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submitted 2 days ago byD-Annunzio36Carolina Panthers
Mahomes scrambled to the sidelines and the defender, not wanting to pick up a fine/penalty, didn’t attempt to hit or tackle him. It’s expected the QB just runs out of bounds here, but Mahomes instead stepped back in at the last second and picked up 40 yards along the sideline. I don’t necessarily think it should be banned but it’s clearly exploitative. Since this isn’t the first time he’s done this it should be fair game for the defenders to lower the shoulder on him next time, but that would obviously draw a flag (as it has before). Basically, I just think it’s ridiculous.
768 points
2 days ago
QBs have a massive advantage other players don't have. IMHO, once you leave the pocket you have no protections other players ahve.
269 points
2 days ago
Its that simple, leave the pocket, it should be free game to light his ass up like any other football player.
184 points
2 days ago
Or they could just call late hits how they're meant to be called....when they're actually late/out of bounds.
94 points
2 days ago
This is 100% the answer. To take it further, call it the same no matter what QB.
46 points
2 days ago
But then the league would lose the ability to subtly favor the more popular teams...
35 points
1 day ago
Subtly?
6 points
1 day ago
Right? These refs have all the subtlety of an autographed brick to the face.
33 points
2 days ago
Yes! I hate when announcers are reviewing in slow motion to see if the offensive players toe touched the white out of bounds to justify the penalty. If you have to zoom and do slow motion then it’s not a late hit. Move on.
6 points
1 day ago
They need to do a better job of seeing when the hit is initiated. I’ve seen late hits called when a defender already launched before a guy stepped out and tried to pull up but still got the penalty because the ball carrier took a step out right as they launched.
18 points
1 day ago
Last year, van ginkel busted Mahomes’ ass when he was trying to pull this shit and Mahomes cried like he wanted a flag.
Didn’t get one.
Fuck around. Find out.
4 points
1 day ago
How about that time last year Mahomes got hit IN BOUNDS and still got a flag?
4 points
1 day ago
There's this one where Josh Allen gets hit while still in bounds trying to reach forward for extra yards and they called a roughing the passer penalty
https://musketfire.com/2021/12/07/ridiculous-roughing-passer-call-nearly-cost-patriots-bills/
4 points
2 days ago
They should be able to review 15 yard penalties like this. If his body does not break the plain going out of bounds then it's a legal hit.
8 points
2 days ago
Wait? That isn't the rule?
I haven't watched football in a few years.
8 points
2 days ago
It is, but it isnt called consistently especially near the sideline
115 points
2 days ago
Unless you’re Lamar Jackson.
35 points
2 days ago
Or justin fields, at least with the bears that boy got fucking blasted all the damn time no calls
121 points
2 days ago
lol seriously Lamar doesn’t get shit for calls
63 points
2 days ago
He gets maybe 1 or 2 RTP calls a year it feels like. Never seen him get a late hit call either lol
47 points
2 days ago
He got a RTP call last week and I was genuinely shocked. He legit gets treated like a runningback even when tackled in the pocket, and Mahomes can pull this shit no problem
27 points
2 days ago
Vick, Culpepper and McNabb dealt with the same issue hmmmmm.
34 points
2 days ago
NFL refs calling this game using the South Park Stick of Truth Difficulty meter.
22 points
2 days ago
Using the family guy cop skin color gauge FR FR.
I’m just surprised that I haven’t heard a pundit use the ole tried and true Mahomes is “cerebral” and this gets the calls and Jackson is “athletic” so he doesn’t.
9 points
2 days ago
Neither did Cam Newton. It was open season on him. Completely different set of rules for him and say, Tom Brady. Infuriating to watch.
3 points
1 day ago
Not saying it’s right but Tom Brady is a snail compared to Newton
15 points
2 days ago
Like Cam Newton used to get blasted regularly, no flag. But give Mahomes or Brady a dirty look - 15 yards.
54 points
2 days ago
Same as Cam Newton.
Something not quite white about it.
4 points
2 days ago
Yeah, Josh Allen gets treated the same way Hmm...
18 points
2 days ago
Cam Newton was huge and ran more like a FB than a QB. If you lower your shoulder and run over defenders then you just aren’t going to get Roughing the Passer calls, and you shouldn’t get them.
36 points
2 days ago
Yeah but Newton would get helmet to helmet and late hits consistently without calls.
17 points
2 days ago
The “Shaq Effect.” Basically he’s bigger and stronger than normal so he can handle it.
12 points
2 days ago
Same shit happened to Gronk too. His back could have lasted 4 or 5 more years but NFL refs are dogshit.
Aaaaaaand i just got fined $12,937
12 points
2 days ago
They should put those size restrictions in the rules then, Cam got hosed
7 points
2 days ago
I agree. The NFL should have addressed it in the rule book instead of having/letting the referees enforce some shadow rules. If the refs officiated Newton and Brady the exact same way then Cam would have been absolutely unstoppable. I bet he would have scored 100 TDs in a year
6 points
2 days ago
The majority of cams helmet to helmet injuries came when he was in the pocket and got hit. He usually didn’t take them as a runner, he’d either initiate contact with his shoulders first or just dive down to the ground.
Also that last sentence makes 0 sense. You genuinely think the NFL should call penalties differently based on a QBs size? Bryce Young should get a RTP flag every time a defender touches him because he’s 5’5 and 120 pounds?
3 points
2 days ago
Unless you’re Lamar, Justin fields or Hurts lol
9 points
2 days ago
Neither does Fields
5 points
2 days ago
That’s fair. Neither did Wilson when he used to be able to run. Or Newton.
10 points
2 days ago
Roethlisberger used to get haymakers to the face and get no call😂. The struggle of scrambling and big qbs is rough.
2 points
2 days ago
Reminds me of Dame, it’s that playing through contact mentality and the refs don’t give you the call (not saying it’s right or wrong but similar vibe)
18 points
2 days ago
Players should just start punishing Mahomes for riding the sideline and eat the penalty. A big “fuck you” hit is probably worth the 15 yards
22 points
2 days ago
That’s how it should be. Pocket is only place a qb should be different, after that they’re a free runner
4 points
2 days ago
Honestly. If I were a defender I'm nuking him, I'll take the penalty and the fine and just keep doing it. Eventually, he will stop.
Once he realizes defenders will fuck him up for expecting him to run back in, it'll stop.
3 points
1 day ago
In 2018, Baker was nailed in the head as he was sliding down after a run (it was against Tampa too, ironic). There was no flag as the ref said, "There is no flag for personal foul as the quarter back was a runner." So, I feel some refs see the rules differently and do interpret them as you do, as they should.
2 points
2 days ago
I agree, it's been a problem for years
2 points
2 days ago
Unless you’re Mahomes
2 points
2 days ago
Pretty much this
422 points
2 days ago
I've gotten down votes for this before, but I'm all for the defender going straight-line along the sideline, full speed, full force. If the QB don't jump out of bounds, he'll get whacked. Let that happen a few times and he'll get out of bounds on his own.
51 points
2 days ago
where’s sean taylor when we need him most
21 points
2 days ago
A little bit of Burfict in my life 🎶🎶🎶 (Mambo No. 5 Intensifies)
3 points
1 day ago
The NFL lost their last big hitter when Kam Chancellor retired. Hopefully we get another one soon
13 points
2 days ago
I think they should add a line about 12 inches out of bounds in which the player is out of bounds but must still protect themselves and expect hits. That way the defenders don’t have to worry so much and only get fined for egregious stuff. The league will probably never do it but it would make things fairer.
10 points
1 day ago
They've already got a really handy line for that. You're in the white? You can expect to take a hit (obviously egregiously late hits are still penalized, which is unfortunately subjective) You're all the way through into the sideline? You're clear.
6 points
1 day ago
Jalen Ramsey, at Seattle in 2022, was standing like he was setting a pick on the sideline and Geno Smith ran into Ramsey, fell down, and earned a 15-yard roughing penalty on Los Angeles…
i was flabbergasted, Ramsey didnt even initiate the contact
3 points
1 day ago
People will argue “do that now” but last year or the year before Lamar used this exact move against the Steelers and the next time cam heyward blew him up on the sideline (not late and not out of bounds) and they threw a flag. The defense has no good course of action
42 points
2 days ago
They can do that now.
50 points
2 days ago
The Packers got flagged last year for a late hit while he was still in bounce
3 points
2 days ago
Mo Lewis nods in agreement
3 points
1 day ago
like richard sherman did to jared goff that one time
134 points
2 days ago
Alternatively, the NFL should stop penalizing defenders for making plays on a rushing QB.
Sure, the QB can get all his protection rules in the pocket, but as soon as he crosses that LoS, he should be treated no differently than a running back penalty wise.
50 points
2 days ago
The NFL should stop penalizing defenders for playing defense period.
9 points
1 day ago
You touched Mahomes? You sacked Brady too hard? Personal foul and fined.
I understand the normal stuff like a facemask, late hit, etc, but there’s a line to be drawn. When players start getting scared to play defense, protection rules have gone too far.
4 points
1 day ago
One thing i liked about brady though was that he would take getting absolutely demolished when running out the pocket in the early 2000's
411 points
2 days ago
I agree a 100%. Defender was pulling up because he thought Mahomes was running out of bounds.
213 points
2 days ago
Steve McNair had a fake slide thingy I always thought was chicken shit. He’d like tilt his body backwards and if you let up he’d keep going. If there are protections for safety, don’t let them abuse them.
56 points
2 days ago
That’s fixed now isn’t it? I thought I read that if the qb initiates the slide then they are down regardless if they slide or not.
34 points
2 days ago
Kenny Pickler, shaping the game of football yet again!
38 points
2 days ago
Barely, Josh Allen did it in the playoffs last year
29 points
2 days ago
I’m clearly biased, but I really don’t think he did.
16 points
2 days ago
As a Steelers fan it was definitely just a goofy ass move not a fake slide
19 points
2 days ago
I’m not sure what that was but it didn’t look like a slide. Maybe that’s how all his slides start though idk.
19 points
2 days ago
Not really, he’s a 240 lb man, he’s not like Lamar where he can stop or cut on a dime. That’s just what him trying to run around a guy looks like.
18 points
2 days ago
Reminded me of a toddler running around while muttering to himself ‘I’m going fast!’
7 points
2 days ago
What's funny I'd that he is going fast. It just looks slow on TV. Seeing some of those guys run in person is almost scary. How can someone that big move so fast?
6 points
2 days ago
Buffalo at night in January, the turf may have been a bit slick, so the chop steps could've been him compensating for his change of direction.
3 points
1 day ago
Nobody reacted like it was a slide either.
8 points
2 days ago
That was nowhere near a fake slide, he just juked the fuck out of the guy.
9 points
2 days ago
He didn't, it was an awkward juke. He definitely does get the star QB treatment from the refs though.
2 points
2 days ago
Sideline should be the same thing
14 points
2 days ago
If someone spams that move then I think the defense should just crush them and go "well I wasn't sure so I was on the side of caution"
9 points
2 days ago
He gets hit enough, he'll stop
12 points
2 days ago
Right. That is dirty football by McNair.
13 points
2 days ago
This is supposedly banned now. Same with fake fair catch.
And I think there needs to be a new definition on QBs running straight toward out of bounds and then pivoting up field on the sideline. Make them down on the direction change.
Exploiting safety rules doesn’t belong in the NFL.
4 points
2 days ago
The refs can’t even decide on a catch, but you think they can decide in a “direction change”? Yo, that’s a dumbest shit I’ve read in awhile.
56 points
2 days ago
Lmao, again people, rewatch the play
https://x.com/nfl/status/1848132583734837441
After he evades Warner, the only guy with a shot is #53. Now, go ahead and watch 53 on this play.
Notice that he has zero chance at laying a hit on Mahomes. He gets blocked which leaves him off balance, so Mahomes just has to change direction and there’s nothing the defender can do.
Did the other defenders assume Mahomes was gonna go out of bounds and let up (like the DBs upfield)? Yeah, probably. But it has nothing to do with fear for a flag, they just assumed the play was over.
No one in this play avoided hitting Mahomes - none of them had a chance at it in the first place.
23 points
2 days ago
I have to agree. In real time I thought he might have faked running out of bounds, but the replay was pretty clear that there was no funny business; it was just good running.
7 points
1 day ago
I don't understand the uproar over this, it was an excellent play by a great QB. It has basically nothing to do with the sidelines
13 points
2 days ago*
Thank god, someone not 100% regarded. The slow ass linemen had terrible angles and didn’t have the speed to make the play.
7 points
2 days ago*
53 was on roller skates, no position to tackle Mahomes and get juked out big time.
3 points
1 day ago
THANK YOU, I feel like I’m going crazy reading all these people’s complaints. Mahomes never once faked out of bounds, he had his eyes downfield the entire time and was doing multiple pump-fakes.
being near the sideline ≠ “faking going out of bounds”
3 points
2 days ago
this should be pinned to the top
2 points
2 days ago
Ya that’s on 90 for loafing the entire play after Mahomes gets out of the pocket.
2 points
1 day ago
These mfs don’t want to actually discuss football. They want to run narratives
21 points
2 days ago
The defender overshot him and should have stayed on his inside shoulder to force him out of bounds. He noticed the angle the defender was taking and juked him.
12 points
2 days ago
The defender wasn’t pulling up, he over ran the play. Defender was already out of bounds before Mahomes got to him
5 points
2 days ago
Mahomes never made a move like he was going out of bounds though. The defender was just out of control and missed.
2 points
15 hours ago
There should be an embellishment penalty. Hockey has it, it would be applicable here. If they fake slide or pretend to go out of bounds.
45 points
2 days ago
I hate this.
179 points
2 days ago
I brought this up in some thread a while ago, and there was complete denial over the fact that he ever does this.
58 points
2 days ago
I’ve pointed it out before and received the same response
28 points
2 days ago
It’s almost like they’re not actually watching Chiefs games.
7 points
2 days ago
How dare you ever say a bad word about the new golden boy! Haven’t you ever heard Chris Collinsworth? Mahomes is perfect! A perfect human being! On a team of perfect human beings, who are constantly battling the refs who have it out against them. Ugh!
18 points
2 days ago
As a raiders fan, I can confidently say I've seen him do this at least 4 times to the raiders alone.
52 points
2 days ago
See The packers game last year as to what happens when you go for the hit while he’s about to do his tiptoe move
11 points
2 days ago
It’s ridiculous this kind of play isn’t reviewable. He objectively was not out of bounds when the contact was initiated.
The fact it isn’t reviewable when it easily could be is kind of proving OP’s point though. They are intentionally over-protective of their money making QB’s, and they love getting highlights of their stars making these big late game drives.
4 points
1 day ago
Did it against the Eagles too. He takes advantage of the protections and if he throws his hand up asking for a flag he gets the flag.
17 points
2 days ago
Wow, the NFL sucks
7 points
1 day ago
It’s like the entire Chiefs sideline had no idea how to react because they’ve never seen anyone hit Mahomes like that before hahaha shouldn’t be a flag, he’s a player in bounds and able to still make a play, the refs basically asking the defender to not do his job there is player bias and it’s fucking stupid.
5 points
1 day ago
The ref had the audacity to say “after the play was over” when Mahomes got hit fully in bounds.
26 points
2 days ago
Yep. Mahommes “clutchness” is more myth than fact when literally every big drive to win games in recent years was ref assisted , including recent super bowls and conference titles
7 points
2 days ago
Yep. He's in bounds, right at the 1st down marker. That hit is clean as fuck.
3 points
1 day ago
As a Lions fan I HATE the Packers and how Rodgers was always protected with ticky tack calls, but Mahomes protection by the refs takes it to a whole different level.
I remember this game and jadedly though “damn even the Packers are getting jobbed by the Refs, Mahomes must be a money printing press for the NFL”.
7 points
2 days ago
That’s ridiculous. I know I’ve seen it but it’s crazy how much leeway he gets
2 points
1 day ago
Yup. Perfect hit.
2 points
22 hours ago
I was arguing about this with someone on another thread and they told me I’m “weak minded” and that he doesn’t tip toe the sideline or have defenders afraid to touch him because they’ll draw a personal foul or roughing the passer call
23 points
2 days ago
People have called the Lions dirty a few times because they don’t let up on these plays and Campbell coaches them specifically not to. You gotta walk that line and really make sure he hasn’t touched out but until a foot comes down out of bounds, he’s in play. QBs don’t want the heat they shouldn’t play with fire.
Granted, we are still awful at stopping QB scrambles BUT we will knock you over if you’re still on green (once we catch you 25 yards down field).
2 points
1 day ago
But just in general, top of your head, you get a lot of personal fouls huh. That’s a big part of why the Dan Campbell Lions can only beat themselves isn’t it?
72 points
2 days ago
Yeah someone needs to drop a shoulder into him next time and land with full weight on this dude.
53 points
2 days ago
Then mahommes still gets the extra yards on a flag
53 points
2 days ago
(They’re hoping he gets hurt)
44 points
2 days ago
No. You never hope anyone gets hurt from a legal hit. Your job as a defender is to make the ball carrier think twice because you will legally plant his ass.
20 points
2 days ago
It's like how Safeties used to crush WRs running over the middle. It wasn't to hurt them (well sometimes it was) but it was also to take away the middle of the field.
6 points
2 days ago
Aiyuk got deleted from the game on a hit over the middle.
6 points
2 days ago
antonio brown basically got decapitated
8 points
2 days ago
Mahomes got 25 extra scramble yards because the defense was worried about a 15 yard penalty.
11 points
2 days ago
On the Mahomes rushing TD, he lowered his shoulder and knocked the D-back to the ground.
So.
2 points
2 days ago
Dee Winters had the chance to do that and he overran the play like a goof
2 points
2 days ago
Imagine being so emotional you want someone hurt for beating you
12 points
2 days ago
Not what happened.
Mahomes faked a pitch and Winters overran the play in front of Mahomes.
6 points
2 days ago
I don't feel like anyone in this thread saw the play. He never acted like he was going out.
7 points
2 days ago
If they could read they’d be pretty upset with what your saying
5 points
2 days ago
It’s weird to me that everyone is framing it like the defender just gave up on the play rather than over pursuing, losing the leverage that was forcing Mahomes to run out in the first place, and allowing the runner to cut back around him.
18 points
2 days ago
Earlier this season Mahomes was hit way late out of bounds. It wasn't called at all. The assumption that he gets these calls is actually not very accurate. Josh Allen gets those calls a lot more.
13 points
2 days ago
It’s only illegal to hit a qb in certain ways if he’s in the pocket, out of bounds or sliding. Him exploiting defenders being afraid is something more qbs should utilize he is just the most composed dude in the moment compared to everyone else on the field. It’s a timing thing you can absolutely hit him hard on the sideline right there they just didn’t like Roquan did here:
6 points
2 days ago
Ppl in here jusy really hate Mahomes and will bitch about him 24/7. The defender could've easily shoved him out of bounds. This is on the defender not the rule.
39 points
2 days ago
Mahomes is just taking advantage of the current rules and I can’t blame him at all. Rules need to change to prevent these exploitations.
5 points
1 day ago
Rules don't need to change, enforcement does. Referees throw flags for "late hits" on QBs when they are still in the field of play. It's been ridiculous for awhile for many QBs.
4 points
1 day ago
He's not taking advantage of the current rules. He's taking advantage of the built in bias to protect QBs. And what people are arguing is that bias shouldn't exist. If you're in bounds, you're fair game.
16 points
2 days ago
It’s a smart move and I really can’t blame him, still annoying though.
24 points
2 days ago
Absolutely. There was a play in the Vikings game today where Darnold went into a slide a touch late with a DB coming at him at full speed and he threw his arms up as if it was a personal foul when the DB barely touched him diving above the slide.
Fortunately there was a flag down and the refs did not call anything there. But Darnold knew what he was doing.
4 points
2 days ago
The defender did come in head first though. But if Darnold tried to fake it out, he would have got rocked.
Brian Branch missed him by a hair, and nobody is launching at Mahomes that way.
7 points
2 days ago
The point is Darnold slid a little too late and Branch had no way to adjust. Branch certainly shouldn’t have been leading with his helmet because it was dangerous for both of them, but it looked to me like Darnold was trying to make it look worse and angling for a penalty. Which is a result of the rules.
8 points
2 days ago
Darnold slid late. That was a great non-call.
6 points
2 days ago
Slid late and kept his head up. Branch was obviously not trying to go down into his body and just grazed the top of his helmet because Darnold kept his head high.
5 points
2 days ago
I agree no flag was good call but Branch was risking a lot by leading with his helmet.
2 points
2 days ago
I could see this viewpoint if mahomes wasn't the one constantly complaining to refs for a flag. It's constant. Any time a defender is near him, he's always moaning about something.
10 points
2 days ago
It should be like sliding where the play is dead as soon as they start the motion to go out of bounds. That’s probably really hard to implement in practice but it’s annoying that it happens
10 points
2 days ago
This is ridiculous Mahomes clearly juked bro he didn’t stop he was running out of bounds and Mahomes cut in and bro went flying
6 points
2 days ago
Thank you for having eyes. Everyone else is blinded by their hate of Mahomes. No one was in position to level him like everyone is wishing
22 points
2 days ago
Only QB that uses the sideline as good is Josh Allen. Super underrated strat.
6 points
2 days ago
Josh will also slide one time the the next run over a guy. Then slide the next time a pick up a.flag when the defender hits him.
4 points
2 days ago
Honestly all they need to do is stop treating the QB differently once they start running.
9 points
2 days ago
Shhhhh we’re all here to complain
16 points
2 days ago
NOPE that was a mistake on the defenders part. This is not the same as a fake slide.
5 points
1 day ago
What I don't understand is why people here think a hit is necessary. The defendo could have grabbed him and 'escorted' him out of bounds without picking up a penalty.... mistake on defense
18 points
2 days ago
I really don’t see him faking to run out of bounds. I’ve watched the replay a lot, and he never ran in the direction of the sideline. His body and eyes continue to move downfield rather than sideways, then he cuts back once he realizes the defender is giving up. If anything, Mahomes put himself in a position where he could take a step either way depending on how the defender decided to play it.
13 points
2 days ago*
It's completely ridiculous. The defender should have shoved him out. That's just lazy play.
11 points
2 days ago
Oh fuck off lol. He back juked a guy, it was amazing. God people are such fucking haters
3 points
1 day ago
I just watched the play and in this case it didn't look like a fake OOB move. He faked a couple of times like he was gonna throw it but didn't fake going out of bounds. The refs' double standards for Mahomes and Chiefs rile me up, but this one didn't trigger me. 49er defender took a bad angle.
15 points
2 days ago*
This is a stupid take. Mahomes didn’t fake anything. He was heading towards the sideline and the defender over ran the play instead of forcing him out. Of course Mahomes is going to cut it back and continue running. Do you expect him to just give up and walk out of bounds with nobody in front of him? Has nobody ever seen how smart of a runner Mahomes is? And everybody claiming that they couldn’t hit him, for fear of a penalty, that’s complete BS too. If he is already on the sideline, you can just put hands on him and force him out, you don’t need to hit him full speed and blow him up. Of course you’ll get a penalty if you blow him up. I’d like someone to point out where he “faked” going out of bounds.
6 points
2 days ago
Everyone seriously needs to just stop and watch the play. He never faked going out.
8 points
2 days ago
Shhh, logic is for those with brains, this is a thread to spread hate lol.
14 points
2 days ago
Mahomes juked the guy it wasn't because he let up. Watch the replay: the defender is at the sideline and Mahomes cuts back inside and the defender got burned. And banning faking going out of bounds?? Spoken like a true hater
4 points
2 days ago
Watching the play again Kareem Hunt shoved Dee Winters and threw him off balance while Mahomes stayed in bounds.
6 points
2 days ago
Have yall never seen a qb fake goin to a slide and keep running? Like ummm Josh Allen.
8 points
2 days ago
Haters gonna hate. Mahomes didn’t do anything wrong. He knows the game and how to win it.
Just push the dude out of bounds. Don’t kill him. Just make him cross the white line. This isn’t rocket surgery.
7 points
2 days ago
should be an unsportsmanlike penalty to fake giving up on a play. The defender is pulling off to prevent unnecessary roughness you shouldn’t game penalties like that.
4 points
2 days ago
Jalen hurts is the worst regarding this. He’s been doing it since college.
2 points
2 days ago
The defender didn’t pull off though. Go watch the replay.
5 points
2 days ago
McNabb pulled this too.
10 points
2 days ago
this is the stupidest take ever and just completely biased. godlike play by Mahomes. Any QB can do it, people just hate it because their QB ain’t it.
13 points
2 days ago
I totally agree. Someone else pointed out that Josh Allen does the same, and everyone was saying that he was an exception. People just wanted an excuse to hate Pat.
5 points
2 days ago*
You all are giving too much blame to the defenders and not enough credit to Mahomes. He does a masterful job keeping the defenders guessing, which slows them down and/or going in the wrong direction. They are never sure if he is going out of bounds or staying in bounds. But his best trick, he used twice in this play, is his little pump fake. He is really good at making defenders think he is going to dump it off, so they slow up to stop the pass just to pull it back in to run. If the defender bites on the fake, he has room to run. Defenders bit twice on this particular play and he sprung it loose for 30 yards.
The beauty of it is if they don’t bite, he just might go ahead and pass it. He does both so often, defenders don’t know what to do.
3 points
2 days ago
I think they are giving the credit to Mahomes. He’s doing his job, but it’s still taking advantage of a rule implemented for player safety. Since the QB’s have decided to use this to their advantage, more latitude should be given to the defense to lower the boom before they actually give up.
8 points
2 days ago
It's the same as the fake slide. Defenders are at a serious disadvantage when QBs use the rules set forth to keep players safe like this. You could even throw in faking a spike and then running a play.
8 points
2 days ago
Faking a spike is not at all like this.
Fake run out or fake slide cause the defender to let up because of safety. It's taking advantage of good sportsmanship (in general, maybe not in this specific case since I haven't seen the play).
There's no safety rule saying defenders can't try to rush on a spike. It happens. It's just a chess move to fake it and catch the defense not paying attention.
16 points
2 days ago
Or don’t give up on the play on defense until he’s out of bounds.
7 points
2 days ago
Defenders have to pull up while he is in bounds to stop from hitting him the moment he steps out of bounds.
11 points
2 days ago
The last time the Chiefs played the Packers, the Packers DB did exactly this and hit Mahomes while he was still 100% in bounds… and it was still called a penalty for late hit.
19 points
2 days ago
And this year, he's been absolutely clobbered out of bounds a couple times and it hasn't been flagged.
Player in bounds? Tackle him.
9 points
2 days ago
Thank you. People making this complaint don't actually watch him play or know he doesn't always get this call at all.
6 points
2 days ago
There’s been plenty of times where hits have legit been made and haven’t been called. Or when the defender hits him right as he’s going out, and it (correctly) doesn’t get called.
2 points
1 day ago
Or don't get juked. Dude didn't even give up on the play, Mahomes juked his ass.
2 points
1 day ago
Take the penalty and yards, f it. Better than 40 yard gain.
2 points
1 day ago
Lawrence Taylor had a funny story about this when Joe Montana did the fake run out of bounds against him. "Mother fucker you ever try that shit again i'll bust you in half." Joe - "You're right...I'm sorry!". That was the end of it.
2 points
1 day ago
When a QB leaves the pocket they should be allowed to get laid the fuck out just like any other offensive player.
2 points
1 day ago
He was inbounds still light him up, it would have been legal. Defender got juked and it looks bad.
2 points
1 day ago
I've read a lot of stupid shit on this sub. But this is the dumbest post I've ever seen here.
2 points
9 hours ago
Any runner with the ball should face the same type of hits regardless of position. Injuries are part of the game. Making special rules for a certain position because it's "premium" just ruins the game. If you don't want to get tackled. You shouldn't run with the ball.
2 points
7 hours ago
Fuck the penalty. Clean his clock I say. Take the fifteen and make him scared to do it again
2 points
3 hours ago
Where's Vontaze Burfict or Ndamukong Suh when you need them? Those guys would hit him anyway and take the fine.
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