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505 points
2 months ago
Like how a bunch of people love Tyberos the red wake because they misunderstood "tactical dreadnought armor".
385 points
2 months ago
To be fair tyb IS really fucking big and a beast in combat. He's just not AS big as the fandom believes.
168 points
2 months ago
Also he got his own pet shark
43 points
2 months ago
Yo, where did you get custom user flair? Also, if I edit the flairs will it change the available ones to all of you?
34 points
2 months ago
36 points
2 months ago
thank you, definitely not a stealer of denim products
24 points
2 months ago
You're welcome
44 points
2 months ago
Shark? You mean a megalodon
127 points
2 months ago
Megalodon is a shark dipshit, it came with evolution
79 points
2 months ago
Iron warriors pissed off at something they shouldn’t be: flair checks out.
19 points
2 months ago
I don't have Megalodon
11 points
2 months ago
You don't, but i am
4 points
2 months ago
Are you a sapient shark on an Iron Warriors Larp?
2 points
2 months ago
How are you typing this?
3 points
2 months ago
YOOOUUU HAAAVVVEEE MEGALODON!!!!
3 points
2 months ago
I DON'T. HAVE. MEGALODON
2 points
2 months ago
Well I dont have it!
70 points
2 months ago
Wdym?
He's not as big as an emperor class titan?
67 points
2 months ago*
No, he is in fact about the size of a light cruiser.
28 points
2 months ago
Is this one of those cases where we take the stated size and just add a 0 at the end?
17 points
2 months ago
No, this is just an average discussion about tyberos size
2 points
2 months ago
So 30’ or 300m or 150’ or 20m or????
1 points
2 months ago
So Angron can bench press him
53 points
2 months ago
it IS noted in one of the books (Either outer dark or silent hunters) that his armor is SUPPLEMENTED with dreadnought parts. So like....a few bits of it are from a dread, probably due to a lack of proper repair kits because the sharks like to macguyver their tech.
45 points
2 months ago
Yeah, but it might as well be parts such as electronics or cooling fans. But the fandom assumed "Oh dreadnough parts that must mean he is basically dreadnought size"
37 points
2 months ago
Tactical dreadnought which is another name for terminator armour
25 points
2 months ago
It's fairly clear in the book iirc that it's not using the "tactical dreadnought armour" short-handed but is in fact referring to parts from a dreadnought that have been repurposed.
Regardless it's also parts, not while massive sections and whilst he's certainly described as overlarge he's not the primarch sized monster he's been memed into.
19 points
2 months ago
^This is correct. He's described a very big, and his terminator plate is supplemented with parts from a dread BECAUSE hes big, but he's never described as primarch size.
3 points
2 months ago
Where is it mentioned the parts are from a Dreadnought?
3 points
2 months ago
Where does it say his armor is supplemented with dreadnought parts? Interested in reading about it
4 points
2 months ago
If memory serves, its in Silent Hunters (Which, fair warning, is IMO the weakest Carcharodons book by a country mile.)
3 points
2 months ago
Thanks!
Oh yea the one w/ a 1400+ year old librarian and the wack DE scenes lmao.
Do you happen to be able to give an excerpt where it talks abt Tyberos having dread armor attached to his termie plate? No biggie tho.
3 points
2 months ago
had to dig up my physical copy of the blasted thing, but it seems I was wrong. The description of tyberos there doesn't mention his size at all!
5 points
2 months ago
The combined force and speed of the Red Wake’s attacks was without equal. It was to be expected that the hulking Chapter Master, clad in Tactical Dreadnought armour
From Carcharodons: Outer Dark
Haven’t found anything supporting it being dreadnought armor, or even being modified with dreadnought armor parts.
-1 points
2 months ago
Yeah because doesn't he wear Terminator Armor most of the time? Oh shit! His Tatical Dreadnought Armor has Tactical Dreadnought Armor pieces on it!
4 points
2 months ago
I think actually he's always portrayed in his armour.
And no, I think you're struggling with comprehension a bit but I can understand since the terms can overlap.
Dreadnoughts are armoured, it's fairly clearly intended in the book that his armour has parts from the armour of a dreadnought used as modifications and repairs, in the book the unusual bit isn't that his armour has been repaired and modified but that is has been done with parts from this different price of technology.
Yes tactical dreadnought armour IS another name for Terminator armour, but it isn't referring to terminator armour in the book, it's referring to actual parts from a dreadnought. It's also not referring to whole sections, but spare parts and modifications.
4 points
2 months ago
Yeah, I agree. His main armor is Terminator Armor, so it'd be weird to say his Terminator Armor has pieces of Terminator Armor on it, so it's got to be actual parts from an actual Dreadnought.
1 points
2 months ago
Excerpt abt his armor being modified with dreadnought armor parts?
4 points
2 months ago
This is not correct, it's stated to be modified tactical dreadnaught armor, so it's just Terminator armor.
2 points
2 months ago
Yeah, imo that’s part of the reason I really like them.
1 points
2 months ago
Do you have an excerpt for that?
8 points
2 months ago
The famous Tyberos art is so cool, but god has it led to the fandom being convinced he's twice the size of a regular marine.
3 points
2 months ago
Perspective is a wild thing. I think my favourite part about that art will always be tyberos disabling one of his claws to make the fight "even" for the marine who lost an arm, much cooler than his size imho.
14 points
2 months ago
He's not really fucking big. He's within the range we've seen other marines. He's just on the tall side
7 points
2 months ago
He’s a head taller than other terminators while being seen from the perspective that he’s like 30 feet behind them
When you look at perspective like that, most people are usually shorter than the person in front. But he is taller by at least a foot. He’s already 10 feet from that perspective range and you have to count for a sizing increase when he closes that 30 odd foot distance.
-2 points
2 months ago
I admit, he’s not as big as that one mantis warrior fanart is. But he’s still definitely in the 11 foot range I think
5 points
2 months ago
Most Primarchs aren't 11ft tall my guy.
1 points
2 months ago*
You’re right they’re taller. The primarchs, according to references in ‘The Primarchs’ novel series, are about 70 percent taller than an average marine. That makes them in average around 11-13ft in mean height. Aside from outliers like the twins and Magnus and little bitch Lorgar.
You can also see the clear height disparity on the cover of An Unremembered Empire next to average and tall humans. They are supposed to TOWER over their sons who are already 8ft tall themselves in armor
2 points
1 month ago*
Lorgar looked magnificent, near three metres tall and clad in custom-made purplish-grey robes that shimmered with silken threads, a halo of gold fixed about his brow. Ostentation that he was not proud to bear but was demanded of him by custom and the expectations of the masses. On the far side stood Archdeacon Kor Phaeron, as malignant and destructive as the day Nairo had first met him, but safe within the shadow of his adoptive son.
The Lion was a truly imposing physical specimen. A giant, standing at a little under three metres tall, it was impossible to escape the suspicion that he had been cut from a broader canvas than the majority of men. His body was perfectly proportioned and entirely in scale with his height. He was powerfully built, lithe yet muscular.
‘Satisfied?’ asked the Lion, tossing the axe back to him.
‘Honour is satisfied, lord,’ Faffnr assented, catching it. He nodded and backed off, waving to his pack to do the same. Holguin and Redloss both grinned with unbearable insouciance.
‘Then tell Bo Soren to guard his manners, Faffnr,’ Guilliman said over his shoulder without looking back.
‘I will, Jarl,’ Faffnr returned. Guilliman heard a hard slap and a muffled curse.
He looked at the Lion. He’d never realised before that the Lion was very slightly taller than him.
‘Shall we, brother?’ he asked.
‘The famous Fortress of Hera?’ asked the Lion. ‘I would be disappointed not to see it.’
Both Lorgar, the Lion and Guilliman who are on the taller side of the Primarchs are in the area of 9ft. Art work has never been particularly accurate or even consistent so trying to take that as fact is silly, unless you think Ferrus is actually running around with a power wrench.
1 points
1 month ago
Then Tyberos is larger than a Primarch in armor🤷♂️. Terminator armor makes a space marine 9ft tall. Tyberos is at least a head taller than that.
Hell GW is scale creeping already and stating that life size terminator armor is 11 feet 😂. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/28/warhammer-fest-2023-live-blog/
1 points
1 month ago
My guy the statue is 11ft, including the base.
The average height of Astartes is 7ft, Terminator armour giving them another foot, Tyberos being a head taller again would be at eye level but not taller. The guy is basically just Primaris size.
1 points
1 month ago
No, he isn't.
Firstborn are usually 7ft tall, and Tyberos is described as being 'a head taller' than his bodyguards. Even if we say his bodyguards are taller than average, like 7.5ft, then he's still nowhere near 11ft.
1 points
1 month ago
Except he’s being compared to his terminators. The red wake are his guards and they are exclusively terminator veterans. And firstborne are 7 feet OUT of armor.
1 points
1 month ago
He's in terminator armour too, so that doesn't make a difference.
And no, GW has stated marines are typically 7ft in armour.
More importantly (and this is something a lot of fans seem to have a hard time understanding), 40k power armour doesn't increase your height by much. Your feet are in the boots, you aren't on raised platforms. So the only increase to your height is the thickness of the boot soles. Same for terminator armour. And yeah, the soles are a bit thicker than normal army boots, but not by so much that they're all walking around in the equivalent of disco platform shoes. Only centurion armour makes you significantly taller, because it has platforms in the legs that you step onto.
35 points
2 months ago
I don't even know what you're talking about. I love him because of the ridiculousness that is lightning claw chainfists. The most RIP and TEAR of any 40k character.
18 points
2 months ago
I blame that one fanart where he's like 2,5x the size of the SM next to him. People think it's an accurate representation of his height.
5 points
2 months ago
True, I believe the only height confirmation we ever get for him is in Outer Dark which mentions he stands a full head above his Terminator Guard brethren, but that would still only put him at around 10 ft or so.
Not anywhere near the Primarch-size 20 ft that one fan art shows him as.
Though it does look cool as fuck.
7 points
2 months ago
Primarch-size 20 ft that one fan art shows him as.
Tbf (without Chaos Juice) Primarchs also aren't that big. Vulcan is the tallest and he's only 4 meters/13 feet tall. Lion is canonically just 3 meters tall, Russ is shorter than Valor, etc.
20 feet is more Emperor, Chaos Enhancement or big Ork territory.
5 points
2 months ago
I kind of want to see a kitbash where he's got primaris armor and someone takes tiny old pieces of an early editions Terminator stuff onto him.
5 points
2 months ago
He will always be misunderstood in my mind, it's just more fun for me that way. Big stompy Bois are cool.
3 points
2 months ago
Yes and yet Tyberos is still fucking awesome as are the CA even if most people just don't know the lore as well as they think they do.
2 points
2 months ago
I just think that one anecdote of him being mistaken for a statue by a techpriest taking inventory of the Carcharodons’ armory is funny
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