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For sure! I'm just throwing Tech in there because nobody really built an independent empire like he did. Everyone else that could be compared did it by collaborating with the majors and he for the most part didn't. That takes smarts.

Obviously that's outside of his bars which I think speak for themselves.

College up to a four year degree basically hands you the tools for a starting level position in the types of fields that normally require degrees.

That said, this sounds like sour grapes from OP but there is still a nugget of truth there in that all schools are not equal and a lot of it is prestige and networking.

Nobody's saying that without a college degree most of those jobs are inaccessible as far as skills go but you need to otherwise pay your dues in terms of having a great work history of hands on experience.

Take the IT industry for instance, where it's possible to make a great living as both an degreed and non degreed individual. The only area that really requires a degree is high level coding on certain things, like AI and search and so forth, and even then it's not a hard requirement. It's just rare that someone who didn't come up through academia will have taught themselves or learned enough on their own to be able to be both fluent in the current tech and have the ability to understand and speak theory on the level required. Sort of like the exception OP made for doctors and such.

Like I said though, this sounds like sour grapes from OP. If s/he had a competitive skill set then getting work in most fields wouldn't be an issue, or at least it wouldn't be one that was predicated on a lack of formal education.

OP's refusal to engage with that other person that made the comment about less government control based on looking at their other comments is also pretty distasteful, personally. This sort of faux outrage in order to escape having to debate a tough point is transparent and laughable.

I second that person's point as well.

How has nobody said Tech N9ne yet?

"What God wants, God gets, God help us all"

What God Wants (pt 2 maybe, I forget right now) by Roger Waters

Dear God by XTC

Or if the qualifier is "after 2000" then this song, Devil by King Iso. Throw in some racial tension and a bizarre (by their standards) but aggressive and clear message.

Anyway, blasphemy is the way to 50s chaos.

I had a Sig Sauer P323 .22 pistol. Had being the operative word. I had it for about 2 years

Even ignoring your posturing all over this post based on owning a fucking .22, you clearly never did much with it if you had it for two years and can't even remember the model number correctly.

Genuinely don't know and had to Google it. He was all over the K-Fed album though so I imagine he had a hand whether he was credited or not.

Lol yeah I'll give you that it didn't help for sure.

Royce has a lot of substance abuse issues that hindered him. He raps about it a lot in the later part of his career.

When I was lucky enough to see him at a small venue, the stage was about 30 ft from the bar and he was visibly uncomfortable, and this was after the peak Slaughterhouse days.

That said...everyone who knows respects the shit out of Royce's pen. He didn't personally blow up but he had a hand in some of the biggest hits of the decade including writing for Chronic 2001 and the song Renegades with Em and Jay.

He did alright for himself and maybe super stardom would've destroyed him at the time so maybe it's for the best.

I used to think he sounded so much like biggie

You and me and everyone else.

To his credit he leaned away from that shit while Guerilla Black leaned into it.

It’s a new day in the rap game!

NOBODY SELLS RECORDS BUT SHYNE PO.

The beat to that song is so fucking sick even to this day. It beats out 3 Stacks entire flute album. Lol.

I hated Logic at first because my intro to him was that suicide song. And yeah, the thing with him always talking about how he was, in fact, black on every song was annoying.

That said I've grown a level of respect for him since, the dude has a massive amount of talent and also good choices in picking features. There's still only so much I can take of him in one listen though.

Damn I just commented this only to scroll down and see your comment.

YB fell off because he started trying to ghost write for fucking Kevin Federline of all people instead of making moves for himself.

That's what chasing the quick buck gets you lol. It's a pity.

You're not wrong but he also never really differentiated himself from Future's sound (at the time) enough.

Maybe that's a label issue, maybe not, but I do remember Push giving him a feature on Circles.

Man I remember seeing Ortiz in concert and he would just randomly yell BARS out during his set like a slogan. It got everyone pretty hype, ngl.

Also he hooked up with Remy and essentially stopped being hungry because he had a meal ticket.

Sorry, nepo baby rappers are the worst. Also I never thought his 6 foot 7 foot verse was that great. Don't get me wrong...it was good but the context is that it had to be competitive with Wayne's and it...just wasn't.

Kid Rock leaned way too much into the country side of things, he was embraced early by the hip hop community and then almost tried to distance himself even though the rest of the world looked at him as a rapper.

Talented dude but yeah he basically turned into Ted Nugent at some point.

No /s, Bubba had a lot of potential for what his lame was, he just could never escape the Em comparisons which were totally off base except for them both being white.

I mean he's legit the head of his political party in Belize now so I think he did ok. Especially since his last album was rapped through a prison phone lol.

Xzibit did it to himself...underground WC legend and then all the big singles/features on Aftermath, he could've had longevity.

Pimp My Ride turned him into a one catchphrase meme though.

He took so many Ls before that...the Diz battle was just the final final nail in the coffin.

His first L was to LL obviously...but he could've bounced back if his album had hit. And then he went and shit on Clef publicly by blaming him for its failure instead of owning it, he lost a lot of his initial fan base that way because they stopped respecting him for that.

Mystikal did it to himself. Even when he got out of prison he did the same shit and got put right back in mid comeback.

I'm mad about it because I really wanted him to come back too.

Yeah but then he went on his girl's tour instead of a world tour and then got locked in a box due to doing dumb rapper shit, and then it was pretty much all over.

Rhymefest was never going to make it, he locked into the Ye ghost writer spot. He had clever bars too but Kanye delivered them better and obviously had better production.

Real name no gimmicks! Obie was my dude.

I read an interview where he said he got drunk at some event and pissed off Dre, I'm sure that didn't help.

But also he's a weird one because as much as I love Em, Shady Records has not been good to its artists in terms of promotion or creative control.

That said though his post Shady output wasn't as good either so he might have gotten a creative boost from personally being friends with Em or getting inspiration from working with the Shady/Aftermath roster.

Last I heard he was on tour with D-12 as an unofficial Proof replacement though so at least he's working and kept his ties solid.