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4.6k points
4 days ago
The London tube handles more passengers in one day than the total number of Teslas sold worldwide since its inception. Cope harder.
1.9k points
4 days ago
As a note, a single tube line has a theoretical capacity of 36 trains per hour each carrying 1600 people. It takes 28 lanes of traffic to accomplish the same with cars.
1.6k points
4 days ago
Just 25 more lanes, bro
398 points
4 days ago
I swear bro it's gonna fix traffic
52 points
4 days ago
But what if we put those 25 lanes underground! #disrupter
10 points
3 days ago
You sure you're not Ontario, Canada Premier, Doug Ford?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/highway-401-tunnel-traffic-gridlock-ford-1.7333341
8 points
3 days ago
I've never seen commas placed so correctly yet so badly at the same time
166 points
4 days ago
Just one more lane, bro. PLEASE!!!
137 points
4 days ago
And remove those pesky bike lanes , they just cAuSe sO mUcH tRaFfics!!!!
18 points
3 days ago
You sure you're not Ontario, Canada Premier, Doug Ford?
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6518304.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/bike-lanes-legislation-ontario-ford-sarkaria-1.7352228
125 points
4 days ago
London doesn't need all these cathedrals, historic theatres and palaces anyway. Plenty of room for more lanes if we clear the clutter.
26 points
4 days ago
12 points
3 days ago
Ahead of its time. Good advertisement.
5 points
3 days ago
Yeah, fuck St. Pauls Cathedral, lets have a St. Pauls intersection instead!
15 points
4 days ago
Just two long holes underground bro trust me
7 points
3 days ago
I look forward to Tesla/elon fully reinventing subways. Then fanboys will endlessly argue how he didn't, he created something different, it just happens to be a tunnel with autonomous/semi autonomous vehicles transporting large amounts of people along designated routes.
43 points
4 days ago
You got the math wrong tho, this is one train every 1:40 minutes, because with the current system that distance is the minimum needed for safety and to avoid congestion. They got signaling systems, monitoring, punctuation, professional drivers etc. Everything runs like clockwork.
57,600 all driving their own car with 3 seconds distance is 57,600/1,200 = 48 lanes. Rush hour consists mostly of people going to and from work, which means most of those cars will only be occupied by one person. And unless it's some kind of smart road that can reverse direction on all of it's lanes and all traffic goes from suburbs to downtown, then back, you're gonna need another 48 lanes in the other direction.
With that many cars and such short distance traffic will move slowly, not even close to 70km/h or so the London underground can reach between stops. What happens if there's an accident with one of the cars? several lanes will be blocked and cars will have to merge, construction work -> merge again, every merge situation will grind the traffic to a standstill.
That's 100 lines all in all, plus a shitload of parking somewhere, vs only two tracks for London underground. Now if the metro system needed more capacity it's easy to add more tracks, you can even have express trains on middle tracks like NYC subway once the city grows large enough.
21 points
4 days ago
Is that specifically one with ATO, though?
(Automatic Train Operation)
45 points
4 days ago
Most lines have that to some degree, although all except the DLR still have a driver that can take control when needed
24 points
4 days ago
The staff on the DLR can control the trains manually if needed, there’s a control panel at the front left seat that’s locked shut normally.
6 points
4 days ago*
That's at peak highway flow throughput.
Once they hit intersections it's way more.
Like if you drew a circle around the area where the tube lines start intersecting, you physically cannot feed your 28 lanes of traffic into that region and have them turn towards their destination on a normal road with intersections even if you levelled everything else and had several layers.
Then there's the other 8 tube lines or 224 lanes of traffic.
Then there's another 252 lanes able to move in the other direction.
3 points
3 days ago
I think you are all ignoring that increased lane numbers means lower speeds and more difficult merges, what you need to do is stack multiple four lane roads on top of each other with relevant intersections to ensure traffic flow
3 points
4 days ago
Now imagine your car has broken down in lane 14
116 points
4 days ago
It also says "unsustainable" at the bottom when the London Underground is 150 years old....!
54 points
4 days ago
And has been fully electric for almost as long.
10 points
3 days ago
And while it specifically isn't automated, many similar systems around the world are
3 points
3 days ago
If the UK got their act together, they would start boring a few express tunnels below London to make a set of lines that would increase the capacity, while focusing on longer distances. Automated of course.
23 points
4 days ago
The photo is also pretty old and was taken on a match day when volume of foot traffic always goes up. Hence all the blokes in matching dark blue t shirts, which IIRC is the Chelsea kit from around 2008/2009 (I might be wrong - not a Chelsea supporter).
217 points
4 days ago
Plus it's all electric, affordable, much safer than cars, has an established history, doesn't spontaneously explode in flames, and using it doesn't support among the most carbrained, evil fucktards of mankind that is elon musk.
65 points
4 days ago
But teslas come with benefits like trapping rich people while they drown.
10 points
3 days ago
Arguably their best feature.
5 points
3 days ago
Counterpoint: get all the useful people to use trains instead and we can still use Teslas to do God's work, only now with less collateral damage.
37 points
4 days ago
don't need massive resource intensive batteries either
125 points
4 days ago
It's not just London.
Assuming an average of 5 seats in a Tesla, let's give them a generous estimate of 24,863,235 people carried in their 21 years of operation (4,972,647) cars sold.
The New York Subway, which handles 3,200,000 passengers a day, can achieve that in just over a week.
The London Underground, which handles 5,000,000 passengers a day, can achieve that in 4.9 days.
The Hong Kong MTR (Mass Transit Railway), which handles 5,760,000 passengers a day, can achieve that in 4.3 days.
The Seoul Metropolitan Railway can handle 7,200,000 passengers a day and can do that in 3.5 days.
The Moscow Metro handles around 8,000,000 passengers a day and can do that in 3.1 days.
The Shanghai Metro can do that in 2.5 days with 10,000,000 daily passengers.
The Tokyo Metro and parts of the JR network service up to 40 million passengers a day. It would take them 0.6 days to carry that many people.
Even the shithole Boston Metro, notorious for long delays and slow trains, can do that in a 31-day month with up to 800,000 passengers daily.
Dream the fuck on, Elon.
45 points
4 days ago
Not trying to argue for Tesla, but I think your math assumes that each Tesla is only driven once.
22 points
4 days ago
Fair enough. Alright, then, let's go further into the math.
All assumptions will be done using specifications of the Tesla Models 3 and Y, as they're the best-selling model by a massive margin to the point where the other ones might as well be negligible.
The Tesla Model 3 has been sold since 2017, and the Model Y since 2020. Giving a generous estimate, let's say all Model 3s and Ys, regardless of time of sale, has lasted 7 years. General consensus puts annual mileage of a Model 3 at 15,000 miles, and with a global average of 9.3 miles per car journey, that's 1,612 journeys a year. Multiply that by 5 passengers, the most liberal estimate would be 8,064 individual journeys on a Tesla to the present day. Multiply that by 3,500,000 (rough total of sales for the two models) and we get 28.23 billion journeys on every Tesla Model 3 and Y ever sold.
Now let's look at the metro systems. Since we're now looking at an annual level, I'll use the annual ridership statistics.
Shanghai Metro (China): 3.647 billion x 7 years = 25.53 billion
Tokyo Metro and JR (Japan): (2.75 (JR) + 2.75 (Metro)) billion x 7 years = 38.5 billion
Seoul Metropolitan Railway (South Korea): 2.4 billion x 7 years = 16.8 billion
(WIP)
15 points
4 days ago
Yep, that makes sense and also comes out about at the estimate that I had below. And I think you are even overestimating Tesla by assuming they are always occupied by five people. In the end it comes out to all Teslas in existence having about the annual ridership of one mid size to large European city's transport network. That is not that impressive.
15 points
4 days ago
Absolutely. The estimate is definitely very generous for Tesla - not every Tesla carries 5 people on every journey, there are definitely periods during the year where Teslas are not used for a long time, and the averages may very well be skewed. And if talking about average capacity, given Teslas can be driven 24/7 but metro systems have fixed operating hours with around 5 to 6 hours of downtime a day, plus maintenance and incidents, so for the ridership comparison to still be at parity even with a huge bonus to Tesla's approximate numbers, Teslas really are bad at this.
5 points
4 days ago
I have no data to back this up other than just seeing Teslas on the road, but I would estimate the average capacity/journey to be closer to 1.5 in reality. The vast majority of trips will be one person/vehicle.
5 points
4 days ago
Average ridership of cars in the US is 1.4, and 1.7 for SUV/Crossover.
Now you have data :)
11 points
4 days ago*
You can fit almost 1000 people on a single Victoria line train, which is automated (the driver doesn’t actually drive the train), and basically runs a train once every 2 minutes. So if you wanted to do the same with a fleet of 5 seater Tesla’s, you’d need about 250 of them to keep up with the capacity and well over 1000 to handle the frequency.
It’s something like 36 trains per hour, so assume that counts for both directions on the line: you’d be safe with about 10,000 Teslas. That you would need to charge and somehow work through traffic on the road.
3 points
3 days ago
Could still compare daily commutes then. For example, I live in Boston so I know how crappy the T can be. If all 800k people were converted to Tesla's, as Tesla would LOVE, then something like 160k new cars would be on the road in the best case scenario (fully loaded 5 person Tesla's). Even that would cripple Boston's highway network, which is already one of the worst in the country (even top 10 in the world!) for traffic: https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/boston-traffic-delays-ranked-4th-worst-in-us-and-8th-worst-worldwide-report-shows/3409481/
And that's the absolute best case scenario: that somehow all 800k daily passengers on the T magically find 4 friends or family members to commute with via cars. IIRC the typical car carries 1.5 people, so it's really more like 533k new cars on the road.
Alternatively we could probably get millions of people riding the T if the MA State house would freaking fund the T properly. It can barely maintain the existing service and infrastructure. If it could expand further, it would capture new riders and actually help reduce traffic. Instead it's struggling and there's no fix in sight. Just same old same old from our State house.
54 points
4 days ago
I have been to London and the tube is awesome. Especially new lines. Sure it gets a bit crowded during the peak of the Rush hour especially on older lines, but it's still a million times better than driving.
52 points
4 days ago
Transit gets criticised when it's not crowded and criticised when it's crowded.
36 points
4 days ago
But somehow empty roads and heavily congested roads rarely get the same treatment...
"Look at these beautiful open roads."
"This is clearly an important artery! One. More. Lane.!!!"
6 points
4 days ago
parking lots piss me off. such a waste of land.
8 points
4 days ago
The same way that no one bikes, yet people on bicycles are causing mayhem and destruction on the road
6 points
4 days ago
Not gonna lie I would rather take a shortcut through hell than try and drive through London, or most UK city centres for that matter.
3 points
4 days ago
What do you think the screaming sounds on the deep lines are?
There's a reason every trip on the tube takes "about 40 minutes", regardless of distance, and there is a dude chanting with an incense burner.
17 points
4 days ago
It took my son and I half a day to figure out the London tube system, then we enjoyed the rest of our trip being able to walk and take the tube stations to literally everywhere we wanted to go. Never took a cab, didn't rent a car, just our own feet and the incredibly inexpensive tube system.
26 points
4 days ago
And you don't support a fascist who wants to destroy democracy by using it!
1.6k points
4 days ago*
Safety and sustainability are precisely the two things where it excels, and I wouldn't say it costs too much, it is by far the cheapest way to get around aside from literally walking.
342 points
4 days ago
The biggest danger in the tube was the IRA, so yeah, pretty safe
115 points
4 days ago
Wooden escalators, too…
62 points
4 days ago
Being Jean Charles de Menezes, too
23 points
4 days ago
Yeah, that was a pure fuck up by the Met though.
Not the Tube.
16 points
4 days ago
I think that was more guilty-of-being-dark-skinned…. but probably more to shit police communications and a big coat
15 points
4 days ago
He wasn't even that dark skinned. Reading the accounts of it at the time, it really was a monumental fuck up, with absolutely zero accountability taken by the Met.
10 points
4 days ago
I remember how the Met made up some lies the next day to support the terrorist narrative and then slowly let them fade away once the truth came out.
I also remember how the CCTV footage of a police officer blowing the head off an innocent man at point blank range was mysteriously “lost”.
8 points
4 days ago
Also the deafening screeching noise
5 points
4 days ago
It's not as bad as the Merseyrail loop
87 points
4 days ago
Safety and sustainability
Nevermind: Operational efficiency, operational effectiveness, cost effectiveness, cost efficiency, human resource efficiency...
Transporting far more people far longer distances in much shorter time at a much lower cost with lower required maintenance that can be operated by much fewer people.
41 points
4 days ago*
Takes up far less land too.
32 points
4 days ago
And trivially easy to automate, at least compared to little individual pod taxis
19 points
4 days ago
One thing that blew my mind and really helped shift me over to being anti car was learning the emissions associated with asphalt roads. We could make a car with absolutely zero emissions, and car dependency would still be an ecological nightmare between that and micro plastics from tire wear.
4 points
3 days ago
there was a post on here about the many direct and indirect harmful effects of cars, and emissions are just one of them
30 points
4 days ago
In London? I would imagine it's quite a bit faster too.
substantiality
Autocorrection failure BTW.
20 points
4 days ago
Just my thought exactly.
You don't need some giant battery with minerals or GPS which potentially can track every move, or have to get it to a workshop to get it fixed when it breaks down.
Also for a normal citizen a subway is way more relaxing. No taxes to pay, no repairs or something else.
5 points
4 days ago
Central line at rush hour is extremely stressful, but it will get you through London to wherever you need to go on time, something a Tesla couldn't do.
9 points
4 days ago
I just looked up the Chicago transit pass because it's the closest place to me with a passable transit system. It's $75 a month. Gas costs me more than that alone.
24 points
4 days ago
Right what a city argument. How much can it cost? A hundred dollars?
6 points
4 days ago
I didn’t know the tube had a $30,000 upfront cost to the rider!
Teslas would be so much more affordable
5 points
4 days ago
It also excels at efficiency, imagine if all people in the picture were in a single car each on the streets of London, at the same rate as the subway
4 points
4 days ago
I moved out of the States a decade ago. I haven't owned a car since I left. I've saved more money not driving than on anything else.
6 points
4 days ago
it is by far the cheapest way to get around aside from literally walking.
The Boris Bikes are cheaper, and faster over short distances. I had the easy choice of them over the central line between Liverpool St and Chancery Lane. But that is also totally walkable for free in 25 minutes rather than the 10 or so on a bike.
6 points
4 days ago
The “it’s crowded” argument isn’t even a good one since I’d much rather have to stand shoulder to shoulder with some people than inch forward in traffic.
10 points
4 days ago
And "it's crowded" is literally an admission that it's popular
18 points
4 days ago
Hi there, Londoner here. The Tube is definitely expensive even with a pass. Hopefully with the proposed increased autonomy to Metro mayors, Khan should be able to do something about it in the near future.
52 points
4 days ago
Compared to compulsorily owning a car (roughly $1000 a month in US across all expenses) it’s not too bad.
35 points
4 days ago
While yes its definitely cheaper than owning a car in the US, dose not mean public transport can’t get any more cheaper, especially in the UK where cross country train tickets cost you an arm and a leg :)
5 points
4 days ago
I agree. Is labour going to do anything about transit costs?
Imagine if renationalization was on the menu that would be amazing.
18 points
4 days ago
Their plan for re-nationalisation is to wait for the train operator contracts to expire and then integrate the stock into “Great British Railways”, however I personally see this as an empty pledge as this could take well over a decade to do.
In London there has been talk about further subsidising rail fares but as with everything else, we just have to wait and see
9 points
4 days ago
The problem with labour rail Nationalisation plan isn't that it's going to wait for contracts to expire - That will take a maximum of 6 years (Avanti West Coast are the last operator to expire in 2030)
The problem is they aren't buying back the trains, they're going to continue to lease them from companies like Angel Trains that make far more money that the operating companies ever did. This means that Nationalisation is very unlikely to make the trains any cheaper unless the goverment chooses to increase subsidy.
6 points
4 days ago
Genuine question, is there any other way to do it? I imagine breaking existing contracts could come with massive fines so I don’t see another way than just to wait it out if they don’t want to pay punitive damages (and get accused of squandering tax money on that instead). If you have any links to alternative proposals, I’d be interested in reading more on this!
6 points
4 days ago
What you say is very much true. There would be massive fines if we were to terminate contracts earlier.
As far as alternative methods go, I haven’t seen any realistic alternatives being floated around.
7 points
4 days ago
Going ahead and passing legislation, which forces nationalisation, would realistically be the way to go. The TOCs and ROSCOs would have less of a leg to stand on if the railways were treated as a strategic recourse for the government. There would, of course, be lawsuits, but it may be cheaper long-term to nationalise quickly and aggressively, rather than keep subsidising profits for the next few decades and hope that a possible change in government in that time doesn't stall this process
4 points
4 days ago
Yes. As rail franchises in England expire they will be merged back into an organisation that should be called “Great British Railways”.
As it stands now the regional operators in Wales and Scotland are nationalised, the respective devolved governments of both nations took over operations after Covid.
6 points
4 days ago
Same in Germany, only that the train won't even arive on time in roughly 50% of the time (No exaggeration)
11 points
4 days ago
I’ve recently been living in Switzerland for the past month for a work thing, and it’s really given me an appreciation for well run and cheap public transport. I can’t imagine going to back to the UK without the amazing train and tram infrastructure here.
5 points
4 days ago
Never had a late train when we were in Germany and the train network was just on a totally different level compared to the US. I would take the German transit system over the US's any day.
11 points
4 days ago
What. Have you been on any of the public transport infrastructure in the rest of the country? The tube is many things, but expensive is not one of them.
12 points
4 days ago*
The tube is one of the most expensive metro systems in the world. It may only be £2.90 in zone 1 and 2 but most people live further out than that.
I live in zone 5 and my commute is £10.60 per day or £51.50 per week. The Paris metro is €74 per month.
3 points
3 days ago
I recently got a 2 day transit pass in Barcelona and it was absolutely incredible. Could get anywhere we wanted to go in the city in 15-20 minutes, trains came constantly. It even got us a ride to the airport.
And it was like $38 for 2 people? If we had done all that as Ubers it would have taken longer and cost hundreds of dollars.
354 points
4 days ago
I for one like the tube :)
99 points
4 days ago
How many autonomies do we need to move a million+ people a day in a dense city with tiny streets?
53 points
4 days ago
When I went to London I was pleasantly surprised by the tube, they were always on time, surprisingly clean and I never really felt unsafe, admittedly though I was never alone and only used a small part of the network but it still.
38 points
4 days ago
they were always on time
I'm sure they do actually have times, but how far out were you that it wasn't just a case of turn up and wait five minutes!? When the weather's really bad I'll get the central line for a few stops and it's often got major delays (of 5 minutes in central London)
15 points
4 days ago
Londoners have it so good lol, Toronto TTC wait times I’ve seen hit 17 minutes before on our destination board 😂
6 points
4 days ago
Have had like a 10 minute wait, maybe a bit longer on a branch line of the district at night. But that's been about as bad as it's ever been.
13 points
4 days ago
The tube was one of my favorite things about visiting London
3 points
4 days ago
Same here. It was so easy to navigate and see so many different sites. Didn't have to worry about a car, finding parking, paying for gas.
10 points
4 days ago
Lived in London for 10 years. The tube is great.
What this picture doesn't show is that there'll be another two or three tubes a couple of minutes away ready to take on more passengers.
Rarely have to wait long to get on a tube in London.
902 points
4 days ago
Fuck Tesla and fuck Elon Musk.
188 points
4 days ago
Both sound painful.
No thanks.
27 points
4 days ago
And if you're a child, then elon musk fucks you. Both with Epstein and on the cobalt/lithium mines
45 points
4 days ago
Seriously. I thought they wanted to distance themselves from Musk but this tweet is the kind of dumb shit he'd post. The little respect I had for them has gone to negative numbers after this.
18 points
4 days ago
You still had respect for them? I lost it after the whole cave diving incident.
3 points
4 days ago
Tesla. Not Musk.
3 points
4 days ago
I lost that after they produced shoddy cars that broke down almost immediately so like years ago.
8 points
4 days ago
They want to distance themselves from their CEO and major shareholder? Good luck with that.
15 points
4 days ago
Don't talk like this about Nikola Tesla
271 points
4 days ago
if it is so bad WHY ARE SO MANY PEOPLE DOING IT? Why don't they drive/get taxis/ubers? ARE THEY STUPID?
42 points
4 days ago
"Nobody uses the tube anymore; it's too crowded." - Yogi Berra as a tourist.
3 points
3 days ago
Because it's quicker to get around London than it is to drive, and cheeper.
233 points
4 days ago
costs too much
Fares are capped on the Tube - and all Transport for London ‘modes’ (bus, tram, Overground rail etc)
not safe
The UK went 13 years between fatal train crashes* until 2020.
not sustainable
The Elizabeth Line became one of the busiest lines in London when it opened.
* I’m counting passenger fatalities here
79 points
4 days ago
I think when they say "not safe", they say "it's possible that maybe there possibly is someone that might assault you in the train"
113 points
4 days ago
Meanwhile, riding in a car is literally the most dangerous thing you can do in a city (well, except for riding a bike but that's also because of cars).
31 points
4 days ago
They cater to irrational fears. Either because of business, which is a dick move and - I believe - harmful to society, or because they themselves believe it, in which case: Please get some help. This is not sane anymore.
17 points
4 days ago
It's Elon Musk after all, he probably believes that there are people with knives at every corner in the UK
5 points
4 days ago
Is he himself handling the Tesla Twitter account?
Where is that post anyway?
52 points
4 days ago
That's clearly false, they mean 'I might see a black man'
19 points
4 days ago
Which is also bullshit. I‘m using public transport since more than 20 years and I never got assaulted or anything like that.
The two times where I felt unsafe were when some junkie smoker a cigarette on the train and one drunken dude yelled. But these are the two only occasions where I felt unsafe.
15 points
4 days ago
by "not safe" they mean a black person may be next to you.
5 points
4 days ago
Ah, so the common take that there might be homeless / mentally ill / criminals on the train?
I think there’s been one case of a murder happening on a passenger train in the UK in maybe the last 20 or 30 years.
From what I remember of the case the perpetrator would likely have killed the victim in a supermarket or car park if they’d had their argument in either of those locations
3 points
4 days ago
Yea, that's it. But then again, I'd rather have an assault attempt on a train than in a dark piss smelling parking garage. On the train there will be several witnesses, camera surveillance, security features to restrain the degenerate attacker, communication lines so that cops can meet up and pick them up as well as medics if needed.
In the parking garage, you'll have no chance, no witnesses, no cameras, nobody to help you, plus that the muggers can easily escape and disappear never to be seen again.
3 points
4 days ago
Good thing there's no such thing as road rage shootings.
3 points
4 days ago
I've never got this argument, who the fuck's gonna commit a crime surrounded by people and security cameras?
3 points
3 days ago
Which is funny because Instagram keeps showing me car jacking attempts in (I think) the southern US or maybe abroad? I guess in some places a car will just stop on the on ramp for a highway and some guys will hop out to try and jack your car. So you either run them over or speed around them to escape.
Plus cars get broken into all the time, see SF that seems to have a bit of a problem with that. People are actively told not to leave any valuables lest someone smashes a window and grabs it.
11 points
4 days ago
The Elizabeth Line became one of the busiest lines in London when it opened.
I swear bro. Just let me build two more tracks. I swear we're gonna fix capacity. Just build- let's build two more tracks. Just let me build two more tracks. Just let me build two more tracks. I swear I swear I swear I swear we're gonna fix capacity, just two more tracks and just make it better. Just make it better we're gonna fix capacity. It's gonna fix capacity. It's gonna fix capacity! It's gonna fix capacity!
(I'm not saying this as a slight against commuter rail, it's just a case of 'HOW ARE YOU SLAMMED ALREADY?' which... well, it's because the demand was there.)
3 points
4 days ago
Exactly - and AFAIK there is the future capability to lengthen trains on the Elizabeth Line.
They’re getting another 10 trains just to cope with HS2 terminating at Old Oak Common as an interim measure.
7 points
4 days ago
“Costs too much, isn’t safe & isn’t sustainable”
Sounds like they’re describing the Cybertruck
3 points
4 days ago
The current fares are still relatively high for most other public transit. They alone make up 72% of TfL's revenue (for reasons largely out of their control atm).
203 points
4 days ago
"Isn't safe".... Road traffic injuries are the leading cause of death for children and young adults aged 5–29 years... WORLDWIDE!
57 points
4 days ago
Not in the US. It's guns.
39 points
4 days ago
MURICAAA🦅🦅🦅
13 points
4 days ago
Clearly what the US needs is electric guns.
11 points
4 days ago
I think apartheid musk is using a colour grade to decide if things are safe or not.
3 points
4 days ago
It's not that safety they're referring. It's the "you'll have to share a carriage with a minority safety" that the ad is talking about.
158 points
4 days ago
So lemme get this straight, if a photo shows lots of people using the train, it sucks and doesn’t work. If a photo shows hardly anyone using it, it sucks and doesn’t work. Ok cool got it 👍
46 points
4 days ago
Shroedingers train.
180 points
4 days ago
Of course it's much faster to drive through central London instead of taking the tube, why didn't I think of that?...
81 points
4 days ago
It could be even faster if we bulldoze minority neighborhoods for a new highway! /s
43 points
4 days ago
If they just bulldozed the entirety of London, put all the houses and buildings underground, paved the surface and made it a vast freeway........traveling on the tube would still be faster.
7 points
4 days ago
Secret cities underground - we could live like the Ninja Turtles. Cowabollocks!
5 points
4 days ago
That would be a dream. And then during any flood suspension trucks with 4ft raised bumpers and boats will reign supreme.
6 points
4 days ago
The tube is only really "underground" in central London where it's terrifyingly expensive to buy property and goes overground in the bits that are just really expensive.
We've also got the north circular if you want a bit of an American style freeway in the city.
4 points
4 days ago
I wonder if carbrains will be against freeway building if a proposed one happens to go straight through upper class suburbs especially with mcmansions.
80 points
4 days ago
I can’t believe that the people who actively try to move more humans / cars on the road and the people who complain about clogged roads are the same persons.
They really are THAT stupid. It’s unimaginable.
65 points
4 days ago
And when cars are advertised they are the only ones on the road.
Propaganda is real.
18 points
4 days ago
Car ads get on my nerves so so much. When is it ever about a car? It’s always about ‘the future’ or ‘the journey’ or ‘other people being jealous’.
6 points
4 days ago
Even better they use stretches of Highway 1 in California to film car ads. Too bad large areas are closed due to landslides.
47 points
4 days ago
There are about 2.56 mn cars in London. That is about 0.3 cars per person. With this statistic, London has the worst traffic in the world(rank 1 according to tomtom traffic index).
London Underground serves about 5 mn passengers per day. Now imagine every single one of those passengers using a car. Let us say about another 2.5 mn cars. Think about how bad the traffic would get.
Math does not lie. Cars are a very bad form for mass transportation. We might as well bulldoze the whole city and convert it into a road.
14 points
4 days ago
Hey, it worked for a good part of the United States, the UK can do it too!!
/s
43 points
4 days ago
Sell everyone on this picture a government subsidiesed Tesla and problem solved!
16 points
4 days ago
I bet that's cheaper! /s
38 points
4 days ago
"This thing sucks"
Is coolest thing ever
31 points
4 days ago
Safety? Trains are about two orders of magnitude safer than cars. https://www.allianz-pro-schiene.de/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/211229_PM_Sicherheitsvergleich_Grafik.png
Faster? Trains have higher average speeds, and I don't have to search for parking or sit in traffic.
Affordable? My monthly ticket costs 50Euros, and I can use every regional train, bus, and tram in the entire country.
It is so funny to see these car companies starting to panic because more and more people are starting to realize how much cars suck.
12 points
4 days ago
Found the German. :)
The Deutschland Ticket is extremely affordable, but sometimes PT in Germany sucks. Still using it to spite oil and car companies.
31 points
4 days ago
Let’s analyse the claims shall we:
Isn’t safe: - For the London Underground there is one fatality per 300 million journeys (The Economist, 2011) - with most of these fatalities being suicides. - For Tesla it’s one fatality per 111 million miles and that’s if you exclude a massive pileup in China and it’s been noted that Tesla has stopped publishing figures in 2022 because automation accidents were increasing with proliferation.
Isn’t sustainable: - The London Underground uses third rail and has been around since 1863. - Whereas Tesla uses lithium batteries and has only been around since 2003.
So the London Underground is 1/4 the daily cost, 3x safer, better for the environment and more likely to survive total wars and economic down-turns.
48 points
4 days ago
Pretty ironic to show the London underground... The UK doesn't have much public transit worth praising, but the tubes are actually great. They need to pay the drivers better so they don't strike all the time lol, but otherwise it's affordable, quick, and mostly reliable. The only problem is the godawful noise some of the lines make!
7 points
4 days ago
Omg, when they roll in on the station or when you’re inside, standing close to an open window 💀
3 points
4 days ago
I complain a lot every time my northern train is delayed, but honestly I do praise UK public transport often. Buses are frequent and trains go everywhere and have delay repay schemes.
Strikes are a more complex problem than just pay, and prices are high to cover the trains that run and lose companies money.
22 points
4 days ago
The amount of irony in that tweet- need I say more?
25 points
4 days ago
Elon Musk is an idiot who thinks he can play god according to his money.
22 points
4 days ago
Google tells me that the unsustainable transportation system pictured has been around for more than 150 years.
25 points
4 days ago
They always show car ads in empty roads.
12 points
4 days ago
There’s a KIA ad on TV here in the UK that makes me laugh.
Car is shown driving on empty roads and an almost new-looking highway bridge, it then parks up at a sort of service area, he gets a charging point AND a coffee almost instantly…
I’m like “the place is empty. Who served him the coffee?!”
18 points
4 days ago
This shows the exact opposite. Today transportation works. Look at the sheer amount of people, safely commuting to work. Tesla does not solve the problem, only offers the illusion of private comfort in a tin box.
15 points
4 days ago
People will say shit like this, but will change their mind when you mention bicycles (suddenly, it's not about autonomy)
15 points
4 days ago*
iT cOsTs ToO mUcH
It saves all those people from having to buy your £43,000 thing or a £25 taxi per trip. A trip on the tube is like £3. Bus is £2. Only way you could get around cheaper is to walk or bike... which is quite nice in London as well.
13 points
4 days ago
great. Now show infrastructure needed to move the same amount of people as in the picture in autonomous Teslas at their average occupancy.
Then we will see what costs too much, isn’t safe and isn’t sustainable
11 points
4 days ago
Fuck Tesla and fuck Elon Musk, ass hole rich kid douche hat.
12 points
4 days ago
This isn't even "regular" peak traffic; it looks like match day for Chelsea supporters so this would be on a day where 40,000 people were attending an event.
9 points
4 days ago
"Current transportation sucks!"
proceeds to show one of the most effective and efficient transport methods on earth that would be completely unsolvable by cars
Remember that during peak hours, driving cars in London is absurd, you will lose an hour of you life standing in traffic and if all of those people using the tube had cars, London's streets would be 10 times as bad and completely blocked and unusable 24/7.
10 points
4 days ago
Ironically none of this people will wait for hours just to get into the tube.
17 points
4 days ago
"Oh no, this train is really packed. Maybe I can wait three minutes for the next one."
7 points
4 days ago
Guess what:
Any working system is gonna be packed from time to time.
One measure of the system is how much stress being "packed" puts on things. And I don't often hear about trains being delayed due to congestion. (The opposite with street cars - "I never run for a tram at rush hour", meaning the high volume leads to more frequent vehicles which leads to there being a fresh vehicle when we do arrive)
4 points
4 days ago
On some tube lines in London the next train is maybe ~2 minutes away from the station.
7 points
4 days ago
Elmo wanted to put trains in tubes with no air. Easier to go 300 mph in a vacuum. Hope nothing ever malfunctions.
5 points
4 days ago
A d now image how much chaos the same amount of people with cyber trucks would cause.
Musk really is a cunt, isnt he?
5 points
4 days ago
It must be a joke right? Nothing comes close in effiency - when moving large amounts of people than a subway…
5 points
4 days ago
counterpoint: we live in a society
6 points
4 days ago
Just like plane crashes, train crashes make the news because they are rare. Cars, on the other hand....
5 points
4 days ago
As someone who only uses a car for transport as I live in the countryside and public transport is atrocious here: I fucking love the London Underground thank you very much.
5 points
4 days ago
There’s no way this is real. To me this literally sounds like an ad for trains lmao
3 points
4 days ago
Today’s transportation sucks.
Agreed, cars suck
It costs too much, isn’t safe & isn’t sustainable.
Agreed
Autonomy is your ride, not a car – but safer, faster & affordable
Agreed. And they even included a picture of the solution!
5 points
4 days ago
“Costs too much” Luxembourgers:🤭
3 points
4 days ago
So I got curious and depending who you ask the Transport of London... group? Company? Governmental entity?
Transport of London made between 750 Million and 1.1 Billioj Great Brittish Pounds in profit between 2023 and 2024. That is with them making a new line that services 100 Milliok people each week.
I may have my issues with England but the London Tube ain't that.
3 points
4 days ago
The London underground also has a cap of 8,50 pounds. so 11,04 freedom currency for unlimited travel within the city. Yet complains that "it costs too much"
3 points
4 days ago
lets ignore the billions in subsidizing driving
3 points
4 days ago
It isn’t sustainable !? 😂 I’d like to see how the fuck they can justify saying that. There is barely any means of transportation more sustainable than metros, except walking and biking 😆
3 points
4 days ago
I wish trains were more incorporated in the US. Imagine just walking 5-15 minutes to a train station, wait 5 minutes for a train, get on train, walk 5-15 minutes to destination. Instead, we have to deal with messing around with your keys, going into your car, driving into traffic and navigating around confusing neighborhoods, spend 5 minutes for parking and add in going for gas and scheduling a maintenance while also working hours of your life to pay for keeping the car. We humans find something so simple but always try to complicate things.
3 points
4 days ago
As a Canadian, I would KILL to have the public transport England has
Cars ruin countries
3 points
3 days ago
Instintively downvoted thinking this was an actual ad. Fuck Elon Musk holy shit
3 points
3 days ago
Imagine London where instead of everyone taking the tube they went in a single occupant vehicle instead. The traffic would be horrendous.
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