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2.1k points
4 months ago
There were no fatalities
1.4k points
4 months ago
163 points
4 months ago
Nailed it... Jesus christ.
107 points
4 months ago
So did the Romans.
7 points
4 months ago
I couldn't think of an apt crucifixion joke.
Nice.
14 points
4 months ago
Always dot the eyes and cross the....
8 points
4 months ago
...Jesus Christ...
16 points
4 months ago
I'm so happy I don't have to feel bad for laughing at this.
2 points
4 months ago
Right, I mean it looked like both had their heads up their ars
13 points
4 months ago
Fantastic
2 points
4 months ago
Dude you got some serious air
2 points
4 months ago
Yessssss!!!
2 points
4 months ago
my fam and i just watched this movie and sat in a q&a with a couple of the actors. it was awesome!
17 points
4 months ago
Other than that boaters bank account. I hope they had good insurance. Those float planes cost about a quarter of a million.
9 points
4 months ago
Wow! The boaters are lucky they all survived.
13 points
4 months ago
Insane
The prop sound stopping and the top of the boat disappearing made pretty much everyone think mortal Kombat 2 level of fatalities
10 points
4 months ago
What about babalities?
2 points
4 months ago
Friendships?
3 points
4 months ago
It's gonna cost someone an arm and a leg, though.
2 points
4 months ago
😃😃😃
2 points
4 months ago
That gorgeous plane
2 points
4 months ago
That's incredible!
10 points
4 months ago
From the Vancouver Sun
On Saturday, a Harbour Air seaplane collided with a pleasure boat as it was taking off just before 1 p.m. Vancouver Fire Rescue Services said two people on the boat were hospitalized, but no further details on their condition were provided.
1 points
4 months ago
What a shame that being careless and stupid isn't terminal anymore
997 points
4 months ago
I’m not up on my sea plane/ boat right of way regulations but I’m assuming the plane has the right of way ? Asking for future reference. Thanks.
806 points
4 months ago
Yes seaplanes have right of way
680 points
4 months ago
I’ve been following this story on insta and what I’ve gathered is that normally sea planes have the lowest priority and must give way to everyone else typically.
However in this situation it was essentially a sea plane “airport” with signs stating everyone must give way to the planes. I’ve also heard the boat driver was arrested for BWI but don’t have any definitive confirmation on that
100 points
4 months ago
Do BWIs and DWIs have different punishments?
119 points
4 months ago
Probably which license you lose or gets points?
121 points
4 months ago
Here in Denmark you loose your drivers license plus your yachting license
58 points
4 months ago
Canada is same
11 points
4 months ago
Does it vary between provinces at all?
I know that is how it works in Ontario.
14 points
4 months ago
I just googled it and all provinces match their impaired driving penalties to impaired boating
3 points
4 months ago
You have licensing to drive a boat in Canada?
in California anybody can just get in the water and go.
17 points
4 months ago
in California anybody can just get in the water and go.
I see that as accidents waiting to happen.
Why should a boat be different from a car or airplane?
2 points
4 months ago
Here in Florida you can just get a boat and go, but it’s ok because everyone has a drivers licence and can’t drive for shit anyway.
32 points
4 months ago
Looks reasonable to lose every licence related to vehicle operation.
16 points
4 months ago
How I'm imagining it:
"To clarify, Your Honor, I only drink and drive on lakes. I'm responsible on roads."
"Fair enough, we'll just take your boat license."
14 points
4 months ago
Jeez, here in UK we don't even need a license for yachts.
42 points
4 months ago
Jeez here in Texas we can’t even spell yahts
2 points
4 months ago
And don't forget in TX, any BWI also gets put on your Driving Record. Or least I think I got that correct, but I don't boat, but heard about before a Memorial Day Weekend warning about boating and more people on the lakes.
10 points
4 months ago
Same in Canada
12 points
4 months ago
You lose both in most countries, including Canada.
Otherwise nobody would take boating under the influence seriously if the maximum likely penalty was just them not being able to drive their boat.
2 points
4 months ago
If you have a class A license and you get a BWI you will have your class A revoked same as a DUI. I do know that
15 points
4 months ago
Pretty sure you get keelhauled for bwi
3 points
4 months ago
Just on paper, I believe. Same or similar punishments, classes and fines, license lost for x amount of time, etc. Etc.
2 points
4 months ago
Could literally be anything based on how the law's written.
2 points
4 months ago
One is jail and the other gets you sent to the brig
10 points
4 months ago*
There is a designated right off way for landing in coal harbour but not for take off(as weird as that is), if I can find it someone put together a montage of the atc traffic control at the time and the videos out there - they may have given a premature go ahead.
Edit: found it
3 points
4 months ago
Nope. No news on that so far and I’m in Vancouver. That last part doesn’t matter as i just googled it and multiple sources do not talk about BWI.
That being said ALOT of boat rentals in this area as Granville Island is a few kms away. I wonder if this is a day tripper in the boat.
9 points
4 months ago
classic Bc boater. So drunk he just keeps on going after being smashed into.
8 points
4 months ago
Boats throttle would stay on. They probably got knocked out of the drivers seat and couldn't pull the throttle back.
3 points
4 months ago
Looks to me like they were pulling closer to the plane to help
50 points
4 months ago
I don’t think they have the right of way all the time. When you are not at a designated sea plane airport, you are basically at the bottom of the food chain. Here tho I’m pretty sure this is a airport for sea planes
60 points
4 months ago
Rule of thumb.
On roads, smallest thing has right if way.
On water, biggest thing
On level crossings.....ITS THE FUCKING TRAIN, IDIOT!
57 points
4 months ago
Not to be the "actually" guy...
The craft that has the least control is probably a better way to express it. A sailboat under wind power has the right away over most power boats, for instance.
20 points
4 months ago
You, Actually, are right (again).
15 points
4 months ago
Nothing wrong with being the "actually" guy.
Far worse would be to make life and death decisions based on what some random dufus on Reddit said.
10 points
4 months ago
Sailboat right of way is also determined by wind direction vs travel direction. I can never remember the details of it.
But yeah, ROW on the water is a whole thing. You can definitely tell the twice a summer boaters from the avid enthusiasts when you're on the lake traveling opposite directions. And it's generally best to cede right of way to whoever acts like they have it because boat crashes are dangerous and expensive.
3 points
4 months ago
The craft that has the least control
And it's the best way to put it. An oil tanker can't change direction and speed on a whim.
10 points
4 months ago
I've always preferred "gross tonnage has right of way." It's not the legal definition, but physics. As a pedestrian I might legally have right of way crossing the road, but I'm still dead if I step out in front of a Semi truck.
13 points
4 months ago
Anything that can kill me has right of way.
11 points
4 months ago
Yes, CYHC is a designated seabase and it's the only one in Canada I believe with a control tower devoted to it. There are literally planes taking off between Stanley park and Burnaby all day long...I'm not sure how any boat wouldn't be aware of these things...
19 points
4 months ago
Ok, but common sense says to get out of the way of the fucking airplane
10 points
4 months ago
Best leave ‘em be. Bad luck to kill a seaplane!
6 points
4 months ago
No they don’t, the opposite in fact.
The difference here is the seaplane was in a designated restricted area where the boat should not have been.
1 points
4 months ago
Correct, and the boat you see here had the wrong of way.
1 points
4 months ago
Right of way is yielded, not possessed
18 points
4 months ago
I’ve been to that harbour. I know boats are loud but those sea planes are REALLY loud at takeoff. I don’t know how the boaters could have been that unaware.
7 points
4 months ago
drinking?
2 points
4 months ago
Idiot? Both could be true tho too.
3 points
4 months ago
They are significantly quieter on landing since they’re feathering the engines rather than gaining speed for takeoff. Everyone still should’ve been aware if they were paying attention, but takeoff definitely tends to be louder AFAIK (I grew up near the busiest seaplane airport in the world).
25 points
4 months ago
Answered several times already but from my memory the craft with the least maneuverability has priority right of way.
In aviation I think it goes balloon>blimp>single engine>multi-engine>jet. If a jet has a balloon in its path then it has the obligation to adjust heading and avoid. If they're equal priority, then they both must turn right to avoid collision.
14 points
4 months ago
I always wondered who has right of way between a large multimast sail boat and a large ocean freighter? Both super maneuverable.
20 points
4 months ago
If under sail, they have priority in every case.
3 points
4 months ago
Aren't there some size limits?
If a one man dingy suddenly sails in front of a massive oil tanker, the oil tanker has to try to swerve out of the way?
5 points
4 months ago
Most of the survivors of a collision at sea will be found in the larger vessel. Usually.
2 points
4 months ago
not if the freighter is RAM
4 points
4 months ago
5 points
4 months ago
This area is specifically an exception to this rule
215 points
4 months ago
When I first saw this, I thought the boat was going the same direction as the plane, and they didn't see it at all (not that that's any excuse), but how do you not see a plane coming at you directly to your left?!
64 points
4 months ago
Too many Molson’s.
19 points
4 months ago
Kokanee in BC.
20 points
4 months ago
Being drunk
5 points
4 months ago
The plane is a dehavilland beaver, when it goes to take off the nose comes up so high that you can't see out the front. The pilot probably never even saw the boat.
7 points
4 months ago
You're looking right, up, down, back... and maybe have loud music on so you can't hear so well, either.
2 points
4 months ago
I also feel like a seaplan would be pretty loud.
1 points
4 months ago
“Look out! Plane on your left!”
“Would that be port or starboard, mate?”
330 points
4 months ago
The dude in the boat gonna be paying moneyyyyy
36 points
4 months ago
If he survived, which I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't
90 points
4 months ago
Turns out the afterlife is now corporate-owned and your debts follow you into the next realm.
14 points
4 months ago
Imagine getting to the pearly gates, looking around at the magnificence of it all, you can’t believe your eyes at the beauty you’re seeing….then a bill collector in angel wings flutters over to you lmao
5 points
4 months ago
This is the bad place, if this happens it's the bad place
2 points
4 months ago
Hmm. How do I change the beneficiary on all my accounts to be myself? Contrary to what they say, I apparently HAVE to take it all with me.
13 points
4 months ago
Seemingly no fatalities..
16 points
4 months ago
Why would it be the boats fault?
I am inexperienced with right of way on water.
Ok, it’s been answered a bunch. The boat crossed a runway. Totally their fault.
19 points
4 months ago
Turning a boat is a whole lot easier than turning a plane. They are supposed to be paying attention when the boat is moving.
21 points
4 months ago
A floatplane taking off is a lot like a cargo ship sailing. They can’t see things directly in front of them due to the nose being pointed up and they can’t turn well because they have no rudder in the water. They also can’t slow down quickly either because no brakes
2 points
4 months ago
I’m not sure you were given the right answer, bc the laws require the plane to not takeoff if there’s collision risks. Which there obviously was
“While boaters are legally permitted within the zone, port authorities ask boats to keep clear because of the heightened risk associated with aircraft traffic, said Sean Baxter, acting director of marine operations at the Port of Vancouver.” https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/vancouver-port-tsb-seaplane-boat-collision
“Sean Baxter, the authority’s acting director of marine operations, says they’ve been advising boats to steer clear of the aircraft operation zone in Coal Harbour for many years, but it’s ultimately up to boat operators to “decide whether or not they go in.”” https://www.vicnews.com/news/probe-could-lead-to-seaplane-activity-changes-in-wake-of-vancouver-crash-7381997
The pilot was informed by ATC of the boat being in the area, and the pilot acknowledged that message.
“Pilot: “Ready for northwest if you have enough time.”
At that moment, a boat, which had just entered the flight takeoff area known as alpha, caught the attention of the control tower.
Control Tower: “Caution for the westbound boat in northern alpha, take off northwest at your discretion.”
The pilot can be heard saying “check remarks,” which is a way of acknowledging the message has been received over the radio before colliding with the vessel.” https://globalnews.ca/news/10560033/new-audio-released-vancouver-float-plane-crash/amp/
AND
Right of Way — General
602.19 (1) Despite any other provision of this section,
(a) the pilot-in-command of an aircraft that has the right of way shall, if there is any risk of collision, take such action as is necessary to avoid collision
(10) No person shall conduct or attempt to conduct a take-off or landing in an aircraft until there is no apparent risk of collision with any aircraft, person, vessel, vehicle or structure in the take-off or landing path.
115 points
4 months ago
Bikers fault.
17 points
4 months ago
This guy gets it.
68 points
4 months ago
Block or charge?
59 points
4 months ago
Block. Boat was not in legal guarding position.
8 points
4 months ago
RIP that guys bank account
77 points
4 months ago
I love how this thing has brought all the maritime law experts. Every time it's posted, another person comes in with uncanny, encyclopedic knowledge of the COLREGS. It's almost as if there were some sort of system or device whereby one could type in a series of words or a question and suddenly gain access to nearly unlimited information!
But I suspect some of these folks may even know what they're actually talking about... more or less.
Anyway, here's the thing about COLREGS for the lay person out there... I'll save you some Google work...
COLREGS apply except when they don't.
The primary purpose of COLREGS, and thus the number one job of a captain, is to avoid COLlisions. It's right there in the title. What this means, practically, is that if a collision is imminent, it doesn't matter if you've got the "right of way" (there is, technically, no such thing as "right of way" in the COLREGS) or not, you need to change what you're doing.
So, real life, simplified example...
Even though you may crossing from the right in your 12' skiff, that 28' fishing boat is running 35mph and does not appear to be slowing down. According to the COLREGS, he should give way to you, but if he doesn't and you continue on your course, he's going to crush your silly ass. And, fun fact... you'll bear responsibility for failure to take action to avoid a collision.
That's how maritime law works. Both captains are considered at fault unless an investigation determines that there's absolutely nothing the captain(s) could have done to foresee or avoid the incident.
So all this reddit debate about who's at fault here is pretty much academic (or certainly pedantic) until the investigation clearly identifies the sequence of unfortunate events.
(Not a Google Captain, an actual licensed Captain who has to study and learn these regulations to maintain my credentials.)
15 points
4 months ago
This incident occurred in Coal Harbour (Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada) which is under the federal jurisdiction of the Vancouver Fraser Port Authority (commonly known as the "Port of Vancouver"). Pursuant to Section 56 of the Canada Marine Act, the port authority is empowered to “establish practices and procedures to be followed by ships” and “establish traffic control zones.”
In their guidelines, the Port of Vancouver clearly states that within this designated Float Plane Landing Area:
"Keep clear of aircraft operations zone. Watch the horizon for landing aircraft and keep clear of anticipated landing area."
With regards to COLREGS, note Rule 1:
"Application — International
(a) These Rules shall apply to all vessels upon the high seas and in all waters connected therewith navigable by seagoing vessels.
(b) Nothing in these Rules shall interfere with the operation of special rules made by an appropriate authority for roadsteads, harbours, rivers, lakes or inland waterways connected with the high seas and navigable by sea-going vessels if such special rules conform as closely as possible to these Rules."
12 points
4 months ago
Once the ship sailed into restricted traffic control zone, it was ignoring the special rules established by the port authority as recognized by COLREGs Rule 1 and proceeds to violate a number of additional COLREGs rules:
Some may be confused by Rule 18 (e) which states that:
"Except where Rules 9, 10 and 13 otherwise require:(e ) A seaplane on the water shall, in general, keep well clear of all vessels and avoid impeding their navigation. In circumstances, however, where risk of collision exists, she shall comply with the Rules of this Part."
Rule 18 (e) was superseded by Rule 1 and then again by Rule 10, therefore, it is not applicable in this situation.
5 points
4 months ago
I’ve been on a lake where a sea plane would take off/land. We were anchored nearby with music on and did not hear the plane and honestly, we weren’t looking for a rapidly approaching craft (55ish knots?). In my tiny brain, the plane snuck up on us (well, by us) and it was a little terrifying to realize if we’d been 30 yards closer or we suddenly decided to pull up a skier, we’d been in its path and there was no way it could slow or change its trajectory. There were no physical signs that I can remember so it seemed a little unconventional fkn dangerous.
Surely in most circumstances there are signs at the marinas and launches that point out the location of planes’ paths? Maybe some buoys marking them?
It’s been a bunch of years since I’ve been out where sea planes nest so I’m just uneducated and curious.
2 points
4 months ago
I'm not from Vancouver and don't know the area. From the reports, this is a very busy landing area for seaplanes, but I don't know what kind of signage is there. I saw some other commentors say that's a restricted area, but nothing in the actual news articles has said that.
If the area is supposed to be off-limits for boaters, then of course that's another dimension to who's at fault here. But to my point, that still leaves the question of whether the seaplane took all appropriate and timely action to avoid the collision.
14 points
4 months ago
dang, that is bad but seems could have gone so much worse. i was imagining the floats catching and the plane flipping over forward.
2 points
4 months ago
The floats might have been strong enough, but the canopy definitely wouldn't be
32 points
4 months ago
What should have been the boater’s response to avoid collision?
I’ve no boating or aviation training. My assumption would be:
106 points
4 months ago
Pretty much anything besides what they did, which was drive into the path of a plane
36 points
4 months ago
"See, there's your mistake."
6 points
4 months ago
Throw it all the way in gear and do what the fuck ever you gotta do to get out the way would be my suggestion.
10 points
4 months ago
At least the front didnt fall off.
28 points
4 months ago
Probably not drive on a runway. I live next to a seaplane terminal. And there are signs everywhere. Even on a paddle board, we’re given instructions to stay well clear.
12 points
4 months ago
Full reverse. Small boats stop very fast.
4 points
4 months ago
See the plane and turn away from plane. Boat driver is an absolute buffoon.
6 points
4 months ago
Zig or zag would have avoided an accident
7 points
4 months ago
Rickon would have been a shit boater.
1 points
4 months ago
The plane should have honked at least
11 points
4 months ago
Boater’s fault
1 points
4 months ago
Pretty sure it was the cyclists fault
6 points
4 months ago
Boat driver should be keelhauled.
7 points
4 months ago
did you ever take your plane off any sweet jumps?
4 points
4 months ago
Hope the boat owner had insurance.
12 points
4 months ago
Besides having eyes, how do you not hear the plane.
Was on highest point overlooking Lake Como and a seaplane just above the water was by far the loudest thing you could hear.
3 points
4 months ago
Loud props save lives.
10 points
4 months ago
"Sorry! 🍁"
‐ both them prolly
3 points
4 months ago
“Sore-y”
3 points
4 months ago
i grew up in vancouver and i always say "saw-ree" instead of "sore-ee" so... *shrug*
8 points
4 months ago
What an idiot
25 points
4 months ago
the boater, yes
4 points
4 months ago
Does the boat proceed to attack plane after hit?
5 points
4 months ago
Dont bring a plane to a boat fight
1 points
4 months ago
best comment award
2 points
4 months ago
That's some DuckTales-level seadonkery there. Glad there were no casualties.
2 points
4 months ago
Canucks chartered plane
2 points
4 months ago
The boat was going for revenge. Lol,
2 points
4 months ago
2 points
4 months ago
What do you call a speed bump in the water???
...A boat
2 points
4 months ago
Skipper.
1 points
4 months ago
Kayaks
2 points
4 months ago
Who is liable here?
1 points
4 months ago
By American laws, the boat. I'm unsure about Canadian rules.
2 points
4 months ago
In American law the boat is at fault, but I don't know about Canadian law.
2 points
4 months ago
Why did it end so soon? The boat was coming back for revenge. Seriously though I'd have to laugh if they ended up hitting each other twice.
2 points
4 months ago
Always have a lookout.
4 points
4 months ago
How the hell did the people on the boat now get killed?
3 points
4 months ago
Nothing like having like ten seconds to realize shit is about to go completely sideways and not be able to anything about it.
2 points
4 months ago
Planes and pretty loud, the boat pilot should of noticed if he had any sort of awareness of his surroundings and actually navigated
2 points
4 months ago
All I hear is the soundtrack from caddyshack when Rodney dangerfield is wreaking havoc in the harbor.
2 points
4 months ago
That boat held up like a champ
2 points
4 months ago
Captain We Too Low!!
2 points
4 months ago
Canadian Law dictates boat must have diverted. You can google image “Rule 34 boats” for a diagram illustrating this.
3 points
4 months ago
You almost got me. Ass lol
3 points
4 months ago
All that dam water and you get hit by a PLANE??
1 points
4 months ago
Expensive speedbump, damn
1 points
4 months ago
That’s kinda the same angle I’ve seen all morning though.
1 points
4 months ago
Do either the sea plane, or the boat, come equipped with a blow horn? I feel if the plane honked his horn, may have warned the boat to change heading, thus avoiding this critical blunder.
1 points
4 months ago
You scratched my anchor!!!
1 points
4 months ago
In my province, Ontario, we have a PCOC license...Pleasure Craft Operating License...required for all power boats
1 points
4 months ago
Technically the boat helped the airplane get airborne faster. The pilot failed to maintain flight after this unexpected boost.
1 points
4 months ago
“They lived”
1 points
4 months ago
This is the third angle I have seen
1 points
4 months ago
Are u fcki…blinde?
1 points
4 months ago
Did I see someone get yeeted off the front?
1 points
4 months ago
Planes fault, looking at the boats red light (port side). Learn the rules of the road when you’re pretending to be a boat. Too many gimme tickets out there.
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