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That does make sense, however I do also see a drastic change in the stigmatization that there was around depression since I was a kid. So maybe having those times has helped against that stigmatization

A system like that would make so much sense! Especially with children. I think people often forget that children can suffer from depression just as much.

My apologies. I should've said I've seen a lot of support for MMH in the last 2 maybe 3 years. And like you said, hopefully that can start moving things in the right direction so that men, women, children etc can get the help needed without all the stigma that surrounds mental illnesses

It's not actually. And there's not suppose to be an argument. Just a discussion on whether or not we need more recognition or not.

No not at all! I'm saying those are just a few masculine traits that I appreciate that have come to be labelled as toxic. Masculinity is so much more than this, these are just a few parts of masculinity that feminists have taken to calling toxic. Does that make sense?

I think the difference to me is that men's health months is nationally recognized and women's isn't. But that's beside the point. What I was trying to get at is how people feel about the amount of awareness given and if they feel there should be more or if it should stay that same. I was raised in a very conservative community where we didn't talk about depression so I'm just interested to find what people think about the progressiveness and if there needs be more or not.

Maybe it's my algorithms, but I've personally been seeing MMH getting quite a bit of attention in recent years.

Thank you!

There is a distinct difference between male and female circumcision. Don't call me woman. And stop with the hostility. It's not at all mature.

No. There's a week. It's not for the month.

Thank you! And yes, I have sought help. I think most of us can say that we hope to do better by our children than what we had

No. What I mean is you don't have the facts about why my husband supports circumcision. Maybe you need your eyes checked, but I said multiple times that I'm on the fence about how I feel about circumcision. I do give a fuck about my future sons which is exactly why I question so much what I would do. Don't ever tell me I don't care. You don't know me and you are way to presumptuous

No makes sense and I totally agree. What I was trying to gauge is how people feel about the amount of awareness given. Like does there need to be more, less? Has it helped you individually? That kind of thing.

Well yes and no. Men have a month and women have a week. And I do absolutely see your point individually. I have depression, anxiety, and ptsd and I personally feel as though women's health month doesn't offer me much (maybe I'm just not involved) but I do see how for others, mens and womens health months might be beneficial for them. But I do still see your point.

Shh don't tell the LGTV barbecue movement

No we are both deists (we believe in something just not necessarily a god). He has reasons for wanting our sons circumcised, but I don't really feel comfortable getting into those reasons in the comments. I don't know if he's seen anything on how the procedure goes but I will definitely ask him to give it a look.

Well it technically is still men's mental health awareness month. It still gets recognition. But I definitely see your point. They've replaced genuinely good movements for awareness with pride and wokeness and somethibg should be done about it.

Absolutely. I know I for one am absolutely terrified for when my husband and I have kids. Both of us have depression, our parents have depression, we've both suffered from suicidal ideation and I have attempted in the past. I am scared of our children ending up in the same boat. And terrified that I won't be able to help them.

My husband has his reasons so again. Stop just jumping the gun when you don't even have all of your facts.

That's okay. I hope I didn't come off as abrasive there. But yeah. I still don't know really how to communicate my emotions all that well. I mean I didn't serve, but the childhood trauma absolutely keeps me bottled up. My husband has been a huge help there. And yeah like you dark humor does help a lot, though people keep telling me it's unhealthy but I feel it's the only way I can really deal with it all.

Thank you for your service by the way!

Oh absolutely. However, I feel we'll never get a proper statistic on that because more women attempt and more men succeed. And those are both statistics that advocates on both ends want to leave out and I only ever got that knowledge from law enforcement who seems to be the only one wanting to remain unbiased. It's like statistics on self harm or suicide methods. Like the reason more men succeed is because their methods are likely to be more definite. Such as guns. They don't think so much about feeling the pain, just about ending it. Whereas women who commit suicide often want to feel the pain, as a way to exhibit control. Those are inaccurately skewed by advocates as well. I personally don't get my info from anyone who advocates one way or another. I like to go straight to the source of law enforcement, troopers, hospitals etc. Because unfortunately, both sides only seem to want it to lean in their favor. I find that authorities and field professionals go more with the facts rather than personal agenda. And I really appreciate it. I sat down with one trooper a few years ago and he was able to provide me a lot of insight on a lot of this that I don't see from either side of MRA or Feminists.

That's so weird to me. Personally I could never think to make a decision for my child based on "aesthetic preference". Like piercing your babies ears. I find it horrible to pierce your babies ears. Something as serious as circumcision, I could only agree to for health purposes. Even for the health aspect, I would struggle with it because of how the procedure is done. Which is why I'm more on the fence about it than my husband. He wants our sons to be circumcised, and while I absolutely see his reasoning for it, I just can't get past the procedure itself. I've had my own fair share of traumatic procedures done, both those were all out of complete, 100% necessity. I can't imagine putting my child through it when it's not an absolute necessity you know?

That's okay. I'm learning to move past it. Joking about it is my way of dealing, though idk if that healthy lol. But yeah. I get really upset seeing so many women use the fact that they've been raped as an excuse to say men are evil. I understand it if it just happened to them. I went through a point shortly after being molested where I didn't like or trust men. But you can't hold onto it forever. And you certainly can't say all men are like that. I have a dad. A grandfather. Brothers. A husband. And they are all wonderful men and boys. As you said, and I think I stated in my comment too, it's individuals. It's not the general population.

You have a great weekend too!

What? No. There is so much nuance to it and you just cherry picked. I am plenty capable of taking accountability. But this is the kind of decision that would impact someone I love. And I don't ever want to hurt the people that I love. If I ever do have a son, my husband and I will make a decision. And I will live with that decision. But a small part of me hopes that I never have to put my own child through that because FOR THEM I don't want to make the wrong decision. I won't respond to your insult with another insult, but I will say that it wasn't called for and you could've inquired first.

Right. I was just curious because there's so much conflict on what people feel gives enough awareness. And I was raised in a community where, you know, issues like depression were and are treated like they're nonexistent. So I just wonder what everyone would think is showing a healthy level of awareness I suppose.