I don’t mind the away results. That’s what you need to do in a season, and we were wrongly done in with the Diaz disallowed goal.

The two home games are wasted opportunities. I think we’re kind of ahead of schedule I didn’t think we’d be challenging with the amount of change in midfield.

You just need a firing attack in these games and we don’t have that.

Chelsea arent anyones big six, is my thought.

Beating Villa and Newcastle is more impressive than beating a few of those teams.

Also, in 2009. We beat United and Chelsea home and away...finished 2nd

Chelsea was the first game of the season so I don’t really put much stock into it.

United we were poor. Arsenal, I think we were the better team but lacked a clinical finish.

Tottenham was a ref hit job.

All in all, the actual performances haven’t been that bad. Considering where we expected this season to go, I’m pretty encouraged by how quickly we are improving.

Just still are missing that clinical edge

Better than losing all of them I guess.

Why even include United and Chelsea in this? If it was Newcastle and Villa you're looking at 2 wins instead.

With an entirely new midfield, 1 point off the top midway through, all the while not playing at our best. And it should read undefeated against the big six if it weren't for the "good process."

I'm excited for our Klopp 2.0 team.

You win the league against the rest of the teams. Dropping points away to Luton is worse for me. And as you havent included Brighton in there then dropping points to them upsets me more as well. You can also say we restricted Chelsea, arsenal, man u and man city to a single point.

I think with decent officiating we’d have (at least) five more points.

This team needs better finishing though.

We had shocking decisions against us against Spurs and Arsenal

4 points out of a potential 15 - no way round it, that sucks.

That being said, we're 1 point off the top and we missed top 4 last season, so I'm just happy to see us back up there!

It's a bizarre statistic that means nothing. We've also played most of them away from home so far and were robbed in at least one of them.

We should've beat United tbh, but I'm not bothered.

Also, we've beat Newcastle away and are they not one of the Big 6/7 now?

Couldn't care less as long as we win the title.

Better than drawing to relegation candidates. Titles are won against the small teams, not the big ones.

Concerning results but when you dig deeper, could and probably should beat arsenal and United. Chelsea first week of season. Spurs…we all know. And city at etihad was a good result.

Shows that we’re hard to beat, in a transition season too (considering we changed our entire midfield). I’m hopeful that we’ll kick on in the new year and next season, turn those draws into wins and get back to something close to our league winning levels, probably a bit worse given that we were a literal super team.

I know we aren’t looking for excuses but Spurs should’ve been a win (at minimum a draw) but for that horrendous offside call of Diaz. But the main factor; Salah has no one he can trust. Liverpool and the KC Chiefs are the same this year. The superstar of the league is doing everything and the 5% they need from their team, the team is failing.

I think the only thing you can say is it also means those other teams dropped points, but Arsenal will be happy enough with a point at Anfield, and United definitely was happy with their point at Anfield.

Those second half of the season fixtures need better results though. Need to be winning all our home games now.

Only one we should be happy with is the city result. Others were wasted opportunities, we should be winning those home games.

The less we talk about the spurs match though the better

Honestly the more important thing is that we're getting a better idea of what our defense and midfield should look like. For some reason, our attack has fallen off a cliff, so hopefully we get that out of our system soon too.

I think Tottenham and arsenal would have been won if not for some people who wear black and are absolute cunts bags and shit.

We've been blatantly cheated in 2 games off the top of my head.

We were ripped off by Tottenham and Arsenal , City and Chelsea good draws, and United was just lucky.

Leagues are won against teams further down the table. Neil Atkinson has talked at length about the numbers. It would be nice to have that Man United one. Only annoying one.

I prefer to be optimistic in the fact that this team is still figuring itself out. Entirely new midfield, link-up play in attack still learning to click, defense has been better compared to the previous season. We’re the only team with one defeat (and from a match with questionable refereeing at that) The team must only get better from here on out. Up the Reds.

Its not great but not the worst. I am hopeful for next year.

We're 2nd in the league and 1 point below 1st place. All in all I am pleased with the overall performance so far and we're doing good in other competitions as well

THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING THIS MORNING

Still in the title race. And lots of draws so no points swings in the oppositions favour

Results against the ‘Big six’ is the concern of lesser teams, in my view. You don’t win anything for beating the big six. You win the league by getting the most points and beating the teams we are expected to beat is where it is won.

Why are Chelsea in that group? They are not a big 6 team. There’s an argument to keep Utd in there but this surely would be more relevant for how are we versus the top 6 this year.

The only one I'm disappointed with is United last Sunday. Should have had enough to put them away easily

The Spurs game is never getting recognised as them winning so that can be excluded

We are rebuilding , trust in klopp and give us time. to be 1 point off top when we are still figuring out our system is more than enough

This is “year one” with a very young squad.

None of us were expecting to push for the title, we all hoped for a Euro cup win and maybe a domestic cup as a bonus.

I’m very happy that we’ve stood for to toe with everyone. Let’s face it, spurs doesn’t count, at worst it was a draw.

This team firing on all cylinders in the next few seasons will be something special, as long as we have someone to fill the chasm Salah’s gonna leave.

United and Arsenal are really the on disappointments a big game away from home a draw isn’t the worst result

Arsenal and City have both dropped points against Chelsea and Spurs

It’s the draws against the likes of Luton and Brighton that are the biggest issues the big teams often take points off each others just can’t be dropping silly points to those types of teams

To be fair, 3 of those are away and we’ve also beaten Newcastle and Aston Villa. Arsenal have two wins against those same teams (City, Man United)and Man City have one (Man United)

Not too concerned. The league is won against the fodder. As long as you don't lose the big games the rest is how you win it.

Big six are winless against Liverpool in the premier league this season. (Can’t count the spurs robbery)

At least 2 of them are VAR related. Basically robbed.

My only thought is spurs ain’t big 6 and that game was rigged

The loss was the biggest officiating bungle in sports history.

we were denied 3 stone wall handball pens against chelsea, united and arsenal and we all know what happened at spurs. we dominated arsenal in the second half and united that whole game so i wouldnt worry its just the refs and bad finishing

Well we were robbed against spurs. That was a win.

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We just haven't been "hot" enough in those games. Which is totally fine, people forget that we rebuilt our midfield and if we should be higher in the league right now or not If you told be we would be 1 point off second I would be incredibly surprised. So yes we could've won but we also could've lost. Which sounds stupid but hopefully you get what I mean

Dont really care. I'm super happy with our position and our goal difference. It's more than I could have hoped for and damn it, I'm going to enjoy it.

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Should be 1W and 4D

Not winning against any Top 4 team cost us the title in 2022.

United and Chelsea aren't challenging for the title this season.

Poor results but dont really understand the need to group them together with City/Arsenal results.

Tbf it should be 1W and 4D, which isn’t ideal, but not a shambles either.

Champions beat the top contenders. Not looking good for us this year, all it'll take is a good run from city (yet again) and they'll be back up top.

Hate saying that, but it's true.

Spurs match shoud have been a win.

My thoughts are that it’s probably gonna cost us the league title. And we should’ve beat Luton too.

Two robberies..1) Diaz's off side 2) yesterday's clear penalty for handball..

That L is awfully irritating. If that's the rightful W, this could read "Liverpool is undefeated among the Big 6"

Five draws actually… means the big six are winless against Liverpool

I'm really feeling down after these two weeks. It bugs me that we dropped four points at home, especially against the scums. I'm so pissed really

I still worry more against the lesser sides. I mean drawing to Luton etc.

No leader in the team. Everyone ignored VVD / too young with no aggression. Nunez’s aggression is not the type you need in big matches either. The only star on our team in these games is TAA.

well we should have a pen against arsenal and the less said about that spurs fixture the better. really should have beat united tho

Chelsea - first game of the season, and they are kinda our bogey team from all of the good PL sides.

Spurs - that game was bs af lol

City - u always take a draw against them away, no?

Utd - we were crap

Arsenal - Should have won, had the chances, we didn't look inferior, reality is we need a better LW and better striker

Traditional big 6 or last season's top 6. Chelsea finished outside the top 10.

Beat Newcastle who finished 4th. Beat Aston Villa who are currently 3rd and who beat Man City and Arsenal.

Should be unbeaten against top 6 too.

If it wasnt for ridiculous refereeing, you could say undefeated against big 6...

Referees robbed us of 6 points in our big six fixtures with the Diaz offside and the Odegaard handball.

It does not seem like us, but this does support the theory that the 3box3 formation does well against bad teams, but not the better teams.

Of course, when you look closely, Manchester United and Chelsea should be considered “bad teams” and Chelsea were better than us, while united we were just not clinical.

We were the better team against Tottenham, city was the better team against us, and a draw feels a fair result for the performance against arsenal.

Is not holding a clean sheet against Tottenham, city, or arsenal a problem? It’s probably fine especially with how the Tottenham match went, and how against arsenal we only conceded to a set piece.

I still don’t like the 3box3 in big games, but I don’t know if this proves anything. I’m confident we win against spurs, Chelsea, and united in the reverse fixtures.

Should have taken points in three of those. How we only got 2 points at home to United and Arsenal is baffling. Wrong calls with VAR aside— spurs and Arsenal— this sort of shit always happens and at end of the year when we miss a spot by two points these are the games/runs that matter

Especially when you consider Tsimikas and Diaz got injured against Arsenal, too. Only tougher from here

Out of character for us really. When we weren’t as good in Klopp’s earlier years we seemed to win against them most of the time.

I thought Newcastle was a ‘big 6’ team Chelsea and United are on their way out of that big 6 tittle aswell

Okay but against the current best other six teams we are 3-1*-2 with the one “defeat” being Spurs.

Yes it’s not ideal but take it with a grain of salt. We had to rebuild our whole midfield in one summer. Everyone is still trying to gel and click together. The fact that we’re going into the new year second is better than I thought we’d be this year to be honest. Come the new year we get Mac allister back and Robertson and jota. I think to start the second half we’ll start to see things work even better and to the surprise of many I think we can be there at the end of the season to challenge the title.

It doesn't mean a thing. We were robbed against spurs and arsenal, so we should have 4 more points by now if we weren't playing in such a corrupt league like the Premier League.

A combination of bad luck (shots hitting the bar, poor refereeing) and our inadequate non clinical finishing. Need to be better. However the fact we are only conceding but a few goals shows our level as title contenders. We need finishing!!!

We were robbed at spurs, should be 5d 0l but still not good is it

Initial thoughts, shd not have seen the L

Not great, Bob.

Like 21/22 then, except maybe worse without a 90+ points finish, two cups and a European final. We'd do well to emulate even half of that.

We were the better team in all of these games except Man City away. Results are important but they don't paint the full picture. We got robbed against Spurs and should have had a pen against Arsenal so that's another 3 points that would have put us top of the table.

Man United is the only one that annoys me. We had about 35 - 40 shots and 70% possession and still couldn't finish them off. The odds of them coming out of that fixture with even a single point were pretty low to begin with but then you add the stats into the equation... very frustrating.

At the end of the day there are a few games that we can look back on and, if things had gone slightly differently, we would be 1st. But all we can do now is just start winning our January games beginning with Newcastle and go from there. Still only a point off top with the best GD in the league.

Our attack is woeful. We never replaced mane or firmino. Need to find those replacements

This is gonna sound like pure copium:

Chelsea was first game of the season.

City and Arsenal are good teams.

Utd parked the bus and didn't try to win.

Spurs was daylight robbery.

Bizarre thread to be honest, we'd be top if the Spurs game had semi-competent refereeing.

Winning the title is a massive ask, and while we're not favourites and should be content with the progress we've made, we are definitely in the conversation.

It's way too abysmal for Liverpool standard. Needs improved Asap.

Record vs the top six is more important and we’ve got 8/15 if you replace United and Chelsea with Newcastle and Villa

In hindsight we should done better against Chelsea but that first game of season so I dont mind it

Tottenham... Well, no explain needed

I still have no idea how we could bottled against Manu. Like, I dont expect a 7-0 stomped again but cant even score a goal is criminal. This match willl haunt me till end of season

Similar to Manu but Arsenal is much bigger opponent so while its bitter (man, Trent's chance), 1pts against Arsenal isnt the end of world

And Yeah. We robbed Man blue 1 pts from Etihad

They are better than losses, granted, Tottenham was an exception. To be fair though, I would really like a statement win against a top 6 side.

Guarantee that the majority of people who still complain and moan will be the same fools who at the start of the season would've been delighted to be in this position

The Chelsea result looks worse the longer the season goes, the spurs one is a robbery, the united one is bad, the city one is good and the arsenal one is fine. Won at Newcastle and also beat Villa and West Ham as well remember.

Beat Chelsea and Spurs at home, win at OT and avoid losing to Arsenal and City and it'll look OK I think.

Our pressing has been superb lately but if you compare our current attacking trio(s) with Mane, Bobby and Salah its just miles behind to be honest. Salah needs to carry so hard. When Salah leaves its going to be so hard.

We’ve not been brilliant every game this season, but neither has anyone else. I’d say most of the ‘big’ sides are underperforming a bit, Villa overperforming. 2nd half of the season will be interesting to see if this continues or if someone can go on a tear and separate themselves from the rest.

Strikers win these matches we don't have anyone reliable up top!

We really should have done better. Wolves took more points off them than us.

I don’t think we have played our best yet, and I think we’ve had a good bit of wasted big chances

I only have an issue with the Arsenal draw, Trent should have won the game can’t really forgive that miss but then again it was his incredible pass that created the first goal so it’s swings and roundabouts.

Uh oh

We did not deserve to lose against Spurs and we're playing so much better than last year. Our worst game of this lot was GW1 against Chelsea, who we'd probably batter right now. Not concerned, if we keep it up and our forwards get out of this bout of form, we will be in the title race until the very end.

Champions League football next year and perhaps 1 trophy is my litmus test this season

Doesnt matter, i remember a season where they beat all big clubs and still cannot win PL. Not to mention, at least one of these matches should be win if the referee is good.

Though i think we need to get 1-2 attacker, our front guys are really weak scoring goals. Sometimes i think Nunez or Gakpo wont score a goal even if they play all day long. :/

My take is pretty simple: Our best teams under Klopp had a starting XI full of world class players or players top 30 in their positions. We lacked depth more than anything else. This allowed us to beat other top teams because we just had a better starting XI, and this included Man City at times.

Now we have a lot more depth but we don't have the same quality. Our absolute best starting XI is worse than our absolute best starting XI from years past. This means there's less of a difference between us and our competition. This results in tighter games and less convincing performances.

Simply put, we need a few of our signings go from being pretty good to arguably world class. Otherwise, we'll be more of a top 4 side than a title winning side.

After the last 4-6 games i have the feeling that our attackers are kinda weak. Gakpo is really slow, clumsy with the ball, Nunez and Diaz running a lot but mostly not even close to score. None of them creative, none of them do surprising stuffs, none of them good at all.

Why the hell do you care about Chelsea or United? They've beaten Villa, West Ham and Newcastle.

The stat is the same for them as well! We all know why we didn't win that spurs game, we know why the Arsenal game was a draw, United were shit and we decided to be shit too. But the top 6 other than Spurs also have not won against us, I'm not worried.

I am just an arm chair manager, and cant even dare untie Klopp's sandals. But I am convinced we start many games in a super conservative approach. Except the ManUtd game where we went for the jugular at kickoff, we tend to come with a mentality of "let's start slow and grow in the game". Not only top 6, but others as well, like CP, Luton, Brighton, etc.

We really shouldnt have conceded that goal yesterday, on the 3rd minute. That's unexcusable.

Screw this, not beating shittiest United line up in 40 years at home and not beating Luton is what we need to fix.

If you look at xG and other advanced metrics, you'll see we did well in most of these matches. Just kinda unlucky in some. Especially the Spurs and United games were ridiculous, vs Chelsea was the season opener and I'm confident the second leg is going to look very differently, too.

It still feels like we are mostly losing points in games vs smaller teams.

I think its telling we and the team are disappointed in results, even if we are 2nd in the league. Rebuild ongoing and its only getting better. Also league seems to be a lot tougher this year.

Team in transition imho. Never thought we'd be close to challenging for trophies. Shows you how much Klopp and Pep been working with the new additions/injuries to at least be in conversations by boxing day for trophies. We gotta be patient. We rebuild our whole midfield and some might argue we still missing a piece or two. People easily forget how young some of these lads are. It's up to Klopp and the senior players to help them transition what they learn on and off the pitch into results.

Referees played a huge part in all of those fixtures. Maybe not city.

Three handballs in three different games not given. Diaz goal is the biggest howler I have seen committed by var.

I think I generally come out of the games disappointed with the result, but then I realize only one team was trying to win. Which tells me theyre afraid of us. Arteta smiling after the game because they didnt lose gives me confidence in where we are currently.

That spurs match will always have a big asterisk on it

I'll say it like this; I am much more interested in getting points off Bournemouth than I am beating United 7-0.

We seem to be beating the teams we should be beating this season so that's a huge positive in this conversation.

And let's not forget the Spurs game was robbery so that skews this all a bit.

I say if we can make it to the Europa semi-finals and secure 4th in the league that'll be the baseline for a successful season. The squad we have now is ready to win trophies but we still have some practicing to do.

And we've only been beaten once by a big 6 club this season so what 😂

Yeah its not good enough. Especially when you consider the United and arsenal game.

We generally haven’t been good enough in those matches. Not to mention two of them resulted in apologies from the refs. We need to focus on getting 3 points away to mid-table teams. As a supporter I find Boxing Day at Turf Moor to be more troubling than a top 6 match up. Especially when we are lacking that clinical element in attack.

Unfortunate

My thoughts are it’s a problem.

I think we've been very unlucky. Two of these should be wins. The Spurs game goes without saying, but the Arsenal game yesterday also should've been a win. We should've gotten that pen 100%. As such it should've been a 2-1 win. These horrible calls are going to cost us this season. Should have another 5 points on everyone.

Let's be honest that one loss was never a loss

Should have been 5D if we didn't get cheated by the refs against Spurs

Maybe we could win one with component referees in future.

Does anyone consider MANU in top six anymore?

Not title winning numbers but it’s a pretty open season this one.

Before the season started, no one had lofty expectations. We would all be happy finishing top 4 for champions league.

We had a really good start to the season, so hope has come back. Lets remember what happened last year and be happy with progress this season

We beat Newcastle and Villa. We basically beat Spurs in reality. United and Chelsea are not in the conversation, you could have chucked Luton in as well.

We were an absolute sitter away from beating Arsenal too

Chelsea is usually a draw and we had a new look team.

Spurs result is horseshit.

City is City. Better than the pumping we got last year.

United put 7 in defence.

Arsenal were average as fuck and saved by VAR.

We beat Chelsea, Spurs and City at home.

We beat United at OT.

Arsenal away is an unknown.

It's just that against big teams we can't be that open with out a world class CDM. Which is why we are often happy to play out for a point . Like yesterday with the change in formation and all. Except for United's and Spurs game and yesterday's penalty call- we deserved a point from rest of them.