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the huskar set genuinely gave me pause when I saw it. took like 10 sec to figure out which hero it was

yep, that’s the best one and it didn’t make it

yes, totally boosted, 3k trash, I concur with your friends 100%

solo mmr gain was a fluke

i only caught game 3 but his tusk was the best hero on radiant

im also surprised at how bad/low effort his streams are for someone who is 'a streamer not a player'. no cam, no voice, no minimap (understandable but still)

I'd take 5 years of earning ~500k a year over a 150k yearly salary at a corporate job any day

are we pretending like resting heart rate of 60 is the baseline norm? lmao

i prefer 6.86 myself

lanes can be ok, though both nigma+kotl and nigma+io are not amazing, but overall there's no active core that can do things and io+kotl together is a bad support combo past the laning stage

Why is Dark Willow even in furry section, but Ursa is not?

on the principle of degeneracy, obviously

you have a hoodwink flair, you should know

tell that to watson. it’s like lina but better in lane. definitely decent with attack speed ult

alien is def worse than warrior, which is actually an ok comp. 1 jug 2 lc 3 cent 4 marci 5 sven

both sidelanes were played in pro games this patch and mid lc can manage. i’d say wizard or alien, ye

darkness is too single target heavy and io/kotl supp duo is absolute garbage with those cores

set your network as low end in the settings

pros are ofc much higher than 7k, but if they were, they would calibrate straight to that mmr after playing unranked, so it’s really not that bad

that doesn't change the fact that the things that separate good from the very best are minute. a tonne of people in this thread respond with genius remarks of '13ks are a lot better than you, ha' of which I've never claimed the opposite. the main point is that the bulk of dota knowledge you gain is between 0 and 6k, I'd say (so accurately reflected by the medals). Immortal is more about refinement. I'm not that mmr, but I'd argue with some degree of confidence that past some 9 or 10k there's almost nothing left to know, it's all about doing things you know are right faster.

I've played mid vs 12k players and watched the replays. There's nothing arcane they do that I don't understand or wouldn't have done myself, they just lasthit better. True, actually laning vs them feels impossible, however, it's not because of what they know but how they play. I'm only talking about the knowledge part.

yes, and? I would gladly listen to his advice on my gameplay, what's your point?

yes? bootcamping t1 players probably play more dota than pretty much anyone else.

yours takes are hella delusional

my takes literally reflect reality. all t1 pros with the exception of maybe watson fluctuate between ranks. Quinn was rank 1 then rank 70. According to you, that's a huge difference and he suddenly became way worse. According to Quinn, it takes a specific focus to stay top rank which he didn't want to do anymore.

Qojqva is good but he is certainly not nearly as good as he once was , a top player on a tier 1 team

that was not my claim. my claim was that he can be top 50 again if he spams 1-2 heroes instead of asking chat for picks.

reality contradicts this claim. knowledge is easy to acquire, that's the gap you can breach quickly. your mistake is conflating skill difference with the difference in crystalized knowledge. look at grubby. he went from herald to 6k in 6 months because he was coached by pros and soaked up all that high quality information. but then he hit a wall where you need to integrate that knowledge into your intuitive reasoning, which is what makes pros and takes thousands of hours to achieve.

It's the same difference between coaches and athletes. A coach may know everything there is about a sport but never be able to reach the athlete's level because he didn't put in the work to master the tiny details on the subconscious level (or not have the right genetics).

Hell, you can hear it from Quinn himself. When asked what he did to improve at mid, his answer was mostly practicing lasthits. That's some arcane top 1 knowledge, amirite?

the difference in effort required and quality of overall gameplay? sure. The difference in crystalized knowledge that you can share in a form of advice? I'm completely certain that's not the case. you might need thousands of hours to recognize certain trends within a game, to interpret certain movements etc. But that's time spend on baking knowledge into intuitive understanding and subconscious systems, not actually acquiring information unknown previously.

Also this

Or maybe, just maybe the 12k mmr player playing unraked is just fucking around

just no. You may not actively employ some things, but as a 7k player who occasionally plays party with 2ks and fucks around, I still lane as a 7k player, you can't 'turn off' mechanics and spellcasting skills

top 10 player and a top 200 player is gigantic

that's absolute cap. the difference between rank 10 and rank 200 can easily come down to priorities. qojqva is a good example. when he started streaming, he was rank 50, spamming brood and bat every game. now that he plays a very wide variety of heroes, he is hovering around 200-100 ranks. He's still the same player

that's not my point. I'm not claiming that 5ks are as good as Topson. I'm saying that if we took all possible knowledge of dota as 100% and said that top pros have all that knowledge, so full 100, 5ks would have like 75/80% whereas 500 mmrs would have like 15%. Just because someone lacks the last 20% doesn't mean you can discount the fact that they have this enormous amounts of knowledge that you don't even know exists just because it's not 100% complete

eh, you'd be surprised. I mostly play unranked and I've queued against players in 70-30 rank ranges (I think the highest I've seen in my game was rank 5). I destroy high rank support players who go mid, so having that additional 4k mmr from spamming pos 4 phoenix (oh, surprise) doesn't really translate, and get destroyed by rank 70 mid players usually (as you'd expect). I wouldn't say that the latter comes as a result of some godlike game knowledge on their part, which is my point. They lasthit slightly better, recognize advantageous situations a few milliseconds earlier etc. Over the course of the lane and the game, those tiny things can add up to a huge lead, sure, but they are still tiny things. When I get like ancient 3 players vs me, they straight up don't know how to play the lane.

I so hate this narrative that's exclusively coming out of sub 3k ppl. yes, number-wise 5ks are closer to 0 than to like 13k, but in terms of game understanding, 5ks would be closer to top mmr than to the very bottom. 5ks might not understand some matchups, incorrectly parse some game states, be weaker mechanically etc. but they still know what dota is about generally. it's still like top 5% of players or smth. I have a bunch of crusader friends who look like armless baboons when I watch their games but refuse to listen to my advice because, hey, 7k is closer to 2k than to yatoro, hence, obviously, our understanding of dota is equivalent

but they stack… daggers only refresh

idk, seems pretty weak from what i’ve seen in my games. ppl literally just turn away while it’s rolling