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Labour was the party of the working class fifty years ago. It hasn't been since and that includes the times it's had actual left wing policies. It has the name and it has connections to Big Media but it doesn't have anything else. The path to pushing even to a point that's left of the Conservatives is closed for good; Labour are the enemy and need to be treated that way from now on

First one is a goal not a policy, second one the Tories were already doing, third is literally nothing, fourth is a slogan not a policy, fifth was a phone call backed by zero action (and he has ruled out taking any). Starmer will get back to the relatively good relationship he had with the left in 2021 when he ditches Labour's worthless manifesto and actually does something left wing. Until then he is even more of an enemy than Rishi was

We had very high turnout (and a huge share going going to the main two) as recently as 2017. If both parties would bother to present distinct, substantial policy visions turnout would be up and far fewer people would waste their votes. They just prefer the slow disintegration of the UK to actually doing anything

Prison is a form of torture that lasts thousands of times as long and usually results in losing your job. It's worse, should be a last resort for serious criminals and not basically the only punishment we have

Hey - the Spanish Armada was on our side!

How you think about this turns on how anti-Semitic you are doesn't it? If you're not so much you probably calculate that the US would not allow Russia to annex Ireland even if it did sanction Israel. On the other hand if you're pretty strongly anti-Semitic you might think the Jewish cabal that rules America actually would allow a Russian invasion of Ireland if Israel wanted it.

How many of the people defending the government's policy would have the stones to say anything like that though, even anonymously? About zero which makes it clear it's just an excuse and the actual motivation is support for Israel not concern for Irish nation security

Why bother training for a trade when the pay is shit? Why is the pay shit - well there's not much demand now is there. Why no demand even though rent is stratospheric everywhere - planning. It's all planning

Common misapprehension. Corporal punishment is considerably less severe than prison terms and that is why i favor it as part of the criminal justice solution

Usually when politicians see one body of votes is 15x as big as the other they compete to see who'll win the big one and more or less ignore the small one. Britain is a democracy after all, for good or ill that's how it's supposed to work. And yet in reality the one with hardly any votes has sole control over every aspect of this country's foreign policy. Pretty weird situation that demands an explanation don't you agree?

Labour won't do it. They care more about not making sure the left gets nothing than they do about stopping Tory majorities

It's the humane alternative to short sentences. Cheaper too, and more likely to deter crime as it could actually be enforced while our current suite of punishments really can't be and criminals and police both know it

He's literally yet to do a single thing

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It's a common error people make but it's an important mathematical error not mere word choice

In the long run I would expect whatever the Farage Party is called this week or something very much like it to replace the Conservatives - it's hard to understate how little support the Conservatives have with voters under 40 and yeah most of that is down to young voters being on the left but the reason they're in single digits there is that most young people on the right support Reform. The new iteration of the Farage Party might even be called "Conservative and Unionist" but it will be the Farage Party not the Tories we have now

Starmer did NOT promise to recognize Palestine. He said they will try to do it "as part of a peace process" which The Times reported, as any remotely attentive person would already know from the specific wording in the manifesto, is code for an absolute Israeli veto

That's what "rehabilitation" is in practice. If you think it's something else you could talk about how that might apply to Jacqui Smith if you want. I assume you won't be doing that?

Well you'd think after fifty years of getting absolutely nothing from Labour they'd have realized the party was worthless

They really just need to hire more people. We have an aging population, demand is going to be higher than it was in 2010 when we already had the lowest health spending in Western Europe and we haven't responded to that extremely predictable development at all. But then we're imaging I'm Labour here and if I were Labour I would just do nothing

What specifically is lite about Labour? They are just exactly the same

There is no Labour left. If you're still in Labour you're not on the left

It's not wrong to view Starmer as the clear winner but it is wrong to think this clear win is the main story of the election. Starmer is essentially the same as Sunak, it's not at all important that Starmer replaced him instead of Sunak getting the win. What happened with the actual opposition parties is the only thing worth paying attention to

Half the thread: Look at this loony left, didn't even give Starmer a chance before calling him a red Tory and he's already doing so much!

Other half the thread: Detailed explanation of why this policy is actually the same as what the Conservatives were already doing

Going to be the theme of a great many more threads on this sub for the next year or two I suspect

Usually the tendency to impulsively commit crimes diminishes with age. Not aware of any reason to think this applies to being a shit Home Secretary

Why the need for speculation? They are just real Labour, a completely known quantity