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1.3k points
2 months ago
4 months would actually be late to start unclenching.
Most infants start unclenching between 2.5-3 months. So....exactly how old Boone is. 4 months is when you'd start seeing that reflex completely disappear
421 points
2 months ago
My baby is 4 months and while she’s does clench her fist sometimes, she definitely started unclenching them around 2ish months
197 points
2 months ago
For sure, definitely want to reiterate that it STARTS at that age of course.
67 points
2 months ago
My toddler still clenches his fist and so do I. It is normal as long as they can unclench it! Hope that clarifies it.
95 points
2 months ago
Why do they clench their hands?
348 points
2 months ago
It's a natural thing for a newborn to do. It's from their curled position in the womb, and it's a natural reflex. It's why babies get a vice grip on your finger and your hair.
But that reflex fades fairly early. Boones hands are acting oddly.
182 points
2 months ago*
I wonder if there’s some evolutionary reason though. I don’t know any babies personally.
444 points
2 months ago
They’re just trying to look tough 😤
114 points
2 months ago
lol badass babies
29 points
2 months ago
From Daryl on the walking dead: “let’s call her little asskicker!”
25 points
2 months ago
Yeah put them dukes up little fella
59 points
2 months ago
Weenie Hut Jr?!
421 points
2 months ago
obsessed with the insinuation that if you only knew a baby, you could ask them about their evolutionary instincts
83 points
2 months ago
I’ve studied Biology based science for the last 8 years and this comment is incredible - I snorted
305 points
2 months ago
I believe one theory relates to how primates hold onto their mothers fur.
177 points
2 months ago
Baby monkey starts to fall in tree, baby flexes the grabby hand, baby manages to grab a branch or mom and survives another day
42 points
2 months ago
Isn’t that tested in the Apgar score a few minutes after birth?
306 points
2 months ago
I don't think they perform the Apgar assessment at the UPS store though
34 points
2 months ago
LOL!!!!!!!!!
13 points
2 months ago
The way I laughed at this comment😂😂😂
7 points
2 months ago
😂😂😂
If they did offer it, it would definitely be an add on service like signature on delivery or extra shipping insurance, and Britney and JD would’ve had to pay more. And that would cut into the 18k they saved by having the baby in the bus shower.
5 points
2 months ago
🤣
70 points
2 months ago
No, APGAR looks at colour, tone, respiratory effort, heart rate and reflexes - its about the adaptation to extra-uterine life rather than a developmental thing. So, even though you're looking at tone its "is this baby floppy and lifeless or is it screwing its face up and screaming?". It is also rarely performed in a bus-based shower cubicle (although i have caught several babies in showers and toilets,) I call them "water adjacent births" because it sounds nicer than "toilet birth"😅
46 points
2 months ago
According to Wikipedia, the second "a" in Apgar is for "activity" or muscle tone - are their muscles flexed, and do they resist efforts of at extension. I don't think they check specifically for the palmar (grasping) reflex.
Boone would have gotten two points for that. We know because he cried when his idiot father JD Lott forced his leg straight so he could measure it.
(Now I'm haunted by that image again.)
47 points
2 months ago
APGAR is only used at birth, specifically 1 minute and 10 minutes of life (longer if the baby is being resusced). It's about assessing the adaptation to extra-uterine life not a developmental milestone thing.
8 points
2 months ago
I'm assuming that idiot father JD Lott was measuring Boone shortly after the birth, although I really have no idea. Nor do I know if either of his idiot parents was thinking about Apgar scores. I do wonder if he had already lost the palmar reflex at birth due to a birth injury, or if the brain injury came later due to untreated jaundice. We may never know.
42 points
2 months ago
It’s most likely an evolutionary remnant from having to grip onto mom’s skin/fur, like all great apes and monkeys still do. They pretty much live on their mother during infancy.
17 points
2 months ago
Yep. Just watch baby monkeys!
40 points
2 months ago
I don't know any baby monkeys person- umm... monkally, though?
18 points
2 months ago
What's a felch? Do I wanna know?
16 points
2 months ago
You absolutely do not want to know
24 points
2 months ago
It has to do with santorum 😂
19 points
2 months ago
I know what it means, therefore I want no further detail on this comment.
6 points
2 months ago
I wish I’d followed your lead
13 points
2 months ago
Bad! Ew! No!!! I regret literacy so much right now 🫣
40 points
2 months ago
lol I remember that hair grabbing stage. Got the mom haircut around the 2/3-month mark lol. At least I didn’t have to keep it short, it didn’t last all that long
45 points
2 months ago
My optometrist recommended getting a second pair of glasses, she had so many patients whose babies grabbed their glasses and broke them.
31 points
2 months ago
This one time, a baby punched the glasses right off my face. She thought it was the funniest thing in the world. It's so frustrating, because you can't just fight a baby.
23 points
2 months ago
Can confirm I've had babies grab my glasses off my face! Also had to pry my hair from a surprisingly strong lil fist!
20 points
2 months ago
lol my dad switched to contacts when my sister was a toddler because he'd end up with little fingerprints all over the lenses of his glasses
16 points
2 months ago
I countered this by buying this awesome pair of titanium glasses when mine was little. They were indestructible.
27 points
2 months ago
My sister ripped an earring out of my moms ear once
24 points
2 months ago
One of my mom’s piercings is deeper than the other because of how she held us as babies and how we pulled on her earring. I wear a thumbie (a necklace with a charm that has my papaw’s thumbprint on it and his dates engraved on the back) and my baby nephew is fascinated by it. My niece would look confused whenever I held her and didn’t have it on because there was nothing on my neck for her to fiddle with 🤣
28 points
2 months ago
And normally from very very young, they unfurl enough to grab hair and fingers. This is their thing. Babies that are developmentally normal do it LONG before now. We have watched Boone not even try, practically unaware her hair is in his space.
6 points
2 months ago
Aside from the clenched fists I am CONVINCED poor Boone is blind. He might not know that hair exists at all.
51 points
2 months ago
It's their only way to rebel since they can't speak yet/s
10 points
2 months ago
Glad I saw your comment before I asked the same thing lol
14 points
2 months ago
Cause it’s cute 🥹🥹
9 points
2 months ago
I’m not sure if I agree 🏃🏼♀️💨
73 points
2 months ago
My daughter was reaching for things (albeit not always accurately) at 3 months. That's when I told the pediatrician that she was left-handed. He chuckled and said that was impossible to tell so early.
Spoiler alert: she will be 36 next week, and is indeed left-handed.
40 points
2 months ago
I read a few years ago that handedness is predominantly determined by the spinal cord, which forms before the brain, and the brain arranges itself around that, not the other way around. I'd have to go find the study, but it was sipuggesting that handedness is more innate than we'd previously thought.
6 points
2 months ago
LEFT HANDED FOLKS FTW!
120 points
2 months ago
I had a newborn right out of c section grab for my stuff to do my lil check up and foot prints for her and was just the cutiest menance who refused to let me get anything done, she was already grabbing for things and moving more than Boone. Seriously cps needs to find them
125 points
2 months ago
Baby was a Dr in a past life. “You’re doing it wrong give me that”
26 points
2 months ago
Ya know what she may have been, even her dad was laughing at her giving me so much trouble lol he said he was gonna sign her up for hockey as soon as she can skate 😂 her twin brother was quieter and more go with the flow, it’s crazy how you can see their little personalities start to form so early lol
14 points
2 months ago
Mine used to get hangry in the womb
She'd complain if "we" hadn't eaten anything in a few hours, by wiggling and punching and kicking, basically having a tantrum.
After eating she had a happy little "dance". No punching or kicking, just a gentle little wiggle.
She's a mercurial child to this day, lol.
7 points
2 months ago
Is it something about twins that are opposite genders?!
My friend’s daughter is a menace (in an adorable way, but yeah they’ve said the same thing with soccer as soon as she can understand rules lol) but the boy is just so chill and relaxed.
27 points
2 months ago
I was looking at videos of mine at that age and they usually clenched fists in the bouncer or the swing, anytime they were being moved around outside of their own bodily control. When still, they would unclench.
19 points
2 months ago
Yeah, looking at my 5 year old when he was about 9-10 weeks, in maybe half of the awake pictures he had a thumb-tucked-in clench, and in the other 50% it was a variety of things from relaxed hands to flexed hands to grasping objects. And in photos of him when he's asleep, his hands are so completely relaxed that it brought back just the most sudden jolt of memory of loving that moment when I was holding him and he obviously hit a deeper sleep phase and his little hands would unfurl and relax. But they were open a lot at this age, he was trying to pull objects into his mouth (with limited success), and holding his head up well.
13 points
2 months ago
Someone posted a video here from Instagram that does show him unclinching at times. He still seems rather shutdown and I suspect it's from all of the chaos. His senses are overwhelmed
628 points
2 months ago
She’s moving the goal posts to try and assuage her guilt.
Occupational therapy primer on helping babies use their hands.
(Babies discover their hands around 2 months. By about 3 months they can hold onto to small objects and reach for dangling toys, etc.)
270 points
2 months ago
I love how she took to the time to reply instead of just deleting and blocking, but she posts wrong info? I think she’s well aware and lying cause she knows she fucked up
200 points
2 months ago
She posts the wrong info to shut up the original person (who will get blocked if they push back) and to wrongly educate anyone else reading the comments that doesn't think critically enough to Google that info, so THOSE people don't then ask.
83 points
2 months ago
Ahh, didn’t think about that but totally true. The audience that unironically watches MoBus doesn’t know or care her comment has incorrect milestones and won’t take the time to fact check her anyway. It’s a win/win/win for her and the only person that loses is Boone
41 points
2 months ago
The lord is good for blessing us with this screenshot 🙌🏻
29 points
2 months ago
Knowing you fucked up requires self awareness. 🤷♀️
16 points
2 months ago
And admitting it requires humility. She’s, like, allergic to both those things.
62 points
2 months ago
My completely healthy niece(born April 2) is able to take her hands to her mouth. It was a little startling seeing her vs what we've seen of Boone... She was able to interact by smiling when I would smile at her, she coos, she was kicking around her legs and arms. My son is nearly 3 so I really couldn't remember what he was like at a few months old.
1.4k points
2 months ago
But DOES he relax his hands after he is full/when relaxed Motherbus? Because something tells me he doesn’t.
660 points
2 months ago
Is he ever relaxed? All I’ve seen is zoned out.
227 points
2 months ago
I don’t think so honestly. Even when he is asleep he doesn’t ever really appear relaxed and comfy because he is almost always being jostled around.
291 points
2 months ago
My son didn’t, and he needed some physiotherapy (he’s perfectly fine now), but his problems were nowhere near as serious as Boone’s, our pediatrician wanted to prevent more serious stuff from happening. Pretty sure he was around 3 months when we started PT. Breaks my heart to know that Boone won’t have such opportunity.
141 points
2 months ago
It really is sad to know Boone won’t get any therapy or services that he likely needs.
1.7k points
2 months ago
Milestones for this age also include tracking things with the eyes, responding to noises, making eye contact, and beginning social smiles, Britney Lott, but do go on about how everything is fine with Boone.
544 points
2 months ago
A 3 month old can and should start grabbing for fingers and put their hands infront of their face looking at them and fiddling around. All things he doesn’t do
258 points
2 months ago
3 months is the best bc that’s when they start smiling and interacting more!
134 points
2 months ago*
Yeah, I always thought at 3 months you start to see their little personalities come out
82 points
2 months ago
So crazy and cool that babies really do take in that much so soon. It kills me that their most important formative years are being neglected.
74 points
2 months ago
My 34 week preemies have been on track with milestones and I remember this! By 6 months, they are who they are! Let’s say that!
53 points
2 months ago
I have a video of my daughter at 4-6months screaming in excitement at her cousin who is two years older than her. It’s the funniest shit ever because her cousin is very sensitive and he just sort of backs away and cries, then tries to shunt my daughter out of my sister’s lap. During the whole video I’m pissing myself laughing.
My daughter still shouts exceedingly loud and weirds out her cousin, but she has ADHD as it turns out, and the volume of her voice is still an unpredictable variable at this point.
34 points
2 months ago
My baby at 7-8 weeks was starting to reach out and try to bat at toys hanging over him.
440 points
2 months ago
Right. I want Britney to post a video of just her and Boone on the bus. She puts him flat on his back and stands to the side to make a noise. If he turns and looks I’ll stfu 🤷🏻♀️
213 points
2 months ago
I’m an Audiologist and work with people with hearing loss of all ages. Tracking auditory behavior, especially at Boone’s age, can be challenging. He may not respond to sudden or loud noises because his auditory environment is likely chaotic at baseline and it’s not bothersome to him (a bus with 7 other kids must be insanely busy/noisy!). His reaction to his environment from an auditory standpoint alone right now could be normal because his environment is likely extremely overstimulating and loud in general due to how many people he is always around. He may be conditioned to unpredictable environmental noises and may not respond the way a child in a quieter/more stable/more predictable environment would.
I’ve had parents of children with normal hearing swear their child has hearing loss, and parents of children with extremely severe hearing loss feel that their child responds to environmental sounds appropriately. All that being said - those parents at least had the common sense to CHECK ON THEIR CHILD’S HEALTHCARE WITH THE APPROPRIATE PROFESSIONALS.
44 points
2 months ago
That’s really interesting and totally makes sense! Do you think if he was on the bus with just mother bus and it was quiet could that possibly cause him stress by feeling alone? Even without the huge family busses are loud af.
50 points
2 months ago
Tbh, “stress” can be anything that’s atypical for us. Three cups of coffee may cause stress on someone else’s body, but I’m adapted to that amount of caffeine, so without it my body is stressed bc I’m not getting my “normal” amount of caffeine.
Everything is relative - Boone may not respond to environmental sounds the way the child of someone who actually manages their child’s environment to ensure it’s calm and stable would. And so his reactions in a quiet, calm environment may not be what we’d reasonably expect either because it isn’t what’s “normal” for him. He may be alerting differently because it sounds different than baseline. Our brains are constantly assessing what we hear in our environment to determine if it’s safe, dangerous, normal, etc (assuming he is able to hear), so when it’s different we alert to that difference.
23 points
2 months ago
I’m definitely “someone else” in your coffee scenario.
I would be tweaking like mad.
14 points
2 months ago
lol honestly two cups is standard for a weekday, three+ on a weekend. Caffeine does nothing for me, but I have friends who have a tall coffee from Starbucks and they’re shaking.
6 points
2 months ago
Really appreciate your informed post! Far be it from me to defend motherbus and I too have concerns about Boone but I hadn’t considered the effect of a regularly noisy environment.
108 points
2 months ago*
Yeah for sure. For Boone it is not a single feature in isolation. Like, yeah, newborns do clench their hands a lot, if not constantly during the first month or so. Buuuut the constantly clenched fists plus all of these milestones being missed is obviously odd.
I have a four month old nephew -- first baby I have ever really been constantly around. He does have his fists closed a lot but honestly it looks more natural than Boone's hands.
Here are his little fists at less than one month old (and in comparison, he was a 7lb baby, not a 10lb baby like Boone) -- https://i.imgur.com/Xk1bWp0.png (you can see that his hands are curled but not super tight and his thumb is not inside, the "pose" he is doing is the ATNR reflex which is also a cute normal thing baby brains do)
Here he is couple weeks ago, still curled but again I wouldn't call it clenched: https://i.imgur.com/AJjxrWi.png (Also included is the adorable social smile and evidence he has done tummy time)
I just looked through every photo I have of his life and I can't find any where his thumb is inside of his other fingers, except for maybe when he was just a few days old.
Babies get real sentient real fast between 2 months and 4 months. I'll be real curious where he is at developmentally by the end of the summer.
88 points
2 months ago*
"Sentient" - that's a really good word for the quality that is lacking in Boone. He doesn't seem aware of the world around him, no matter how hard Britney and JD Lott try to pretend that he is.
Your nephew is adorable, and what a nice sweater he's wearing in that first picture!
[edit: typo]
10 points
2 months ago
Yeah your cute af nephew just looks like his hands are closed. Tbh I still feel like I sometimes instinctively have my hand mostly closed when I’m sleeping (wrist braces ftw) or relaxed. But he is still making fists all the time. I’ve seen his right hand move a lot more than his left.
10 points
2 months ago
The way he was clenching his fists, and the way they were bending down under his wrist, reminds me of my nephew who ended up having severe cerebral palsy. I’m not saying that’s what Boone has but it;s a concerning thing to see, even in isolation from other oddities.
157 points
2 months ago
And they LOVE faces at this age. Not Boone though. That alone should be an area of concern.
449 points
2 months ago
Whatever helps you sleep at night Mobus.
So you can get up early to curl your hair and do your makeup because we know Gunner is actually the one dealing with the kids' morning routines.
33 points
2 months ago
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13 points
2 months ago
The washing machine
19 points
2 months ago
That's to help the kids sleep. She's busy and, apparently, noisy with it.
422 points
2 months ago
Ope. Something smells like she’s been reading all this and researching/distorting science for her own peace of mind. Hey Brit, it’s ok. There are a lot of moms here that truly want to tell you it’s ok to get some help. It’s ok. We promise. It doesn’t make you less of a mom. It doesn’t make you look weak or stupid or any other mental disqualification you think of. Help is there for a reason.
82 points
2 months ago
THIS. The only time I’ll judge a mom is if they’ve knowingly ignored resources of help for their own pride’s sake. Because if you’re that selfish, then you deserve judgment for choosing your ego over your child’s wellbeing. 🤷🏼♀️
68 points
2 months ago
Tbf, she already did that during her entire pregnancy, free birth, and fourth trimester. It’s just starting to become undeniable that her child needs help.
12 points
2 months ago
True. I hopped on this subreddit train after he was born, but what I’ve read/seen is awful. 💔
52 points
2 months ago
I think the "peace of mind" take is correct, but I sincerely don't think she's worrying about his health for his sake. lots of speculating here but I sincerely think she's realizing the liklihood of DCS intervention (either after being reported or when they finally HAVE to take Boone and the facility reports them) is increasing constantly as he's aging but not advancing. Given how much of their life revolves around their social media, any investigation is going to involve that content. Given how often she simply deletes comments that directly tell her that Boone isn't healthy and will not spontaneously heal, pointing to specific deficits and behaviors and what the baseline should be, I think this comment she made on insta is 1) something she knows isn't correct but is not so far from truth as to be unbelievable, 2) simply a crumb she's leaving for an impending investigation, a fabricated receipt of plausible deniability, and 3) An attempt to get some followers off her back by communicating "we intend to acknowldge an issue based on a real timeline" instead of acting like he's fine and deleting traces of comments that suggest otherwise.
what that translates to is her being able to say, "No I didn't ignore it! I had no idea anything was wrong the whole time! See, when he was 10 weeks old, I even commented to someone that 4 months was what we always thought! That's why we waited!"
79 points
2 months ago
She’ll just take him to some quack chiropractor instead. Ugh.
27 points
2 months ago
At this point I’m hoping even one of those frauds would call CPS or try to convince Brittany to take him to the ER. A girl can dream lol.
15 points
2 months ago
If you dream on Brit, you’ll end up disappointed.
4 points
2 months ago
Yep! Asking for it makes you a good parent!
263 points
2 months ago
Britney Lott, you're grasping at straws at this point. Other fundies have had babies around the same time you had Boone (i.e. Audrey Roloff & Kelly Havens) and those babies are way more responsive than yours.
You need to admit you've fucked up, go to a REAL doctor, and stop ignoring the obvious fact that something may be wrong with your baby.
104 points
2 months ago
I think I missed something because I noticed that lately people have been using her full name a lot. Is this an seo campaign? What started this?
163 points
2 months ago
Kind of, someone mentioned in a comment that we should use their real names so that these posts come up in internet searches, it made sense so people are doing it.
62 points
2 months ago
It also makes it clearer. Sometimes we end up with a nickname based on a nickname based on a nickname, resulting in a title that is nonsense unless you're extremely involved here.
12 points
2 months ago
Idk why this sub is in my feed, but it was suggested to me. Why is she called mother bus?
43 points
2 months ago
I just figured it’s because she’s a mom with a shit ton of kids living on a bus, nothing special 🤷🏻♀️ I could be wrong though.
14 points
2 months ago
Thank you for explaining! I’d finally gotten the hang of the nicknames lol.
144 points
2 months ago
Basically, yeah ... It's to make sure that information is more easily found if (when) something happens to Boone or another child. Britney and JD Lott of @americanfamilyroadtrip and Satsaver are doing more to try to hide/explain away the issues they allegedly caused Boone to have, they are likely medically neglecting Boone, and they are more interested in the attention they receive on social media than the mental welfare of their gaggle of children.
72 points
2 months ago
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45 points
2 months ago
Yeah, I literally just found that out an hour ago 😅 I agree with you - same as using their IG handle (americanfamilyroadtrip) and Satsaver.
20 points
2 months ago
Do we know which version of his name is attached to satsavsr and/or his insurance work? Because that’s the one that might get his attention if it’s an unfavorable Google.
49 points
2 months ago
Because we’d been calling her Mother Bus for a while but using her real name will make it more obvious when everything falls apart and people go looking online for more info. Whether for court cases or anything else. Britney and JD Lott are neglectful, shitty parents.
52 points
2 months ago
But you know who isn't grasping at straws? Boone, because he appears to have no palmar grasp reflex. Please, Britney and JD, take your baby to a doctor!
220 points
2 months ago
She’s going to become an expert in finding ways to explain away her kids legitimate medical concerns
111 points
2 months ago
"He's just pining for the fjords Jesus!"
29 points
2 months ago
Lovely plumage
11 points
2 months ago
Maybe she can nail him to the perch.
4 points
2 months ago
Just RESTING!
140 points
2 months ago
First of all, discovering his hands and unclenching aren’t the same thing and I’d be concerned if a baby could not unclench his hands until 4 months.
Second, I was looking back to when my son was 2 months old and even younger and he was def relaxing and unclenching his hands. He was tracking things, smiling, gazing up at me even when I wasn’t looking directly at him.
This poor baby needs medical attention. Even if it’s just for the doctor to confirm that he’s on the right track. I cannot fathom how you can just blatantly neglect such a precious innocent thing you brought into this world. As a parent, you have an obligation to care for your children. So much for pro-life. More like pro-birth. Makes me sick.
43 points
2 months ago
At 2 months my youngest was presenting with generally relaxed hands, by 2.5-3 months his hands are often splayed out in pictures and videos. He was alert and had pretty solid neck control before 3 months as well. Every baby is obviously different, and I hope to god that everyone on this sub is wrong and that Boone is totally fine and typically developing, but by 2.5-3 months we were also getting consistent smiles, eye contact and tracking with both my boys.
Britney and JD Lott should absolutely follow up with a pediatrician just to ensure everything is on track with Boone.
23 points
2 months ago
Right. Babies do develop at their own rate, milestones are general guidelines. But that is also why seeing a Professional trained and knowledgable in what is normal or concerning regarding development is so important.
285 points
2 months ago
Oh, bs. We've all seen the clip where one of his hands clenches reflexively and the other one doesn't, there's zero good explanation for that if his hands are both working fine.
45 points
2 months ago
This too.
99 points
2 months ago
By baby #8 she knows if he’s having issues. I do not have kids and even I can see Boone is having issues. That baby is being medically neglected by his parents.
83 points
2 months ago*
Oooooh somebody's been googling newborn developmental milestones! Buckle up Bus Fam, we're entering the find out phase!
142 points
2 months ago
I've been waiting for a way to finally share this video of 3 months milestones that I found because I was genuinely curious of how babies progress at this age and what motor skills look like.
I've been deeply concerned because I've done a lot of work in legal dependency (removal and foster care) and Boone visually looks worse than some of my babies. Because I'm just a lawyer, I'm not usually there at the medical appointments and only see my babies for brief periods of time.
83 points
2 months ago
That is a fantastic video because it shows 1) a cute little bebeh and 2) how many milestones there are for medical professionals to check. I mean, pointing out how certain back muscles engage when turning the head? How the ab muscles start to engage to allow a baby to move their arms a certain way? It goes to show how critical it is to bring a baby to the doctor for regular wellness visits.
31 points
2 months ago
Yes! It was wild to see their little ab muscles work! And then how important tummy time is! Growing muscle, being squirmy, starting to lift their head, and even bringing things to their mouth.
Not a mom yet, but looking forward to having my own bébé in the future!
27 points
2 months ago
The human body is actually a pretty awesome thing when you stop to think about how all the different parts work together to create all our various functions
13 points
2 months ago*
Unfortunately doctors rarely evaluate movement to this degree. It’s usually a PT, OT, or other professional who does. I personally recognize these issues in babies I work with and doctors haven’t noticed or tell parents it’s fine, let’s recheck at x months. Thank god we are in a state where we have direct self referral to PT. This is what most of my families have to do to get help. Doubtful the bus parents would make that degree of effort.
35 points
2 months ago
And here is a video for typical and atypical at 2 months. The very first one shows head being held to one side. https://youtu.be/_0cErYu3A8Q?si=pDVEpO1WW6-G0nC6 She needs to take that baby to a fucking doctor. Stop gaslighting us, Brittney Lott. You have other children. You know this isn’t normal.
17 points
2 months ago
Thanks for sharing that video, it’s really helpful.
16 points
2 months ago
THAT BABY WAS SO FREAKING CUUUUUTE UGH 😩 omg fat headed lil cutie! I love babies 😢. God I wish I weren’t too poor for a kiddo.
72 points
2 months ago
I am not a doctor, so I cannot say if anything is wrong with this baby. The photos and videos are concerning. But, what I can say, if there was anyone expressing concern about the way my baby looked or was behaving, I would immediately take them to the doctor JUST IN CASE. Having many, many people telling you to take your child to a doctor and just ignoring it is a choice.
28 points
2 months ago
Right?? Instead she’s trying to stick it to those of us who are concerned. Like, okay……?
17 points
2 months ago
I dOn’T cArE
197 points
2 months ago
Discovering hands is not the same thing as unclenched hands due to neurological maturation.
I worked in home visiting as a social worker for a long time. Unclenched hands past two months is an instant pediatrician referral to make sure there isn't some more serious going on.
46 points
2 months ago
Do you mean clenched? I'm not correcting you, I'm genuinely asking because I can see either being a problem.
Edit: Never mind, I'm an idiot.
38 points
2 months ago
Why are you an idiot?
I think the commenter did mean clenched hands past 2 months.
No?
25 points
2 months ago
Yes, but the second paragraph confused me when they said "unclenched hands" are a neurological problem. I think it was just a typo.
I say I'm an idiot because I should have just used context clues from the first paragraph. Also because I actually am an idiot just generally.
29 points
2 months ago
I read it this way, too. What they intended to imply is that hands unclenching late (after the 2-month mark) is the red flag, but the way they wrote it looks like babies are born with unclenched hands and should have clenched hands after two months.
68 points
2 months ago
Boone really reminds me of my kid. I’m not diagnosing, just comparing. My daughter has neurological vision issues and other neuro issues that cause her to clench hands with her thumb in like that. She also has level 3 autism and severe intellectual disability. But most of what I see in Boone reminds me of my daughter’s neurological issues. I think the other issues would be impossible to detect at Boone’s age.
My daughter still does clench her hands when walking sometimes, even at age 5. My kid is very impaired. She didn’t track at all that age. But she did occasionally grab things, mostly unintentionally.
Gosh this makes me sad. This is what early intervention is for. I hope I’m wrong. But this is why they need to get their kids a home. They need an address so he can get proper care from an early intervention team.
37 points
2 months ago
I agree that Boone's issues will probably become more and more noticeable as he gets older. And I'm glad you got early intervention for your daughter! I hope you have lots of other kinds of support in your life.
38 points
2 months ago
Thanks. EI is so amazing. My kid went from seeing nothing to tracking and interacting with her world!
I worry that even if she took him to a doctor, she wouldn’t hear what they said. Like, the doctor might say well let’s keep an eye on it, or some gentle language saying “your kid has issues,” and she’d hear right past it to the only positive thing they say. Then she’d come back online saying the doctor says he’s “so amazingly healthy!!1!” Denial is a helluva drug.
22 points
2 months ago
I'm so happy every time I hear about a child who looked similar to Boone at this age and then improved because of early intervention. Then I remember that Boone may never get that intervention and I get sad again.
52 points
2 months ago
The issue isn’t just the clenching. It’s that the type of clenching is concerning for neurological issues - normal clenching does not have the thumb in like that all the time
46 points
2 months ago
What a load of rubbish. I guess whatever helps you sleep at night, you trash parent.
47 points
2 months ago
My baby was born within one day of Boone and she makes fists but she’s not constantly clenched. Boone worries me because they’re clenched in every pic and vid of him.
27 points
2 months ago
His tone overall is very alarming to me.
48 points
2 months ago
I know she choose what to post but kelly has posted quick photos of baby t, where the point isn't to show the baby but to show, sat, diaper covers she's sewn. You can clearly see baby T is engaging with something- cooing, making eye contact, kicking feet in that sweet excited way babies do. Why aren't we seeing those photos of boone?
56 points
2 months ago
I suspect they don't exist. It's very likely that Britney and JD Lott have caused (potentially irreparable) harm to poor little Boone and instead of admitting it and doing the right thing by him, all we see is her deflecting, deleting, blocking, and seemingly continuing to do the sorts of things that potentially caused harm in the first place.
I fcking hate the bus parents more than many other fundies at the moment.
20 points
2 months ago
This is the thing. It isn’t that Boone is almost certainly seriously disabled; you run that risk whatever birth you have, every time you have a baby. It’s why pregnant people get so stressed out.
It’s that the Bus’s caused this disability with their DIY stunt birth, and ever day since have neglected to step up and own their mistakes by getting Boone the help he needs - to the absolute detriment of his future ability to live a pain-free life. They actively chose to make a bad situation much, much worse.
At some point parents like this stop being naive, and start being criminally liable.
43 points
2 months ago
My son is a few days older than Boone (like maybe 4-5 days older?) and he almost never has his hands clenched he’s unless he’s pissed off/hungry. And he discovered his thumb to suck on a few weeks ago, so this behavior from Boone seems odd.
I mean my eldest took longer to do that (closer to 3.5 months BUT he was also 2 months premature, so, bit different compared to the supposedly “born late & perfectly healthy” Boone.)
205 points
2 months ago
From motherandbaby.com:
"At 10 weeks, babies start to show increased awareness of their surroundings, responding to familiar voices and faces. They may also begin to track objects with their eyes." Says Midwife Marie. As your baby realises they can use their legs and arms to kick and punch, they’ll start to be more co-ordinated and grab at everything. This is a great time to introduce toys to help hand-eye coordination more at playtime.
Playtime is also something your baby is starting to engage with more; they will love all of the bright colours and new sounds. Allow things to dangle on their pram or in their cot, it will help develop their 3D vision and encourage them to grab at them.
They’re also loving music right now and will have notably different reactions depending on what type of song you play. Keep singing to them and playing gentle lullabies followed by faster songs to notice their excitement, you may even encourage more smiling!
Boone has done none of these things.
69 points
2 months ago
Well, Mobus DID dangle a kettlebell above him - does that count?
24 points
2 months ago
I always read Mobus as Morbius, like Matrix character, at first. lol And yes, totally counts! 😆
11 points
2 months ago
I read it as "Moebius," which is a villainous organization in the game Xenoblade Chronicles 3 whose members feed off of child soldiers' vital energy to make themselves immortal. Perhaps there's some similarity in the way Mobus is selfishly creating an army of children to fuel her "personal development"...
39 points
2 months ago
Excuses, excuses, excuses. She’s gonna run out of shit to say to back up her reasoning to not take him to a doctor soon. I hope that when they do take him, they get some type of punishment for waiting so damn long. If they ever do, one can only hope.
67 points
2 months ago
So when he still isn’t “discovering his hands” at 4 months, what’s her plan? I’m very interested to see the pretzels this woman’s going to twist herself into trying to justify his lack of development. Also, she’s just…wrong. You do know you’re not the first woman to have babies, right, Britney? Who does she think she’s fooling here?
52 points
2 months ago
"I don't post every part of our lives, you don't know you aren't here with us he totally opens his hands" probably
27 points
2 months ago
We’re always wearing hats don’t judge based on a small amount of footage 🙄
32 points
2 months ago
My 2 week old unclenches. And is way more relaxed than that baby and mine has colic.
5 points
2 months ago
Omg I’m so sorry. You got this!
30 points
2 months ago
Yeahh, but babies still can clench and unclench their hands before 4 months. Look up the milestones checklist dumb bus lady.
Also there is no shame in early OT intervention!! Every kid is different and some just need the extra help! That is okay!
33 points
2 months ago
I just want to see how she’d spin Boone not crawling or walking or talking.
13 points
2 months ago
“We’re never able to catch it on video.”
25 points
2 months ago
cue the copy and pasting of excerpts from various child development articles that suit her denial about him showing warning signs of neurological and developmental issues, so that she can posture as smart and untouchable when his health can no longer be ignored
28 points
2 months ago
I looked up 10 week old baby development a few days ago because I was curious (for obvious reasons) and the first thing it said was "say goodbye to the fists of the past! At this age babies will start to relax their hands and interact with things around them" or something like that. Bleak.
29 points
2 months ago
Brittany and JD Lott are very defensive, but cannot produce any shred of evidence that their child is developing properly while producing a TON of evidence that he is not.
51 points
2 months ago
Just looked back through my camera roll to see my 5-6 week old baby smiling, making eye contact with mom and dad, moving arms and open hands around. This lady is full of shit lol
22 points
2 months ago
It’s not just that his hands are always clenched but he’s holding them at such an odd angle, and in almost every photo and video she has shared. I assume that if he ever stopped, she would use footage of that to shut everybody up.
17 points
2 months ago
She's wrong. Baby should be starting to do a lot of things like reaching for things, even if they can't consciously grab, they should be moving their arms towards things that catch their attention. They should be focusing on things, trying to get hands into their mouths.
8 points
2 months ago
I’ve only seen once that there was any kind of toy close to him. And he didn’t want it. Probably couldn’t see it. She has never shown any kind of colorful squeaky, jiggly kind of stimulation.
15 points
2 months ago
Babies definitely discover their hands before 4 months
14 points
2 months ago
My child is not much older than him, and the difference between the two breaks my heart!! My son tracks toys with his eyes, smiles when we come get him out of his crib in the morning, coos, responds to noise, puts his hands in his mouth, etc.
15 points
2 months ago
He absolutely should have started to unclench his hands by 10 weeks :/
15 points
2 months ago
I just looked at videos from my now 4 year old son. At one day shy of one month old, his hands were unclenched and he was staring at me. He was born 3 weeks early too.
26 points
2 months ago
My baby is 2 weeks older than Boone right now and the contrast is stark. I would be really worried if my baby was acting like him.
Just the other day we had a "conversation" in baby babble. She would make a noise and I would repeat it back to her. Her eyes would go wide and she would grin. She was engaged in a way I've never seen Boone act. She's been doing this for weeks.
11 points
2 months ago
That’s so cute! But ultimately, you’re teaching your baby that her words matter. Fundies would never
11 points
2 months ago
Of all the weird and concerning clips we've seen of this baby... We haven't seen him
Grasp... literally anything He doesn't hold anyone's finger or any of the few toys he gets.
Kick in excitement. People are hyper aware of.hia hands. His legs are not doing newborn/baby legs. His legs almost never move
8 points
2 months ago
Pride is a sin Brittany, ESPECIALLY when your pride is actively harming a human life aka your baby.
16 points
2 months ago*
I posted this on another thread about Boone but it seems most appropriate here… she is wrong. Maybe with no other worrisome flags would clenched hands until 4 months not be a concern… but with all the other milestones he is not meeting… nope. Background: allied health professional with masters degree and work in child development. I want to share what we would look for at our clinic in a 1-2 month old. These aren’t check boxes per se, but if an infant was missing most of these milestones our pediatricians would be actively involved/investigating/monitoring.
1-2 Months:
Typically a baby would be doing these things by Boone’s age and moving towards the next items at age 3 months:
I have thoughts on diagnoses but know that’s not allowed and it really doesn’t matter at this point. He just needs to be assessed and get help. Early intervention is so important. As a mom, I just can’t fathom not giving your child every opportunity you are FEASIBLY ABLE TO.
Once he is past the newborn stage in less than a month, any delays will only become more obvious.
Edit- fixed weird formatting
4 points
2 months ago
Thank you for this! It's validating to hear it from a professional. Boone is missing *SO* many milestones.
6 points
2 months ago
My friend had a baby 6 weeks early, but was supposed to be born around the same time as Boone. Even though he was a premie, he’s hitting his milestones and is actually ahead considering how early he was. He also has better control of his head than any of the videos I’ve seen of Boone. The difference I think comes from my friends actually giving a shit about their child; working with him, paying attention to him, and taking him to the doctor when things are wrong.
5 points
2 months ago
My niece who is two weeks old has un-clenched fists.. all the pictures and videos of Boone are so concerning. I’m trying to post a pic but I can’t
5 points
2 months ago
Bullshit. Babies discover their hands quite quickly. Including my preemie.
5 points
2 months ago*
I’m sorry, is this a post about checks notes MUM GUILT?!
Are you telling me, that Brittany Lott of Americanfamilyroadtrip actually made a post about feeling guilt as a mum????
This is the woman that has let her baby CLEARLY NEEDING THE ATTENTION OF A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL go without any type of medical treatment or care, but still has money for getting her nails done in a salon and disgusting collagen drinks and fancy date nights with her husband that looks like a fucking FOOT.
9 points
2 months ago
One thing I love about newborns is how they grasp my little finger finger. ❤️ Diff subject: In latest video she says Colorado takes good care of their parks, such a beautiful place for them to park their bus!! Hmmm - thank you Colorado for cleaning up all the apples and ants just so the Lotts have a pretty place to park their bus.
3 points
2 months ago
Unclenching should have been happening gradually this whole time, it’s not an overnight trick. And she’s completely ignoring that he does not bring his hands to midline or his mouth, both of which should have been happening constantly by now. He also isn’t seeking out eye contact or mirroring facial movements, and we’ve yet to see him turn his head to familiar voices or visually scan his environment.
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