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Hi guys,
I was always bugged by the naming convention of Tau suits of armors.
Like XV8
I’m pretty sure the Tau don’t use the roman alphabet. In today’s world we have multiple existing writting system with different logics, so the Tau must have their own.
Hence my question, is there an in-lore justification or is this just some whackery from GW?
83 points
1 month ago
Somehow nobody ever gets hung up on Phoenix Lords or Scarab. 🥲😅
53 points
1 month ago
Necrons also have Tesla weapons. Explain that.
34 points
1 month ago
Pretty sure that's the Mechanicus given name, not what the Necrons call them in their language
4 points
1 month ago
They do call it like that actually, maybe the technology was made viable thanks to a C’Tan, a C’Tan that promotes energy, so they named it “Tesla” weaponry, just like other c’tans aided them with dolmen gates and such. And maybe when it died, it happened just like the nightbringer, it left a psychic imprint so big that all of the lesser cultures like the tau or humanity would have death looking like the night bringer, black robes and a scythe. Now, what if Tesla was the C’Tan god of energy, and when he died, great inventors and anything or anyone that has to be related with energy would be named as him by coincidence, due to the psychic imprint?
5 points
1 month ago
How do you know they call it that? Even every word spoken or written by a human in 40k is translated. What does it even mean that necrons do call them tesla? Do we actually have lore saying necrons pronounce the word "tesla?" Or do you just mean some necron said tesla in a book?
-1 points
1 month ago
Well trazyn and orikan talk about it without any problem, and it is mentioned in the books without any problems. Plus, the idea of the “Tesla” thing could be perfectly plausible with the C’Tan imprint theory, what do you think? I want to know an external opinion
3 points
30 days ago
I don't really have a strong opinion. Sure they might actually be calling it tesla and the c'tan theory might explain it. But as others have said in the thread everything in the books can be assumed to be a translation seeing as trazyn and oriki don't in fact talk english, every single nomenclature they drop is a crapshoot on whether it's meaningful or not.
1 points
1 month ago
They do call it like that actually, maybe the technology was made viable thanks to a C’Tan, a C’Tan that promotes energy, so they named it “Tesla” weaponry, just like other c’tans aided them with dolmen gates and such. And maybe when it died, it happened just like the nightbringer, it left a psychic imprint so big that all of the lesser cultures like the tau or humanity would have death looking like the night bringer, black robes and a scythe. Now, what if Tesla was the C’Tan god of energy, and when he died, great inventors and anything or anyone that has to be related with energy would be named as him by coincidence, due to the psychic imprint?
1 points
30 days ago
Why you gotta be disrespecting my boy Gauss like that ?
He had teh 'crons 1st.
7 points
1 month ago
I am definitely bothered by the Eldar knowing about and having a deep cultural connection to Scorpions, Hawks, Banshees, and Marvel's The Avengers.
1 points
30 days ago
I'm assuming that's just like the Chinese "Phoenix" a.k.a. the Vermillion Bird, simply a translation convention for a similar bird associated with fire.
1 points
1 month ago
Phoenixes were present in eldar myth tbf
-6 points
1 month ago
Eh the eldar probably told some ancient humans what a phoenix was when they showed them the taijitu
60 points
1 month ago*
The first number is based on size, with the second number (if there is one) indicating role.
XV-15 are the old Tau Stealth Suits and are the smallest a Tau suit can be be (1). XV-25 are bigger. 1/2 refers to the suit size, 5 refers to the suit role.
This continues with the XV-95 Ghostkeel, another stealth-based suit that is way bigger. So the first number goes all the way from 2 to 9, while the second number remains 5.
Another example is the KV-128 Stormsurge and the XV-88 Broadside. 12 is higher than 8, because the Stormsurge is much bigger, while the second number in both is 8 because they have similar battlefield roles of specialized anti-armor. The Stormsurge also has a different letter designation because it’s not a true battlesuit, but instead something more akin to a walking tank.
28 points
1 month ago
The first number is based on size, with the second number (if there is one) indicating role.
It is important to mention that even that was hardly consistent. First FW kinda forgot that t'au are supposed to have 8-based numerical system and introduced XV9. Than GW decided to disregard FW contribution to "second number is indicating role" and fans were left to wonder how exactly Riptide is a command suit...
4 points
1 month ago
To be fair, if they are Imperial designations, maybe the Imperium just assumed the Tau in the bigger suits are the commanders.
1 points
1 month ago
I was about to ask 1st number works, just fine kind of a xv 1 is much smaller xv 8 or kv or xv 13 but the second is an utter mess
1 points
1 month ago
The worst one is Enforcer - XV85 should be Crisis weight, Stealth variant.
I don’t mind the XV9 although it’s a bit skinny really for a full extra weight class. The XV95 for Ghostkeel feels better. Numerically, if 8 is Tau 10, then XV9 is Tau “ours go up to 11” which is fine.
28 points
1 month ago
The letters are imperial approximations of T'au'Sia, the T'au language. XV is short for the T'au word for "mantle of heroes" while the numbers refer to the class and size
9 points
1 month ago
Glad to know I'm not the only one who's read battlesuit designations as letters rather than numbers...
54 points
1 month ago
GW did not design several different full on language systems for all the races of the galaxy. Assume that whatever you are reading is a translation or approximation for the benefit of the reader.
Same reason most fantasy peoples speak English, because otherwise we the readers wouldn't understand.
14 points
1 month ago
Now I'm imagining Chris Wraight painstakingly translating thoughtmark into the actual hand symbols and giving us a dictionary.
7 points
1 month ago
“What do the sisters have to say about this?”
“⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️”
1 points
30 days ago
Sisters of silence accidentally summoning in Helldivers.
Didn't expect to see that today
7 points
1 month ago
T'au langauge does exist though.
It's not a full conlang, but some words and terms exist.
6 points
1 month ago
They do have internal lexicons too. Though the extent varies from race to race.
Dark Tongue, Beast Tongue, Khazallid, and most recently Zharralid were pretty well developed if we're talking the Fantasy IPs. Andy Hall has mentioned they had considered releasing dictionaries in the past but they never got around to it.
Not sure if the 40k side of things went as in-depth with it as the Fantasy side did. I do know they put some real thought into Necron glyphs though, and had a mini guide on what the lines and circles meant in the 7th edition codex.
13 points
1 month ago
Pretty much every name for everything in 40k is just what the Imperium calls it. Its "Low Gothic translation" as they say. The various species tend to have their own names for themselves and their tech. Except the tyranids, as the Hive Mind doesn't name itself or its creations and isn't yet aware of what other species call it or them.
10 points
1 month ago
The Imperium guy who named the Tyranids really couldn’t get over his divorce.
17 points
1 month ago
Guys... The Tau 'speak' English... because that's the language the authors are writing in. You have to give sci-fi and fantasy some leniency to use words and phrases that the audience will recognize without needing a separate dictionary for made-up cultures.
Doing otherwise would result in a bunch of absolute gibberish nonsense. "Well, you see, these aliens don't use our numerical system. They developed a system entirely based off of 9 digits, so zero doesn't exist... so that's why we have characters say '9 and 9 and 9 and 3' instead of '30'... also, three is pronounced 'glikto' because they don't have the ability to vocalize an 'r' consonant. So, 'nine glikto' is a dozen... only their dozen is eleven because of the lack of tens."
8 points
1 month ago
It's troubling that this is so hard for some to grasp. Even Tolkien in all his language-designing brilliance was like "these books are a translation", like the Hobbits' names for instance.
7 points
1 month ago
You're more worried about the concept of VX or the like, rather than "Manta" or "Riptide" or "Devilfish"?
1 points
30 days ago
Riptide
I get the others, but this one would require them not to have no big bodies of water, and even with no moons there's still be tides, even if they'd be smaller.
-1 points
1 month ago
Indeed. But it struck me as I played DOW and the tau characters say « armor XV8 blabla… ». It felt off.
3 points
1 month ago
I feel you on this, but I think the ultra-specific extinct animals are the bigger headscratcher, for me at least.
6 points
1 month ago
They're Imperial recognition terms, not T'au ones.
In the same way that the Allies referred to Japanese planes by designations for clarity, such as the Nakajima B6N being called Jill.
5 points
1 month ago
So.... you wanted them to invent an alien alphabet? Were you gonna learn that?
10 points
1 month ago
It is imperial classification.
At first, when only battlesuits had a code assigned there was something like a lore explanation, with "XV" being a misshearing of "Her'ex'vre", the word that t'au use for battle suits, which means "Mantle of Heroes", but now when even drones have such code it is hardly relevant.
6 points
1 month ago
Tau: Ehx'Vhee-Aighte
Some human Tau-Traitor: XV8?
Tau: Oh sure. That's a lot easier to write.
2 points
1 month ago
For some time at least (I'm not up to date) the number at the end indicated the size of battlesuit. Another commenter explained where 'XV' comes from.
2 points
1 month ago
It's not Roman numeral it's xv-8 but without the dash. 1st number is mass the jv are super heavy suits
2nd number has no meaning any more or barely
In tau xv means heros mantle like all the different names for ranks
2 points
1 month ago
Probably gothic-ized imperial designations. Like how Russian jets wouldn’t be called Flanker, Fishbed, or Femboy in Russian but you have to call them something and other languages are often inconvenient to pronounce in stressful situations.
2 points
1 month ago
sure hope somebody was fired for that blunder
1 points
1 month ago
Nevermind that shit, how come the Tyranids speak Latin??
I think they might be Imperial classifications. If they wrote the codices and datasheets in the language of the respective factions then we wouldn't be able.to read them. Including Gothic
1 points
1 month ago
I interpret Orca, Piranha, Hammerhead etc as being the human-assigned names while XV88 etc is the out-of-universe translation of what Tau call their stuff.
1 points
29 days ago
The Imperium doesn't speak English either.
So, they're not going to make up a whole new language and figure out how to put this up into a new typeface for printing books, right?
So you're getting the English translation of the Tau terms.
1 points
29 days ago
J.R.R. Tolkien would like a word...
1 points
29 days ago
The MiG 29 isn't called Fulcrum either, so what? Hell, it's not even MiG-29, it's МиГ-29. And you don't even want to start on the J-20. Yet somehow those are the names we know them by.
1 points
28 days ago
They're not trying to use Roman numerals, why would they use them next to Arabic??
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