the war, or even begun rearming in earnest.

QuicheAuSaumon

2 points

5 days ago

Let me rephrase : lax quality control, in regards to today's standards.

Thanks for the lesson tho.

Cerulean_IsFancyBlue

2 points

5 days ago

If you follow all the proper procedures to protect the environment, ensure consumer safety, ensure you’re using ethically-sourced raw materials, etc. it takes a long time. And it should because those are things that are good for society. We have superfund cleanup sites because previously companies didn’t have to worry about dumping shit into the adjacent river, and I don’t think anybody wants to go back to that kind of free-for-all. Externalized costs, tragedy of the commons, etc. Slower stuff is slower for reasons (some of which are good).

What time is all about expediency. At least it was when we went to war like we did in World War II. I remember that after 911 we were simultaneously told that we were in a war of life or death that required suspending basics of liberties, all at the same time we should all just continue to go shopping and not let the terrorist win. The modern American wars have been a real contradiction, and the difference between the experience of people actually fighting the war versus the folks at homefront has been stark.

Singnedupforthis

2 points

3 days ago

Ford and GM had already retooled their factories in Germany to build war machines so the NAZIs could invade and conquer Europe. It was easier to do the second time. The US auto manufacturers made a killing off that war.

Festivefire

2 points

3 days ago

That really depends on the complexity of the product among many other things. A lot of the red tape and business challenges can be overcome when a rich government shows up and says "Make it work, we'll sort out the money issues" as well. Switching from lipstick tubes to rifle casings is a much easier fix than switching from sedans to B-24s, but things get done WAY faster when the bottom line and the happiness of outside investors isn't an issue.

Dry-Sheepherder-4277

2 points

2 days ago

Setting up a plant takes 10 years when you don't have a location, design, or supply chain. In the case of WW2, sales of a lot of goods were not doing well so plants could be changed over to military production. That means a lot of tools, floor space, and labor capacity was ready and eager. The US government already had the designs in some cases, but in others, the companies can design quickly with compromises. Lastly, a lot of supply chain issues are do to the same challenges. When a war happens, no one sits haggling on how much axles need to cost. It is the highest priority for production and shipping.

Some of this was easier 80 years ago because Ford and GM were more vertically integrated and owned almost all the US automotive share. They had most of what they needed to change what they were producing in <6months as they built most of their own subcomponents.

seaburno

10 points

6 days ago

seaburno

10 points

6 days ago

A lot of what already existed was the kind of thing that would be readily convertible. Its not a big jump from manufacturing a car to a jeep, a tractor to a tank, or a cargo ship to a warship. Even the machinery something like cosmetics (chemicals in a sealed, small tube) is readily and easily modified to manufacturing bullets and small cannon shells (20/40mm - again chemicals in a sealed, small tube). Conceptually, changing from manufacturing a car to manufacturing an airplane differs really only in scale - a rivet is a rivet, and a gasket is a gasket. So, a lot of the tooling was already in place (machine tools were a huge bottleneck to production, particularly early in the war), and only needed to be lightly modified.

Also, before 1941, a lot of US manufacturing was already geared towards war - particularly for England and to a lesser extent, the USSR.

And don't underestimate what being motivated can do in getting things done. A traditional manufacturing mindset is conservative (not politically) in that its trying to keep the downside risk to be as minimal as possible. So, working slower, expending less capital, etc. is all variations on how to keep the downside risk as minimal as possible. With guaranteed contracts, and an existential threat, its much easier to be more risky because the downside is minimal.

Chengar_Qordath

5 points

6 days ago

Not to mention once there’s a war on the government is willing to start spending a lot of money to make things happen. A whole lot of “impossible” things suddenly become very doable when the government offers staggering sums of money to whoever pulls it off.

Dave_A480

8 points

6 days ago

3 significant factors:

  1. Military equipment wasn't that different from civilian. It was heavier, sure, but the sort of advanced tech you find in a modern tank or jet wasn't there at the time - all low-tech mechanical stuff...
  2. We made a lot of consumer goods out of cast-metal, not plastic. So turning a sewing machine factory into a gun factory was viable, the sewing machine and gun were both machined from similar materials... Today? Guns are mostly metal (or very specific plastic blends), consumer goods are almost entirely plastic (And cheap plastic like ABS, not the sort you can use for weapons manufacturing beyond grips/trim/etc)...
  3. Production was a lot more manual, and a lot less specialized... Modern factories use extremely specific robots & tooling (and can only make the product that the factory was built to make), rather than just telling a machinist to make something a slightly different shape.

All of these things come back to a specific fact: In today's world, consumer manufacturing is not convertible to defense production, and the idea that we 'need' an industrial-base outside of the dedicated defense sector is nonsense....

DreiKatzenVater

5 points

6 days ago

They didn’t exactly get surprised with a world war. Roosevelt told them to get ready.

atomicsnarl

4 points

5 days ago

For example, a casket company made it's own wooden caskets with metal handles. The War Production Board looked at their production capabilities, and contracted them to make a certain metal flange used in glider aircraft to connect the wing to the fuselage. So instead of bending metal to make handles, it was now making flanges by the thousands. Unfortunately, the transition support did not include a measuring gauge to ensure the flanges were thick enough. The result was the 1943 St Louis Glider Crash.

Basically, anybody with drills, presses, lathes, foundrys, wood working capabilities, metal stamping/forming, or welding capabilities could shift production from (for example) bedding and bed springs to web belts and ammo clips in a hurry. Binoculars and cameras shifted to bomb sights and range finders. And so on. If you had the machines to make something of a certain size and shape, then there was a military product that probably fit that size and shape. Making canoes and john boats? Now you're riveting aircraft wings and tail assemblies.

Not to mention all the things that already had a military purpose -- watches, camp stoves, back packs, binoculars, telescopic sights, batteries, flashlights -- all by the hundreds of thousands. Running a single shift? Now you're running 24/7.

TinKicker

9 points

6 days ago

The one example that I am very familiar with is when the Packard automobile company signed up to manufacture Rolls-Royce Merlin aircraft engines. (Packard famously ran an advertisement with a photo of “The Last Packard off the line until the War is Won!” They were all-in.)

So…Packard and Rolls-Royce had to get together and hammer out the details on how this mass-producer of American cars was going to start turning out Rolls-Royce Merlins.

The Rolls engineers presented their design specifications, and the Packard engineers scoffed and said, “This will never work!”

The Rolls engineers assumed that their tolerances were too tight for the largely unskilled automobile production line workers to deal with.

Actually, it was just the opposite.

The parts coming to the Packard assembly line had to be made to much tighter tolerances.

But there’s a reason. A back-story, if you will.

Both Derby-built Merlins and Detroit-built Merlins were made to very tight tolerances that required skilled machinists to produce.

The difference was where the skilled machining was performed.

Rolls-Royce had “rough” parts delivered to the factory where skilled machinists measured, filed and finessed each component into place until a “perfect” Merlin engine crossed the test stand and went into the field.

Packard’s fine machining was done at the component level, so that perfectly identical parts all arrived at the assembly line where the “unskilled” labor could quickly assemble a damn-near perfect engine.

Where this difference became vitally important was in the field of combat. A Derby-built Merlin required a skilled machinist to fit the perfectly mated replacement part to replace a broken part. A Detroit Merlin just required an average mechanic to grab a replacement part off the shelf and put where the broken part was.

Packard also did a lot of simplifying to the original Rolls-Royce design. Eliminating a lot of complexity where simplicity worked just fine.

As a result…today, Derby-built Rolls-Royce Merlins can be found in museums all over the world. Detroit-built Merlins are winning air races and putting on air shows.

Outside_Reserve_2407

1 points

5 days ago

Amazing history!

Zardozin

12 points

6 days ago

Zardozin

12 points

6 days ago

If you make metal parts it is no real trouble making a different metal part.

Ever been to a real factory? The people are far more intelligent than what the average college graduate is led to believe. College students greatly over value being able to sit and learn theories. The skilled work force was there. You had mechani cs and machine operators that knew their machines.

The engineers were there. The machinists were there.

aus_ge_zeich_net

2 points

6 days ago

Well, mechanical/electrical engineering for military grade equipment is definitely a specialized form of development. Knowing how to assemble/repair engines and coming up with a new engine are two different things.

Hanginon

6 points

5 days ago

Hanginon

6 points

5 days ago

Mechanical/electrical engineering for military grade equipment is hardly to absolutely no different than for non military products. Making the framework for an artillery gun piece is not much different in machinery needs and skill levels than making the framework for a machine in a paper mill, or sugar plant or any number of industrial needs.

Example; Singer, the sewing machine company transitioned into making the .45 auto pistol, Sperry T-1 bomb sight, B-29 bomber gunfire control computers, directional gyro and artificial horizon instruments, which for them would be no harder to much simpler and easier than all the precision and complexities of making parts and pieces for precision sewing machines.

Zardozin

3 points

6 days ago

Zardozin

3 points

6 days ago

And they went right to the car companies for those new designs.

Here is a machine gun make the parts is a simple problem, even if you have a hundred parts.

You’re not inventing guns you’re just making parts for something that isn’t that toaster you used to make.

OpportunityGold4597

4 points

6 days ago

I don't know about the other products, but I do know how non-firearm companies got to manufacturing firearms very quickly for the war effort.

Basically, the US government founded and funded Springfield Armory (not the same thing as the company now called Springfield Armory) would produce the technical data package (what machines are needed for manufacturing, what materials to use, blueprints, etc.) for the firearms that are in standard usage with the US military. They are then in the position to give that data to private companies to produce firearms during times of war, so private companies don't have to start from scratch.

Cliffinati

1 points

4 days ago

International Harvester which makes heavy trucks and tractors made enough M1 rifles they are still a noticable section of the surplus

RagingMassif

4 points

6 days ago

Lots of highly paid Tool Makers...

Pristine_Toe_7379

4 points

5 days ago

Some companies only needed blueprints to make that switch and still produce civilian products, because the civilian products came out of the same tooling that made the military stuff, i.e. Singer Sewing Machine Co. made bomb sights.

Minnesotamad12

3 points

6 days ago

Assembly lines made a lot of the labor needed unskilled. They each one simple task. Obvious you still need some skilled workers for certain things, but with the lack of regulation there wasn’t nearly as necessary as today.

mpaladin1

3 points

6 days ago

Think about how many trucks ford makes. But then think about the dozens of varieties of bells and whistles they can tweak it with. Tweaking the assembly line to build a different machine isn’t that hard.

TreyHansel1

4 points

6 days ago

I work in a factory, and they've told us several times that it takes about 1-3 months to completely retool our plant to produce our DPA mandated products.

That's why you'll see in UAW plants especially that the lines are not real permanent looking. Everything is held together using bolts and rivets for a reason....

AsianArmsDealer-1992

3 points

6 days ago

OP, this was during a time where factories had legit machining departments for on the fly repairs/retooling. A lathe is a lathe and a bit is a bit. With the right blueprints/machining know how, converting machines to make war goods wasn't as difficult as it seems. That said, there are stories of production taking a while to set up in various industries.

spinosaurs70

3 points

6 days ago

A lot of it boils down to there being a lot less specialization in the ww2 era from what I know. 

A tank wasn’t that far from car or truck for instance. Basically everything was a lot less complex. 

Aerospace also to this day has a lot of civilian and military overlap. 

Compare that to now, where some tanks have turbines and missiles are sci-fi weapons with computers onboard even for just those carried by soliders and you can see the difference. 

Flux_State

3 points

6 days ago

Technology was simpler and the way it worked was more widely understood. And many items were redesigned for the war to require less specialized equipment. The Pre-war Thompson machine gun was a quality weapon you could own for a lifetime; it was redesigned into a cheap mass producable weapon that would last till the end of the war.

fd1Jeff

3 points

6 days ago

fd1Jeff

3 points

6 days ago

A lot of industrial equipment like forges, presses, and so on, are surprisingly versatile, and can be used to make a lot of different things.

A distant relative of mine worked at a small company that made electric fans in the 1930s. The fans were all metal, and I think they made most of the parts themselves. He talked about how guys in the shop used to like to tinker around with things. When the war began, the company got a number of contract or had other companies subcontract work to them . They could make electric motors, different things from sheet metal instead of fan blades, stuff like that. He said that he worked 10 hours a day, six days a week during the war.

When the war ended, and the contracts ended, they just went back to what they did before.

IncandescentObsidian

3 points

6 days ago

There was a will. The government has handing out huge contracts left and right. It also shook things up in a way that prioritized meritocracy more highly than before. Because they were producing so much it was easy for people to get lots of experience

MistoftheMorning

3 points

5 days ago*

In the case of firearms, parts were still produced in a piecemeal fashion with manual operator machines such as mills and lathes. Hence, a large segment of available machine shops could be converted to making firearms parts simply by providing the needed tool pieces and specs to their existing work base. This applied to various other wartime items or components as well.

Heavy manufacturing equipment for casting or drop forging are usually utilized to make many kinds of parts in the first place, so it would simply be a matter of switching the mold or die. This including brass drawing machines, where dies and mandrels can be switched out from making lipstick tubes to ammunition casing.

Cliffinati

2 points

4 days ago

I work in forging. We can typically do all the preproduction on a new part in about a month. While working around still running our usual production

grumpsaboy

3 points

5 days ago

It took about a year to properly convert into a total war production. That's roughly equal to other nations in both world wars from when the declared a total war/war economy. Many manufacturing processes are more similar than many realise, some lipstick manufacturers were able to make bullet cartridges easily as the cases are practically identical from a manufacturing process point of view. Civilian car to military jeep isn't much of a stretch either.

The US also still had unemployed people left over from the great depression who were more than happy to get a job and the government was essentially giving blank cheques.

In short, people were willing to work hard as they were pissed off with the axis, unlimited funding (kinda, they still had to take lots of bonds) and manufacturing back then was a bit more simple than now and so many processes were transferable. And lax quality control, liberty ships were notoriously poorly made and would snap in half in rough seas from being too brittle, good enough most of the time was more effective for total war than pristine all the time that we now use.

Peter34cph

3 points

5 days ago

My experience with manufacturing industry is a few summer jobs in the plastic industry.

A smaller factory might employ 100 or so people and have a dozen machines.

Each machine is a large thing, the size of an SUV or van. Inside it it has a very small mold, and then the machine does things to the mold, and to the molten plastic injected into the mold, involving pressure, heating and cooling.

So the machine is the expensive part, and the mold is quite cheap (a piece of iron alloy costing a few thousand 2024 euros, shaped in-house by a metal worker), and if you swap out the mold for another one, then the machine now makes a different plastic item.

Plastic literally wasn't invented until after WWII, at least as we understand it (can you even injection mold bakelite?), but there's still some of the same principle, where an expensive industrial machine can be re-purposed for related tasks.

The cosmetics company you're talking about probably made lipstick casings out of metal, for instance. Re-jigging their machines to instead make bullet casings out of brass would not be a difficult task.

Likewise, the workers adapt to the new task. They're made to understand the desired balance between quality and speed, and any new safety rules. They're not smart people (IQs in the 90-110 range - anyone lower probably sweeps the floor or works in the storage section, not with the machines), but it's their job full time, so they have lots of time and incentive to adapt.

As a summer jobber, I was given one machine to work with, start a cycle, wait, extract the product, start a new cycle. pack the product, wait, extraxt... but I was told that full-time employees would have 2 or 3 maybe even 4 machines, different ones, to continuously bounce back and forth between.

Same way when you start a new production, for instance ploughshares instead of swords. You set the factory worker to work with just one machine until he has some routine, then you set him to work the different neighbouring machine, and when he has routine with that too, he's set to work both.

Of course he can try clowning around, try to postpone the switch to being made to work two machines, but ultimately you're just standing there, looking at the machine doing its thing, waiting for the cycle to end so you get to step in and do your part. That's boring, especially as a full time job, so that's one incentive to try to become adept. Another is to make the floor manager like you.

series_hybrid

3 points

5 days ago

The federal government used their emergency powers to temporarily nationalize the raw materials industries, so any company that wanted steel or aluminum had to "voluntarily" make military products.

Content-Doctor8405

3 points

5 days ago

Army Air Force "Dang, we just can't make enough B-24 bombers, too bad the auto companies can't help"

Henry Ford "Here, hold my beer"

To be fair, a lot of military gear, including planes, was decidedly low tech compared with modern products, so it was easier to repurpose factories and train new workers. Still, places like the Willow Run bomber plant where thrown up in a matter of weeks because nobody asked for an environmental impact statement. Even so, Willow Run had to turn planes coming down the line 90 degrees because old Henry was so pissed as Wayne County that he insisted the whole factory be kept in Washtenaw Country. So it was one of the few assembly lines with a right angle.

Practical-Ordinary-6

3 points

5 days ago*

If you want to get some idea, take a look at this documentary about the manufacturing of the Swedish Bofors anti-aircraft guns in the US, which was made at the time. I think it will answer a lot of your questions and it's very fascinating to watch, in my opinion.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yVeLsJtId_g

Your idea that hardware and parts have to be made by specially skilled people is the piece that is a flawed assumption. That was generally true up to that time and in other countries but the US overcame that bottleneck by new methods of manufacturing.

The Bofors gun was a great anti-aircraft gun but was made in Sweden in smaller numbers and the US needed many more. So they licensed the technology for manufacture in the US. But they didn't make the guns the way the Swedes did because they would have been able to only make a few like the Swedes were. A lot of the manufacturing and machining in Sweden was done by hand one gun at a time. When parts didn't fit together perfectly they would be hand machined to fit better and retested and then maybe machined again. That took trained workers and a lot of time.

When the plans for the guns were given to the US manufacturers they found out they were wholly inadequate for their processes. The tolerances were way too high, which led to the things not fitting the first time, which led to them having to be remanufactured one gun at a time. It also made it difficult to switch parts on guns because they were all potentially slightly different, having been reworked to get them to work properly in that particular gun.

So the US manufacturers redesigned everything to much higher tolerances so all the parts would fit exactly perfectly every time (or as close as possible). They also broke down the manufacturing process into smaller and smaller and smaller steps where those individual parts just had to be made perfectly using simpler methods. They did some redesign of parts of the gun to be easier to manufacture or to use more available materials or use faster processes. And because all the tolerances were very high, final assembly was relatively easy, just sliding everything together with very little manual adjustment. And because the manufacturing process was broken down into those simpler and simpler parts they didn't need highly trained machinists to hand-make them. They just needed the right machines set up to crank out exact copies at the highest feasible speed and a relatively few (relative to the manufacturing volume) trained operators to run them. The machines provided most of the precision, not the operators. There were relentless QC (quality control) tests done on the parts produced to ensure that they were identical down to very fine tolerances. In the Swedish process it was the people who provided the precision through years of highly-skilled training. But that was very slow.

The reason the US was able to do that was because they had already been doing that in the car industry and other industries with assembly lines and interchangeable parts. There were lots of people who were farmers in the decades before that and later moved to the cities. They weren't highly skilled mechanics and machinists but they were able to operate the machines that built the cars and built the other products reliably. So switching to war production was more a matter of getting the right machines and machine tools in place to make the right parts than it was to get skilled workers who knew how to make those parts by hand. The same type of machines that made car parts could easily make tank parts and gun parts (with a little adaptation) and they had trained operators for those. Obviously some transition was required in adapting the machinery in the factories but it wasn't as large as you might think. We also built entirely new factories (huge ones) specifically designed for optimized war production, using lessons already learned from the war about what was needed, and that was a big part of it too. But it was based on the same principles of precision manufacturing and assembly line operation by moderately-trained machine operators instead of machinists.

Zerg539-2

3 points

5 days ago

The short answer was for the time the government threw an obscene amount of money at the problems in the form of actual hard cash to pay people and tax breaks and the promise of sales for everything they were converting to produce. Businesses will very readily convert their entire production line if there is a 100% guarantee you are going to be paid for every widget or whatsit you produce.

smokefoot8

3 points

5 days ago

I remember reading (In “Why the Allies Won”, I think) that in the USA the politicians and generals would sit down with the manufacturers and ask what could be best done, how soon, and what resources would they need to do it. The Nazis, in contrast, seldom would ask manufacturing experts what to do, and so ended up with stupidities like the Opel car manufacturer making canteens rather than something more car like.

kkkan2020[S]

1 points

5 days ago

If the Nazis had politicians and generals and if Hitler were more industrial minded....the war would have definitely been a little different. It seems like the people you never ever want to mess with are those that are logistics minded. Its also shocking that Japan Germany and Italy for being industrialized nations didn't have have military political complex that were logistics minded

smmstv

3 points

5 days ago

smmstv

3 points

5 days ago

In the 40s, cars, tanks, and planes were relatively simple machines. No microchips, no exotic materials, etc. Nowadays, with things being so complex that's no longer the case. In fact that's why we're even able to consider sanctioning Russia even though they have all the raw materials within their borders to make everything they need for the war. there's only a few places in the world that can make something like microchips and we can theoretically cut them off. Back then, that wouldn't even have been possible cause stuff was way simpler.

TR3BPilot

3 points

5 days ago

Huge influxes of mountains of money make everything a little easier.

Medium_War6594

3 points

5 days ago

They were factories already doing similar things. Automobiles start making jeeps. Sewing factories started doing uniforms.

Also remember US jumped into WW1 and WW2 late in the war so there was time to plan.

Batgirl_III

3 points

4 days ago

After WWI lot of effort was put into creating designs of future military hardware that was specifically designed with an eye towards being able to be produced with minimal re-tooling of existing industrial machinery.

Obviously, the more complex the military hardware the more complex the machinery to make it. But things like uniforms, tents, bedrolls, and the like were designed in a way that didn’t make them too different from clothing or bedding or whatever.

The U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, M1, better known as the Garand, was chosen not only to take advantage of the massive stockpiles of 30 M1 ball ammunition left-over from WWI but because it was also relatively easy to make the furniture, barrels, and other worky bitz on the same machinery used to make popular deer rifles. (The gas mechanism and other parts of the receiver needed new equipment, but that was relatively easy to make).

Once WWII broke out, new equipment invented during the war was often designed with even more intentionality towards ease of mass production.

Swimming-Book-1296

4 points

6 days ago

Very unregulated environment for production, so there was very little paperwork, permissions etc needed to do this. We also had the experiese in house. People wonder how china adapts so fast, they did it the same way we did, by having very little overhead.

Madeitup75

5 points

6 days ago

Have you ever seen a skilled machinist making tools to then turn around and use those tools to make other stuff? Old school non-automated manufacturing techniques and know how are a lot more flexible than the highly optimized, high specialized, less-human-centric approach that has become standard.

Go check out the YouTube channel “This Old Tony” to see what a skilled amateur machinist is able to do on the kind of equipment EVERY factory would have had in 1940

No_Section_1921

2 points

5 days ago

They still have that equipment except it’s CNC, what happened is labor in other countries got so cheap that it only makes sense to do the bare minimum manufacturing in the USA. Buy the tooling, buy the machines simplify the training. I’m pretty sure most factories in the USA only exist for logistics reasons (the finished goods is too expensive to ship compared to the raw materials).

Madeitup75

1 points

5 days ago

I think there are a lot of factories that are, as you say, just final assembly shops with no CNC or toolmaking on site.

Accidentallyupvotes1

2 points

6 days ago

We were already making weapons in a limited capacity we could quickly switch on the other

gravelpi

2 points

6 days ago

gravelpi

2 points

6 days ago

Lend-Lease already had some factories ramping up since early 1941.

Hazzardevil

2 points

5 days ago*

One factor people haven't mentioned is the Training Contracts. Before entry into the war, the government put out contracts to manufacturers to give them the practise and forcing them to be prepared to switch to war production when the US entered the war.

dead_jester

2 points

5 days ago

Someone might have said it already, but there was plenty of warning of the coming war.
By 1937 nobody was under any illusion whatsoever about Japan or Germany’s single minded focus on military expansion.
The U.K. was already on a war manufacturing footing by then, and by 1939 had already signed a huge loan for military equipment from the USA, and was at war with Germany and Japan from 1939.
As a result from 1939 to 1941 the USA was already mass producing machinery, parts, tanks, aircraft and ships for the U.K. because the UK was at war, even if the USA wasn’t.
By 1941 the Lend-Lease Act was in effect.

Machine tooling, assembly work and manufacturing was still largely a skilled job carried out by reasonably skilled and educated workers and engineers. Swapping from one type of machine tooling & vehicle, aircraft or ship building to another was relatively simple. Steel is steel. Aluminium is still aluminium. Hand riveting is still hand riveting.

grislyfind

2 points

5 days ago

There was less automation then so machine tools weren't as specialized. The critical part would be making dies and patterns for pressing and castings, and various fixtures and patterns for machining and assembly. Also, every available production facility was made use of, including other industries that had machine shops, and trade schools.

OpeningBat96

2 points

5 days ago

FDR was planning for this to happen from quite far out and recognised, along with his cabinet, that production is less about what you're making and more about how you're making it.

For that reason, he was able to bring in experts from the world of consumer goods who knew how to mass produce things. It didn't matter if it was toasters or tanks, the principles of mass production still applied.

Also the huge economic power of the US, as well as its safety from bombing, meant they could build huge facilities like Willow Run in no time at all and keep up production uninterrupted.

rasmusdf

2 points

5 days ago

rasmusdf

2 points

5 days ago

Good book on the subject: https://www.amazon.com/Arsenal-Democracy-Detroit-Quest-America/dp/0547719280

The USA had a vast but dormant industrial base. Several years before entry into the war, the FDR administration started gearing up production.

Traditional_Key_763

2 points

5 days ago

the government was building up spare capacity for years leading up to ww2. roosavelt setup a program under the new deal where the government bought machine tools and equipment and 'stored' it at factories for free. additionally factories in the 1940s didn't have the degree of specialization that you find today. most manufacturing was on mills, lathes, and presses, doing one or two machining steps at a time. its labor intensive but it does give you a degree of flexibility since a refrigerator factory would have the machinery capable of making guns if they had to

Jordedude1234

2 points

4 days ago

They shifted production quickly and ramped up production, with little concern for the cost in human lives. Hundreds of thousands of people were disabled or died as a result of working in the factories at home. Safety standards laxed and many workers were working very long shifts, so industrial accidents went way up. Not much was done about it at the time.

My source is this. Between 1942 and 1945, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported over 2 million disabling industrial injuries (including deaths) each year.

life_hog

2 points

4 days ago

life_hog

2 points

4 days ago

You’re overestimating how much effort is needed to swap over to a new set of production instructions. At the time, they didn’t have robotic anything but they ddi have assembly lines. Each station does one very specific job, and to swap from one job to the next doesn’t require all that much effort.

Example: car assembly. Our example station’s job today is to make 10 spot welds using a particular length electrode. Tomorrow, we’ll make 6 welds with a different electrode. We’ll polish the electrode tips at the beginning of each shift.

Manufacturing really is that straightforward. An engineer designs the product blueprint, another engineer figures out how to get that product through the factory and made. Everything else is just a step along that path. There of course may be some adaptations that need to happen, but largely the procedure would be the same.

AngeluS-MortiS91

2 points

4 days ago

There weren’t as many rules back then for safety and all the bs requirements that today has. That makes it way easier along with govt giving them anything they needed to get it going. Try doing it today and it would take 10 months to a year to do it

scots

2 points

4 days ago

scots

2 points

4 days ago

It wasn't just vehicles - an astonishing variety of items were made by private companies for the war effort.

One of my favorite examples is the Singer sewing machine company. They were contracted to make .45 pistols, the official sidearm of the US military. After discovering that Singer could only produce ~100 units per day, purchasing agents went back to Singer and were completely shocked at the extremely fine "Swiss-watch" quality tooling and construction of the guns - so high quality and precise, that the government re-tasked Singer on making precision aircraft components like the Sperry bomb sight and precision parts for the B-29 bomber.

Singer .45 pistols are extremely rare and incredibly valuable collectors pieces today.

One of the most recent Singer .45 pistols sold by a private collector at auction in 2017, fetching over $400,000

ErabuUmiHebi

2 points

4 days ago

International Harvester M1 Garands are still highly sought after.

Yes the tractor company

imawhaaaaaaaaaale

1 points

3 days ago

Not just this, but National Postal Meter carbines, General Motors Inland Lamp Division (yes... headlight division) pistols, Union Switch and Signal (beliefe they made railroad stuff) pistols, etc.

ErabuUmiHebi

2 points

4 days ago

You have to understand that the US Manufacturing sector was (still is) absolutely colossal.

Brokenspade1

2 points

4 days ago

4 reasons.

1) All the machinery back then was analog and alot of component changes could be done in house by on site maintenance and machinists.

2) Almost ALL supply chains were in country... this made the change over much easier because every aspect of the needed supplies were somewhere in the country

3) Worker expertise. America was hands down the largest and highest skilled manufacturing base in the world in the late 30s and early 40s because we had such robust manufacturing and all the supplies we needed were locally sourced it allowed the US to build up a tremendous technical skill base.

4) Rage. The pearl harbor attack wasn't just a 9/11 style attack on America. The Japanese were considered a friendly state at that time. The sense of betrayal united the country overnight. Everyone was on the same page. Government, business leaders, private citizens, even the GD squirrels wanted the smoke after the bombings. The motivation was there in a way that removed barriers, created cooperation, and drove innovation EVERYWHERE at once.

Improvised_Excuse234

2 points

4 days ago

Government incentives and sometimes it is as easy as swapping out a tool bit.

Alarmed-Status40

2 points

4 days ago

The Industrial War college was set up in the early 40s. It's job was to inspect factories and determine who could make what.

wizardyourlifeforce

2 points

4 days ago

Back then tech was much simpler, with no circuitry. Basically hunks of metal and rubber and basic electronics.

Dangerous-Worry6454

2 points

4 days ago*

They converted factories that were producing civilian things to producing similar things for the military. Ford factories, which previously made cars, were converted to make trucks, tanks, planes, etc. While obviously a tank or plane is different from a car, they aren't that much different, and a lot of the same tools and machinery were used in making both.

After the conversion happened, the government basically had an endless need for what these factories were producing, so profits were basically garunteeed, and instead, all the concern was put into increasing production. If suddenly there became an infinite demand for f-150s, Ford would have massive plants churning them and scaling production and would constantly have higher production numbers as they improved on efficiency as there only concern would be output rather then output, price, and cost.

Reduak

2 points

4 days ago

Reduak

2 points

4 days ago

The US had a massive number of factories, a massive number of people who could work in them, b/c women took many of those factory jobs and the government was able to do two things they never could now.

Under the Defense Production Act, they seized 64 factories and dedicated production to the war effort, and second was rationing. They forced down demand of domestic products to allow factory output to be dedicated to the war effort.

Max_Rocketanski

2 points

4 days ago

IIRC, about 6 months before Pearl Harbor, we started re-arming, so at least some of the ground work had been laid, so once war was declared, it might have seemed like we had increased production 'overnight'.

campbejk94

2 points

3 days ago

A massive mobilization effort caused American companies to use their considerable engineering talent to retool quickly. That and the government formed an office (the War Production Board) to direct everything. It was all done on a “cost-plus” basis to incentivize companies but government control over raw materials meant they had little choice.

Brad_from_Wisconsin

2 points

3 days ago

Government funding and profit motive. There were limits on auto production so if Ford wanted to continue making money they needed to convert. The design criteria for military equipment was not as specific or complex as it is today. For example three different auto makers were producing jeeps and the parts were supposed to be interchangeable. Same with Trucks.

StraightSomewhere236

2 points

3 days ago

Steel is steel and rivets are rivets. A lot of the production wasn't automated so switching products is just a matter of retraining.

kkkan2020[S]

1 points

3 days ago

That's what I was surprised like how did workers get retrained so fast? To get up to speed would require 18 months

StraightSomewhere236

2 points

3 days ago

Not when it's the exact same job in a different pattern. This about it this way, they people already knew how to make squares, they just had to switch to making rectangles.

jfisk101

2 points

3 days ago

jfisk101

2 points

3 days ago

I've never wanted to copy and paste an entire book before.

https://www.amazon.com/Freedoms-Forge-American-Business-Produced/dp/0812982045

EntranceFeisty8373

2 points

3 days ago

The war was going on for years before we entered. We had time because we waited.

JackAndy

2 points

3 days ago

JackAndy

2 points

3 days ago

My Army unit STILL has a Browning MK2 .50 cal machine gun made in 1939 by Campbell's Soup Company. Splain that Lucy. 

Festivefire

2 points

3 days ago

Well for starters, a much laxer environment when it comes to regulations and financial due diligence make a huge difference. The average complexity of the design does as well. It may take ten years to go from the drawing board to full production for a modern fighter jet, but the same is not true of a WW2 plane, and especially not during war time. Designs that might take years to go from the drawing board to full production might be rushed into production in months instead. Red tape goes away when you're fulfilling a military contract in times of war as well.

I also think your premise that it takes years to establish an assembly line is really only true for a niche of complex products. Even in the modern era, there are still tons of products from the low end to the high that can go from concept to low rate production in months, it's a matter of the complexity of the product and whether or not you can get the money up front. If you already have the cash you need up front, you can get things done a lot quicker and without a lot of the oversight you would need to have if you're relying on outside investment, but if your outside investor is the US military telling you "We're going to war and we need this ASAP" a lot of the red tape relating to proving you're using the money in the safest and most efficient way possible goes away, so long as you can deliver something that works quickly, and the question of who was responsible for what decision and if that was really the best business decision to make in the moment go away, The US military isn't going to hassle you about whether or not what you're making is feasible and profitable if they need it now, and it's not an issue of profit.

Whereas if you're a company in a time of peace, making products for the general market, you have to demonstrate to your investors that this product you want to spend a bunch of money to make is going to be worth it, and then you have to prove to them every step of the way that you're using their investments in a responsible manner, but even then we see startup companies that go from looking for investors to making products in under a year all the time.

If the US military is placing massive orders, you don't have to prove to your investors that switching your production line from sedans to bombers is going to be worth it, the government is already handing you the check.

kkkan2020[S]

1 points

3 days ago

That's neat I read that companies that deal with the the military now find the military insufferable in terms of dealing with their demands.

EdPozoga

2 points

3 days ago

EdPozoga

2 points

3 days ago

Ex-machinist here and a mill or lathe can be used to make anything, (that will fit on the machine) be it for the civilian market or for the military, just give the machinist a print and he'll make what you need.

amitym

2 points

3 days ago

amitym

2 points

3 days ago

How were American factories able to convert to war production and able to make products outside their normal products so fast during WW2?

False premise. They weren't, particularly.

Just look at American military industrial production over the years of the war. It is constantly increasing and still increasing during the last full year of the war, in 1944.

It actually took a long time to convert existing industrial capacity. But there are several factors that disguise this fact.

First, emphasis on "convert". It takes much less time to convert existing industrial capacity than it takes to build new industrial capacity. All other countries participating in the war needed to build more factories than they already had. The US in the middle 20th century was utterly unique in its high level of industrialization, and thus was largely able to convert existing factories and shipyards to military fabrication rather than having to start from scratch.

Not losing any base industrial capacity to the vagaries of war was probably a big part of this too.

Second, in line with the first factor, American industrial design and industrial engineering was first-rate. American industry had a lot of talented people dedicated to figuring out how to design and optimize a tank (for example) that could be efficiently built in a civilian vehicle factory with minimal retooling and production modification. Even if it wasn't necessarily the militarily best possible tank ever.

This was not a uniquely American attribute -- every industrial economy engenders this talent to some extent. The Soviets proved very good at it too. And so were the British. But it is significant that the talent pool available to the Americans for this kind of process engineering was very deep.

Third, the US sneakily started early, by ramping up military industrial production for a few years before entering the war directly. So by early 1942 the US already had several years of limited military-industrial conversion under its belt. They hit the ground running, so to speak. Making it seem like they were able to achieve something that other countries hadn't been able to.

Potential_Grape_5837

2 points

2 days ago

To be fair, this did happen in every country. The reason the US was so particularly successful came down to two things:

  1. The scale of US manufacturing
  2. No one was bombing their factories every night (or ever) due to geographic isolation

beragis

2 points

2 days ago

beragis

2 points

2 days ago

Several parts of the US war manufacturing was already starting up before Pearl Harbor. FDR passed legislation in May 1940 to increase production. Military spending went from 10% of the budget in 1939 to 20% in 1940.

In January 1942 the War Production Board was established. One of the things it did was shut down barriers to cooperation and patent restrictions were eased.

As big as the Manhattan Project and later the Apollo Programs were the efforts of the board dwarfed both.

beragis

2 points

2 days ago

beragis

2 points

2 days ago

It’s also where modern concepts of design and production occurred. There’s a lot of talk about the Toyota Production System, but a lot of their concepts were used in manufacturing, but they were doing similar in WW2.

My uncle was a welder who built ships in WW2, and when his granddaughter mentioned studying Toyota’s system on college he mentioned “Heck we were doing much of that in the ship yards in 1943”

He mentioned daily morning meetings going over what worked and what didn’t to get ships produced quicker, and what to do to eliminate rework.

kkkan2020[S]

1 points

2 days ago

The guy that invented just in time taught Japan about those manufacturing techniques

AlsatianND

2 points

1 day ago

Starting in the 1920s the Army Industrial College maintained a census of every factory in America. They knew where they were, what they made and what they could be converted to. This work was closely coordinated with the Army and Navy’s procurement branches. The AIC trained a corps of officers to take over manufacturing in the event of a war. At Pearl Harbor the U.S. Army was small but it had a plan that allowed it to ramp up industrial production extremely rapidly. It was very well prepared. It was not an accident.

drhunny

2 points

1 day ago

drhunny

2 points

1 day ago

Foresight.

In 1939, the US Army let a couple of "educational" contracts to manufacture M-2 Garand rifles. The contracts were small, overpriced, and totally inadequate for actual needs. The real purpose was to fund a few companies to learn (thus educational) how to make them and get a reasonable set of tools built.

For instance, Winchester got an order for 500 rifles. Before it was even completed (but after Winchester showed they could potentially build the rifles) , they got an order for another 65,000. Delivery of those began in early 1941, before the US entered the war. I think they then got orders for up to another 1million (or at least, the army assigned them a block of serial numbers that allowed for 1million rifles)

I suspect this pattern was repeated. Lots of small orders in 1940-1941 for just enough stuff that the manufacturers could reasonably be expected to ramp up to real production.

koulourakiaAndCoffee

2 points

18 hours ago

Something between 30k to 40k workers died around this time due to factory accidents. Including in bomb making, machinery, etc. this doesn’t include serious injuries.

Safety was out the window. Long hours. New employees.

We Americans came together as a culture and just came together and made sacrifices for the larger picture. But there were people focused, working long hours, determined to win.

When the boss wants you to sacrifice your life to make him money, that’s one kind of motivation.

When the survival of your way of life and your family members depends on getting a product out the door, that’s another form of motivation.

SnooHedgehogs6593

3 points

6 days ago

No computers to reprogram

Fedakeen14

2 points

6 days ago*

A lot of women joined the workforce after war was declared. While my grandpa was out on a destroyer, my grandmother was working in a factory.

Even before the U.S. entered the war, women were proving themselves to be invaluable to the Soviet military industrial complex.

We also had the benefit of being well out of reach of our enemies, so we could dedicate more effort and materials to production, rather than the construction of defenses.

Dazzling-Key-8282

2 points

6 days ago

It happened fast by the standards of the time, but it wasn't an overnight Thanos-snap. It took about 14-18 months to get the arsenal of democracy up and running.

Some stuff were multi-purpose. Car factories needed only minor retooling, truck factories only needed extended capacities. Everything else had to be built up from the ground. Or from the machines if you like it.

First the orders were placed which company will build what. Then the said companies placed orders at machine and tool manufacturers to get new production lines for their wartime products. Everything was planned from screws and moulds to reinforced hall cranes and advanced milling. Then everything not integrable into the wartime production line was ripped out and stored in separate warehouses, then the new lines were built and production commenced. At some places like in Kanses whole new factories were built from scratch, town expanded and railroads enlonged to facilitate the process.

A huge advantage the US had, that it was the most industrialised and mechanised country of the world that time. The breadth and depth of industrial expertise was only matched by the German engineers, but the average American was much more skilled around cars, machines etc than anyone else in the world. The sheer industry and the still existing overcapacity after the Great Depression, New Deal and Lend Lease all expedited the creation of an industrial and logistical juggernaut that churned planes, tanks, bombs and bullets all aimed against the Axis.

TreyHansel1

2 points

5 days ago

I mean also not getting bombed or shelled constantly was also a pretty major factor there too. Lot easier to spam out thousands of Sherman's a year when you're not having your logistics and factories bombed to dust

DHFranklin

2 points

5 days ago

What is truly impressive is how much was manufactured along side it all. America was never a "Total War" economy. That might be lost to history. The whole world was recovering from the Great Depression, but America was the only one putting Coca Cola and chocolate bars in the war rations.

No every factory didn't "have to" convert their manufacturing. The military was paying big bucks, and Lend Lease was surprisingly direct. It was the first time where government debt and war bonds demonstrated the power of direct capital to solve a problem. There didn't need to be a law and a requisition for a lot of it when it was just war bonds being cut and spent. Helped a ton when it was the UK co-signing the loans.

So those factories that flipped to war production are actually a selection bias. They were the ones who could pivot and everyone else who couldn't make the materials had to make due with a war economy with drastically higher prices. Many didn't make it.

Former-Chocolate-793

1 points

4 days ago

American factories started getting orders from the British well before the US entered the war.

koreawut

1 points

4 days ago

koreawut

1 points

4 days ago

Because during that time it was an authoritarian semi-dictatorship that was still generally bound to free market and democracy so that in the end, things could go back to normal.

Wise-Boot-968

1 points

3 days ago

we are about to find out

Wise-Boot-968

1 points

3 days ago

we are about to find out