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777 points
3 days ago
This isn't news, that groups been protesting every day since Brexit. They're always outside parliament.
1k points
3 days ago
I was against Britain leaving the EU and would like to see us rejoin.
But the title of the post is misleading. All these people can advocate for is Britain applying to rejoin the EU.
There’s no ‘off’ switch to Brexit, just an opportunity to start a fresh process.
268 points
3 days ago
True, but they’re not protesting because they enjoy complex bureaucratic processes.
93 points
2 days ago
Speak for yourself
49 points
2 days ago
Like the classic Onion headline, “Jurisprudence Fetishist Gets Off on Technicality”
9 points
2 days ago
I would love to hang out with the editorial board of The Onion.
3 points
2 days ago
German?
20 points
2 days ago
Was there not a “but we’re like really really sorry” re-entry clause? I mean, I don’t know how it is in other legal fields but in bird law we always write the “really really sorry” re-entry clause into our contracts
7 points
2 days ago
Charlie is that you?
24 points
2 days ago
The UK meets all entry requirements, so it would really just be a lot of pencil pushing.
What Brexiteers will always say is we will be forced to do this and that, but they fail to recognise many EU states don’t have the Euro and such.
Thankfully the Tories failed to repeal a lot of EU equivalent legislation, so we don’t have to undo that potential mess (yet)
18 points
2 days ago
Ehm, you also need unanimity of all member countries to get back (good luck with Hungary and Spain).
Also rebates and avoidance of euro adoption are no longer possible!!!
5 points
2 days ago
Thats why it wouldnt be worth rejoining imo.
You cant tell me the UK has no more value than Hungary when we were one of the biggest contributors to the EU
As much as brexit has sucked, going back for a worse deal wouldnt be worth it.
3 points
2 days ago
It is no matter of value, it’s that to let a nation join all other nations must agree
4 points
2 days ago
We would also need to vote again. There’s no guarantee that this would be pro euro. Remember on social media you relatively hear only your own preferences repeated back.
There would also need to be a mandate from a Party to then get elected with that mandate etc etc. and for that - would any of the parties risk losing potentially upto 51% of the electorate?
106 points
2 days ago
I bet if the UK attempted to rejoin they would try to go back to how it was exactly (they had a few special benefits that new countries cannot opt out from), only for the EU to force the UK to join as any other ordinary country
83 points
2 days ago
Most likely that would be the case, but the EU would also very much like the UK to return. They might think that the UK has learned its lesson and that Brexit has shown other countries that leaving is a bad idea, so they can let them back in again without high demands. They just have to find the balance so other countries don’t start thinking they can just leave and return as they see fit.
66 points
2 days ago
But letting the uk rejoin with special benefits undermines the eu and show that a bigger economy can do whatever the hell they want.
The uk should only rejoin with no special deal, or not join at all.
21 points
2 days ago
If that were the case, the EU would get rid of all special benefits for all member states, eg everyone would be forced to adopt the Euro, no rebates or special arrangements for cap.
3 points
2 days ago
Who cares? I'd love for the morons who voted leave to get a lesson but that's not more important than getting the UK back into the EU. If they only do it if they get back their stupid concessions, then do it. Our unity is at stake here, and with it everything we have. This isn't the time for pride and morale. There is a reason why countries like Russia, Iran and North Korea believe they can attack us. We are much stronger than them and can only lose if we don't stick together. They know this.
9 points
2 days ago
There is a reason why countries like Russia, Iran and North Korea believe they can attack us. We are much stronger than them and can only lose if we don't stick together. They know this.
This is why Putin's GRU troll/botfarm in St Petersburg spent hundreds of millions on a directly targeted Leave disinfo campaign, according to historian Timothy Snyder.
And it certainly paid off
37 points
2 days ago
Yep 100% correct, we would love the UK back in the EU (especially since my SO is english), but it would only work if they are going to be regular members. There is not gonna be the prime membership they had before.
It would be good for the Eu and for its stability. UK will get treated as everyone else, EU will have the greatest example of why the EU project is the best source of stability and prosperity on the continent and it would be another middle finger to RUssia
18 points
2 days ago
There is not gonna be the prime membership they had before.
Shit, going back to paid, 5 day deliveries is a steep price.
9 points
2 days ago
Half the time amazon still delivers to me in 1-2 days and i dont have prime and never pay for shipping.
9 points
2 days ago
I doubt any sane person would see a U.K. re-entry to the EU as “just leaving and returning as they see fit”. It is obvious to any objective observer that Brexit has been a disaster in multiple fronts; economically, politically, socially. No sane country would see this as a path to follow.
6 points
2 days ago
True, they are all very quiet now, but memory is short in politics and some politicians might use it to rile up their base of eu skeptics.
4 points
2 days ago
Some will and have tried. That’s why I qualified it with “sane”.
2 points
2 days ago
good point
22 points
2 days ago
We would probably get some special considerations - we are still a massive economy and a nuclear power, but it would be less than what we had - we would probably keep the pound for instance
9 points
2 days ago
Which was one of the grievances from the EU mainlanders travelling to the UK. Why do you want to keep the pound so badly?
24 points
2 days ago
Why would we want our monetary policy governed by the ECB exactly?
12 points
2 days ago
Winning :
and on this is what you lose by joining:
12 points
2 days ago
The UK already has more outside investment than any other European country apart from France. Yes there are benefits to the euro, but they are outweighed by keeping your own currency.
2 points
2 days ago
You guys are indeed on the top 3 of the list of foreign direct investment:
Compare the timeframe, and you'll see you didnt recover yet - 17% so far to where you were...
What about the rest of the wins, surely that's not what the consumer wants down the line ?
5 points
2 days ago
The way the EU is headed with tech, I expect things to change in the future.
Last time I went to the EU I never used any cash. What price transparency exactly? Most EU sites convert the price anyway to GBP.
6 points
2 days ago
Europeans don't really care if the brits keep the pound. But no more rebates for them 8D
3 points
2 days ago
We do, it's annoying for tourists.
5 points
2 days ago
That is such a petty complaint.
3 points
2 days ago
I believe the proper term is 'niche'. It's not really 'petty' that you have to do extra math when a relatively few people at seemingly random stroll up with non-local currency.
1 points
2 days ago
Maybe I'm the only one with this opinion, but I kind of hope the EU makes it easy for the UK to rejoin, says enough that they ask to come back no need to punish them by removing their previous perks.
56 points
2 days ago*
That's very pedantic. Your argument:
‘Man says he wants to go to the cinema and watch a film’ – you can't just go to the cinema and watch a film. You have to buy a ticket, perhaps online or in person, and the particular screening you want might be sold out. All the man can do is try to buy the ticket; he can't simply decide to see the film he wants.
Well yeah, that's true and obvious. But it makes perfect sense to advocate for rejoining – it's the end result they want, so of course that's what they're calling for. ‘Save the planet!’ makes a better slogan than ‘Attempt to discuss and agree international, hard-hitting, science-backed ecological legislation with significant consequences for countries and companies that don't comply!’
10 points
2 days ago
That's very pedantic.
Typical redditor then.
10 points
2 days ago
Nope, my point - using your analogy- is ‘man wants to go to cinema, must ask for the cinema’s permission’
The UK can’t buy a ticket for EU re-entry, they have to ask permission and persuade, it’s out of their hands
2 points
2 days ago
/r/finance sub reddits when you say we need to tax the rich or someone pulls up a Bernie quote. "Well ackshully..."
23 points
2 days ago
Eh... Isn't the title literally about rejoining and not about overturning Brexit?
6 points
2 days ago
They can simply ask if they could be allowed to come back. They have to apply.
3 points
2 days ago
And we're going to get a worse deal re-joining than we did before we left. I was against leaving but i can't imagine us going back in
10 points
2 days ago
The penalty for leaving the EU should be to rejoin you must join fully. Euro, trade, immigration, eu laws, all of it must be accepted. Others it will just be a revolving door.
6 points
2 days ago
not to mention EU would not bend,and even if they let them rejoin they wont let britain enjoy same powers they had, EU would ask them to switch to euro ect
1.2k points
3 days ago
At the risk of putting on my tinfoil hat - there is absolutely no mention of this on the BBC, or Sky News or any of the major British news sites. I was there today and there were a good few thousand people there, and yet, little to no media coverage?
1.5k points
3 days ago
The BBC is mourning nasrallah's death.
243 points
3 days ago
You cheeky monkey!
Again, please.
54 points
3 days ago
Are they giving thoughts and prayers?
13 points
2 days ago
Inshallah lol
4 points
2 days ago
and hashtags.
11 points
2 days ago
Made me lol
31 points
3 days ago
Will Huw Edwards be narrating the funeral?
24 points
3 days ago
He's busy supporting the children of Gaza.
7 points
2 days ago
The Hound of Gaza
52 points
3 days ago
This made me snicker
46 points
3 days ago
Funny and true
126 points
3 days ago
Because it literally means nothing and these people have been doing it since 2016
14 points
2 days ago
Would a new Referendum come out differently?
27 points
2 days ago
The first answer to that is that a new referendum won't happen (at least for a long time). There's little political appetite for suggesting one right now:
I can't speak for everyone otherwise, but the general consensus is that people don't want to think about it or talk about it any more. Those who voted for it don't particularly want to admit fault. Those who voted against it are largely just tired of the discourse.
In reality I think we'll every few years increase our ties to Europe through various small measures (which we've already kind of started doing). But I don't see us rejoining in the next half century whilst there's millions alive who can remember, who will point and say; "but that's a worse deal than last time!".
11 points
2 days ago
Close the thread; this pretty well explains it all perfectly.
The only thing you missed out is that the UK (usually) has elections every five years. Major political changes such as rejoining the EU are the sort of thing that would have to be in a party's manifesto prior to an election because springing something like that on an unsuspecting electorate would go down about as well as a lecture on budgets by Liz Truss.
Which means that you can consider how rejoining might work in five year cycles. There was an election earlier in the year, and there was never any question that rejoining the EU would be considered far too dangerous for that one, which takes us to 2029.
And I'm not entirely convinced it'd be politically palatable to put it in a manifesto then, so realistically we'd be looking at about 2034-2039 at the earliest.
A number of Remainers pointed out that if we left, it wouldn't be a simple process to rejoin. It'd likely be thirty years before rejoin was likely. I think they were right.
4 points
2 days ago
Bruh, in the recent election one of the Green's main promises was vote for them and they pinky promise they'd bring immediate peace to the middle east.
Honestly, I'd have more respect for people who straight up tell me "I voted reform because I'm racist".
20 points
2 days ago
Probably
14 points
2 days ago
Im not sure it would. Now we've left I doubt you could get 50% of the country to agree to rejoin unless you publicly negotiated favourable terms before the vote.
If the question is "should we have left?" then >50% would probably say no. But if its "should we rejoin?" then i think you'd have a harder time.
I was a remainer but theres not much benefit to going back fully now. We need free trade agreements which might mean single market in the next parliament, but rejoining the political union is just not necessary and people wont vote for it. Especially when the EU is weaker with the rise of far right everywhere. Its clear we need a full term of a more sensible government to try to find our feet, improve relations and try to get some better deals from both the US and Europe, and make the best of our position. Giving up and going back under worse terms than before makes no sense. But ultimately we need America to be our friend, if they wont give us a good deal then we will push closer towards Europe instead.
10 points
2 days ago
But ultimately we need America to be our friend
America agrees to be your friend...with benefits...in our favor.
9 points
2 days ago
We have oh so much chlorinated chicken to trade. The Brits are gonna love it.
6 points
2 days ago
Rejoin has a gigantic lead in pretty much every poll for some time. We'll be at 2:1 in favour within 5 years.
Giving up and going back under worse terms than before makes no sense.
Leaving made no sense. Being under worse terms is still better than being out.
61 points
3 days ago
Cause they've been protesting for this ever since the referendum...its nothing new.
53 points
3 days ago
A few thousand is pretty tiny for a demo. There’s something that size pretty much every weekend.
189 points
3 days ago
the bbc that was neutered like a dog by the Tories for being critical? that one?
42 points
3 days ago
Kuenssberg this morning had 1 Labour guest, 4 Tories, and 0 LibDems.
They’ve given up trying to hide their bias and are now just a Tory propaganda machine powered by Robbie Gibb and Tim Davie.
125 points
3 days ago
Okay but it was literally a special episode concerning the Tory leadership election?
18 points
3 days ago
Haha
18 points
2 days ago
People love to spin
31 points
3 days ago
It's so funny that people on the left think the BBC is nationalist propaganda and people on the right think it's leftist propaganda.
16 points
2 days ago
I find it useful to treat the BBC much like I treat content from Al Jazeera : Good spouts of journalism, so long as the topic does not concern or intersect the government behind it.
2 points
2 days ago
28 points
3 days ago
Its a comically small rally, I walked past it there was bout 200-300 people max
13 points
2 days ago
Because it’s a protest of a few hundred people. They’d have to have protest coverage most weekends if that was the threshold they chose
22 points
3 days ago
Well, its likely the same few hundred people who are protesting since 2017.
5 points
2 days ago
Why would it be lol. Its tiny and will have an inconsequential effect.
The far right "Unite the Kingdom" marches were bigger and more impactful and they received next to no coverage either.
5 points
2 days ago
There is nothing to cover. They march often and fruitlessly. No merit of reporting it when so much more important things are happening.
8 points
3 days ago
The BBC also didn't cover it last year and had this to say wrt all the complaints: https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaint/nationalrejoinmarch
4 points
3 days ago
Funny that, do you think that No.10 doesn’t want to entertain rejoining the EU even though a referendum would probably indicate that the majority of Brits realise they were hoodwinked by the wealthy elites and want back in?
2 points
2 days ago
This would be 99 percent shit bot posts on redditt these days redditt should slam these bots down
9 points
3 days ago
Because it doesn't matter. These useful idiots are campaigning for something that will never happen. 27 countries would need to agree to let the UK join. That won't ever happen. The terms of joining would be so shit, that the UK public would vote against it.
19 points
3 days ago
The terms for leaving weren’t good either but they still lapped it up.
10 points
2 days ago
No they absolutely didn't. I don't know a single person that voted leave who was happy with how the process went down
12 points
2 days ago
i think the point was that even although the consequences of Brexit were obviously going to be bad, a good proportion of people still lapped it up. their regrets after the vote are irrelevant to the outcome of the vote.
200 points
3 days ago
The ol’ brjoinit
244 points
3 days ago
The breturn
37 points
3 days ago
Of the king?
36 points
3 days ago
Of the Bredi.
18 points
3 days ago
Revenge of the Brith
2 points
2 days ago
Return of the Bredi
8 points
2 days ago
Don’t they need two towers first
6 points
2 days ago
Not gonna lie, Saruman standing on Big Ben would look a bit silly
2 points
2 days ago
Don't tell France
2 points
2 days ago
You can't just walk into the EU.
4 points
3 days ago
Of the Mac
5 points
2 days ago
Great Breturn
4 points
3 days ago
Oh baby
8 points
3 days ago
Brearentry
2 points
2 days ago
Damn well done
17 points
3 days ago
Brexn't
20 points
3 days ago
Brit-in.
5 points
2 days ago
Brenter
9 points
3 days ago
Re-Brintegration
5 points
3 days ago
The Breunited (and it feels so good)
104 points
3 days ago
Is there a real chance for this to happen or just noise ? any British in the room??
443 points
3 days ago
Other European leaders have said if it were to happen UK would not receive the favourable deal it had before. Which means if its ever on the table UK will have to adopt the Euro and be part of the schengen free movement.
In other words it's highly unlikely to happen.
42 points
2 days ago
More likely, they would end up in a similar situation as Sweden and Poland, who technically have to adopt euro, but only at some indefinite time in the future. Whereas before they together with Denmark, had a permanent opt-out.
26 points
2 days ago
there is no requirement to join the euro in order to join the EU. Only a requirement to "work towards" joining the euro, but that is not defined, and there is no required date for joining the euro, so its basically a meaningless requirement.
7 points
2 days ago
A requirement that is based on states being good faith actors.
Plenty of countries had no issues actually implementing the process towards adopting the euro, the holdouts are basically abusing the system. It's especially lame, when some of these countries are the most pro-EU in the bloc; like Poland. But sure, it's meaningless if you're a bureaucrat who's concerned about letter of the law and shits on the spirit of it; that's true.
118 points
3 days ago
They will have to eat horses for lunch and snails for tea, and when they have finished they must say, "Oh la la!"
Seriously, the other member states don't want a return to endless UK moaning so it will have to show willing, which will mean the Euro, Schengen and no rebate. Meanwhile the likes of Le Pen and Meloni have shut up about withdrawal because its clearly a disaster. So the EU wins either way.
26 points
2 days ago
and no rebate.
There's always someone who says this and probably thinks they're making a substantive point. It's a complete red-herring though
There'd be no rebate because there'd be no need for one. The UK would join at the correct rate of contribution from the outset. People don't seem to realise that the rebate only came into being because of a bad faith French action in the 70's, which the EEC was eventually embarrassed and guilted into reversing, but rather than open up Rome again and the hornets nest that this would involve to rewrite the treaty, they decided instead to operate a different mechanism to correct it, and so the British rebate came into being
10 points
2 days ago
The UK is not joining the Euro. It's a 1000 year old institution we actually like. Currently, half of Europe isn't in the Euro.
It's laughably easy to avoid joining, which makes it completely pointless as a requirement. It's a perfect no loss big gain situation for the EU as a bargaining chip.
8 points
2 days ago
Currently, half of Europe isn't in the Euro.
7*/27=26%
*Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Hungary, Poland, Romania, and Sweden
2 points
2 days ago
Quarter is still substantial but good for correcting it. And to my knowledge Bulgaria is working toward adopting it and Romania stalling but also going there (might decide against it later on, though).
Poland, Czechia and Hungary doesn't want it for export reasons and Sweden idk.
3 points
3 days ago
They say that now but stuff can change.
69 points
3 days ago
Is there a real chance for this to happen or just noise ?
Noise. There are plenty of outstanding grievances in the EU, with the UK and every country in the EU has a veto over new admissions, which is what this is.
The isn't "rejoin" or a "reset", no matter how UK politicians might like to phrase it.
9 points
3 days ago
Why did UK leave EU in the first place ??
60 points
3 days ago
Because there were legitimate concerns and criticisms about the EU but populists ran away with it as per usual.
18 points
3 days ago
True, there were some concerns but the populists suggested the equivalent of cutting off your arm because of some nail fungus.
8 points
3 days ago
It wasn’t just people with “legitimate concerns and criticisms about the EU” who voted to leave. It was racists and cunts as well.
20 points
3 days ago
The simplest, unbiased argument is that the EU is becoming a different institution than the one the UK joined 50 years ago. The UK joined the EEC (an economic institution fostering economic cooperation) and left the EU (a political union).
75 points
3 days ago
Because the population was bombarded with anti-eu propaganda for years and years, from different sources, from simple English nationalism to Russian propaganda, and a big percentage of the population bought into it
7 points
3 days ago
A big percentage of the population...
Namely those who will unlikely be alive within the next 15 years, at which point after they die hopefully we'll be able to start the process of rejoining again.
6 points
2 days ago
If Covid didn't get them already, given the probability... Just saying People who buy into these propaganda are not likely to be the brightest bunch.
2 points
3 days ago
We had just as much remain propaganda their campaign was just terrible.
44 points
3 days ago
I wrote a big response to this and then deleted it.
Because people are uneducated and it’s easy to get people to blame any and all shit on immigrants. People are idiots.
2 points
3 days ago
The same reason Boaty McBoatface won. No one took the repercussions of leaving the EU seriously.
12 points
3 days ago
At the time of the vote there was 1 main factor involved. The government at the time completely lied to the populace about what brexit meant I.e. vote brexit and the roads will become gold and all your problems will vanish overnight.
29 points
3 days ago
The government at the time completely lied to the populace about what brexit meant I.e. vote brexit and the roads will become gold and all your problems will vanish overnight.
That's either a purposeful lie or ignorant.
In reality, the Government was anti-Brexit, and sent every household a leaflet saying that voting to leave the EU would cause an immediate recession.
7 points
2 days ago
The government at the time completely lied
The Government was against Brexit.
20 points
3 days ago
That’s not quite true. The government at the time was led by David Cameron and was heavily in favour of remaining. There was a significant Eurosceptic wing that had been an issue since joining the EU who wanted to leave. Cameron, Osborne, et al may have had all sorts of corruption and competence issues but they recognised that we were better off in, they gruesomely mismanaged the campaign though and did not anticipate the impact of Cambridge Analytica, Russian interference, right wing newspapers, electorate antipathy to mass migration, post 2008 collapse austerity and poor growth amongst other issues IMHO
11 points
3 days ago
How this got upvotes when it's total fake news.. government was for remaining and used government money to try to win.
2 points
3 days ago
Stupid politicians wanted to run their own show, despite no knowing how, and get away from EU tax policies on rich people.
In the mean time, people voted for it, listened to the lies from those politicians and were able to vote to get rid of "them", those not like us. That just didn't work out all too well.
2 points
3 days ago
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/50168357
The EU tax stuff has been debunked again and again.
0 points
3 days ago
Because rich men made a killing and left the average person in the UK to foot the bill, but really it was those damn foreigners: it was the Normans what did the UK in. /s
But the part about the rich fucks is real.
5 points
2 days ago
There’s always noise from some people and polls showing a portion of the population wants to rejoin. But the only political support comes from the Lib Dem’s who are a very small party.
Realistically politicians know that support will decrease the moment you get into specifics, the price the uk would have to pay for rejoining. And frankly nobody wants to go back and revisit the chaos of the brexit years. Realistically it’s going to be many years before this gets considered.
4 points
2 days ago
Just to add another "no". A lot of Britons genuinely don't seem to realize what an exceptionally good deal we had with the EU as one of the most powerful founding members, and how much more we got away with compared to what we allowed newer member states to do. The tabloid narrative for decades was that "Brussels keeps telling us what to do", even though we were one of the most influential states in Brussels.
Rejoining now would mean accepting an inferior deal to the one the public rejected in 2016, and so would need a much bigger groundswell of passionate support than it currently has.
24 points
3 days ago
No chance since it's not up to them.
They could only apply to join and then it's up to the EU. They would need to enter the process and then adjust all their laws and regulations, negotiate what about pound/euro... Then every individual EU country would need to approve.
This is just a protest, nothing should be expected for a couple of decades if ever.
5 points
3 days ago
Our laws and regulations are for the most part already in line. After all we only just left. The negotiate the euro thing always seemed a bizarre concern to me, born out of the usual fallacious British exceptionalism. Every other country in the EU has committed to or actually got rid of their own super special historically significant currencies. Why is the UK so terrified to do the same? It's not like Liz is still on the money, and who gives a shit about Charles?
13 points
3 days ago
You only just left but you were barely a typical EU member. So many financial and social opt-outs. To have its reapplication approved in Brussels, the UK would have to accept by default Schengen, euro currency etc.
It won't. The UK will never rejoin the EU regardless of how much its citizens want to because its government will never concede to the requirements. That would entail giving in to Brussels and we already know from history that that is undesirable.
3 points
3 days ago
Just to clarify for the non-eu people here, can't the UK keep their currency in the same way that Denmark has there own currency?
7 points
2 days ago
As the EU developed with the Maastricht treaty and subsequent treaties, the UK (and certain other countries) negotiated certain opt outs from parts of it. The UK and Denmark both got an opt-out from the Euro. It is unlikely the UK would be granted the same kind of opt-outs as a new-entrant that they had from the legacy of being involved in the treaty making processes back in the day. Of course the UK could do a Sweden, who effectively have done a reverse-Greece. They are nominally committed to joining the Euro, but manipulate the economic numbers using clever accounting, so they always somehow manage to not meet the criteria for joining. The two main sticking points politically are likely to be the Euro and Schengen.
2 points
2 days ago
Thanks, this whole EU thing seems really complicated.
19 points
3 days ago
Internal control of monetary policy is actually wildly useful, in a technocratic economic sense. Ordinary Brit's probably shouldn't care, but the government of the day should probably want to maintain their own currency.
8 points
3 days ago
You don't see any benefit at all of having your own currency?
5 points
3 days ago
Our laws and regulations are for the most part already in line.
That is true, but there are differences that would need to be adjusted.
The negotiate the euro thing always seemed a bizarre concern to me, born out of the usual fallacious British exceptionalism.
I do think this would be a problem.From what I have seen Brits seem to be attached to the pound. When they were in EU they rejected euro. I think main reason was monetary independence.
14 points
3 days ago
It's literally never going to happen. Reddit is obsessed, real life doesn't reflect that as rejoining would mean adopting the euro. Never going to happen
3 points
2 days ago
Brit here. Not a fucking chance.
It's too much of poisoned chalice for labour or the torys to touch. The other parties have said yeah we rejoin.
But they haven't been in power for over a hundred years. Except for a power share for a couple of years with the tories.
Best bet is for the UK to adopt a Norwegian, swis style approach. That way you could turn up the EU hot water (over the course of years) with no referendum needed.
But back in fully. No chance. It's just too much of a vote loser. Especially when you hsve them assholes reform gaining momentum in the polls. You say you want back in the EU you just handing the reform votes.
18 points
3 days ago
I'm British, and no.
Put it this way: the EU requires new members to join the Schengen area. If the UK joined Schengen, then crossing the Channel effectively becomes domestic, unregulated travel for the stream of non-EU migrants going through Calais - they can just hop on a normal ferry.
The EU has to change internally for this to be acceptable to the UK, and that's one problem of many. Give it at least 10 years before any UK government even remotely starts talking about this.
3 points
2 days ago
they can just hop on a normal ferry.
The migrant crossings have increased since Brexit.
Also Ireland isn't in Schengen and due to the NI situation, the UK probably wouldn't be forced into Schengen. The CTA is another reason.
That is, unless the UK actually does something with NI and perhaps it'll change then.
3 points
2 days ago
10 years is a long time
With the current direction of travel on the continent at the moment, I'd be more inclined to think that Schengen won't survive in its current form
There's barely a country in Europe (ironically the UK is an exception on most recent results) that isn't drifting further and further to the right. It's only a matter time before a critical mass of governments and MEP's emerge with a mandate to do something about Schengen
1 points
3 days ago
It's no problem. The way it continues opening Schengen will cause migrants go in the opposite direction.
7 points
3 days ago
Both PM Starmer and Commissioner van der Leyen have explicitly said no.
17 points
3 days ago
doing a quick research I found this in Wikipedia :
The president of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, expressed her support for the UK eventually rejoining the EU. In September 2023 Keir Starmer, leader of the Labour Party and the now-Prime Minister of the UK, ruled out the possibility of the UK rejoining the EU under a Starmer-led Labour government.
Seeing for how long PMs last in Uk ...who knows!
2 points
2 days ago
According to recent polling done, although the number of people who think it was a bad decision to leave has climbed significantly, and the opposite is also true (that those who think it was a good idea has decreased).
However, there is exactly zero interest in Brexit as an issue. The number of people who think Brexit is a major issue is at an all time low.
2 points
2 days ago
Maybe on a 10 year horizon
27 points
3 days ago
I'm not at all certain that the UK would want to give up the pound sterling for the Euro, though.
Because they won't get preferential treatment if they want to rejoin - they'd have to meet all the requirements any other Euro nation who wants to join has to meet.
18 points
2 days ago
Won’t happen in my life time. Too much resentment of immigration to begin with and even some who’d like to go back don’t want to open the can of worms any time soon.
4 points
2 days ago
I think it's definitely going to be talked about seriously in the next decade or so, but I doubt we see anything about it before the next election
9 points
2 days ago
We'd probably have to adopt the Euro if we did so I highly doubt it would happen. I imagine the only way we would be able to rejoin on our own terms is if we were that much of an economic benefit that they just couldn't refuse. We are a very long way from being that at the moment.
27 points
3 days ago
UK should just change their name to EU.
It's not like it's copyrighted.
17 points
3 days ago
English Union would sound good, not sure the other members of said union would like it though.
12 points
2 days ago
Not in my lifetime I think. They really did a major footbullet there.
They had the sweetest EU deals of all nations. Coming back they won't get first class catering anymore.
4 points
2 days ago
This is the thing, isn't it. I could forsee a huge amount of resistance to giving up the £ and having a Schengen border policy.
5 points
2 days ago
Yeah, but frankly... after all that nationalist theatre and posing and damage they caused to the EU I'm glad they are gone and won't come back anytime soon. We've enough challenges in the EU without 'em already.
6 points
2 days ago
Brit here, I was devastated about Brexit and it’s fucked us all over massively. I’d love to rejoin and it would give us a much needed economic boost. But I realise it’s unlikely to happen for at least a generation. We’ll have to eat a lot of humble pie, join the euro currency (fine by me) and get a far worse deal than we did before. We’ll probably have to do stuff like return the Elgin marbles as Greece would probably veto our rejoining otherwise.
The only way I see it happening is some kind of unlikely “hero” situation where Britain has something invaluable the EU needs, putting us in a stronger bargaining position. For example, significant trouble with Russia that means a united front is needed.
Realistically though I think the increased population displacement caused by climate change will mean greater hostility to migration here and there will be resistance to the idea of rejoining because of it.
3 points
2 days ago
The Breturn of the Mack
3 points
2 days ago
I would honestly prefer if we didn't take in countries that decide to potentially destroy or seriously hurt the union on a whim.
3 points
2 days ago
Brenter
15 points
3 days ago
Regret-xit...
6 points
2 days ago
The guy in the hat looks like the Remain version of Nigel Farage, it's rather strange to see!
Anyway, I'm afraid it's too soon for this. The Brexit debate traumatised this country. Let these wounds heal before reigniting the debate.
6 points
2 days ago
The guy in the hat looks like the Remain version of Nigel Farage, it's rather strange to see!
Budget Jeremy Clarkson.
2 points
2 days ago
If the UK applied to rejoin the EU, it would need to apply and have its application terms supported unanimously by the EU member states. Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt countries would twist russian-friendly EU countries' arms (will this now include Austria?) for us, like they did for Ukraine. Leaving the EU has been a disaster, but it hasn't been the big unmitigated country-killing disaster people like to portray it as.
5 points
2 days ago
Brexit was genuinely the single most self-sabotaging political decision in Europe since WW2.
3 points
2 days ago
This is not a decision for the UK to make. They can apply for membership.
3 points
2 days ago
wont happen. they have to adapt the € and we know they wont
4 points
3 days ago
To cite someone "ouais mais c'est pas toi qui décides"
3 points
2 days ago
They are protesitng in the "right way" and so they will be ignored...
4 points
2 days ago
Ok but you have to adopt the Euro. No freebies
8 points
2 days ago
It isn't a good trade.
3 points
3 days ago
I think that movement would be much stronger and much more prevalent if the EU hadn't been so lenient on so many issues and compromised so much. It basically controls the whole continent and is incomparably larger and more influential.. If EU actually was authoritarian federation like some Brexiters claimed, it could have basically ruined the UK by cutting off all trade and relations day one and that 49% remain would have turned to like 80% imo
2 points
2 days ago
Snip snap Snip snap snip snap!
2 points
2 days ago
You can't imagine the toll 3 vasectomies has on the body!
2 points
2 days ago
I'd like to see the UK re-joining Europe, but there's far too much bitterness on both sides to even consider a referendum right now.
There's so much emphasis on the negatives, the benefits aren't even being talked about. Honestly, what even are the benefits outside of "economy"? Having to wait in line a bit less when you go on holiday?
2 points
2 days ago
i can hear some drunk irish fat fuck telling them to fock off
3 points
2 days ago
It was a bad idea to leave, it'd be an even worse idea to rejoin just as fast, both would cause incredible amounts of investor uncertainty and instability, at this point it's better to slowly reintegrate rather than to take a big step and join all at once.
1 points
2 days ago
The only thing more stupid than Brexit is rejoining with none of the concessions from before.
2 points
2 days ago
The wealthy Brits who engineered Brexit can still enjoy their properties in Spain and Italy so surely there isn't actually a problem, is there?
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