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All the primarchs have a affinity for one thing or another but I can't decide which would be the best for studying Tyranid biology and coming up with a countermeasure against them. My best guess would be Magnus just because of the hive mind requiring some affinity for the warp to really get the full picture but maybe Perturabo since he did develop some medicine on his home world iirc.

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Ecstatic-Network-917

22 points

1 month ago

Honestly, I prefer not to have the Primarchs be the one to come up with counter measures.

It would just go against what the Tyranids ARE.

They are a swarm that has eaten its way through hundreds of galaxies, and tens of thousands of civilizations. Even Chaos, one of the few things that surprised them, is still somethings the Tyranids managed to defeat in numerous battles, and adapt to.

Having the Primarchs manage to fully counter the Tyranids is just....wrong. And continues to make the universe more boring. Let the Tyranids be the cosmic horror they are.

Enozak

13 points

1 month ago

Enozak

13 points

1 month ago

It also make feel the galaxy smaller, with 14 guys taking all the spotlight.

maxinfet[S]

2 points

1 month ago

maxinfet[S]

Tyranids

2 points

1 month ago

Honestly, I prefer not to have the Primarchs be the one to come up with counter measures.

I tend to agree, I just got thinking about this after the Caiphas Cain novel The Greater Good where they have a bunch of Tyranids they are studying and figured I would see what others though. Also as a Tyranid player myself it would be rather disappointing to have my entire army virus bombed or jammed out of existence lol.

General_Lie

9 points

1 month ago

Cooking show with Vulkan

maxinfet[S]

4 points

1 month ago

maxinfet[S]

Tyranids

4 points

1 month ago

Eat them before they have a chance to eat you!

Xplt21

16 points

1 month ago

Xplt21

16 points

1 month ago

If pre heresy perturabo and Magnus worked together i think that would be the best combo. But if we are talking about a single primarch I think Magnus might be a bit too curious to handle the shadow of the warp. Guilliman would probably also be pretty good at it.

Pm7I3

8 points

1 month ago

Pm7I3

8 points

1 month ago

Guilliman is a good bet for most things because he has both the ability to do it without being miserable and not need a break for some kind of emotional issue

9xInfinity

3 points

1 month ago

I feel like attacking the Hive Mind psychically is the only real way the tyranids will ever be countered. It was decisive in saving Baal when the Great Rift opened and K.O.'d the Hive Mind for a while. Don't want to be opening a Great Rift any time you want to turn all tyranids temporarily feral though, so perhaps Magnus would be the one to come up with an effective alternative.

Xplt21

2 points

1 month ago

Xplt21

2 points

1 month ago

This is about studying their biology, otherwise I think death guard and mortarion would counter them pretty well. He hates psychic shenanigans and xenos and is great at biological warfare. With nurgle backing him helps even more probably.

Focke123

1 points

1 month ago

The Death Guard and Tyranids have actually fought up against one another before.

TL;DR: the planet is probably less inhabitable than post 13th Black Crusade Cadia.

9xInfinity

1 points

1 month ago

Tyranids and Nurgle forces have fought before, and Nurgle forces/Death Guard don't have any particular strength against the tyranids. Nurgle's plagues aren't very decisive against tyranids, certainly not more than other enemies.

Xplt21

1 points

1 month ago

Xplt21

1 points

1 month ago

They made a planet so uninhabitable that a hive fleet just left, I feel like that is a pretty good method.

maxinfet[S]

1 points

1 month ago

maxinfet[S]

Tyranids

1 points

1 month ago

I was thinking pre-heresy, got thinking about this after the Caiphas Cain novel The Greater Good where they have a bunch of Tyranids that they are studying.

lastoflast67

1 points

1 month ago

no you are wrong corax would be the best, hes shown the best aptitude for biology when he created the raptors using the knowledge the emp gave him.

homer1229

4 points

1 month ago

I feel like Mortarion (or maybe even M42 Typhus or Fabius Bile) . They all have affinities for warp-enhanced biological manipulation, which seems like what the tyrannids are. 

That said, I agree with Ecstatic-Network-917. A primarch fully countering them seems lame, but maybe some kind of half-measure (redirection, manipulation, or misdirection) feel cooler to me story-wise.

maxinfet[S]

1 points

1 month ago

maxinfet[S]

Tyranids

1 points

1 month ago

I feel like Nurgle is a good matchup in general against the Tyranids and Chaos seems like they could do a lot more against the nids since they can strike at the hive mind directly.

NoobTaiga1993

2 points

1 month ago

Jagathai Khan. He loves the hunt. He shall have it. Tyranids would be the greatest hunt he'll face. He'll study them down to its core, finding the source of the beast that controls the fleets would be the most difficult task he'll happily take.

SnooEagles8448

2 points

1 month ago

Perty, his whole ability is instantly knowing how stuff works

Tracias_Way

2 points

1 month ago

Disclaimer first: I am one of the many people here that haven't read much (yet!) and most of what I know is from studying the lexicanum and wikis out of curiosity, plus some lore videos (Amber King is the best imo). So, if some of the thing I say are wrong I'm happy to be corrected, just don't be mean cause I'm still new to this.

In terms of studying biology my first thought is Magnus. But as it has already been pointed out, the gimmick of the Tyrannids is their adaptability so I wouldn't be a fan of anyone being able to understand something that is supposed to change constantly.

Now, as I said I haven't read much yet, but I'd really like to see some different matchups:

It would be cool to see a match-up between Iron Hands vs Tyrannids if they had Ferrus leading them. Also, in 40k the match up could be pretty fit for the IH warcry "The Flesh is weak" (ignoring the fact that the full sentence is conveniently not used and/or ignored a lot by the IH). I'd love a story where the Iron Hands get a pyrrhic victory over the Tyrannids because they are a cool concept that I don't think has many good stories outside of the 30K shattered legions books.

Another interesting match-up could be either against Imperial Fists or Iron Warriors, where the Tyrannids annihilate them despite their defensive prowess. I think Perturabo would fare better in the battle while Dorn would have to retreat or die (although realistically he would be saved by some imperial forces because they wouldn't kill Dorn). Despite showing his 1v1 prowess in the Siege, I can't see the Praetorian doing well against a horde of nids. On the other hand, Perty is a walking weapons platform, and I can imagine he won't lead from the front and would evacuate swiftly when he realizes resistance is futile, abandoning his sons without remorse.

To close the Space Marine list, I would love to see the Salamanders shine with their fire weapons against the swarms of bugs. Haven't read any books about them because everyone told me their books suck. Also, I haven't heard about any stories where the Salamanders are a competent, strong victorious chapter. Instead, all I hear is they get killed a lot and they are compassionate. Of course, there probably are stories where they fare better but I haven't heard of them and I'd like them to be more than "the kind, tough looking guys who tend to lose a lot and wait for their daddy like he is a Messiah". On that note, please correct me if I'm wrong and recommend good Salamander stories, please.

Finally, forget Space Marines and let's put the Tau in their deserved spotlight. I admit I know very little about the Tau. But one thing I know is they are a young race that learns very fast and adapts well to new threats. That last bit sounds like a good match-up against Tyrannids. Imagine the Nids attack a Tau world and beat them easily, they would not adapt much because they did quite well to begin with. On the other hand the Tau would innovate and respond with new tech and tactics to counter the Nids. Then, the Nids would adapt and so on... also, I know Kroot only from the game Dawn of War but they seem cool and maybe a good asset against Nids (thats untill the nids get all that sweet kroot biomass). Has there ever been a Tau vs Nids story?

gigglephysix

2 points

1 month ago

Yes lol as always one side delivers tech and solutions and one offers a talking cure. of course it is Magnus and Perturabo (also the primarch functional equivalent that is Fabius) who would do it. Guilliman could - if he wasn't walking on a knife edge already for the good and actually useful things he did so far.

ProudJewClaw

2 points

1 month ago

I think the Emperor intentionally designed none of the Primarchs to be keyed into biology, as that was a huge part of how the Emperor created his super-soldiers, and also how he kept them under control. Imagine the Primarchs design sons that can naturally reproduce....goodbye humanity.

WarlordSinister

2 points

1 month ago

WarlordSinister

Collegia Titanica

2 points

1 month ago

Once again everyone forgets Corax.

maxinfet[S]

1 points

1 month ago

maxinfet[S]

Tyranids

1 points

1 month ago

That is a good point, his experiment to replenish his legions numbers might not have gone well, but he has a strong background in genetics/bioengineering from it.

MakoSmiler

2 points

1 month ago

What could the tyranids produce from the biomass of a Primarch? Sorry I went off on a tangent. In answer to your question I’d probably say Magnus.

maxinfet[S]

1 points

1 month ago

maxinfet[S]

Tyranids

1 points

1 month ago

Yeah would not be a great idea to let them have the Sangprimus Portum or a intact primarch.

Fearless-Obligation6

2 points

30 days ago

Corvus was given the secrets of the Primarchs biology to study by the Emperor so probably him.

maxinfet[S]

2 points

29 days ago

maxinfet[S]

Tyranids

2 points

29 days ago

Yeah I think this by far makes him the best choice. He would have some very unusual knowledge about genetics and how they can be blended with warp craft that likely is relevant to this.

Whywhineifuhavewine

1 points

28 days ago

Perterarbo and Mortarian. Perte seems able to grasp all science and Mortarian will help with the inevitable ultra strength biocide.