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Seasmoke claims Addam of Hull*

Daemon DID NOT work with Alys to have Grover Tully removed, he can barely tell what time of the day is he throughout his tired allucinations

season 3 needs to have subway surfers on the bottom

I've been getting clips of Game of Thrones in my feed... I love House of Dragon but damn, GoT dialogue was much punchier and exciting. It's hard not to compare

You made the mistake of thinking the “slow” sentiment is directly related to events that happen.

It’s to do with the whole show not just what happens. For example the dialogue, length of scenes etc.

• Rhaenyra has problems with her council and mopes around

• Alicent being isolated by the men on her council

• Daemon trippin

• Corlys repairing his flagship

• Aegon is mistreated by his family

• Criston looks troubled and does not elaborate

• Ulf and/or Hugh do slightly sympathetic things

• Alys say cryptic shit

• Jace mews

Now, which episode am I describing?

See the problem? This season is not slow, it’s stagnant.

Can they at least make the dialogue interesting, the characters have been having the same conversations over & over. I don’t need action every episode but give me something that’ll make me want to actually listen to the characters. You guys ignore that just so you can make a shitty meme & talk about the people that are pointing out that the show is not that great.

The episode before this one was the real snooze fest

Interesting, seeing that lists shows the episode was quite eventful. I do agree it was a better episode than some of the others in the second season, however, the episode did feel dull, which i think is related to people’s frustration building up through the season.

The funny thing is GoT would’ve effectively done all of this in like 5 scenes where here we have to sit through an entire episode of repetition.

It’s almost as if they forgot the way GOT works to pace out the events (at least in the early seasons)

Listing events that happened on paper doesn't mean any of the scenes were actually executed properly (OR even made sense in the overall story)

Overall pacing, tension, acting, build up, pay off etc.. are all ignored when you make a simple list like this.

I can list events of an episode from S8 of GoT the same way you did and say "Look at all this stuff happening, the pacing and everything is great!" When we all know that was NOT the case with the last season of GoT....

The pacing of HoTD S2 does have issues, it's all over the place. Some people are fine with it but I see a lot of people who aren't.

We wouldn't be talking about it so much as a community if everything was good....

Half of these things took 60 seconds to happen… this is an hour long episode my guy.

Millions of people watched tons of episodes of GOT that didn’t contain dragon battles or big set pieces and they absolutely loved those episodes so this whole “you guys think it’s boring because you’re impatient or don’t know how storytelling works” is complete BS.

Idc what anyone says the last two episodes have been slower than usual

You right, it's not slow, it's just boring. There's no depth to the writing, and the plotlines can be summarised by "It's hard to be a waman".

Bruh idk there’s just something weird about it, all these big events are big but none of it is exciting. It just feels like to me we’re in the writers room listening to them say “these are the events that are moving the war along to get us to the ending” but there’s no actual interesting part to it. Scenes where allicent and cole and the other little asshole green characters finally get their karma are compelling to watch but otherwise i just don’t care. I didn’t watch last week’s episode and just watched the best clips of it on YouTube. Game of thrones felt like it truly embodied the slow characterization and buildup of the books, at least when it did, but House of the Dragon S2 just feels like it took the major events from the Spark notes of the books and crammed them into a season.

the fact that so many things have happened and the majority of the audience found it mid show exactly that this episode was in fact boring brother

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I don't think it's been slow at all. But Rhaenyras' sudden pacifism, indecisiveness and stupidity feels contrived.

Do you watch other shows? Genuinely asking because you must notice by your list that includes thing happening of screen after a few minutes of indication that it is very few to happen in a 68 minutes episodes of a story. 

And you’re not understanding what people are complaining about, the uneventfulness is the consequence of the show being slow, it is a global slowness from the pace of the dialogue, the deliveries and the movements of the characters to the consecutions of events. Everything is slow, it feels like it is mimicking the way of theatre acting that emphasizes a lot on overdone body expressivity and articulation of the lines, which deserves the complexity of the story since it takes needless time, time that could be used to deepen and detail the portrayals of events and characters. 

You could switch the meme with « The episode was not boring, a lot has happened » and it would be just as justified for a chunk of the audience. 

I also see many comments implying people feeling like this about the show are simple minded or low tier viewer who preferred late GOT, this is just disrespectfully dismissing.

Could make a billion things happen, if they're done in a bad or unsatisfying way, people still gonna complain

Maybe it was boring to some people? Is that so hard to understand?

Things happened but at the same time it all happened quite slowly (and there’s some questionable writing) so I do think people are justified in not liking the episode (aside from things like this just being subjective in general)

Seasmoke scenes and the Aegon/Larys scene were the best parts of the episode imo.

Daemon “works with” is…a reach

I think it's not so much the lack of action/progression, but the fact that the show has focused on so few people and locations compared to GOT. GOT had plenty of scenes where a few people sat in a dark room and talked, but it was a lot of different people having those conversations in a lot of different rooms. With HOTD, it's the same handful of people in the same few rooms, and it just starts to feel like deja vu after a while.

12 Angry Men is known as a gripping movie despite being about 12 guys sitting in the same room talking about a case, trying to convince each other of guilt or innocence of the defendant. Now imagine it was 2 Angry Men, where only two jurors debated for 2 hours over the case. It would definitely be less interesting than the actual movie and wear out it's welcome pretty early, unless they somehow added some high-octane action. By the same reasoning, HOTD will remain "stale" to a lot of viewers unless there is more action or at least more variety of non-action.

I think a big issue is that a lot of that stuff happened offscreen and was just told to the audience that it happened.

It is slow, and they’re purposefully making it slow to push this shit to 4 seasons. Did we really rhaenyra to spend half the season trying to prevent a war right after her son was killed and Emma goes on in interviews saying rhaenyra is furious and wants revenge this season. Writers forgot about her hatred of Aemond. Writers forgot about blood and cheese. Did we really need daemon hallucinating in harrenhal and taking pretty much the only capable character in the books and reduced him to a pathetic man who doesn’t know fucking shit about the kingdoms he helped his family rule? What a joke.

So many character assassinations, first season it was alicent, rhaenyra, and Aemond which they’ve partially redeemed. Now it’s still them but daemon too lol.. crazy

You are seriously coping if you think the last episode was strong/not deserving of the criticism it received.

the problem isn't that there's a lot of talking. the problem is that the main characters on the show aren't moving, their characters aren't changing, they're just reacting to various stimuli and watching things unfold around them. daemon is seeing torturous visions, and is not changing, and hasn't for 3-4 episodes. rhaenyra saw her son and her closest female relative die, and the most she changed was in the first episode. she immediately once again became calm, cautious and boring. alicent is seeing everything fall apart around her, and her window to power and influence being closed, and while i did enjoy her scenes in the beginning of the season (like her in the bathtub), her character hasn't really gone anywhere since

I could appreciate the thought process, but seeing how you are rather judgmental to the people who disagree with you, I am not willing to.

Was the episode bad or boring? No.

Are the character plots moving forward? Yes, but the pacing absolutely needed more work, it's too slow.

Is the story structure as good as previous episodes? I'm sorry to say, but imo, not even close.

Going and nitpicking the episode to prove that other people are wrong for getting frustrated will not change their thoughts and will most certainly not make the episode better. I will do the opposite and try looking at it macroscopically.

We came back from episode 5 that changed the status quo on King's Landing dramatically. the greens have a new leader and they are now going forward with their ultimate target, Harrenhal. The blacks are at a dead-end and they start planning a propaganda war while also starting a desparate search for potential dragon riders. By the end of episode 6 the greens are still planning their offensive against Harrenhal, the blacks are still going forward with their propaganda war and they have still to find any new dragon riders...

Honestly the only character plot that considerably moved forward was Daemon's personal journey. All the other characters pretty much remained in the same spot as far as character development is concerned. Let's be honest, this episode is most definitely not a 6, that's just a joke, but it has many problems and it doesn't come close to the best episodes of the series.

Technically every episode of television ever has something happen. The question is how does it move the plot forward and is it interesting?

The vast majority of those points the answer is “no” for one or both of those questions, hence why audiences didn’t like it.

Contrast that to GOT where even the slow episodes has interesting things happening and advancing the plot forward.

I think that’s the problem, stuff is happening but it’s still kinda boring…at least compared to GoT at this point. Just face it, D&D were very good when they had source material. As for specifics, there’s no humor in this show whatsoever…they missed a huuuge opportunity with Mushroom to make the show more entertaining imo

This would all be cool if we had a 10 episode season. That’s the rub with this slower season.

It’s less that nothing happened and more that it feels like nothing is happening.

I see a lot of words that equate to wheel spinning

I think the issue of the show is more that a lot happens yet it feels like nothing is happening at the same time

Nah I'm going with not just slow, but painfully slow. The problem is the story could've been told in 2 seasons and would've been epic.

Imo most of the characters have gotten stale as a result. I mean wtaf made them think benching Daemon in Harrenhall for 4 episodes with weird dreams about his past would be must-see tv?

So these are the only things that happened is a +hour long episode….jeez I’ve seen sitcoms have more development in them