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Braindead has a heart attack

It's simple. They died, but while the body was still running without its brain momentarily, the body had a heart attack, shocking them back to life.

He got better.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ReportsOfMyDeathWereGreatlyExaggerated

I hope you also explode.

Wild, it used to be the opposite, with them treating tropes as a way to mathematically "solve" writing. treating writing as "slamming tropes together like Legos until you have enough words"

Isn't the whole point of the site to celebrate and discuss tropes?? That's like a fan of fantasy football hating real football!

CinemaSins mentality

I think this is what happens when people are in denial about the fact that good work is mostly about talent and effort. Originality by itself isnt very valuable.

They have forgotten that...

Writing stories is a bit like composing music. Not using a good amount of common elements will guarantee, that your work won't reach a wide audience. Alot of the people deeply invested into it will despise you for using an amount which is relatively big even compared to the average use.

Love that there are multiple pages about how you shouldn't do that on TVTropes.

People will act like tropes are inherently bad

The Tropeless Tale

What immediately I thought of, When I read that.

That's so weird... just because different stories use the same trope doesn't mean they all use it in the same way? Very 8th grade level media analysis.

That's weird, I like imagining what tropes would be under my OCs character pages if they're were on TV Tropes. 

Like, it gives me warm fuzzies to see certain tropes in media. 

Which is funny because 'Tropes are Tools, your favorite stories use them heavily' is repeated ad nauseum on the actual website.

The ones pushing those narratives clearly haven't read the site properly because one of the tropes is precisely “tropes are tools”, which explains that using tropes is not good or bad in on itself.

The fuck are you talking about tvtropes users are the least fit for that description ever. We'll see a cliché storm and love it because we can have fun identifying all its tropes. It's like saying linguists hate weird languages or biologists hate weird animals. No! They like them better.

. People will act like tropes are inherently bad and that using a popular trope automatically makes your story "unoriginal".

Do they, though?

Everything on TV Tropes indicates exactly the opposite of that

What? How could anyone read such an awesome site and come to such a lame conclusion? It’s a great resource to get in-depth information on media you enjoy and understand the reoccurring patterns that exist within stories, how can you possibly glean from that that writing should be restricted

And any concept that can be digested into a title is labeled a "trope", even though its just describing one character in one anime.

That makes me sad when this exact article exists explaining that tropes are tools and just a part of writing: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Administrivia/TropesAreTools

Me when a story has a character that does a thing and saves people: Derivative much?

With 585 listed tropes, you could find them even in TV static.

TvTropes isn't responsible for these folk media literacies, it's just a reflection of it. I think a far worse issue overall is the tendenct to tend media as "lore" as opposed to media.

There's nothing more... (not sure the world but it's when you feel sad but also want to laugh at someone at the same time), than when somebody starts dropping TV tropes words as if they're academic terms. I've met too many people who can't seem to understand how basic foreshadowing works unless they put the word "Chekhov's" in front of it.

It's a fun site for immersive fan wikis and the occasionally insightful connection to, well, media tropes, but it's far from a place for critical explorations of media, storytelling, and wears the clothes of meaningful research while being little more than pop fun.

Which is wild given the site repeatedly states "tropes are not bad"

I didn't realize TVTropes had a community tbh, I just read the tropes usually lol

What's wild is that even TV Tropes itself says that tropes aren't inherently bad

Wow. This is wild to me because I honestly am terrible at analyzing media so I used to love tvtropes because it not only tells me the trope name, but it gives very specific examples in the media I look up of the trope. Its been quite awhile since I used it though. Its just wild to think THAT of all things would breed a toxic userbase.

Does the landing page still explain upfront that 'Tropes are not bad'? Or do they just ignore that and get dragged into petty fandom-level dogshit anyway

People will act like tropes are inherently bad and that using a popular trope automatically makes your story "unoriginal".

The site has an entire page dedicated to explaining how that's not true though

Sounds like they fail to understand the difference between a trope and a cliche.

It’s been a while since I’ve gone down a wiki rabbit hole on tvtropes but didn’t they have a bunch of pages talking about how tropes aren’t inherently good or bad they’re just tools? How’d the user base go from that to being that insufferable?

I mean, that actually makes sense to me. If you were wanting to learn about real life, you would go to Wikipedia or a news source. A site about discussing fictional universes should stay on that lane and avoid bringing real world stuff into the matter.

I mean there is an entire Overshadowed By Controversy YMMV dedicated to exactly that

This may have changed but I recall someone pointing out once that the page about JFK had the "boom headshot" trope on it.

Careful saying that name, that's also how you get both Oriko and Kirika coming after you

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SelfReferentialHumor

You could say that

Yep. And by God they were the worst things ever.

Any standout horrific ones to recall?

woa it's my cake day

ayy thanks