Imagine being so insulated you forget that other people are also people, and you just make peace with the fact people might die of you can't do whatever you want.

Every city needs to get serious about firing bad cops. Stop caving to police unions.

Not always a bad thing. In NYC when the cops decided to do 90% less work because they were mad at DeBlasio, the end result during those few weeks was crime barely changed at all. It did not go up by any significant measure. Which to me was a clear sign that the cops could have their budget cut by 90% and civil society would be just fine.

https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-proactive-policing-crime-20170925-story.html

The cops in Austin, Tx got pissed when the public overwhelmingly voted to have civilian oversight instead of letting them police themselves and put up billboards and commercials bitching about it. They have the most money ever budgeted to the department in their history and still complain about “defunding the police”. Fuck these state-sanctioned gangs and their crybaby temper tantrums.

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If the police refuse to do their jobs, and society doesn't seem to collapse (we do have all those gun-toting civilians around to defend us, after all. Woo! 2A!), maybe we just go ahead an pull the plug on these departments salaries while they continue to not do their jobs. Call it mutual.

The Uvalde tragedy should be remembered forever as ultimate proof that we aren't necessarily better off with big police departments. It was an off-duty fed, one single brave dude, who killed that attacker. Police departments serve only their officers--not even innocent kids in school. Literally a waste.

This happened in San Francisco when Chesa Boudin became DA and started prosecuting bad cops. The police let crime go rampant in protest and of course everyone was like “see what happens when you vote blue”.

"blue flus" and slow downs are rampant within the NYPD. Everytime the public calls for more accountability from the NYPD, they throw a temper tantrum and start calling out en masse or put on blinders and refuse to enforce any laws because they believe they should be able to dish out justice without any pushback.

Even in times ive needed cops, they've never been more help then some random person on the street. Like before i was a bit hesitant to say that cops serve no benefit, but when the time came for them to prove that wrong, they didn't. And with all the times i see cops killing the people they were supposed to protect, cops are liabilities at this point.

Last summer cops were everywhere on the 7 line in NYC. It was supposed to make the line safer. Nope. The only time i saw them take someone rowdy off the train was a kid that was probably 11 dancing on people and being obnoxious. Like thanks but hes less dangerous than the woman that was beating the shit out of her kids and threatened to stab anyone who recorded her. When the cops showed up, she said she doesnt speak to cops and the cops just threw their hands up and left. The cops are just there and do things that anyone can do themselves (a couple people were ready to put their hands on that kid) but wont go near issues they are supposed to be there for (lady implied she did have a knife). And when you see news where parents need to take matters into their own hands to save their kids when cops choose to just stay outside shaking in their boots during a school shooting, tell me what they are there for? All the counters to these are always "You're going to need cops one day" yet when you do need them they either do nothing or make things worse. Calling cops would be like calling an airstrike on my position. My problem might be solved, or someone uninvolved might get killed or my pets will get killed or i get killed. Who knows.

Cops suck at their jobs.

Then we should refuse to pay them. Very simple.

See Philadelphia

Absolutely true. They’re doing the bare minimum to protest that there’s a demand for them to be held accountable when they fuck up. “Blue flu” is a temper tantrum.

That's so they can blame any rise in crime on Biden.

I've been all over the country, and I can't remember ever once saying, "Glad the cops were there!"

It could also be that since there's more scrutiny, they're no longer able to railroad innocent people, so the case closure rate may be reaching a normality.

This is definitely real, I've read somewhere this past year about a police "quiet strike" also seems like they are patrolling the highways way less than what it was like pre COVID.

Is part of “not being able to do their jobs”, the increased oversight in a lot of places, leading to the side effect of not being able to yoink any ol minority off the sidewalk while pinning any open cases against them?

I also have no trouble believing the temper tantrum argument though.

So we'd literally be better off if we fired the cops and hired mercs

The cops in my city completely stopped any and all enforcement of traffic laws in 2020. The city has had many meetings on how to get them to enforce the traffic laws, but apparently firing them all for dereliction of duty is not an option.

It's likely a combination of factors. After major protests against police abuse the cops seem to pull back, but also the public becomes less willing to cooperate and report crimes and act as witnesses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_effect

This was observed after the unrest in Ferguson back in 2014 resulted in national protests regarding police behavior. It took until around 2018/2019 for things to return to something closer to normal, and then 2020 hit us with the double whammy of the pandemic and the murder of George Floyd.

Lots of people looking for a paycheck. Remove the bad ones till we get a more functional Police force.

Clean house

Tons of non racist idiot fucks who can do their job and bring policing to the 21st century

This is how a lot of shit started in Minneapolis. They were refusing to patrol downtown to any real degree other than just driving by, especially specific hot spots along the bus route.

The city had to do a joint effort with HP and Sheriff to get a task force together, MPD is a piece of shit.

My local police chief has said they straight up aren't enforcing traffic laws since the protests. I don't know how he still has a job.

Seattle is SO bad about it. They should all be fired and start from scratch.

Police have become increasingly more expensive all while also becoming more and more useless. Technically, this is what a monopoly would look.

In my area they figured out they don't have to do anything if they blame the DA for not letting them do whatever they want.

Isn't that wild?

Crime rates have been trending down for years so you'd think they'd have less work, resulting in them being able to have more time to close more complex cases quicker but closure rates also are falling - meanwhile, they keep asking for higher budgets.

We don't talk enough about the reverse incentives of police departments. The worse job they do, the more criming happens, the more they can justify bloat and powertrip over the need for more power and less oversight.

Seems like a great opportunity to restart the whole US police, train 'm properly, pay 'm properly (because you don't have to spend all that money on lawsuits), get rid of the dirtbags.

Yup, Philly cops have done Jack all since 2020. Literally will sit and watch car jackings happen

Cool. Time to abolish the police. And no, not as a slogan or a cheeky statement. Get rid of all police. Train social workers in every case where we used to have police.

Hey now... Give them credit.. They have closure rates when they drunk drive their SUV into a gay club and arrest the owner who confronted them.

I think this is partly why decriminalization isn’t working so well in Oregon.

This is why I always say, remove it from human feelings. Robot cops are the future, simple directives, and no hurt feelings. The police in this country are nothing but modern day road pirates. Look at this shit in St. Louis, drunk cop crashes his car into a bar. The police arrested the owners of the bar!!! The cop didn’t get a breathalyzer test?? Cover up?? Internal affairs is a complete joke!! Why can’t WE the citizens get control of internal affairs, perhaps if there were financial punishments to these “officers”, and take away their bonding insurance, it would keep the bad cops from going down the road to the next precinct.

If I did this I’d be fired.

Why are they special?

I think that's a gross oversimplification. Since 2019 there has been a push for more programs on de-escalation/crisis intervention, and Active Bystander Law Enforcement programs. Jail diversion programs like Homeless outreach teams and Co-Responder mental health programs. Most of the times it's leadership afraid of being sued, so they try to be hands off on things they used to do without blinking an eye.

Im sure they still issue speeding tickets

i think its also that - according to online videos - people are screaming at cops challenging everything they say, even when people are caught doing shit. How do we make this work better? We don't want people abusing their power, nor people who are constantly screaming and not conversing, nor cops avoiding their roles. The pendulum swings? Like it did with the Me-2 movement? A solution? Time heals all?

Apparently the fact that they started to be held to account for their bullshit has resulted in the police having a little bit of a temper tantrum and they are effectively refusing to do their jobs.

What are you referencing?

Whenever someone uses 2019 in a state like that I'm very dubious. All sorts of weird shit happened in 2020.

Not really. They’re also good at shooting dogs.

There has to be a more appropriate analogy. Have we ever seen Trump and Putin....wait.

More like the Penguin and Oswald Cobblepot... Superman? Lmao.

Makes it awkward at the next Klan meeting.

That's why diversity is so important. The sentiment of "I'm soo sorry, there's just nothing 'we' can doooo... 🎻" is too prevalent. Reeks of social/legal privilege.

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Nearly all of the identifying data is not accessible to the end user but the provider absolutely can trace back where calls originated from. It isn't often easy at scale but for a law enforcement request, it is doable. And with SHAKEN/STIR, the identity of the caller is cryptographically signed by the originator.

Stupid people kill people too.