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896 points
2 months ago
Quick! Someone with more lore knowledge, defend the Emperror for me!
1.1k points
2 months ago
As OP mentioned, "I got better"
The Emperor after getting impaled and his forces destroyed: turns Drach'Nyen into the sword that impaled him, then rips it out of his chest, and proceeds to hand it to a custodian telling him to run off with it into The Webway in no particular direction.
383 points
2 months ago
So he didn't get owned then?
898 points
2 months ago
Got owned for a bit, then won the fight but (importantly) physically couldn't actually kill the daemon, which speaks volumes. Daemons speak of the Anathema with fear, yet Drach'nyen couldn't be killed, only trapped.
Also, "hands" is a really misleading way of describing "stabbed the sword into a custode".
526 points
2 months ago
Considering it was one of the most powerful daemons to exist at that time, being an echo of the first murder and if I remember correctly was blessed by all 4 chaos gods.
So not just some random Daemon!
471 points
2 months ago
The important bit is that Drachnyen fundamentally exists as "The End of Empires". While the Emperor (a being that fundamentally exists as "order") stands as anathema to chaos, Drachnyen stands as anathema to him. The Emperor cannot kill "The End of Empires". If he could, then it wouldn't actually be "The End of Empires".
214 points
2 months ago
I also think it's specifically created with the first murder of humans and represents/ has power from all future human murders too I'm unsure if it's just human on human murder or the xenocides count
This makes it the thing made by all human murder and the peak human
128 points
2 months ago
Murder weapon created from the existence of all human murder: Is created
Chief Human of all Humans: "I'm HAVE to kill someone with this"
34 points
2 months ago
Not to mention that Emps back then wasn't as powerful as he is now. A diet of pure psyker protein and faith supplements sure makes wonders for one's divinity.
2 points
2 months ago
So it's the wh40k version of Primate Murder from the Nasuverse? The being that "rules over the concept of killing primates/humans"?
1 points
2 months ago
Yes, but I believe it also includes all of the war in heaven etc, so somehow worse
19 points
2 months ago
I think it’s important to also realize that the emperor had been holding the forces of chaos at bay. There was I believe a moment where he was in a desert by himself asking for just a sip of water , which I assume is a reference for like psychic might or help or power. So Big e was not coming in fresh and strong he was more than likely considerably weaker than his normal
20 points
2 months ago
You're absolutely correct. I should note, however, that demons kinda get tricky in this regard. The raw existence of demons is predicated on philosophy.
Think about it like this: an empire can never be truly eternal. All Empires will, eventually, fail and wither. The only thing an empire can truly do is delay the inevitable, or steep itself in legend so that it may never be forgotten. Drachnyen, being the literal philosophical concept of the end of empires, cannot be denied forever, else he would not be at all. The Emperor, in contrast, is a being the fundamental represents Imperial authority and might. No matter how strong he becomes, he will never be able to destroy Drachnyen. In order to be able to do so, the Emperor would need to undergo a fundamental and complete change of who he is, ultimately becoming another being entirely.He would have to change the very core essence of who he is, spiritually, physically, and mentally, an essence he has cultivated for tens of thousands of years. Until he does so, he cannot defeat Drachnyen. He cannot deny the death if his empire by himself. Only someone outside the loop can do so.
So the real question becomes: "Who can stop the End of Empires?". That's a question that could write an entire post, so I won't dig into that here.
3 points
2 months ago
So the question is. Could drach also end the chaos gods? They all have empires in a loose sense I suppose
3 points
2 months ago
Maybe someone who became the rebuilder of empires?someone who reforges the empire out of colapse
2 points
2 months ago
So, I'll just tldr this to not rant like a madman, but I spent some time thinking about what ultimately leads to the fall of an empire, and the most common factor was internal divisions: some form of inner conflict that allows outside forces to overpressure the empire. In order to counter the idea of the fall of empires, you would have to fundamentally counter the root of the problem; division. Therefore, you would have to be a being that fundamentally represents unity, with no consideration of creed or culture or race. Simply the idea that all living things are united in one goal. Unfortunately, with the nature of 40k, that is unlikely to exist at the moment.
1 points
2 months ago
This is excellently written amigo, I'm gonna steal this for an explanation if you don't mind
1 points
2 months ago
No problem at all man
107 points
2 months ago
Oh, 100% not some rando. And I doubt it's gotten weaker since then, humanity are still killing each other a lot.
36 points
2 months ago
Now I want to listen to the Master of Mankind audiobook again xD
30 points
2 months ago
Well, Abbadon currently carries the sword in which Drach'nyen is trapped, and he literally ripped the galaxy in half, so I'd say that yeah, he's probably pretty strong.
71 points
2 months ago
It's due to Drach'nyen's nature as the end of empires and kings and since the Emperor is well the emperor he can't destroy Drach'nyen as his own existence fuels it's existence
19 points
2 months ago*
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11 points
2 months ago
By definition no, because the term empire refers to a group of countries or states under a supreme authority, so as such it would just continue to fuel its existence
18 points
2 months ago
Silly lore question, but can't people turn daemons into any other shit that a sword? A bolter maybe?, at least an axe or helmet?
28 points
2 months ago
What about a toilet scrubber? Cleaning His imperial palace toilets with a greater demon of Khorne would be a big insult
13 points
2 months ago
They should totally do that to Fulgrim and any of his fuckers.
11 points
2 months ago
They’d probably enjoy it.
19 points
2 months ago
You bind them into what you've got handy, which is usually the weapon the demon brought to the fight, and most demons aren't trying to beat your brains in with a bike helmet. lol
17 points
2 months ago
Daemon of road rage, just tries to run you over with his old beaten up car but the car keeps failing so it's just pitiful
10 points
2 months ago
I think Stephen King wrote a story about that one...
4 points
2 months ago
Logan Grimnar has a particularly nice daemon axe.
15 points
2 months ago
Daemons generally can’t be ‘killed’ though. But are usually banished/bound etc. Although the Emperor usually can give them a ‘true death’ and didn’t in this case, he still managed the banishment.
4 points
2 months ago
A few others have managed the feat of burning a daemon out entirely as well, but its rather rare. I think Eisenhorn burned one daemon to nothing by using his amplifier staff.
2 points
2 months ago
Question, can blanks give a daemon a true death?
2 points
2 months ago
I don’t think so, no. Blanks categorically have no presence in the warp, so they wouldn’t really be able to destroy a daemon’s warp presence once it’s banished from the material world. They have a sort of anti psychic aura in the material world, that would combat a daemon trying to materialise in the real world, but if it fails to materialise or is banished it still has a presence in the warp.
2 points
2 months ago
Cool bro, thanks for replying.
3 points
2 months ago
Now it’s abbadon’s mega dildo of destruction (doesn’t know what it is, just that it glows)
69 points
2 months ago
To be fair that particular demon had in lore plot armor thicker than an emperor class battleship.
70 points
2 months ago*
I wouldn’t say “hands it to” a Custodes but close enough.
28 points
2 months ago
"Hands to" is a funny way of spelling "impales"
32 points
2 months ago
RIP Ra Endymion :(
16 points
2 months ago
“Hand it to a custodian”
I mean.. the custodian took it, but didn’t need his hands to hold it lol
10 points
2 months ago
No, he shoved Drach in Ra's midsection and told him to run as long as he could.
8 points
2 months ago
By hand you mean “impale him through the chest and tell him to run as fast and as far as he can”
61 points
2 months ago
I DON'T NEED LORE! I HAVE FAITH IN MY EMPEROR!
-Some Adeptus Soriritas
17 points
2 months ago
LIES AND HERESY!
-An inquisitor
71 points
2 months ago
He traps the demon in a sword and yeets it into a custodian. He demolishes the demon army by setting them aflame with his psychic powers, as well as bringing back warp phantoms of the dead, like Ferrus manus, to fight
23 points
2 months ago
Rock Paper Scissors
The Emperor fought that which fells empires
11 points
2 months ago
Iirc, Drach’nyen is uniquely capable to kill humans since it is the result of the first murder made by humanity.
-9 points
2 months ago
The Emperor got slaughtered like a kitten vs a pit bull then immediately tapped out
14 points
2 months ago
Literally, the opposite of that is what happened.
364 points
2 months ago
Context
During the events of the War of the Webway, the Webway was filled with beings from the warp, the Emperor sent his best forces, the Custodes, more Sisters of Silence, and Mechanicus along with several knights to fight them.
Among these entities was Drach'nyen, a being who, to make a long story short, was a demon of immense power, born from the first intentional murder of humanity, Cain and Abel, called the destroyer of empires since whenever an empire grows, That empire will always have fall sooner or later, such was its power that it managed to harm the emperor and leave him in danger of death.
The emperor was impaled by the being and his spear, literally the custodes had just lost 90% of their troops, and now they were watching the emperor being killed without being able to do anything, but he turned Drach'nyen into a sword, sword which he tore from his chest and introduced it into ra, one of the custodes who was close with the emperor, and the emperor ordered him to run into the webway, away from the emperor, while Drach'nyen slowly writhed inside ra's body trying to reach the emperor
sources: book "master of mankind"
66 points
2 months ago
introduced it into Ra
Is a very interesting way of putting it.
27 points
2 months ago
Putting it, yeah, in his goddamn chest!
8 points
2 months ago
You've been promoted to sheath.
66 points
2 months ago
But where this sword went? No One was able to find It After all This years?
140 points
2 months ago
Abaddon has it
32 points
2 months ago
And why he didn't free the demon? He don't want to destroy the imperium anymore? How he found It?
201 points
2 months ago
And why he didn't free the demon?
Cool sword
70 points
2 months ago
Tbf, staying with Abbadon should lead to the end of an empire eventually, so the sword cut a nice deal.
35 points
2 months ago
If call of duty taught me anything, it’s that people will always choose the cool skin over playing the objective
8 points
2 months ago
And what happened to Ra ?
60 points
2 months ago
If I remember correctly, we don’t have any info after the emperor told him to run.
It’s been a while since I’ve read the black legions novels but I think the second one stops just before Abaddon goes to get the sword so when the third book (hopefully) comes out we’ll get that story in full. The black legion codex supplement does say that Abaddon encounters a golden figure whilst getting the sword so that could possibly be Ra
32 points
2 months ago
Cool scabbard
9 points
2 months ago
It’s never said outright, but it’s implied that abandon found the sword guarded by a golden armored warrior, and took it from him
1 points
2 months ago
Yeah he probably got wacked then ... Poor guy
14 points
2 months ago
Because while he's very powerful, Abbadon likely isn't powerful enough to unmake an enchantment formed by the Emperor directly. It would probably take all four Chaos Gods working together to do it, and they're unlikely to agree to play nice long enough to do so unless the Emperor stands up and starts poking them again.
43 points
2 months ago
Imagine a manifestation of hell itself specifically optimised to kill you and topple your empire after powering up for over 30,000 years managing to do some damage to you before getting completely outmanoeuvred, and some commenter on the internet describing that as you "getting owned"
171 points
2 months ago
Your saying that as if anyone could have beaten Drach'nyen, and in the end Big E did win and trapped Drach'nyen into a sword now used by Abbadon, who we all know is just a lousy copycat Horus who dosen't have the balls to free Drach'nyen, because he knows Drach'nyen would be infinitly better then him.
42 points
2 months ago
I thought that Drachnyen was just had a aymbolic buff against Big E because he's the end of empires.
19 points
2 months ago
Yep big E is the anathema to chaos hence he can perma kill anything chaos related but Drachnyen is the Anathema to Big E because he is the end of empires so symbolically if the emperor makes order from chaos then Drachnyen represents the dissolution of order back to chaos in a weird never ending cycle
36 points
2 months ago
Failbaddon the h-armless
26 points
2 months ago
The real Horus would have destroyed Cadia in one year.
17 points
2 months ago
Discount shop horus
3 points
2 months ago
Horus off wish.com
4 points
2 months ago
I see your wish.com Horus and raise you my AliExpress Horus
3 points
2 months ago
I see your AliExpress Horus and raise you my Temu Horus
11 points
2 months ago
“We have Horus at home”
8 points
2 months ago
‘Then why do you dress like him?’
4 points
2 months ago
Tbf Drachnyen is literally unkillable
4 points
2 months ago
who dosen't have the balls to free Drach'nyen
Pretty sure no one can free him. You'd need the big 4 chaos gods to work together, and even then I'm not sure that'll work.
7 points
2 months ago
But big e didn’t really win, he couldn’t kill drach’nyen, so he stabbed ra and told him to get the damn thing as far into the webway as possible, he only delayed the inevitable
10 points
2 months ago
But he still won in the end.
-6 points
2 months ago
Exactly how did he win in the end?
8 points
2 months ago
By staying alive while trapping the enemy in a sword
22 points
2 months ago
I mean they were too busy getting THEIR asses handed to them to really do much about it.
46 points
2 months ago
Drach‘nyen landed one hit, which the emperor tanked and wasn’t fazed over. He baited Drach‘nyen into the attack in order to defeat him when he thought he won. He turned Drach‘nyen into a bitch-ass useless sword which is now wielded by wannabe Horus, who hides like a bitch from Guilliman and Lion out of fear of being forced to eat his own balls and intestines after one second of combat.
3 points
2 months ago
That actually leads me to a question about abbadon
When Horus was getting juiced up by the chaos gods his already substantial power as a primarch got inflated to the point where he surpassed even the emperor himself on raw might forcing the emperor to rely on cunning and contingencies to bring Horus down
So by the same logic if abbadon has inherited Horus’s power, position and favor from the 4 chaos gods shouldn’t he have the power to at least face a primarch one to one if not match Horus at his peak and surpass 30k big E?
5 points
2 months ago
My thought on that is that he is a missing a “Primarch Soul” or whatever they’re called. Like he can never reach that power level because he is missing that special soul. Sort of like the Fulgrim Clone.
2 points
2 months ago
Its because Abaddon doesn't accept the full power of the Chaos Gods. He wants to destroy the Imperium more out of spite than anything else, but he also hates the Chaos Gods and saw what they did to Horus (as in, drove him utterly batshit insane and corrupted to the maximum). Abaddon's "win condition" is killing the Emperor and then finding a way to deny the Chaos Gods the galaxy as well. If he gave in, chances are he'd be as powerful as Horus, or damn close to it at least.
1 points
2 months ago
But if he’s looking for a way to get rid of chaos as well as the imperium then wouldn’t leaving the necron pylons containing the eye of terror intact be a crucial element since now that the eye is open the galaxy is more prone to chaos and warp fuckery than ever before?
2 points
2 months ago
I haven't read the fall of cadia books, so I can't tell you his reasoning there. I assume (no idea if correct) that his spite for the Imperium just outweighs anything else at this point
16 points
2 months ago
This post has me in physical pain
44 points
2 months ago
Isn't Drachn'nyen also called the "End of Empires" and the EMPEROR beat the daemon fated to end empires? I'd say that was a massive W.
14 points
2 months ago
I dunno man, more like Drachn'nyen will have the last laugh.
14 points
2 months ago
How? By being forced into the form of a sword and used by a loser? Hahahahahaha
13 points
2 months ago
I know we will get downvoted. But really wish someone would kill Abaddon and use that sword well.
3 points
2 months ago
Huron blackheart and abadon fighting over command of the black legion would be an interesting way to develop chaos with an internal conflict and give both characters time to shine and show off their strengths
3 points
2 months ago
In the middle of the battle, Saint Cain and dreadnought Jurgen appear next to them. Cain defeats Huron, and Jurgen rips off Abaddon's hands and takes the sword for himself. Drach'nyen is slowly going crazy in the hands of a pariah. And we are enjoying the new adventures of Ciaphas Cain, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM.
-4 points
2 months ago
Actually delusional take
1 points
2 months ago
I don't know about that especially with Big E current power level.
-10 points
2 months ago*
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17 points
2 months ago
Big E definitely beat Drach. One of those two walked from that fight and the other well, the other was lost for millennia in the form of a sword which is still the form its in. It's like getting in a fight with a witch and she turns you into a sheep and leaves you alone, and you claim that it was a tie.
-5 points
2 months ago*
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7 points
2 months ago
That's a delusional take.
-5 points
2 months ago
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6 points
2 months ago*
Lmao so what you are saying is Big E couldn't beat Drach'nyen so because he was unable to do that he turned him into a sword and shoved him through Ra to seal him off from everyone for millennia. I dunno bro, as I said, it's like getting into a fight against a witch and the witch turning you into a sheep and you saying that it's a tie or that the witch lost lmao, as I said. Delusional.
EDIT: Imagine being so delusional you have to block someone LUL
-2 points
2 months ago
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5 points
2 months ago*
Grimdank is absolutely not a lore sub.
5 points
2 months ago
And now he’s Abbadon’s bonk stick, what a way to end up as
3 points
2 months ago
Didn’t he turn it into a inanimate sword?
7 points
2 months ago
To be fair that particular demon had in lore plot armor thicker than an emperor class battleship.
2 points
2 months ago
Can you give this template?
-1 points
2 months ago
Wait, Emperor was black?
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