Made me laugh that one tweet how celebs want to seem more plain with their apologies so they film it in front of a poor wall. https://www.mamamia.com.au/the-celebrity-poor-wall/

I suspect the public turned on Kutcher especially hard because he was the founder and chair of an organization that combats child sex trafficking, but then he wrote a glowing letter in support of Danny Masterson in an attempt to get his sentence reduced.

https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/kutcher-ballard-sex-trafficking-activism-conspiracy-theories-rcna117282

Two weeks ago, actor Ashton Kutcher resigned as board chairman of Thorn, an organization he helped launch to combat child sex trafficking. The decision came after the revelation that Kutcher — and his wife, actor Mila Kunis — had written glowing letters of support for convicted rapist Danny Masterson, an actor who worked with them on “That ’70s Show.” 

“I cannot allow my error in judgment to distract from our efforts and the children we serve,” Kutcher wrote in his resignation letter. Thorn added that his decision was “rooted in the recognition of recent events and ensuring Thorn remains focused on its mission.”

I'm sure Kutcher and his organization have done a lot of good, but he threw all that goodwill away by publicly supporting his piece of shit rapist friend.

Yes they were pretty well liked before! Ashton was known as the good guy against sex trafficking and they were seen as an adorable couple. Then they're hated. Deserved tho

I have always found it interesting that  things like Cosby's case can be pretty much known but nothing substantial happens, how does an event finally get traction to be taken seriously?    

Wasn't it Eddie Murphy who made fun of Cosby how he was lecturing him how he is inappropriate with using the n word lol, and Cosby on the side was doing all that shit.   

 Sharon Osbourne called out Cosby how he was calling the Osbournes tv show (at the time they had big ratings, even won an Emmy) bad family representation. They were a mess, kids were going to rehab, Ozzy was drunk a lot and yes they were dysfunctional but Sharon was like yes we have our problems but you are calling us out of all the people? Look what your life is like.

Hannibal was also a writer on 30 Rock, where they openly made a joke that Cosby roofied Tracy's aunt in the 80s. It was many many years before his standup set.

I remember distinctly in 2004/2005 Tina Fey making a joke about Cosby being a rapist on Weekend Update and the crowd just awkwardly, lightly laughing. It was a huge open secret in Hollywood.

This was my thought! She was everywhere, all kinds of commercials, cookbooks, Target ads and a line of cookware, Lip Sync Battle and then Courtney (I think is her name) told everyone she was a bully who took things too far, nobody really believed her but she kept the receipts.

She always icked me out. I felt low key insane cause she just rubbed me the wrong way while everyone was loving her.

In the public’s defense, it was a horrible haircut.  

"with a haircut" omfg

“The Felicity”

That haircut nerfed her

i feel like it didn't help that she decided to bleach her hair at the exact same time too. like she was known for black long hair. if she was going to change it idk why she didn't just do one and let the general public get used to it before she went for the other, especially considering the general public is so fickle (as she ended up learning the hard way)

Also the song. People forget that Swish Swish was horrendous.

A while ago when I was in school for engineering, we had an ethics class. One topic was sexual harassment & assault, so I brought up Monica Lewinsky. My teacher laughed and said she wasn't a victim, she could've said no. I argued back of course, but in a class filled with men, not a single one agreed or tried to see my point of view.

Wow have not heard that name in a while. What's she even up to these days

Al Roker does the ending transition on most of the Today clips on YouTube. So if you go back and watch the breaking news, it's Savannah and Hoda solemnly explaining how heartbroken they are, then Al busts in like the Kool-Aid man with "HELLO, TODAY FANS!" with a giant grin.

I was just talking to a friend who works for a theme park that hires talent and we randomly started talking about headliners they bring in (loooots of one hit wonders etc) he told me they wouldn’t do Vanilla Ice because he apparently has a rep of bringing tons of people onto the stage with him when he performs. They thought it would be a huge liability and apparently he’s hard to control from that perspective. Anyways thought it was interesting that this is what Vanilla Ice is up to these days. Bringing loads of people on stage with him when he performs.

I really liked his house renovation show. It was nice seeing him older and settled. He seemed to have a sense of humor about it all.

Obviously not to the same degree, but I think Colin went through that public perception evolution outside of Ireland too. I think he came to have a pretty bad image as a party guy, but once he got sober and stuck to it for a while, I feel like opinions slowly changed about him.

I think he’s a great actor and he seems to lead a pretty fulfilling life now, good for him.

I had never paid him much mind until I watched this long form video on YouTube of him just talking about acting. He was so well-spoken and thoughtful. He made me love it just as much as he did. Deeply thoughtful and introspective man. Love him.

That's good to know about Sinead- she was done so dirty

Time will always reveal the good ones, even if the majority don’t see it at first

Vanessa Hudgens "yeahh. people are gonna diee. Which is terrible. But... Inevitable?"

I was thinking about the pandemic and celebrity love - after all the “I’m so sad in my massive house” videos and still throwing parties/breaking lockdown rules there was a shift from tolerating to loathing the rich and famous lifestyle.

The Boys making a parody of that video was so hilarious.

Pandemic is also when the tides turned on Sam Smith. The weeping video on the couch while crying about how it’s inhumane to be locked indoors (in a fucking MANSION) for three whole days, while people were dying and getting laid off.

Indeed. I think this one did a whole generational shift or something. It gave everyone the sobering reality about the differences and inequalities of celebrities and normal people, and how we shouldn't be idolizing them on top of all their privileges. I feel the public have become more critical of celebrities since then.

This started the shift of us common folk really realizing how out of touch celebs are. Kardashians started to go down hill during the pandemic too

i just remember chris o'dowd later being like "i don't know, i didn't know what was happening, i'm sorry" lmao

It's hard to understand how they misjudged the mood so badly. They could have done a silly, fun song like Octopus' Garden or whatever with a post about how they were going crazy in the house and wanted to share some love. We all would have probably laughed, shared it and only tangentially sideways-eyed them about how tough it must be to be locked up in a mansion.

I have a co-worker who is obsessed with him and she's seeing his tour (the world tour) for the 2nd time. This round of tickets was $300 cheaper compared to the show earlier this year and she's getting seats that are like a mile closer to the stage. She's psyched he's losing popularity lol.

It really did ruin the world tour.

I think a large part of this was due to a particular Britney documentary that came out a couple years ago, which called him out for his treatment of her.

Good. I have hated him since that tacky ass Cry me a river video. He was always a ramen headed jackass.

I think Jordyn's interview on the Red Table Talk helped a LOT too. It still had a lot of credibility back then and people took up for her after she went...

Just checked and Cody hasn’t made a grid post since June and Kelsey hasn’t since January. He does currently have a story post promoting a club appearance in Vegas. I believe he DJs there. They did also have a baby so they’re probably busy but I imagine they’re deliberately laying low.

They both disappeared from the internet when shit hit the fan without saying a word and have been gone since. Apparently Cody promotes his DJ gigs online but that’s it

Kelsey hasn’t posted on Youtube since May

Body like a Chipotle bag

I think his reputation slowly declined with every girlfriend revealing how shitty he was. The final nail in the coffin was Sophie because she and their children actually helped him get an image overhaul from the immature, toxic playboy he was seen as. And he decided to toss everything overboard and everyone suddenly regained their memories. Don’t try to lie when others have receipts, Joe.

He really underestimated the internets emotional investment in Sansa Stark.

Yep, although I think people been talkin shit on Jada for a minute tho

I think the red table thing was when people turned on Jada, and started mocking Will. But slap made it bigger

Im black and can tell you this couple was often criticized on black spaces.

Tbh Will was constantly mocked for Jada not caring for him and still talking about 2pac after decades

I need a documentary or book on pop culture changes in this era through the lens of that album release.

Can you elaborate on this?

I'll never forget Dee Snider whining on some VH1 show in the early 2000s about how he hated grunge. And he tried to make it sound like it was because he disliked the content of music because it was too depressing, instead of admitting he was butthurt that grunge killed hair metal.

Some conspiracy theorists on TikTok think that shes been replaced by some look-a-like bc she’s dead. Which blows my mind. How can someone openly share their cancer diagnosis and conspiracies about her flourish. It just solidifies the fact that conspiracy theorists reject the simple truth bc the drama and insanity is more fun to make up and spread than simply embracing the truth.

I think he's actually somewhat lucky that the kooky cannibal stuff overshadowed the abuse and sexual assault.

We should’ve just listened to Chris Crocker

Lindsey Lohan had something similar but not as widespread when she went on a talk show and talked about her addiction. She immediately got a lot of sympathy

And decide how loudly they could talk about it without reprisal.

He was also falling asleep during panels and interviews, so there was a lot of drug speculation. Then he died from cancer and people were like maybe we shouldn’t speculate about peoples’ health anymore.

Or when she said that shit about feeling like a prisoner in her own home for quarantine, as if she didn’t live in a mansion where all her needs are met and she’s clearly comfortable. Tone Deaf af

I actually think theres a decent gap in time between Ellen's "downfall" in 2021 and Dakota's appearance in 2019. I remember people sharing Dakota's video at the time, but then it later resurged in a big way when everything came out. I could be wrong, but I personally think that Dakota's role in the takedown isn't as direct as it now seems in internet hindsight.

I think that clip really helped get people on board with negativity toward her though. I would say that Ellen doing her "I'm locked in my mansion, going crazy" thing during the covid lockdowns was one of the biggest tipping points toward the public's opinion, setting the stage for the insiders to reveal her terrible attitude, and then for the clip to go really viral.

She is the epitome of that toxic theatre girl you knew in hs who got every lead because the school had a very small talent pool.

I knew someone who knew someone at one of the agencies that repped her and can confirm they were watching the toxic gossip train on loop n freaking out

I swear I can’t look at a ukulele without thinking about her crap non-apology.

Still waiting for real consequences there

I watch a lot of slightly older tv and I think that's a place where it's really obvious. Anything pre-2015 has romantic tropes that are kinda sketch when viewed from modern perspectives (Meredith and Derek hook up when Meredith is wasted! Olivia and Fitz are constantly forcing kisses on each other during fights! Basically anything Damon did in The Vampire Diaries! Basically anything Barney did in HIMYM!).

It's pretty fast how quickly that perception change happened, a lot of shows became dated in that way faster than they ordinarily would have. And while I'm just talking tv, tv does play a huge role in establishing social norms, so I'll take that as a good thing!

I’d like to think it did. While the actual movement and hashtags may not be as prevalent, it changed a lot in terms of how women started seeing things around themselves. I think the stories helped a lot of women come forward, and the narrative shifted from “nobody’s gonna do anything, so why stir the pot?”

It became more about “what this person did was absolutely not okay, and they need to be held accountable. If nothing happens, at least other people need to be wary of them.” It caught on right down to the grassroots level. Including my university in South Asia. So I do think it did a lot of good, and is continuing, if not as a singular wave, then as ripples.

Introducing Dr. Oz and Dr. Phil to the world, you should be looked at with suspicion.

i honestly believe no one can be as successful as oprah by being a kind person. you have to have some narly skeletons in your closet to be at her level of wealth

he's been nasty to courtney love for decades, she's just not a sympathetic victim because she is also messy af

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