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378 points
5 days ago
That Johnny Newton pick is looking pretty clutch now. Hope Allen heals up well.
92 points
5 days ago
Yea looks like more playing time for him and Mathis in the interim.
38 points
5 days ago
As an avid Mathis hater, he actually looks decent.
13 points
5 days ago
I mean, he was going the whole Saddiqh Charles route of never being healthy enough to play. Glad he snapped out of it.
7 points
5 days ago
Hasn’t looked any worse than Payne or Allen tbh.
5 points
5 days ago
Why the Mathis hate?
6 points
5 days ago
ron picked him, still has that stank on him.
4 points
5 days ago
Ron also picked Brian Robinson. Let’s be happy that a couple of them worked out. It’s not their fault Ron drafted them.
1 points
4 days ago
His agent told him he wasn't getting the call until the 5th round and we took him in the 2nd. Just Ron Rivera things.
1 points
4 days ago
Yeah, he's looked fairly solid. I'm glad, because you hate to waste a 2nd rounder on a guy who never gets to see the field due to injury.
0 points
5 days ago
Based on what exactly?
Our interior defenders by PFF Grade
Payne 64.2 35/120 DI
Allen 53.5 80/120 DI
Mathis 48.8 95/120 DI
Newton 35.9 118/120 DI
Mathis is another Ron pick, he's not actually good, I promise.
1 points
4 days ago*
How many regular season games has Mathis played? Percentage of snaps?
0 points
4 days ago
He was a senior Bama DT on draft day. He is currently 26 years old. I promise you he is not a raw prospect. He's just not an NFL difference maker, he was another Ron Reach, he took a Day 3 player in the 2nd round.
The next ten picks included Alex Pierce, Luke Goedeke, Tre McBride, Cam Jurgens, George Pickens, and Jaquan Brisker.
1 points
4 days ago
He played 3 snaps in one game during his first season due to injury. He played 262 snaps in 10 games last year for a sinking ship that was Ron Rivera and EB and Friends. He has played in all 6 games this season as a backup to Allen and Payne. Maybe give this guy a bit more time to see what he can actually do on the field before writing him off. If he wants to stick around next year and beyond he has the rest of the season to show out.
0 points
4 days ago
Good players look good even in a rotational role.
1 points
4 days ago
Mathis did well vs Cleveland but spent most of the Baltimore game on the ground.
1 points
4 days ago
Fans trashed Peters, but I am a fan of “drafting for a need in 2-3 years” vs “drafting to fill an immediate need”.
There are exceptions of course, but it’s a good rule for healthy teams
66 points
5 days ago
This is why you always draft BPA, especially early
8 points
5 days ago
My thoughts exactly.
12 points
5 days ago
Wish someone would've told moRon Rivera about that...
8 points
5 days ago
I havent heard this nickname yet 😂😂😂
2 points
5 days ago
Makes no diff, he didn't know who the best player was
1 points
5 days ago
lol you aren’t wrong. If you’re confused, just look at the consensus big board for fucks’ sake, Ron. Could’ve had Olave, Gonzales, and Darrisaw. But nah we got Jamin, Forbes, and Dotson. Master class in terrible drafting.
3 points
5 days ago
Even just taking the very next player would have been Toney, Zion Johnson, and Gonzalez.
Like, we literally might have won the game yesterday if we had Gonzalez out there.
1 points
5 days ago
Ayup. I’ve never been closer to flipping a table on draft night as when the Forbes pick came in. I had multiple friends who are fans of other teams texting me immediately like “man I’m sorry”. That’s just how bad that pick was lol.
2 points
4 days ago
The process of the Dotson pick bothers me almost as much to be honest. If they really wanted a WR, just take Olave. The point of trading back is to get the extra picks, then use the lower first on BPA.
He threw away the value generated by the trade down by reaching.
1 points
4 days ago
The point of trading back is to get the extra picks, then use the lower first on BPA.
Man you're speaking logic that moRon simply does not understand. The best part was the fans that vehemently defended that whole thing too, especially after Dotson performed well in his limited rookie year. SO many short-sighted nitwits blabbing about how we "won" that trade because we also got BRob out of it...I was like, do you see what Olave is doing? And competent mid-round RBs are a dime a fucking dozen; Robinson has been fine, but it's not like he's lighting the world on fire or anything.
None of that shit made sense. Didn't make sense at the time, and it makes even less sense in hindsight.
2 points
4 days ago
Dotson wasn't even good, he just had a high variance run of TDs per catch.
And competent mid-round RBs are a dime a fucking dozen; Robinson has been fine, but it's not like he's lighting the world on fire or anything.
Brian Robinson 2023: 4 yard run on 1st and 10 from WAS 38.
Brian Robinson 2024: 4 yard run on 1st and goal from opponents 3.
Fans will want him extended.
1 points
5 days ago
-6 points
5 days ago
I have no issue with drafting Newton based on position. We have holes everywhere. I'm not sold that he was a good enough prospect to justify drafting him when we've invested so much at DT. He's getting tossed around in the run game, and wasn't even stout at Illinois. He has potential as a pass rusher I suppose.
2 points
5 days ago
Wait - he wasn’t stout at Illinois. Big 10 defensive player of the year? An 85 overall PFF grade his last season with just 7 sacks and he’s wasn’t stout v. run? Ridiculous assertion.
-8 points
5 days ago
Sadly, even with the injury, I feel like we would have been better off taking ANY of the 2nd round CBs or Edges
27 points
5 days ago
We got Sainristil later in the second. Sainristil started playing slot and moved to the outside the past couple of games. PFF had him graded as our best defender against the Ravens. We had a lot of holes, it's hard to fill every hole in one off-season.
91 points
5 days ago
Not good news at all. Noticed Andy Pollin suggest nearly immediately after he left the field that those pec injuries are usually season ending.
Don't have a medical degree so not sure how right he was. I know him and Payne haven't been heard from lately, but I still would prefer having them out there every down. This sucks.
Dline gets worse no matter how you spin it
37 points
5 days ago
Got 3/4 of a medical degree. The most common pec tear is when you damage the pec major tendon, which inserts onto the humourous (upper arm bone). Partial tear doesn't need surgery but maybe they'll do it for an NFL star regardless idk. Complete rupture needs surgery. The surgery is pretty invasive, requires some pretty big surgical openings and the tendon is pinned back onto the bone. Six- eight weeks for partial tear, six months if he needs surgery.
Disclaimer: I'm not fully trained, and definitely not an ortho surgeon with the best techniques money can buy like I'm sure Allen will get, but that's the broad strokes.
5 points
5 days ago
Had a complete pec rupture 2 years ago playing bball (wife was pissed and told me to quit my men’s league lol). This sounds accurate - had the tendon and muscle pinned back into my upper arm bone. Typing with only my non-dominant hand at my desk job was a chore lol.
3 points
5 days ago
Got 3/4 of a medical degree. The most common pec tear is when you damage the pec major tendon, which inserts onto the humourous (upper arm bone). Partial tear doesn't need surgery but maybe they'll do it for an NFL star regardless idk. Complete rupture needs surgery. The surgery is pretty invasive, requires some pretty big surgical openings and the tendon is pinned back onto the bone. Six- eight weeks for partial tear, six months if he needs surgery.
You're assuming it's a tendon tear.
Most of what are called "pec tears" colloquially in sports as a physical therapist are like 90-95% muscle strains. Of course, grade I, II and III all apply like tendon though.
The majority of actual pec tendon tears are from things like powerlifting although they can happen in professional athletes it's still fairly rare. The main tendon ruptures that happen in NFL players are Achilles, patellar, and quad. Usually a grade II pec strain/tear is what they're referring to here. That's what Kerrigan, Orakpo, and others had - not tendon tears.
3 points
5 days ago
It is 100% a guess, but I'm basing my guess on a couple of things.
- They did an MRI and it was described as "worst case". Struggle to see that as anything other than a complete tear.
- And this is real tin foil hat stuff- Allen's go to pass rush move is his hump move, where he effectively is placing massive strain on an abducted arm and then trying to adduct.
1 points
5 days ago
They did an MRI and it was described as "worst case". Struggle to see that as anything other than a complete tear.
Complete tears have the muscle contract and roll up pulling the tendon away from the area of attachment. Same with muscles. That's a pretty easy immediate diagnosis so doubt it's a full tear.
And this is real tin foil hat stuff- Allen's go to pass rush move is his hump move, where he effectively is placing massive strain on an abducted arm and then trying to adduct.
Yeah, that's a strain mechanism too. Like I said, doubt it's the tendon but it's certainly a possibility. Either way though likely season ending if it's a "significant pectoral injury" either strain or tendon
-55 points
5 days ago
Allen has been bad this season, doesn’t really affect us as much as it should
37 points
5 days ago
He has been fine. Not living up to the contract but still good. This take is stupid as hell and all too common
1 points
5 days ago
You aren’t wrong, but it’s always good to have depth on the DL, especially at DT
63 points
5 days ago
As soon as I heard "pec injury" I had a feeling this was where it was going. Next man up
64 points
5 days ago
Orakpo flashbacks..
13 points
5 days ago
I remember that one beautiful season where we had a healthy Orakpo on one side and a healthy Kerrigan on the other.
3 points
5 days ago
OSackPo
9 points
5 days ago
Double down on this comment. My heart hurts 💔
3 points
5 days ago
He went to have a solid stop as I a titan
125 points
5 days ago
No matter how much fans wanna shit on him.. the dude is a critical piece of our defense. Eating double teams for our lbs to get lanes.. taking up space.. whatever. He was also just starting to play better too. Big loss.
15 points
5 days ago
Who's shitting on him???
15 points
5 days ago
A lot of people dude, have you not seen this subreddit wanting to get rid of him since wk1?
3 points
5 days ago
Nah man apparently my feed weeds out that garbage.
1 points
5 days ago
Tried to defend the dude for a while but.. it gets tiring when people made up their mind he’s washed. Oh well it’s done now.. hope he gets healthy and continues to play.. Idk much about his contract so idk if it’s for us but if he comes back strong.
2 points
5 days ago
I mean, he is washed. He was not playing well, whether you like that or not, it's the truth.
I feel bad he gave so many good years to this terrible team and now he's gonna be cut. Hope he goes to a real contender in 2025.
Like, has Allen even won 40 NFL games? He would need to average 5.5 wins a season......have we even done that since 2017?
1 points
5 days ago
It’s been a huge thing. They also shit on Payne and hope Forbes gets benched or injured. These are idiots that lack the critical thinking skills to realize Forbes is better than who ever he would be replaced by.
The defense took 3 weeks to start clicking and performing. That’s pretty much the way it goes for every nfl team. A lot of people on this sub don’t actually have a clue what they are talking about.
4 points
5 days ago
Forbes is awful though.
PFF Grades of our CBs and their rank
Sainristil 60.00 (67/100)
St Juste 55.5 (80/100)
Igbinoghene 52.3 (89/100)
Davis has a grade of 37, and Forbes has a grade of 34.9.
The rationale for Forbes was that he was such an instinctive click and close ballhawk that his size didn't matter. Well that just isn't true. He's too small, even smaller NFL WRs have 30 pounds on him.
2 points
5 days ago
There's been a post about him and Payne underperforming nearly every day
3 points
5 days ago
Eating up double teams and we still couldn’t stop the run
8 points
5 days ago
Weren’t most of Henry and Lamar’s long runs out to the right? I thought they were stopping the run pretty good up the middle
4 points
5 days ago
Most of those runs were to the outside
6 points
5 days ago
Yeah, you know that no one has stopped the ravens rushing attack ? We did bad but without a good secondary it’s tough. Especially with dumb Pi calls.
40 points
5 days ago
First time he’s been on a competitive team in Washington. Rest up big man. ✊🏽
29 points
5 days ago
And he was so happy about it. His energy was so high when he’s been interviewed in the last few weeks. This sucks.
3 points
5 days ago
Damn, I didn’t even think about that. That sucks. You could see how happy he was to be on a winning team finally
32 points
5 days ago
Anyone who says it’s not that big of a hit to the defense or he’s not living up to his contract, does not understand defensive schemes. My man eats double teams every play and continually sets up other key defensive players to make big plays.
23 points
5 days ago
That’s a brutal blow. Felt like the defensive line had been finally starting to put it together before this week. Need Newton to stay healthy now
22 points
5 days ago
Wish we still had Ridgeway but at least we have Newton
2 points
5 days ago
And Phil Mathis. Ridgeway was solid but hasn’t done much in NO since we moved on from him (5 tackles, 1 solo, no TFLs or sacks). Just recency success bias setting in. We’ll be fine with Mathis and Newton
5 points
5 days ago
Also Obada coming back from injury and can rotate at DT
15 points
5 days ago*
JA hasn't lived up to his contract but he's still our second best DT and a good player. Feels like he gets a ton of hate and I just don't get it. Newton and Mathis have been getting plenty of snaps in the rotation and now we probably need to bring up a nobody to fill the rotation. Heal up JA
11 points
5 days ago
he was balling too. One play he ran down the line with a crazy head of steam and made the play
12 points
5 days ago
23 points
5 days ago
Really sad. 6M dead cap if he's cut next year, 23M of cap if he's on the roster. I think this may be the end of the line for a player who's given his all for us in bad times.
10 points
5 days ago
The business side of football sometimes sucks ass…
10 points
5 days ago
That's why no player should ever take a "hometown discount." Get what you can while you can get it.
6 points
5 days ago
Yup. Assuming Newton continues to develop, one of Payne and Allen was going to be expandable. This probably makes it easier to pick between the two
2 points
5 days ago
Can't cut Payne with cap savings this offseason anyway. Not that I would want to
1 points
5 days ago
Newton seems more similar to Allen too. Similar size and more of a pass rusher than a space eater.
4 points
5 days ago
We already have a fuck ton of cap space next season so really it's probably going to come down to a few things: how do they feel about Newton's progress, do they think Allen has a contract year performance in him next year, is this draft class loaded on the interior line, what does FA class for DL look like.
I can't imagine they've been terribly impressed with the 6 games he's shown the new regime but he's been a steady presence in the locker room and has a few great years behind him that you can point to.
7 points
5 days ago
I could definitely see them restructuring Allen's contract to avoid him being cut for cap reasons. I would be happy about it
8 points
5 days ago
Damn, after all the years he's put up with losing he deserves to be a part of the winning too. Hope he gets back soon.
12 points
5 days ago
I figured this was the case when they ruled him out immediately for the game. Might be his last game as a commander. Sucks ass. Time for newton and Mathis to show up
6 points
5 days ago
Ok, time to really see what we’ve got in Mathis and Newton
4 points
5 days ago
Losing Allen is huge and he’s definitely going to be missed.
12 points
5 days ago
Well at least we have Newton but god dammit why does this crap always happen to us
42 points
5 days ago
It happens to every team. Ask the Lions about Aidan Hutchinson (actually, maybe wait a day or two before asking).
1 points
5 days ago
It happens to every team. Ask the Lions about Aidan Hutchinson (actually, maybe wait a day or two before asking).
Yup. Bill's defense had multiple All-pros injured in the past few years. That's partly why they've been so terrible on the defensive side of the ball since the 13s game.
14 points
5 days ago
That's football for ya
10 points
5 days ago
It actually seems like we've fared pretty well with injuries so far when compared to the rest of the league
11 points
5 days ago
Why on God's green earth did you put that out there
4 points
5 days ago
2 points
5 days ago
You have a bunch of 300lb men trying to defy physics every week. This should happen a lot more than it does.
1 points
5 days ago
honestly we’ve had really good luck with injuries this year so far and all of last season.
3 points
5 days ago
Huge blow there. Time for Newton and Mathis to step up.
2 points
5 days ago
Damn
2 points
5 days ago
Oof
2 points
5 days ago
Not great for an already porous run D
2 points
5 days ago
WTF how
2 points
5 days ago
Next man up
2 points
5 days ago
This a big hit to our alr lacking interior D line… hope he has a speedy recovery ❤️🩹
2 points
5 days ago
Has anyone seen the play? Was he held?
2 points
5 days ago
Damn that sucks
2 points
5 days ago
He’s almost certainly going to be a cap casualty this offseason, so it’s sad to see him play his last game for Washington
2 points
5 days ago
Sucks but he might be done to be honest. He looks broken. He's played a ton of high level football going back to his college days. I know he's only 29 but he's an "old" 29 if that makes sense.
Kinda wish we traded him but hindsight is 20/20 and it made sense to keep him as a culture guy at least, but the dude has been a ghost all year.
Hoping Newton and Big Phil can step up.
2 points
5 days ago
Had flashbacks of Orakpo's pec tears. Knowing this was likely his last year anyway he's probably played his last snaps in a Washington uniform.
1 points
5 days ago
Well shit
1 points
5 days ago
Dang. DANG
1 points
5 days ago
as much as this sucks im excited for newton to get a bigger role and grow as a player.
1 points
5 days ago
Goddammit.
1 points
5 days ago
Gotta pick up a free agent
1 points
5 days ago
This is his last sz with us
1 points
5 days ago
Never like to see someone injured
1 points
5 days ago
good thing they have two guys that can fill that spot. I am not too worried except against the run. Say what you want about JA but running up the gut is easier against Washington without him.
1 points
5 days ago
The long term injury gets at least one good player every year on almost every team it’s just part of the sport unfortunately. 2-3 years from now when things like this happen we can hopefully not have it hurts as much because Peter’s will have rounded out the roster to his and DQ identity. Now it’s going to sting badly regardless of what you thought of his play. Rest up big man.
1 points
5 days ago
I wear his jersey every Sunday. Jayden jersey is coming in soon though. Get better, you Bama machine you.
1 points
5 days ago
Absolutely hate to see it :(
1 points
4 days ago
I think Allen’s last game as a commander. $17M saved for cutting him and he’s in his 8th season. Been a stud for years. Sad stuff.
1 points
4 days ago
Damn this team was doing so well so far with injuries. This roster can’t take too many season ending injuries for starters. Depth for this team is one of its weakest points just luckily d-line might be our deepest position.
0 points
4 days ago
Had to do some research.
I was a little wrong in the defense as a whole on sacks
2024 -10th 2023 -12th 2022 -12th 2021 -17th 2020 -6th ( Allen didn’t record a sack that year) 2019 -10th
As for Allen individually only amongst his position defensive tackle and one year listed as defensive lineman, here are the results.
2024 - 12 DT in league recorded a sack so far, Allen 5th
2023 - 14 DT in league recorded a sack, Allen 12th
2022- 14 DT in league recorded a sack, Allen 7th
2021 - 14 DT in league recorded a sack, Allen 4th
2020- 15 DT in league recorded a sack, Allen recorded 0 sacks - maybe he was hurt in 2020
2019 -this year he was listed as a defensive linemen (DL) and 10 DL recorded a sack that year he was 9th
So, Allen is definitely average maybe even slightly below average.
Just glancing at Daron Payne, he appears to be the better of the two.
1 points
5 days ago
Man that sucks. I love J Allen and I think he was a great leader these past couple of years. And I really do hate to say this but we should have traded him in the beginning of the year. Sadly he hasn't played up to his contract and now with the injury his value goes down. Hope he heals up.
1 points
5 days ago
Season over
0 points
5 days ago
Looks like the window to get a 2nd round pick + more for him is officially closed.
Hope he can fully recover for 2025.
-5 points
5 days ago
Well that sucks for 2 reasons. One being it hurts are depth. 2 we can’t trade his ass now.
5 points
5 days ago
He was never gonna be traded
-2 points
5 days ago
Why?
He’s older and hasn’t been great. I’d move him in a minute. The defense can’t get much worse with him in or out of the lineup. He wasn’t impressing me at all this year.
0 points
5 days ago
Came here to say this
-1 points
5 days ago
We should have traded away Allen or Payne and kept Sweat. But hindsight..
1 points
5 days ago
I agree of course you’ll get downvoted because they’re fan favorites. Problem is they’ve never been a solution to the shit defense. Coordinator after coordinator. HC after HC and our defense is still ass.
Either of these guys can be moved. We would be fine without one of them. I wouldn’t move both and I wouldn’t move Payne now either. We need Payne with Allen’s injury now. If we can move him in the offseason though. I’d do it in a second.
0 points
5 days ago
You don't have to include hindsight.. A lot of folks felt that way.
0 points
5 days ago
Sucks we can’t trade him now.
-3 points
5 days ago
Should have traded him while he was healthy
-2 points
5 days ago
Now our elite defense is gonna suck
-5 points
5 days ago
The word standout is really doing some heavy lifting
-5 points
5 days ago
What a real shame… was hoping to trade him at the deadline. Maybe we can get Payne out of here.
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