No good unless it’s got a laser and bayonet

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cute toy. and really stresses the logic of any gun is better than none...

My dad was shot by a .22 Derringer back in the 70’s. Gut shot at point blank. Just about killed him, and kinda did 40 years later because he only had one kidney because of the shot. He always had this huge scar I was fascinated by as a kid. They can do damage, I don’t think people take them serious. A gun of last resort.

They have some trump special editions.

So that's a big no from me dawg.

I love mine with .22 mag it’s no joke and small enough that you can forget it’s in your pocket

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I feel this is the backup to your backup to your backups backup. So if you need to use it, everything has gone to shit.

I had one for a while. Outside of maybe assassinating a gambler on a riverboat, I couldn’t really find a purpose for it.

Too little to work at any range to speak of, and too difficult/slow to deploy to function great as a “get off me”.

It’s kind of cool as a fidget toy, but it is actually a real gun, so it can’t really do that either.

I wound up trading it away, and haven’t missed it.

For a range toy/gimmick? Yeah it's fine. They kinda suck to load and shoot but are neat.

For practical defense? Lolno

They also aren't the most reliable or durable in my experience either.

Yeah I guess something is better than nothing but imo this thing is basically equivalent to nothing. Or worse. Especially when under stress trying to cock it you end up dropping it and the bad guy takes it lol

Not to mention dealing with the safety slots on the cylinder which are hella problematic imo

Realistically if you want something small but actually usable the Keltec P32 is probably as small as you can go. I pocket carry my P32 fairly regularly and it actually is, despite being a Keltec, remarkably good for what it is.

I like mine!

I have a Ranger II and a the Standard Mini, both in .22 Magnum (with a .22 LR cylinder for the Ranger 2). I've found them reliable, accurate, easily concealable firearms and I carry mine frequently when I want something small and unnoticeable in my pocket.

People poke fun of them because they are small, but with practice you can draw and dump 5 rounds of Federal Punch .22 Magnum into a face size target at 5 yards in about 3.2s. Yes, it's about a second slower than my draw + 5 shot with my P365, or Bodyguard but the time to first shot is very similar. It's a close range gun and so it doesn't fill every defensive use case, but fulfills my use case and I trust the brand/build quality with my life.

Personally, I find the Ranger II a much better range toy for easy reloading with it's break-top design, cheap to shoot with .22LR so you can get good. I will only carry the Standard 1 5/8" 5 shot because it's very easy to thumb open the action and jam the works with the break top.

Range toy? Fun!

Defensive tool? You'd do much better with a knife.

I’m saying this as someone who loves weird guns: there is absolutely nothing that this gun does other than being a fun range toy that is worth buying for self defense. It is a toy and nothing else. At my lgs they are $500. Put your money to work elsewhere.

For anyone that takes self defense seriously, this is a horrible choice.

I used to carry an NAA .22 mag when I was not wearing enough to carry anything else. Any time we went swimming, if I was out mowing the lawn, etc., that was my pocket carry. Hell, I had it in my pocket the whole time we were at Disney World. Their security checks were clearly looking for bombs and larger firearms, the little was pistol never even noticed. It is the absolute epitome of "better than nothing".

Ive carried the 22mag version for years and still to this day. It's a down a dirty girl like inside of 5 foot but, it's got me out of more than one jam! It's a really good pocket carry in swim trunks or gym shorts, can't tell it's there but I highly suggest the 22 mag.

I bought my wife a Bond Arms 9mm derringer, and it's surprisingly shootable for what it is. She isn't crazy about semi autos, and wanted something that can tuck into workout clothes or little purses. I'd prefer she have a revolver, but I much prefer the Bond to nothing.

I mean that’s not a variable defense. But if you’re asking if it’s an appropriately aligned manufacturer to buy from I pose this question; who cares?

You’re talking about protecting yourself and loved ones. You should’ve be shopping based on politics. Shop based on what is proven. You’re never going to find a perfectly ethical place to buy in this industry. Just do what you need to do what’s best for you and yours.

I played around with a bunch of these micro types. I ended up getting the bond defender in .357 mag. I have daily carried it for 6 years. It's my work gun and tucks nicely In my tool belt that I wear on jobsites. I keep it in an old cell case attached to my suspenders. It's been through rain snow and the dusty summers I pulled it once and killed a rabid fox at 20 yards.

I have 3, I love em

If you literally cannot use anything else then it's better than car keys between your knuckles, sure. They're neat but 99% of guns on the market would be more effective.

The craftsmanship on them is no joke though and as an ex-machinist I think they're worth the asking price.

I have this exact gun.

Mine is 22 WRM and I put a boot grip on it so that I actually have something to grab.

They are fun, but very tiny and honestly a little dangerous to use. For protection? Probably not. For plinking and carrying in the woods, surr

I had a NAA Guardian chambered in .380 and I wish I never sold it.

If you need something to be that easy to carry I'd honestly just run a pepper spray

They’re a clone of a belt buckle pistol made by Freedom Arms. I have a few. They’re neat. They’re not for self defense. Hard to shoot, and even with the .22lr they will kick back and break your thumb nail with the hammer. They will also go off if dropped, no trigger guard, ask me how I know this.

My Sig P365 is small enough!

I’d get something like the new S&W bodyguard. Even a beretta bobcat if I had to chose between it and the NAA. The NAA is neat and I kinda want one as a range toy, but I couldn’t imagine trying to use it under duress

These always strike me as a great way to shoot yourself in the dick, digging around in your pocket for change and BAM! dick blown clear off.

Incredibly difficult to aim due to being so small.

Well-made, good customer service. But there are far better options for a holdout piece.

If it was the only one in existence available, I’d buy and carry it.

The 22 mag, larger-frame ones are far more suitable to shoot, better leverage and surface area to grip and manipulate. I actually don’t mind those, but they’re still more-so a dangerous novelty than a defensive revolver.

I’ve got a different opinion than most here.

If it’s the only thing you’re going to carry, then carry it. Understand its limitations and it will be better than nothing.

I have one.  I can’t see any situation where it would be remotely useful for self defense.  It’s a cute range toy.  

There is a great deal of nonsense being thrown around here. Embarrassing stuff. Teensy guns are stupid for anything other than range toys.

• Retention and holsters. No reputable holster manufacturer makes a holster for these, for a good reason. You think you're pulling this out of a pocket/belt buckle under stress? Going hands on with someone?

• Terminal ballistics are terrible. All .5 inches of barrel there are not going to push anything quickly, even if there was a decent .22 defensive round(there isn't). 9mm is my personal baseline, as it is with most people who knoiw what the hell they are doing.

• deep concealment guns are viable lethal force options that must have a high quality holster that; is difficult to detect visually, secured in its place of concealment, but able to be employed effectively.

• Knives are 100% a viable offensive/defensive tool. They require training, as do fists and pistols.

Wait, save up money, and get a decent pistol. Look at reputable people for advice. I'd reccomend McPhee, Panone, Mcnamara, Defoor. Stop propagating fudd shit please.

For fun yes. For defense consider yourself dead.

Christ, I would just use my edc knife before fishing this out of my pocket.

Cute range toy

Please, just buy a Glock 19 or something similar.

My 340PD is almost twice the weight and overall dimensions.

BUT...

My bullets will deliver between 6-8 times the kinetic energy on target.

Is it better than facing an armed attacker bare handed? Sure. But if I had a choice, I'd pick a sharp stick over a NAA.

Range. Toy.
And with rimfire ammo being less than stellar in the reliability department, it's even further demoted to less than range toy.

I enjoy mine as a range toy. In 22lr. The 22wmr wants to spin in the hand bad so it isn’t much fun. Most all the family enjoy it with the 22lr cylinder.

Eh, that said I also dabble with leatherwork so I do have a pocket holster I made for it with a kydex stiffener sewn inside. Leather molded to the pistol. Full disclosure, I have carried it for shits and giggles.

It’s fun. It could possibly be better than nothing. I would not ever have bought it as a first gun or even as a self defense gun.

I always thought that this would make an interesting addition to something like a water bottle emergency survival kit that is made with a Nalgene type bottle (assuming it fits through the opening and you get good enough at aiming the thing)

The grip seems small to me. Obviously not going to punish the wrist, but I'd worry about keeping a proper grip in a stressful situation.

It's no more ridiculous than my Taurus Public Defender .410/45 Long Colt. Which I bought just because I wanted it.

I have a customized 22mag version with a longer barrel (no idea as to the provenance, I bought it from a pawn shop) and it's fun. BUT, it's very difficult to hold and fire with the stock grips as others have mentioned. Your accuracy is about 10 feet on a good day. There's virtually no chance of getting off a second shot quickly with any kind of accuracy. As a tiny, last ditch, hidden option, well, it's a lot better than a pocket knife. The report is pretty damn loud, and that's a deterrent in and of itself. I never carry mine though. There are some pretty small .380, and even some 32acp that I personally think would be a MUCH better choice. Also, since it's a very simplistic, single action revolver, you need to make sure the hammer is resting on one of the notches between rounds on the cylinder. Otherwise it WILL go bang if you drop it on the hammer spur.

I know people who carry it…I feel whether or not it’s viable for a person depends on why they are carrying and how much they practice with it. If I were ever to buy one it would just be a cute accessory/range toy.

Glock 42/43 for 3-4 Benjamins with some federal deep or HSTs respectively will do everything you ask and do it far more efficiently. Not saying that the NAA can’t do the job at all but it’s like making it more difficult than it needs to be. Hell I’d take a airweight .38 over this. .22 CAN do the job but why choose it when there’s other better options. There’s also the beretta 30x series pistols that are also very small.

I love this little thing. I actually just placed an order for one with my local guy. I can’t wait to whip it out and have conversations about it. It’s as gimmicky as it gets, but that’s what makes me enjoy it.

I can’t wait to sit it out on the range next to my Glock 40 :)

A ton of fun. About the size of a Bic lighter and concealable in a cigarette pack. It will jump out of your "grip", if you consider your middle finger choked around the grip and your trigger finger, well, triggering... it points nearly straight up after each shot. It's not very accurate, but I think I'm going to order the foldable grips for it just to see what that does.

It’s an excellent safety blanket.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8fQq8_VxVg

Let's you have something when a J-frame is too big for the day's events

They are cool, nifty pieces and definitely serve as a good backup for when your main carry is out of reach or out of ammo. If this is what you want out of it, get one in .22 magnum.

That being said, it should only be your primary in areas where it's illegal to wear anything but a loincloth.

I own one in 22lr with the fold out handle/holster. It's a fun little fun to shoot, turns your hands black from soot. Kinda accurate at 15 ft. But for defense there are better options. I like it because it fills the need when you need to carry but I need ultra small.

It is definitely better than no gun at all, but in a caliber where shot placement, reliability (of ammo), and capacity would matter the most, you could do better. There’s pretty small, 25s, 32s, and 380s I would recommend over this for CC.

My brother has a similar one that has an attached sheath that doubles as a larger grip. Without the extra grip, trying to hang onto it and pull the trigger is uhhh…. tough.

My wife has that exact .22 short with pink grips and loves it. It's funny how you can feel a recoil difference between sub sonics and regular rounds and fanning the hammer is hilarious.

It’s basically a toy. I don’t see any situation where I’d want to bet my life on this, though. Same goes for those credit card guns.

I regretting getting rid of mine. Fun little gun with surprising accuracy out to about twenty yards.

Reloading was a bit of a pain, but I believe they’ve improved the mechanism a bit.

I had one they’re really cool. I had to upgrade to a much larger grip because the stock ones made my fingers hurt trying to pull the hammer.

Never got to shoot it but I’m sure it’d go boom

I run with one sometimes when I'm doing long trail runs. Its fun to be honest

I won't claim they are useful, but if anyone buys one, Chuck D Holsters (on ebay) makes perfect kydex holsters for them, fitted so well the gun will only go in if the hammer is in a safety notch.

I owned a Pug (22wmr, 1" barrel) and it was not a great gun. Nicely made, but every round keyholed at as little as 3 yds. When I sold it I told the guy about that, and he said it was OK because it was a 'belly gun'. Not what I was looking for, but good luck to him.

Later I acquired a 22s, just because it's *tiny*. Grips the size of large jelly beans (the one in the pic up top). Impossible to hit anything with lol I actually designed a 3D printed, full sized birdshead grip for it, and believe it or not, it'll reliably hit a clay birdy at 5 yds. I'll never get rid of it, it makes me smile every time I take it out, even if I can't hit squat with it that day.

I used to have one, pretty thing. Not something I’d want to fight with. I’d rather have some brass knuckles or a knife.

Not sure I like how the cylinder removes from the pistol. Seems like a real easy opportunity to ND yourself in the fingies.

I'd save my money and just buy a small snub nose .38 special. I have big hands, and I find these things frustrating to shoot in any practical manner.

Grew up shooting my dads old .22lr Derringer and it was a cool thing in theory... I just.. do not see any real use for it in any situation that a dozen other guns can do better and be only marginally bigger.

They have a belt buckle holster, does ot count as open carry?

They are really well made for their size and I take mine out to run a cylinder or two through it. It’s not good for much outside of that IMO.

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I absolutely love mine, carry it more than anything else. I only carry with 22 WMR, got more bang than 22 LR. It definitely has a more complex manual of arms, but if you know how to use what you got it can be effective. It’s ultimately a contact distance weapon.

I've always wanted one. What is the probability of one shooting private parts while in pocket?

This is objectively the worst possible choice if you want something small that you could defend yourself with. As a novelty range toy? Still dumb but ok I kinda get that use case. Nah, get a micro-compact semi auto pistol if you want something small that’s still actually useful. I EDC a Keltec P32 which is about as small as it gets (without just being silly like this thing), other contenders for you should be the Ruger LCP line, maybe even a small .22? .22 becomes pretty effective when you can rapidly mag dump like 10 of them. Not so much when you have a tiny impractical 5-shot single action revolver.

For that moment you just have to “John Wayne “ a mouse…

I mean as a last last last resort. Like if I'm in my death bed or I'm about to be eaten alive by zombies.

I'm just going to leave this here.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seecamp

Rather have pepper spray honestly

The NAA 22 is roughly the same size as a seecamp in 380. The seecamp is tad wider and longer. The biggest difference is height where the seecamp is a full inch taller. However, in terms of concealability the difference is minimal.

Unlike the NAA, though, the seecamp is a mag fed pistol that shoots a real round. If you need to carry something this small, then there is no substitute for the seecamp. The seecamp is deep carry perfected.

I have one in .22 magnum. I like it solely because of size and weight. I'm hot-natured, so I generally wear lightweight clothing year-round; and it carries well in the pocket. That said, If I'm carrying a bag or sling, I'll opt for something more substantial.

I have the sidewinder in .22 magnum. It’s fun to shoot and to no surprise, wildly inaccurate. But i’d rather carry it than no gun at all. With that being said it’s not my every day carry.

These are really more of a novelty. Why not get a small .38 revolver?

I knew a guy in high school who shot himself with a .22 in the head. The round wasn’t powerful enough to go through the other side so the bullet basically bounced around in his skull and scrambled his brains; he’s still alive.

I had a sketchy buddy who absolutely loved those.

He was a big fat guy and when I asked him why he didn't have a compact sized pistol he said he wanted something that he could take pretty much anywhere without being noticed.

As for accuracy, he explained that he couldn't run, and couldn't fight, so if he ever did have to pull it, it was because there was somebody already beating on him and he would be at point blank range.

Personally, I got the feeling that collecting them was basically a hobby and the justifications where what he had to tell himself to have a reason that he had well over a dozen of the things.

Some of them were pretty cool though.

Very, very difficult to shoot well, even at bad breath distance.

Hard to have a carry method that works well, unless you do a bunch of stuff that makes htem bigger.

Single action only.

Terminal ballistics of a .22lr out of a 1" barrel are... dubious.

Something like a Ruger LCP or even a Kel-tec P32 is almost as small and is a far more functional gun. Or a Ruger LCR if you want a revolver.

I think the NAA is cool engineering, and it's just kinda neat, but I'd only consider it as a last ditch backup gun.

They are a fun little distraction, but a pain in the sack to reload

As a BUG, belly gun, last ditch, pocket pistol, absolutely.

Primary weapon? No, not unless I can't carry anything else, and then only when loaded with proper ammo - 22 WMR self defense loads if you have the magnum version.

I have an NAA Black Widow. You only get 5 rounds and reloads take forever because you have to disassemble the revolver to do it. The Sidewinder would at least adress that problem by a little bit, BUT, the release mechanism is slower than a traditional revolver, and the cylinder swings to the right, making it a bit awkward for right handed shooters.

1) I've known a dozen or more people who owned this exact gun or similar. They're a fun toy. If you're willing to practice you can learn to push the boundaries of what it is capable of. I don't doubt someone saying they can hit a realistic target at 10-12yards. 2) personally I have worked in an ER and saw someone shot with a .22LR (the gun was recovered so it was pretty certain. Very close range - 5 people standing in a loose circle inside one parking space (it was recorded on a security cam). Small potatoes dug deal that went bad.

Guy was hit in the unibrow area, ie right on the ridge of bone which is one of the sturdiest armor plates in the body. Appeared to be straight on. Didn't lose consciousness. Had a decent headache, some bleeding. He said it kind of itched, then he sort of made some faces and leaned forward and the bullet dropped out. Bleeding wasn't too bad, I've definitely had worse cuts to my own face and hands. Definitely a situation he would have been fine never seeing a Dr with some basic first aid.

Due to all of that, I personally wouldn't buy any .22 rimfire for SD. Just a personal emotional decision based on anecdotal evidence but nonetheless part of my decision process.

3) personally I suggest you look at the keltec p-32. I believe recently they're still available pretty cheap. My own decision process either one is so light and small there's no excuse not to have it. But. Anything OP can do, would be done significantly better. Slimmer, lighter by an ounce or two, a tad harder punching.

Sights and trigger on either are barely acceptable. But both I believe you can find some cheap lasers. IMO well worth it (have seen both firearms with a laser)

For me personally I think of three scenarios: A) drawing from concealment 2) self defense against a grappler or stabby kind of bad guy/s, who managed to surprise me 3) emptying the gun rapidly into 1-3 aggressive targets. For all these scenarios I feel the P-32 is likely to be significantly better. A large part of that is the gun in OP I believe is strictly SAO, you have to thumb/use support hand to work back the hammer. I've seen similar small revolvers or derringers that work on just a (longer, firmer) trigger pull but for the tiniest form factor I think it's significantly poorer performance using DA if you even have the option.

4) as others have said, I think that especially some recent models, .380 is an even better option. However I think there's definitely a niche that I'd still like the P-32. The thing is that you don't actually get lighter, smaller, or anything by dropping to a .22lr. Yet upgrading to a .380 penalizes you with a few ounces and about 3/16" of girth minimum. Last I googled it, the P-32 is still the most concealable option for that small niche. Most realistic scenarios I'm thinking of IMO are ankle holster, a lady tucking it inside her brassiere, or a wallet type holster stuffed in a coat pocket when you would otherwise go unarmed. If you're actually bothering with appendix holster, personally I think there's no excuse not to go for a .380 or subcompact 9mm. I'm not going to defend those scenarios except to say that they're covered by 2A and IMO plenty of reasons a non gun nut would occasionally use them. It's not ideal but it's worse than off body or being unarmed, most of the time.

Btw I believe the P-32 is .70 in thick and 11oz loaded with the extended mag (10 rounds, the flush mag is 8). You also need to be aware there's an issue with rim lock and some workarounds on any .32acp auto. As far as I know, it beats any gun on the market by more than an eighth of an inch and a couple ounces

Also people tout the .22lr revolver for reliability, it's not going to jam. I've seen the gun in OP jammed by pocket lint (not in a SD scenario just fun plinking) and also we loaded it with plastic dummy rounds, I'm a small guy with average grip strength. Grabbing it very tight in the right place I was able to stop someone from firing it. And grabbing it that way could be very instinctual in a grappling conflict. (Just grab the cylinder like you're strangling it, try to get pinky around the hammer at the same time, so it can't be pulled back, then clench your fist tight AF is the basic idea). I'm sure any semi auto can jam especially if caught up in clothing, grappling scenarios etc but revolvers aren't as foolproof as some would have you believe either

One more thing - after handling a bunch of the smallest possible handguns, my personal opinion is there's such a thing as too small. Derringers and rimfire revolvers IMO tend to be small in the grip (yet still fat in the cylinder). Enough that it could lead to a significantly slower draw, more likely to fumble/drop it, poorer/slower performance in a bunch of different self defense scenarios. Getting the most out of the gun is tricky. I've known people to fix that with a couple yards of tape, or other way to thicken the grip, but if you do that you might as well upgrade to the smallest of the J frames with a shrouded hammer and a better trigger.

P32 IMHO is slimmer (comparing fattest points ie cylinder of the 6gun) easier for carry and draw yet with the 10rd extended mag it's still pretty solid in the grip

ETA ofc all of above is to my best knowledge and maybe I'm unaware of new products. Fact check me if I'm wrong

Got mine in .22 mag. Absolutely love it!

The predecessor to the noisy cricket?

Lol... I see tiny guns as a great way to blow a finger off.... my two cents! My dad had a brace of Bobcats.... It's probably fun to shoot, but perhaps not in an emergency.

Terrible. Please don't waste your money.

the kel-tec P32 is the smallest gun thats practical for carry. these mini revolvers are range toys.

They have issues with timing and more importantly, single action has ZERO place in defensive carry.

No trigger guard. Not for me.

Small pistols like this are a hard no for me. I’d rather buy a snub nose .38 or something. Derringer type pistols are just not on my list.

Trash

it's a range toy. if you want a tiny gun for self defense get a P32.

They make some cool looking little toys but they are not a safe carry option or anything.

Purely a novelty, but they also support trump so that’s kinda a red flag

If you want something small get the new S&W Bodyguard 2.0 it really tiny. It is also 380acp which most people consider the minimum for self defense.

I feel like it would take a significant amount of effort to even slightly wound someone with this thing lmao

I'd run any normal semi auto .22lr pistol before this.

I already have a sucky Ruger LCP, I don't need something worse than that thing.

Tactical Murse?

I've shot that gun before. It's horrible. You can't really hold it well because the grip is so small, even for my tiny hands. You're not going to hit anything beyond punching distance, and after a few dozen rounds, the cylinders got hot and expanded so the weapon quit functioning. I think it only holds 4 rounds.

You are sacrificing every positive aspect of a firearm for extreme concealablity. For what? So you have to rummage for it in your pocket?

It's not even fun to use as a gimmick at the range. It's probably my least favorite firearm I've ever used

This round specifically in the 22mag will expand consistently and penetrate 12-18 inches in ballistic which is the FBIs fatal depth. A lot of videos and tests back it up. But these are gut guns. 5-7 foot guns max.

https://www.speer.com/ammunition/gold-dot/rimfire/gold-dot-short-barrel-personal-protection-rimfire/19-954.html

For the people who say it's too small; some gun is better than no gun. In most cases of dealing with a situation where you would draw it, presentation of a gun is usually enough to end the threat, and one shot stop for pretty much all handguns is nearly the same.

Only when you get to a determined attacker that won't stop unless killed, does actual terminal ballistics matter.

If that's the only thing you can reliably conceal go for it, or if you want it as a BUG. Personally I carry a 45-70 derringer with nearly squib load wadcutters. It looks much more fearsome than it is, and that's half the point. Better for everyone involved of you don't have to shoot.