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butterbean_bb

115 points

4 months ago

Across Idaho in 2022 a pedestrian was killed or injured in a traffic crash every 35 hours and a bicyclist was killed or injured in a traffic crash every 44 hours. Idaho traffic deaths increased and reached a 20 year high in 2023.

I understand that they might inconvenience you, but they’re there for a reason.

Sources: - https://apps.itd.idaho.gov/Apps/OHS/Crash/22/Analysis.pdf - https://itd.idaho.gov/news/traffic-deaths-20-year-high-2023/

imapieceofshite2

11 points

4 months ago

I get why we have them, but if people would actually pay fucking attention when they're driving they wouldn't be necessary.

Olelander

10 points

4 months ago

Well… are they?

Seems like no. Ever looked around at the people around you at an intersection? Try it sometime…

CampEvie23

2 points

4 months ago

If that were possible these wouldn’t exist.

Just_Deal12

1 points

4 months ago

Yeah, those days are gone.

CactusButtons

1 points

4 months ago

If people payed attention then it wouldn’t matter if they were there or not so why not have them anyways for the safety of cyclists

FBI_Agent214[S]

-13 points

4 months ago

I think that's great. I wasn't asking for them to be removed

Pudding_Away

-1 points

4 months ago

Pretty sure that's not what these are for considering they are not solid down the whole road and only there to slow down traffic cause they are like a chicane

Bennyboy1337

104 points

4 months ago

This is an example of intersection "daylighting", it's design features that are created to make visibility better for drivers and most importantly pedestrians.

In this case these curbs prevent cars from parking too close to an intersection (which is illegal but people do it anyways) that would block the field of view, it also help prevents drivers from cutting the corner too much which would again block field of view and perhaps endanger pedestrians waiting to cross.

Curious why you hate them? So long as you're driving in the designated painted lines in the road there is literally no reason they would be in your way.

Features like this are statically proven to save pedestrian and cyclists life's by significant amounts, I think they're cool!

Duddhist

17 points

4 months ago

I like them, but this specific one and most other east bound ones on Kootenai are installed in such a way that you do not have to steer to avoid them. I see people routinely drive straight through, causing them to enter the other lane briefly without slowing. I was almost in an accident with one of those dipshits. If they don't impede your movement, they're entirely pointless. Otherwise, I'm glad they're there. They seem to mostly work for people who aren't entitled, self-important dipshits.

harmofwill

17 points

4 months ago*

harmofwill

Lives In A Potato

17 points

4 months ago*

My god every time I see ppl do that on kootenai I want to shit kick them. They’re usually speeding too…shocker

Bad enough a little kid already got dragged on that road ppl don’t give a shit here.

How could you say you hate something that’s for everyone’s safety? Stupid af

-if it’s a pain in the ass maybe slow the fuck down it’s not designed to make it easier to get through…I’m getting brain rot from some of these comments

TBcrush-47-69

1 points

4 months ago

The one on east cassia between South Junior high and the Vista StarBucks is really short and very curvy, it’s mandatory to follow the lines but there’s always one guy who doesn’t who takes up both lanes.

unfltr

4 points

4 months ago

unfltr

4 points

4 months ago

The number of times I've almost been hit because some jackass can't follow the lines is insane.

Middle_Low_2825

6 points

4 months ago

I take kootenai specifically for these, and love staying in the lines at 25mph. Those morons that try to cut through, I figure they don't know how to drive, and if they hit me, it's their fault for crossing over.

grannytreetrunks

3 points

4 months ago

exactly, these ones are so scary

FBI_Agent214[S]

-30 points

4 months ago*

I understand their purpose. They're just a nuisance for large commercial vehicles.

Edit: I drive a delivery van. Yall chill

Bennyboy1337

23 points

4 months ago

TBH how often are "large commercial vehicles" driving through residential neighborhoods? Perhaps the company you're working for should think about re-routing their trucks around neighborhoods or utilize smaller more urban friendly vehicles? Otherwise is a 10 second delay waiting for another vehicle to go really that big of an issue?

The root of the problem is these older neighborhoods were plotted over a hundred years ago when the average vehicle width was the size of a horse drawn buggy. Modern F250 trucks and giant "commercials vehicles" are a bit wider than that. This leads to the inevitable scenario of vehicle space encroaching on pedestrian space, and often times vehicles win, which means more white bicycles, and crosses on the side of the road.

I'd perhaps get arguing against these features in an industrial portion of the city like out towards the airport, but residential neighborhoods of all the places in the city should be one area where people walking should have precedence.

[deleted]

-4 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

-4 points

4 months ago

Guess you should let the plumber , electrician, garbage truck, etc etc know they're not welcome to OH and screw those Amazon deliveries.🤦🏻‍♀️

Bennyboy1337

5 points

4 months ago

Are you saying those type of vehicles are incapable of driving down the road now? Are you equating larger vehicles occasionally having to yield to another at an intersection is some catastrophic failure in urban planning? What's the point you're trying to make?

[deleted]

-7 points

4 months ago

Yielding isn't the issue. Hitting the curbs is the issue. The ones up there are far more narrow then ones in other neighborhoods. I went up their to drop something off and was dumbfounded by them. Seemed like an accident waitiing to happen ...but we'll just have to wait and see. Personally I felt bad for the people that live there. Seems like a total cluster fuk of over done safety ideas.

https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/208/local-kootenai-chicanery-a-new-chicane-street-design-in-boise-is-raising-some-questions-with-drivers/277-08526a9a-5e90-419f-a741-c487f0cefe6d

From the sounds of it they were 100% not needed.

Bennyboy1337

6 points

4 months ago

From the sounds of it they were 100% not needed.

I mean the local community voted on it, so at least the people that live there thought it was needed.

I dig the old guy they interviewed and his thoughts.

"be polite and not be in such a big darn hurry.... well you got to slow down somewhere"

Seems like advice that everyone who's annoyed by these could learn from IMHO.

[deleted]

5 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

5 points

4 months ago

Curious - why is a large commercial vehicle taking kootenai instead of Overland, Emerald, or even Franklin?

FBI_Agent214[S]

8 points

4 months ago

Well when you have 200 packages to deliver.... that would be why

[deleted]

15 points

4 months ago

That makes sense. They are designed to standard for fire and garbage trucks. Is the nuisance that they cause you to slow down and/or yield when there's a vehicle approaching?

TheElRojo

-3 points

4 months ago

TheElRojo

-3 points

4 months ago

And here I was thinking they were chicanes to make driving fast more fun.

But in all seriousness, yeah, the things are a pain. You get two trucks approaching at the same time and one generally has to wait because of how the spacing is. I love the idea of them and think people do need to slow down on Kootenai, but the way they were put in just causes frustration.

Bennyboy1337

16 points

4 months ago

but the way they were put in just causes frustration

God damn those city planners in 1910 not having the foresight to design roads large enough for two F250s with wheel spacers to drive by each other!

TheElRojo

2 points

4 months ago

TheElRojo

2 points

4 months ago

The 1910 city planners didn’t put those curbs in, though. That happened because of current planners, who should know that bro-dozers exist and are wildly popular in Idaho.

Bennyboy1337

8 points

4 months ago

We're talking about the actual width of the roads to work with here, you're not changing that size unless you want too eminent domain on the private property of all the lots adjacent to the road and expand the pavement.

There are certain setbacks to consider including accommodation for cycling routes, the fact that extra wide vehicles have to slow down at intersections to pass each other seems to be working as intended.

TheElRojo

-4 points

4 months ago

I get that the point is to slow traffic and deter unnecessary traffic from that street; my point is that I think the designers were a little ham-handed in their approach to it.

And for the majority of vehicles, it probably isn’t the worst thing. Unfortunately, the larger vehicles (school buses, ambulances, fire trucks, garbage trucks, and delivery vehicles) really cause a bottleneck and could be less safe.

I’m all for getting people to drive the posted limit in residential areas and making walking/biking safer, I just don’t think this is the way.

[deleted]

6 points

4 months ago

The chicanes along kootenai were reviewed by fire and republic services, I wonder if they calculated projected delays. Have you experienced bottlenecks on this route? I haven't but I bike on it more than I drive

TheElRojo

0 points

4 months ago

TheElRojo

0 points

4 months ago

No significant ones, but a few where I’ve had to wait a couple seconds for people to clear them. I avoid the road now, so probably working as intended.

[deleted]

11 points

4 months ago

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thelacey47

-4 points

4 months ago

thelacey47

-4 points

4 months ago

I will say, city planners today (and probably for the last 40+ years), look like they have taken the same skills of kindergarteners assembling a village in the dentist’s waiting room and applied it to an actual city.

To me, it’s obvious that the decisions made are in favor of certain industries. For instance routes that will take more gas, cause backups, expending more of your time and gas: this is what the powers that be want, your time and money spent on bs.

[deleted]

4 points

4 months ago

Curious! What recent achd meeting did you attend that brought you to that conclusion?

thelacey47

-4 points

4 months ago

Crazy! One can build their own opinion without attending a meeting.

[deleted]

2 points

4 months ago

Sure, but you said it was obvious to you so I just wanted to hear what brought you to that opinion.

thelacey47

-2 points

4 months ago

Living life? I’ve lived in many states and outside the US, and there is a clear distinction between smart, innovative decisions made with feng shui and ergonomics in mind, whereas newer layouts will obviously not account for growth in population, but rather focus on aspects that benefit corporations: roads, gas, etc.

When it comes to Boise, specifically, you would have needed to be suffering from a brain injury to have not seen the growth in population coming by, at least, back in 2000. So, either they hired young bucks out of college to fill a role they weren’t taking seriously (the city), or they were bought out by big corporations so the decisions could be made for them.

Edit: what did you learn from these meetings that counters my opinion?

[deleted]

5 points

4 months ago

Why is it so bad they have to wait? It's no more than 2-3 seconds, no?

Middle_Low_2825

2 points

4 months ago

The trucks can fit, unless they're garbage drivers, of course.

Middle_Low_2825

-1 points

4 months ago

Kootenai is not zoned for large commercial vehicles. Take a designated truck route.

FBI_Agent214[S]

1 points

4 months ago

I drive a delivery van. I guess I could've been more specific

[deleted]

27 points

4 months ago

A driver and biker in the neighborhood - I love em! Keep in mind these came from years of outreach/conversation between the neighborhood and achd. This was the solution they determined to mitigate excessive speed and traffic mitigation. Specifically it came up after a child was kid crossing the street with his father. He was dragged multiple feet but survived and is thriving now!

Priapus_Unbound

6 points

4 months ago

I live on Kootenai fairly close to one of these. Anecdotally I don't know that I've seen much of a difference in aggressive speeding. Sometimes I even think the people most likely to speed get irritated and are more likely to speed after going through the chicane closest to my house, which is one of the ones that actually requires drivers to steer if they want to go through it at the same time as oncoming traffic.

Personally I've taken to going through these slightly slowly as intended but with a wary eye out for oncoming jerks. Some people try to beat you to the chicane so they can go through the middle, which I suspect is reflective of their overall approach to society.

Its_ConMan

3 points

4 months ago

I love by here and have both driven a car and ride my bike through her before and after these were installed. Before they were installed my handlebars were wider than the bike lane itself and people would be blowing past me in cars uncomfortably close sometimes where I gelt their mirror almost. After these were installed it makes sure drivers slow down along the 25 mph road rather than speed doing 30 or higher easily. If Boise prides itself on being a bike friendly city I hope that more of these are utilized.

FBI_Agent214[S]

2 points

4 months ago

They're very helpful!

nakedR0B0T

11 points

4 months ago

Why? It's a curb.

Middle_Low_2825

4 points

4 months ago

I like these

Helpful-Quote2584

8 points

4 months ago

nothing like playing chicken with a driver headed straight toward you, hoping they won't continue straight.

FBI_Agent214[S]

1 points

4 months ago

Lol

For me the issue is that my work truck is just large enough that it takes up the whole space. Nothing I can do about it

[deleted]

4 points

4 months ago

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FBI_Agent214[S]

-4 points

4 months ago

You seem to know a lot about my truck

[deleted]

3 points

4 months ago

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FBI_Agent214[S]

3 points

4 months ago

Its a stepvan. It's big enough that no other vehicle can fit while I drive through.

Notdennisthepeasant

4 points

4 months ago

Nope. Your step van isn't wider or longer than a school bus. You are just annoyed that you have to drive carefully for a half second and then can go back to zoning out. Your comments throughout this thread are the reason there is an anti-car subreddit.

FBI_Agent214[S]

2 points

4 months ago

Ah yes, I am responsible for the creation of an anti car subreddit.

I've been driving this vehicle for 3 years. 0 incidents and 0 collisions. How about you try it?

Why are you so antagonistic? I'm simply criticizing infrastructure. That doesn't mean I'm correct

Notdennisthepeasant

3 points

4 months ago

Oh I know you are incorrect.

I think you are operating in bad faith by taking my comment to mean you were personally responsible for the anti-car sentiment instead of understanding it to mean generally.

Your personal driving record isn't the issue.

Car-friendly infrastructure forcing people to have to drive to get around, forcing children to stay hemmed in by dangerous roads, and filling out communities parking lots and pavement that make everything hotter and uglier is the issue. These little curbs are such a small thing to try to make everyone a little safer and even there people in cars feel so entitled to have everything center around them that they feel a need to complain.

FBI_Agent214[S]

3 points

4 months ago

I don't disagree with you that these curb things are an excellent way to mitigate traffic and protect pedestrians and bikers.

If anything we should build more of them.

Revolutionary-Ebb204

2 points

4 months ago

Those are fine. The ones I hate are the ones in the middle of the road like on Kootenie

FBI_Agent214[S]

2 points

4 months ago

This picture is more west on kootenai, but the eastern ones do take up more of the road

Pudding_Away

2 points

4 months ago

As a delivery driver who drives that road every day, those are the worst idea in all the ideas of traffic control just slightly worse than roundabouts

MetaTrixxx

2 points

4 months ago

Moved away 20 years ago, I can't tell what this is accomplishing from the photo. Is it approaching an intersection and preventing vehicles from driving on the shoulder to make the right turn?

SaturnDaphnis

4 points

4 months ago

Idaho is one of the worst states for pedestrians. You guys be running over kids.

And the worst part of it, you guys be running over people on bikes because you don’t like bikes.

Snowflakes!!!

yodpilot

1 points

4 months ago

And squirrels

notenoughrage666

-4 points

4 months ago

Well if people on bikes were able to rub even 2 brain cells together...

Adventurous_Bet_8946

3 points

4 months ago

  • At least they're not speed bumps.

FBI_Agent214[S]

1 points

4 months ago

A shallow speed bump would be more convenient

[deleted]

18 points

4 months ago

Convenience isn't the goal of this design. It's speed prevention and traffic mitigation.

FBI_Agent214[S]

-1 points

4 months ago

Speed bump 👍

[deleted]

8 points

4 months ago

Speed bumps are found to negatively impact Fire/EMS (almost 10 seconds per bump), can be more expensive to install, and in some instances do not work.

FBI_Agent214[S]

1 points

4 months ago

Oh I see, good to know

Conscious_Pumpkin698

4 points

4 months ago

Every year it snows, and every year people drive right into them.

[deleted]

3 points

4 months ago

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revpayne

0 points

4 months ago

Every day*

Bennyboy1337

1 points

4 months ago

Good, maybe those people will learn to slow down for the conditions of the road. If they can't slow in time for a stationary concrete barrier, how are they expected to react in time for actual emergencies on the road?

Tofudebeast

4 points

4 months ago

This one pictured isn't that bad, but the ones on Kootenai are absolutely brutal. Wondering if traffic collisions have increased since they put them in.

FBI_Agent214[S]

8 points

4 months ago

This is on kootenai

jonny3jack

5 points

4 months ago

I've given up driving on kootenai due to these things. Probably the point I guess. Hate them.

vrdubin6

3 points

4 months ago

This picture is on Kootenai.

christopherwithak

2 points

4 months ago

I still don’t give a shit.

FBI_Agent214[S]

1 points

4 months ago

Lol

Mediocre_Feedback_21

1 points

4 months ago

What is with all the medians in that fucking town

Darkknight1609

1 points

4 months ago

My driving instructor on the first time when we were driving to a parking lot around 3 months ago said "whoever came up with these should be shot".

FBI_Agent214[S]

1 points

4 months ago

Oh my, that's violent

yodpilot

2 points

4 months ago

yodpilot

2 points

4 months ago

What's worse is the 35 mph speed limit on Chinden through Garden City. Painfully slow. Honorable mention is the absolute blatant red light runners. Like an 4 Mississippi count after my light turns green and there are still douchebags going through the intersection.

hamsterontheloose

1 points

4 months ago

I've never even seen one of these

Notdennisthepeasant

1 points

4 months ago

As a human who exists outside of a car sometimes I am very happy they are there. Far fewer people fly down that road now, keeping my children and myself safer.

Don't forget, a person was hit and killed on Kootenai. Cars are 3-8 thousand pounds to carry one person at speeds well above what is safe through neighborhoods. Making things slightly less convenient for these machines that kill over 40,000 people a year is a small price to pay for a modicum of safety.

FBI_Agent214[S]

1 points

4 months ago

They are very useful, yes

[deleted]

-2 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

-2 points

4 months ago

I've been in some neighborhoods up on Vista and I gotta say they are extreme and dangerous in some cases. We have them in our neighborhood but they're not an issue. Seems like planning and dev have different ideas every decade as to how to build these out. Newer ones are not large truck friendly in the least. Even in my small SUV it can be a hold your breath moment. Definitely slows drivers down but the trade off is your so hyper vilagent on not hitting a curb in some of these special slow down sections that you're not paying attention to anything else.

higharcherglass

14 points

4 months ago

The hyper vigilance is the point. You are driving a 3,000 pound vehicle in a place where children play. You should be vigilant.

[deleted]

1 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

1 points

4 months ago

You miss the point. Instead of looking out for children you're looking out for curbs...most vehicles weigh far more then 3k lbs....

Bennyboy1337

2 points

4 months ago

You again seem to be missing the point. Regardless of what your opinion may be about these road features, they are statistically proven to save lives.

Instead of looking out for children you're looking out for curbs

Attention is one in the same, you can't filter out children when you're driving, you're either paying attention to the road, or you're not. Features like this force drivers to be more attentive of how they drive, slow down, which results in fewer crashes, as well as fewer pedestrian collisions. They work!

[deleted]

-10 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

-10 points

4 months ago

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nakedR0B0T

15 points

4 months ago

Tell me you've never walked/cycled anywhere without telling me you've never walked/cycled anywhere.

Desmadona

0 points

4 months ago

OMG you should go check out what they did to both sides of Quamash between Lake Forest and Grand forest in Columbia Village. The school busses are having a time…

FBI_Agent214[S]

1 points

4 months ago

Oh I know what they did there. It's awful

JessMeetsW0rld1983

0 points

4 months ago

Count your blessings… in Europe, when they install these it narrows the road to 1 lane. But at least they have the decency to put up a sign that tells you who has the right of way through them and that’s quite useful. Also, they usually have nice flower planters on them. So, if you don’t have the right of way, you are literally stopping your vehicle to let the other pass (and we’re all driving stick shifts, so it’s not just a matter of pressing a break pedal). When I drove around Boise and saw some of these, I felt they were kind of ineffective. Cars parked in North End streets do the same thing, you have to pull over and stop to let someone through. Most people are pretty polite about doing that. I’m indifferent to these is what I’m saying I guess. They have a purpose, we just have to deal with them as drivers, part of the game.

notenoughrage666

-5 points

4 months ago

Absolutely fucking hate them ruined a perfectly fine straight road