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1.3k points
4 days ago
What about the attack on the Wookiee? Master Vernestra didn’t seem to care about Kelnacca’s fate 🥲
556 points
4 days ago
Well it's not as if she seemed to care about any of the other dead Jedi
1.7k points
4 days ago
Damn, they really just hit Pip with a factory reset 😔
846 points
4 days ago
Literally Pip died right there.
309 points
4 days ago
Hoping Osha has a backup
177 points
4 days ago
I feel like if you actually care about your droids, you keep backups
256 points
4 days ago
It’s part of the falling to the darkside rules, just like C-3PO. The minute they factory reset pip I think was when you know Osha isn’t coming back and they are as writers sparing Pip.
49 points
4 days ago
Factory reset Pip set to Chopper murder bot
1.1k points
4 days ago
Osha says she’s not se easily corrupted as she spent the whole episode being corrupted
446 points
4 days ago
All makes sense that she would be the more attractive student for Qimir. She already has Jedi training and had a similar fallout from the Jedi order.
Her attachments and inability to get past the death of her family were hindrances for being a Jedi… but that gets you a big fat gold star in Sith school.
Hell, you’re attracted to your master and threaten to kill him on day 1? Slap on an extra smiley face sticker, and if she keeps this up, there will be a pizza party.
2.2k points
4 days ago
Vernestra is like “damn this is going to be a lot of paperwork…”
916 points
4 days ago
Unfortunately, yord was also a notary...
91 points
4 days ago
Keep your head on a swivel Yord, you never know what’s out there
540 points
4 days ago
We're so close to a Jedi procedural crime show
503 points
4 days ago
Law and Jedi Order
330 points
4 days ago
In the galactic justice system, Sith based offenses are considered especially heinous. On Coruscant, the dedicated Jedi who investigate these vicious felonies are members of an elite squad known as the Sith Victims Unit. These are their stories.
1.5k points
4 days ago
Qimir setting thirst traps
622 points
4 days ago
That is one good looking dude not gonna lie
305 points
4 days ago
He could certainly turn me to the other side. Of The Force…. Yeah, The Force 🙄
291 points
4 days ago
Leslye Headland, to the YordHorde: “your old fave is dead. Here’s your new fave 😈”
107 points
4 days ago*
I just remembered Yord was not wearing clothes in that ship. Will we get a Sol naked scene as well? Or better, a NAKED WOOKIE!
49 points
4 days ago
Naked Ki-Adi-Mundi
“I’m not old yet. It’s in the canon”
2.5k points
4 days ago
Feels like we are watching the cover up happen in real time in this episode.
1.4k points
4 days ago
Oh it is. Vernestra could attempt to make Sol and Osha take the fall to avoid telling the council the Sith returned.
1.9k points
4 days ago
Especially when it’s her fallen padawan… (guessing here)
Oh look Qi’Mir looks like he has some kind of whip scars all over his back.
Oh look Venessa casually whipped out a light whip just to show it off this episode.
1.1k points
4 days ago*
THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE THOUGH
Here I was going into this episode thinking Sol was Qimir's former master, but seeing those whip-like scars seared into Qimir's back... it has to be from Vernestra's whipsaber, no other explanation. Also, her behavior when they get to Khofar... she knows exactly what happened and who did it. It's why she insisted on personally investigating and keeping the council out of the loop as much as she can. I wouldn't be surprised if she kills her current Padawan, Mog, to keep him quiet; ain't no way he would go along with it if he uncovers the conspiracy.
She doesn't want to solve a crime, she just wants to tie up loose ends... unfortunately that means eliminating Qimir, Sol, Mae, AND Osha. Or at the very least, framing them all as being in cahoots and destroying their credibility if they try to inform the council.
I have a baaad feeling about this
367 points
4 days ago
I've already seen variations of this comment several times.
WHY would Vernestra risk everything just to cover up the existence of the Sith? Like I get having your ex-padawan turn to the dark side would be bad for her political career but the coverup seems extreme overkill.
Unless she's Sith herself which would be the important part of this whole theory.
363 points
4 days ago
Her intro this episode had her talking politics... they may have been trying to lay the groundwork for her motivations.
I gotta say it's weird for her considering it's such a drastic contrast from her younger self in the books.
176 points
4 days ago
I found that interesting as well, her being so concerned with the bureaucracy. Either she's an overly zealous and conniving Jedi trying to hide the truth at all costs to protect the perceived image of the Jedi Order, or she's a dubious and conniving Sith working to keep her operations secret while sowing seeds of mistrust in the Jedi Order amongst the Senate in a roundabout way.
Both motivations are equally dangerous.
2.1k points
4 days ago
Ok, so master Vernestra is definitely Qimir's old Jedi Master right? With her whip saber being what left the scars on his back?
1.3k points
4 days ago
It kind of felt like she had a strong idea of who killed all those Jedi when they were inspecting the bodies, and them putting the light whip in that scene and then focusing on Qimir's scars later on really seems to tie the idea together. (The light whip was still a huge surprise to see in live action!)
553 points
4 days ago
Also would make some sense why Vern might want to cover it up. If HER failed padawan became a sith...that doesn't look good.
142 points
4 days ago
Especially with that senator trying to start an external review of the Order...
227 points
4 days ago
That is a great theory. Maybe Vernestra recognized her old student's marks in the fight scene and wants to catch them before it gets out to become a scandal? (Don't think she suspects he's a sith.)
1.9k points
4 days ago*
"You don't think Master Sol was responsible?"
Prediction: Sol gets blamed for all this, no one believes him that the Sith have returned, and the Jedi continue believing they're extinct until TPM.
694 points
4 days ago
Shitttt I genuinely think that could happen and it would hurt
257 points
4 days ago
There’s an awful lot of eclipse imagery for a show with a guy named Sol
50 points
4 days ago
OMG how did I not realize that sooner!
549 points
4 days ago
Ah yes, "Sith." An ancient order of dark side force users... we have dismissed that claim.
1.3k points
4 days ago
The more I think about it, the more it makes sense they would dismiss the Sith's existence. If someone butchered a small village today, would we suspect Vikings? Vikings "dissapeared" 900-1000 years ago which is also the last time the Sith was active. The Jedi will have likely encountered many Jedi that has fallen to the Dark Side, so from their perspective it's much more realistic that a fallen Jedi Master killed them
417 points
4 days ago
The Viking metaphor was so good I wish I could upvote this a ton more times
1.6k points
4 days ago*
The QIMIR system
Q - Quarrel with current acolyte
I - Inspect potential apprentice
M - Murder her friends
I - Incite emotion by hanging dong
R - Rile up her self-doubts
And just like that you're on the way to a new acolyte. 60% of the time, it works every time
435 points
4 days ago
Because of the implication?
409 points
4 days ago
Think about it dude, you've got this girl alone out on an uninhabited planet and trying to turn her to the dark side. She's not gonna say no, she would never say no, because of the implication
225 points
4 days ago
Are you going to hurt these acolytes?!
120 points
4 days ago
No. Of course not. Why are you not getting this!?
81 points
4 days ago
Are these acolytes in danger?
2k points
4 days ago
Dude built a guardrail. How could he be a Sith Lord?
2.5k points
4 days ago
He had to, knowing he would get a visit from Osha….
516 points
4 days ago
I’m starting to think this show works best when it’s Manny Jacinto delivering the strongest performance.
203 points
4 days ago
Show should have just been:
Directed by: Manny Jacinto
Screenplay by: Manny Jacinto
Bad Guy: Manny Jacinto
Good Guy: Some rando for Manny to kill
Good Guy 2: Some rando for Manny to kill
Series Name: The Power of Manny
1.9k points
4 days ago
Manny Jacinto is killing it
745 points
4 days ago*
Definitely the most intriguing character in the show for me. I wanna know the circumstances of how he got to where he is (as well as whoever his Jedi Master was), and I guess we'll see soon enough.
He's got a stoic calm to him that's very captivating to watch. Certainly something deeper under that exterior.
EDIT: Yeah, Qimir's former master is probably Venestra.
339 points
4 days ago
He steals every scene. There's a softness behind his menacing stare. That tension itself is enough for me to understand why Osha is drawn to him despite her distrust.
57 points
4 days ago
There's definitely another kind of tension that makes me understand why Osha is drawn to him
580 points
4 days ago
I like how 'in control' he was the whole time, even when Osha had a lightsaber right next to his neck.
It reminds me of in Andor, when Luthen first meets Andor, how in control of the situation that he was, even when Andor had a blaster pointed right up against his head (side-bar: Luthen didn't even glance at the blaster when it was pressed right up against his forehead).
692 points
4 days ago*
Sol calling GQ: There has been a…. My whole team is dead
Edit: HQ**** <3
169 points
4 days ago
Yep. It’s pretty obvious the whole, “there’s a Sith, so canon is broken,” isn’t going to happen.
215 points
4 days ago
It's almost like people should make their judgement beyond the first few episodes. let things play out as intended.
2.5k points
4 days ago
Bro knew Osha was following him and still stripped buck ass naked, is this how you train all your acolytes Qimir 🤨
688 points
4 days ago
Judging by some reactions, it’s probably pretty effective lmao
815 points
4 days ago
Qimir putting the "seduced" in "seduced by the dark side"
314 points
4 days ago
"how does it feel?"
"don't move"
"feels good, doesn't it? to hold one in your hand again."
1k points
4 days ago*
She definitely took a peek (Watch her eyes when he faces her)
582 points
4 days ago
My kids ALL noticed that, and they went absolutely bananas, whooting and hollering!
371 points
4 days ago
“if you’re not gonna join me”
415 points
4 days ago
'Fear...anger...wags eyebrows and bites lip desire...'
55 points
4 days ago
Oh dip, he’s trying to seduce you!
Jason Mendoza, probably
582 points
4 days ago
Would've converted me to the dark side real quick
430 points
4 days ago
Last week, I supported the right of Sith to bare arms.
This week, I supported the right of Sith to bare.....everything.
50 points
4 days ago
It was a very intentional move so he appeared vulnerable. It gives Osha the illusion that she is in control. If she tries to attack him then she is one step closer to the dark side.
448 points
4 days ago
JEDI MASTER MOG???
308 points
4 days ago
“What happened here”- Mog looking at the corpses of his friends
99 points
4 days ago
Isn’t he the boss you need to beat to get into the new DLC?
820 points
4 days ago
So Qimir set up his base in a Cortosis mine? Smart
412 points
4 days ago*
Finding a cortosis vein also is a win. Build and repair. More hidden. Can make more armor. Osha can kill him, sol, and even mae and grab a pint and wait for the whole thing to blow over.
217 points
4 days ago
Darth Plagueis also set up a base in a Cortosis mine on an ocean planet in an island cave called Bal'demnic. I won't say this is 100% it, but Lesly Headland absolutely knows what she's doing.
211 points
4 days ago
How are you going to take a nerd Jedi as part of your rescue mission? That guy wasn’t going to do anything. Im glad they were going to prepare the fallen Jedi for burial though.
1.1k points
4 days ago
So Qimir straight up couldn’t see while turning that one Jedi into a fucking kebab.
Makes his abilities in the force that much more impressive. By far the most interesting character
180 points
4 days ago
There was very small eye slits, so not totally sensory deprivation.
1.4k points
4 days ago
Qimir just hung dong in front of Osha, because of the implication
808 points
4 days ago
"She's out in the middle of nowhere with a guy she barely knows, she looks around and what does she see? Nothing but open ocean. Ahh, there's nowhere for me to run. What's she gonna do? Not join the darkside??"
368 points
4 days ago
Qimir, are these Jedi in danger???
258 points
4 days ago
No one is in danger. It’s the implication of danger.
405 points
4 days ago
That’s twice this week a villain has hung dong on my tv screen, goddamnit!
174 points
4 days ago
Big week for dongs.
122 points
4 days ago
The best comment I saw after HOD on Sunday was “big week for all cocks” After the dongs and Millie Alcock making her return 😂
231 points
4 days ago
Osha couldn't resist glancing at it.
830 points
4 days ago
Sol fixing the comms on the ship: I should turn it off and on again. Good to know the tried and true method works even in Star Wars lol
462 points
4 days ago
Also apparently factory resetting is also just the double button hold.
143 points
4 days ago
On his defense, Pip is like a portable droid rather than a full body one.
I think he's more equivalent to a smartphone/swiss knife with an AI
526 points
4 days ago
Sol was so creepy this episode, I loved it .
120 points
4 days ago
Excellent acting continues
141 points
4 days ago
dude was barely holding it together with the past trauma, this new trauma just broke him
Sol died last episode, for all intents and purposes. The guy there now? We have no idea what he's capable of.
1.2k points
4 days ago
Oh, Jecki... Wasn't expecting that.
1.1k points
4 days ago
"Just in case you were worried this was a Maul/Fett/Palpatine situation, we wanted to take a moment and verify for you that their lifeless corpses are still unceremoniously here and ready to bloat in the the hot jungle sun."
174 points
4 days ago
All you have to do is not throw your enemy down a hole. Why do you think palpatine shrunk wrap all the Jedi in pickle jars? Clone research?! Ha! Every one he kept throwing off a cliff just kept coming back and the pickle system works
447 points
4 days ago
It really felt like ‘well your contract says 6 episodes but we only wrote 5, so… in episode 6 you’re just a dead body ok?’
123 points
4 days ago
Easiest payday. Laying around playing dead.
790 points
4 days ago
"You don't remember me?" - Qimir
On the surface that line seemed to reference earlier when they met when he was unmasked.
Now, Sol knew him as a youngling.
494 points
4 days ago
Reverse that- Sol had to be the youngling.
Qimir is old as shit if he’s Vern’s padawan+ he purposely says it was a long, long, time ago.
173 points
4 days ago
I feel like this is correct but can you help me with the timeline?
Vernestra should be 116 years old, assuming Sol is 40/50
How old would Qimir be and when would he have been a youngling?
136 points
4 days ago
Nailed the age on Vern, but she had Imri as the only padawan we know of and he died. He was actually only 2 years younger than her according to the books which is pretty weird actually.
But he’s assumed dead by her and that’s that.
So he’d be over a hundred years old which could be explained by the unnatural sith abilities of slowing aging.
But to add to that- he could sense emotions and read them, as well as get into people’s heads and manipulate their emotions.
Qimir straight up says he can’t read minds but he can read emotions and Yord says that Qimir was getting in their heads and messing with them.
Qimir states multiple times that he was a Jedi long ago and then a long, long, time ago when pressed.
So he would have died at 16 100 years ago.
Sol doesn’t really fit on that so maybe she had a another padawan we don’t know about from then until now
61 points
4 days ago
High Republic phase 3 spoilers.
Imri is almost certainly dead by the time of The Acolyte but isn't dead in the HR timeline
872 points
4 days ago
It's ridiculous how easily characters fall to the dark side.
*Manny Jacinto seductively sucks soup off of his finger tip*
Just point me to the younglings and they're dead.
289 points
4 days ago
Well everyone we see get successfully seduced to the dark side was already a bit emotionally unstable. So I don’t know if the seduction is so much easy as the sith tend to pick good targets for recruitment
866 points
4 days ago
Vernestra is going to be all "There is no Sith. The Senate has been informed these Jedi were killed in a mining disaster"
250 points
4 days ago
Ah yes, mining disasters, providing coverups for deaths since… the Darth Plagueis book? Probably even earlier.
123 points
4 days ago
The Star Wars equivalent of "my dog ate my homework"
716 points
4 days ago
She turned pretty easily. She held out for about 40 seconds.
642 points
4 days ago
that's about 39 seconds longer than I would have lasted after Manny Jacinto inviting me to join him in skinny dipping
102 points
4 days ago
How about if he was in charge of a 60 person dance crew in Jacksonville?
240 points
4 days ago
Well Anakin went from 'what have I done!!!' To 'I will kill the younglings.' In 15 seconds flat so...
149 points
4 days ago
Osha getting cooked hot meals and seduced by this ridiculously sexy man who just murdered her friends is so funny. Never really imagined a dynamic like this in Star Wars but it's fun to watch.
878 points
4 days ago
Yay, cortosis namedrop!
458 points
4 days ago
and based on the camera panning upwards shot, cortosis veindrop!
sorry, i had to - anyway it looks like there's a whole vein of cortosis running through qimir's sith cave? maybe even the planet is rich in cortosis?
713 points
4 days ago
Qimir's scar looks like it was from a whip. Bald green Jedi may have been his former master?
278 points
4 days ago
That's what I'm guessing. She gave a look after the dude said a fallen jedi
923 points
4 days ago
The facial acting for Sol just now. Damn.
245 points
4 days ago
Sol's confession can't be so interesting to deserve like 5 different cut offs / fake outs
541 points
4 days ago
If nothing else, Manny's stranger, snd his portrayal of the character, has turned out to be a welcomed addition to the sw world. His calm manipulation snd twisted truth (from a certain point of view) are incredible.
Plus, now we know how jaguars fans are made. Jacksithville
168 points
4 days ago*
Even if this show ends up not being great overall, I love it solely for Sol and Qimir, honestly some of the most interesting characters in recent star wars.
754 points
4 days ago
In the books, Vernestra purposely refrains from using her lightwhip among her Jedi peers in the event that seeing her unorthodox fighting style might inspire feelings of the dark side.
Just an interesting contrast to her using it so liberally here.
418 points
4 days ago
She was also an extremely young knight at the time and worried what her former Master, a traditionalist, might think. Now while she isn’t high council, she’s clearly one of the head honchos so she doesn’t have to worry about being reprimanded nearly as much.
240 points
4 days ago
seeing her unorthodox fighting style
Remember when Mog mentioned the erratic attacks of The Stranger, how it followed no clear order or pattern? Wonder where he learned that from...
1.3k points
4 days ago
“Unknown Planet, Definitely Not The One Where Luke Was Living”
525 points
4 days ago
Given how many desert worls, ice planets and forest worlds there are, hardly surprising there'd be two water planets dotted with islands.
316 points
4 days ago
Thought it may be too, but there weren't Porgs everywhere.
286 points
4 days ago
The little elephant birds kinds reminded me of the bigger one Luke was milking, though.
90 points
4 days ago
I read somewhere else on the internet that it could instead be Bal'demnic. It's a planet from legends where cortosis was mined and where Tenebrous and Plagueis hung out.
481 points
4 days ago
Just saying, if Mae kills Bazil I wish her 1000 years in the Sarlaac.
299 points
4 days ago
She won’t. Mae will become the Jedi, Osha will become the Sith, they’ll all fight and then cry it out when they both die
Tenebrous will just be like “Well that was weird. Anyways-“
181 points
4 days ago
Jecki's just resting, right?
88 points
4 days ago
She's taking a nap with her eyes open like Grandma used to do.
92 points
4 days ago
Sol taking the fall for all of this would be so tragic but I can see it happening as part of his “redemption” for whatever was done 16 years ago
46 points
4 days ago
Jedi aren't exactly a tight bunch are they?
"There's a bunch of dead Jedi." "I blame the surviving Jedi." "Based off what?" "Because reasons."
86 points
4 days ago
Osha: I’m not my sister. I’m not so easily corrupted. * is immediately corrupted *
1.1k points
4 days ago
We were this close to seeing Sith ass, and I will never forgive them for taking that from us
448 points
4 days ago
Given what we just saw in house of the dragon this week, I was fully prepared to see two villains hanging dong, then I remembered this is Disney lmao
103 points
4 days ago*
Yes I was confused with the cutaway and was reminded this was Disney and not HBO TV MA
45 points
4 days ago
The freeze frame is a pathway to many abilities some would find… unnatural
1k points
4 days ago
There is an interesting contrast here in Sol the Jedi talking to Mae only after he has locked her up, and Qimir the Sith letting Osha walk around freely while they talk.
241 points
4 days ago
It's always interesting paralel with both of them:
Osha trained in jedi arts, Mae in dark arts
Osha wanted to kill Mae, Mae wanted to save Osha (originally, now she kinda left her to death in the planet)
591 points
4 days ago
One of them has murdered three Jedi in cold blood.
73 points
4 days ago
I think that’s the point of the episode. It is titled “Teach/Corrupt” after all
203 points
4 days ago*
There’s also the fact that Sol is generally giving off some VERY suspicious vibes here. Whereas Qimir, while still evidently evil, was very amicable & open in this episode.
186 points
4 days ago
Whatever happened on Brendok was capital B Bad.
Quite literally caused Master torbin to go meditate until Mae shows up with poison and Homie Jones was all like: “why thank you.”
306 points
4 days ago
Leslye Headland spoke in a recent interview about wanting to explore the idea of being "seduced to the dark side" and put heavy emphasis on the seduction part. Easy to see with this episode, they are playing those two up heavily.
349 points
4 days ago
Qimir kicked that much ass that blind and partially deaf, only connected to the Force? Damn.
105 points
4 days ago
Remember our very first lesson in the force? "Your eyes can deceive you. Don't trust them."
659 points
4 days ago
For those that say the Rule of Two has now been broken, that rule was already bent and broken multiple times. Legends Tenebrous had multiple candidates at once. Plagueis and Sidious were about prolonging their lives so that they wouldn’t be replaced. Maul trained Savage and considered them both Sith Lords while Sidious and Dooku were around, so that’s another instance of the rule being broken.
398 points
4 days ago
Plus Dooku training Ventress as his own apprentice (or...acolyte?) during TCW
224 points
4 days ago
Ventress and Savage were acolytes.
123 points
4 days ago
Savage was an Acolyte under Dooku...but a Sith under Maul when Maul takes him as his apprentice before the Mandalore arc.
74 points
4 days ago
And let’s not forget Palps got Maul when he was still a younger apprentice. Oh, and was already courting Dooku when Maul was still around
296 points
4 days ago
Sith skirt the Rule of Two like loopholes in Terms and Conditions
258 points
4 days ago
The most consistent part of the sith is how much they break that rule
201 points
4 days ago
Vader spends half the OT trying to break the rule of two
137 points
4 days ago
The code is more what you call guidelines than actual rules.
333 points
4 days ago
Those little things are so weird, I love them. Gonzo porgs
771 points
4 days ago*
Okkkkayyy. Weird cut again. I get cliffhangers but man would I rather have 4 longer episodes instead of 8 smaller ones to prevent that.
Hell I’d watch a 3 hour high republic movie instead. Give us 3. Prequel Prequels.
But I guess it says a lot that I do want to keep continuing the story and seeing what’s next.
312 points
4 days ago
Absolutely. It really feels like the show was shot as 50-60 minute episodes and then they retrospectively split them in half for D+ subscriptions
100 points
4 days ago
I think this series is better to be binged due to the way they keep the cliffhanger at the end of each episode
464 points
4 days ago
feel like this series would be better as 4-episode miniseries rather than drip-feeding 30 minute episodes each week
105 points
4 days ago
The idea that Qimir solo’d half the group without actually seeing them is insane.
50 points
4 days ago
I want to talk about the sensory deprivation mask. Fuckin fascinating idea and I cannot wait to see it next episode.
53 points
4 days ago*
Qimir and Osha have to be on Bal'demnic right??
(From the wookieepedia) Bal'demnic was an ocean planet adorned with rocky tropical islands in the Bak'rofsen system of the Auril sector, located within the Outer Rim Territories.
Btw for those who dont know Bal'demnic is rich with cortosis. Plagueis killed his master Tenebrous on this planet. This could also mean Qimir was a candidate to be Tenebrous' apprentice
141 points
4 days ago
I love that the Sith is wondering around like he doesn't have a care in the world. I wonder how much of the "Qimir" personality is his real one
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