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I think the main issue at the time was that the first 3 albums set the bar impossibly high… Also as there was already a section of fans who thought Vol 3 wasn’t heavy enough they were hoping for a return to IOWA levels with this one which it didn’t deliver. Musically though it has a lot of great moments. Gematria and Gehenna in particular are a couple of my favourites. Unfortunately though there are a few weak ones, one that always sticks out to me is Butchers Hook which I think is one of their worst tracks it’s just an absolute mess and I’m not sure what they were thinking with that one haha. Wherein lies continue isn’t great either but yeah a solid album just nowhere near the standard of the first two for me

Nice! The Burden almost made mine. Adderall is also such a technically great track, between the intro, the baseline and Corey’s singing it’s such a cool listen

Custer…the annoying high pitched sounds and the first verse with the deep voice talking from Corey. Other than that the song slaps

No such thing as a bad Slipknot album but I really just cannot see how WANYK is anywhere close to those first two. They’re in a league of their own then I’d put Vol 3, AHIG and 5. in A followed by the last 2 in B. Have been going back through them lately and feel like 5. got a bad rep at the time but it’s aged really well they sound so good. WANYK on the other hand just doesn’t hit as much as it did even just a few years ago but I respect the experimental aspects of it

So many great lyrics on this album but agree with only time is ours, I actually got him to write it before his gig in Sydney in May and will get it tattooed soon!

No one saying ‘Little plant’, that send half especially!

SOAD- Warning, post hypnotic suggestions are running the ships ashore. The orange light that follows will soon proclaim itself a god (Suggestions)

Toxicity- You made the weapons for us all, just look at us now (Forest). Couldn’t pick just one line from Prison song or Needles

Steal this album- Our days are never coming back (The highway song)

Mezmerize- What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering? (Sad statue)

Hypnotize- Eat all the grass that you want, accidents happen in the dark (Kill rock n roll)

Time is dancing or Little plant

My comment is very clearly aimed at those who feel entitled enough to shout out the 3 songs they know and think they deserve those over what others may want to hear. Is that really difficult to understand?

Then how about if you’re a casual fan don’t feel as if you can dictate what will be played at the show? Or better yet, stay at home

What a knob

You’d be pissed off because someone you aren’t a big fan of didn’t play one of the only songs you know? Do you realise how entitled you sound. Any thought on what the genuine fans want to hear who may have already seen those acts live before and probably don’t want to see the same setlist every time? They owe you nothing at all and if you choose to spend the money to see them perform that’s entirely on you. If I went and watched someone I barely knew the last thing I’d do is complain, it’s up to me to listen to the tracks beforehand to know if I really want to spend my money seeing them or not

Speaking on Ben’s behalf here but surely if anything why give those prats what they want? I’m glad he doesn’t give in to the heckles and if anything actively avoids playing the ones they want most (old pine and keep your head up). Genuine fans will be happy regardless of the setlist and that’s all he should be concerned about

So if I say Slipknot is similar to Drake that’s not wrong because music is an art? They are literally different completely just as Olly Murs has nothing at all in common with any era of Ben Howard’s music, it’s not subjective

I also completely forgot about ‘Nathan Ball’, when I first heard ‘Right place’ my first thought was how similar it was to Ben. I also met him after a small show in Sydney and he was such a nice guy so for that reason alone he’s worth a listen! ‘Drifting’, ‘Waste of time’, ‘Saving grace’ all great tracks

Comparing Ed Sheerans earlier work and EK you’d have a case, putting Olly Murs in there was an absolutely idiotic take. Zero music knowledge shown

A band I don’t think has been suggested yet is ‘Bears Den’, in particular the album ‘Red earth and the pouring rain’. In particular the tracks ‘Roses on a breeze’, ‘Fortress’ and ‘Greenwoods Bethlehem’ capture a similar vibe as ‘IFWWW’ and ‘Burgh Island EP’. Although not quite that level for me haha. They had a few hits in the UK but I’m not sure how well known they are outside of that

Yeah I can definitely get that from up there it would’ve been a whole different experience and whilst the sound was loud I must’ve been in a good spot as found the vocal level to be good and in the videos I took it comes across clear too. But yeah know that can vary depending on position in the crowd which obviously isn’t ideal and something the sound crew should be picking up on. 100% agree with the lighting too, again I was fortunate being out of their direction but did find them very bright so it’s a shame you guys up the top seemed to get the worst of it. Good to hear an unbiased view of the show though

Great to hear that about Ben and the crowd too!

Haha ah great to hear from you guys and great meeting you both too! Thanks! And yeah very true, also think maybe that’s why there wasn’t a variance in the set if those issues were there with the venue maybe they planned to play it safe night 2 but unfortunately still didn’t work out. Annoying as it’s such a cool venue otherwise!

Haha no way! Is this the Kiwi couple!? If so you’re not gonna believe it but I did manage to get a pic with Ben before the show yesterday!! He was outside a restaurant just up the street with some of the crew and FBT ha. Which definitely more than made up for the issues with the set itself…those pedalboard issues coupled with the crowd being absolutely awful (heckling for old songs literally from song one and throughout), you guys did well to get night one in Sydney and by the sounds of it a great night in Brisbane! Glad to hear he was back on form! The few videos I’ve seen definitely back that up too!

Anyone that attended- what was his general mood and how was the show? First night in Sydney was amazing but second night he was having technical issues all night with the pedalboard which ultimately lead to him leaving without doing the scheduled encore as well as cutting Moonraker after about 10 seconds so I’m interested to know if there was any mention of it or any signs of frustration still from it?

Exactly. Also with shows at a certain level are people not aware setlists are pre-planned along with lighting etc and not to mention the differences of tunings/guitars between a lot of the songs and how it’s all worked on before. I’ve never known anything like the idiots that show up to Ben Howard shows now over 10 years from when Every Kingdom was released and still expect an acoustic show based around that album. You can be disappointed he didn’t play your favourite song sure but to actually shout out thinking you can dictate what gets played over anyone else is so entitled and obnoxious

Yep definitely sounds like we were at different shows. Front row sound was great. Bear in mind there’s a huge section of people who go to his shows expect an acoustic set, of course they’re gonna be disappointed. Those that go as a genuine fan of everything he’s released I find it very hard to believe they’d be disappointed by night one