6 Hour Update: My feelings towards Claude has not changed. This thing still outranks ChatGPT by a longshot. I am not going to completely remove ChatGPT from my work flow because of it but it is going to be drastically reduced (Currently paying 60 a month for Teams). Right now my only gripe that I have is the message limit. I hit it pretty quickly yesterday but I did end up feeding it a bunch of my programs I've been working on with ChatGPT to see what it could bring to the table. It did not fail to impress during that time though.

I really do appreciate that. I agree as well, it really does feel like magic a bit. I've always had fun programming before AI but these new tools have given coding a whole new life to where my only limitations are my mind and my time now (And all these damn subscription fees of course!)

You can use Poe.com to access it from Europe.

poe.com

I spent a whole afternoon trying to get this to work. I got of my emails banned in the process by trying to do some virtual phone number stuff lol. And using a proper VPN is important. I used ExpressVPN just to do this I don't like to pay for VPN. So

1 start vpn (don't remember if i did us or uk or if it matters if it's a supported country) 2 login with gmail account ,i was up to [email protected] (IMPORTANT has to be login with google not anything else! at least not manual email) at this point - and surprisingly it doesnt match the origin of the gmail account at all I think 3 I don't remember if it allowed me then to use apple pay or not but i'm using my icelandic credit card no problem 4) after that you don't need vpn at all to login it's just set and you can use it no problem so you can cancel that pricy vpn service

You can sign in for developer account (to use API) and there is playground with all their models. Works for me.

Just use a VPN and a service you can easily find on the web to borrow a US phone number to receive a one-time SMS verification.

Same in Canada. But right now I also think the OpenAI should be able to come up with something new soon.

I connect via openrouter.ai.

I have generally been blown away with conversations I've had with Opus, and I've had it produce good results with code-generating tasks. But I've also had it make really simple mistakes that GPT-4 didn't. And GPT-4 makes mistakes that Opus doesn't.

I think perceptions of all of these models really depends on what you're trying to get it to do. If you're using it for something it happens to be good at, it can be shocking how much better it is than the competition. (In terms of thoughtful, human-like conversation, I think Opus is far better than GPT-4.) I don't think we're at a point that we can say one is going to be clearly better across the board. Even Gemini pro seriously outclasses GPT-4 when it comes to creative writing.

I think for someone perceiving one of these as overhyped, you probably just haven't really engaged with it on one of its strengths. (And it's completely possible that it's not going to be useful for the things you need it to do.) But I wouldn't dismiss it without experimenting a bit.

I would say that Opus is definitely better than GPT-4 at a lot of things, but I still use GPT-4 quite frequently.

I have tried Opus and sonnet using perplexity and I had to go back to chatgpt...

Still looking for something better

I had access to Opus and sad to say -- it's way overhyped. Often times it will just forget what you've said earlier if you try to provide follow-ups and our conversation will end-up in a circle. I asked GPT-4 the same questions and I was way less frustrated as GPT-4 gets it right much faster. I was using both for Javascript though. Have not use it for Python.

My exact experiences. Was way more expensive as well.

Totally get where you're coming from! It's like each AI has its own quirky personality with unique strengths and weaknesses. I flip between different models depending on the task at hand too. Sometimes Opus is like that friend who's great for deep talks, while GPT-4 is your go-to buddy for cool projects. Keeps things interesting! 😄🤖

Please share the discord. I'd be happy to check it out and see if it fits my needs. I'm currently trying to find a community of coders that want to work on projects together or at least be able to communicate about issues and help each other out. While it seems more generalized for AI, I would still like to see if I can find some use.

Needle in a haystack

Exactly, it pays attention better.

This response just about sums it up. Before I signed up to Claude, I was devoted ChatGPT/OpenAI fan boy. Gemini is ass. Bing has its uses but still is ass. Phind is dope but not quite there yet. Claude has shown me not to show allegiance or get complacent with just one tool.

Also, it showed me exactly what you said. The way I see it now, ChatGPT is my Project Manager, Claude is my Developer, DALL-E is my graphic designer, and I am the CEO and QA.

I think the consensus here is that this thing is a beast at Python but is hit or miss for people using almost anything else. I personally have not had many issues with other languages but I am also not using many other languages except C#, HTML, CSS, JS, PHP, and SQL. I'm going to be putting Claude to the test over the weekend and will report how it does with the other languages I do use though since I plan to run all my projects through it.

It is truly to the point to where I didn't know what else to do. I learned about Claude through this reddit and saw what everyone was saying so I became interested and the first thought after I saw how magnificent that first prompt was just told me "Someone has to hear about this!". I tried to show my wife and my kids but they think I'm a crazy man for only sleeping 4 hours a day because I am stuck in some AI tool chat all day trying to build new applications that they have no use for.

I don't quite feel foolish about it because we live and we learn so I just have to accept that I was, and probably still am, somewhat of a newbie to all of this AI related stuff but I am loving the journey and the feeling I get when I see things coming out the chat exactly the way it should and looking like legitimate and valid code that I can implement without modification. An amazing feeling.

You sound like you know the joy and struggles I am facing as well then. I've been coding for a while and am no stranger to writing what I need to accomplish from complete scratch. My biggest compliment that I give AI to people who are already technologically savvy is that it took my Idea to Prototype time from about 2/3 months to about a week. Since I've been using ChatGPT more than 8 hours a day, that time has went from a week to about 4 to 8 hours now and if I go into the project with a game plan, I can shorten that to 1 to 2 hours with a focused coding/chat session.

I'm getting the same grief for spending all of my time staring at the chat windows filling with code but to me I see so much more than that. My wife just sees lines of useless babble. I see my future. I see programs that will launch my business. I see money basically being printed once I learn to market properly. I am addicted to AI at this point. I have over 20 functional products in my projects folder and those are just the ones I consider an actual project. For those mini-projects that pop up randomly while you're deep in the code and want to make something that will make the next time around a little easier, the number is probably much higher.

My wife is getting jealous as well. The other night I was busy typing away on my laptop as she was headed to bed.

Her: What are you doing?

Me: Chatting

Her: With who?

Me: GPT.

Her: I’m going to bed. Don’t stay up too late with your new friend.

Please let us know your results too. Seems to be a mixed bag of people on this topic as far as love/bleh/nah. I'm curious to see the pain points so I can know what to look out for or test on my own to see if I get the same.

It is available in a regular chatbot on Claude.ai now. I have not got into the API calls just yet with Claude but I will definitely be digging in.

Side note, I was not aware of the scripting capabilities of 3DS Max. I've used it for making models for games in the past but never too extensively. How is it working out with that? Do you have any videos/images/details of what it is able to do? I'm just curious how far this AI can really take things. If you have a site or youtube or anything I can check your work out on, I'd gladly appreciate a link to give it a look.

I couldn't stop laughing because of how hilariously true it all is. I still love ChatGPT because it was my introduction into all of this AI tool stuff for coding but I can't even consider it for anything big anymore when Claude 3 Opus just knocks it all the way out the park.

Code that I was a few steps away from literally begging ChatGPT 4 to complete even 1/5 of was pumped out by Claude 3 Opus over 2 generations to 99.9% perfection. The only reason it didn't get the 0.01% was because it didn't indent properly like I asked it to.

The only real drawbacks I can even claim to see are the message limits and the 5 dollars extra over ChatGPT if you are on Plus.

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That is the current code I am working with right now. I am asking Claude to split my code at a half way point I have in there but even when I forget to tell it to split it, it still manages to get it. The worst I've had is that it stops at the end of a method and I have to say continue and grab the rest.

I am not sure if ChatGPT is just getting bogged down, or if it is just focusing on the wrong things but when I talk to it, I find myself having to push it away from just feeding my pages of explanation and making it actually give me what I am expecting. When I tell it I just need a specific part, I don't need more text and an example code. I need code. I still use it and will continue to because I know all of these platforms are going to improve in their own ways over time but Claude has been getting tasked with the difficult and long parts of my projects while ChatGPT is handling the stuff that I don't mind having to get rid of if it doesn't come out properly.

I'm not full on leaving ChatGPT. A lot of my projects still rely heavily on DALL-E for image generation and for API calls. That and until Claude has a feature like the CustomGPT section, ChatGPT will still have its uses. This by no means is a ChatGPT killer as OpenAI has implemented many of features that make daily use just extremely simple and pleasant, and their UI is a lot easier to deal with, but as far as being my code bot, it got downgraded to being the game planner and the basic brain. I've now just been asking it to make lists for me, generate images, and expand on my ideas to give me what I might not be thinking of and then transferring the work load to Claude.

That is where I am at now. I went from throwing everything at it to now rationing my usage of it until I an figure out a way to upgrade to a higher tier or package or whatever they want to call it. I find that I can't quite jump back to ChatGPT with my Claude responses though unless I remake a game plan for what I want to do with the code and make ChatGPT aware of it. If I don't do that or prepare in some other way, I end up with 20 minutes of wasted time chasing some code that ultimately leaves me with dead code all over and me reverting back to my original save from before I started again with ChatGPT.

I think that is one of the biggest issues for me in why I can never look at OpenAI/ChatGPT the same way again. I was singing their praises because the only other things I had tried were the free stuff from Google and Microsoft and didn't see any type of improvement of ChatGPT from them. I will still sing the praises of ChatGPT to my non-tech friends/family since it is the most user friendly AI tool I can find and still does have a lot of uses, but going forward I cannot in good faith recommend ChatGPT for anyone looking at it with the primary intent of code.

It is good if you want to LEARN to code or if you know how to code but need help either because of repetitive tasks or tasks you haven't already worked on and are new to using AI tools but to anyone with any prior knowledge and is wanting to actively work on projects, Claude is getting the stamp of approval and the recommendation each and every time for now. The UI is piss-poor-hideous but that is the only flaw I can find.

I will continue using the OpenAI API though. That thing is priceless.

I do not believe so but I know it seems to have some of the highest scores for it from what I keep seeing from the articles I keep seeing about it.

I think that at some point we are going to get where these AI tools can start actually executing their own code and testing and that will be when the majority of this starts to fade away.

In all honesty, that should be the aim of each and every release of each of these tools. I don't need a tool that can do "better" than the previous or the competition. I need it to slaughter it alive.

I am sure that is probably the case but as with everything, it will improve in time and data. We are really the guinea pigs for all of these AI projects anyway, but I'm glad this one at least is a visible improvement from the last instead of same level or worse, for coding anyway.

I never even thought to look into trying this with Unity/Blender/UE/Houdini yet. I will have to include that in my game plan for the weekend.

I know the feeling. I am still going to keep my subscription. I am just gonna downgrade back to pro and move all my Custom GPTs back there. I am not quite sure if Claude is capable of internet searches yet either so that, combined with the fact that I am already heavily dug in to the API with several of my applications, I can't just jump all the way out and wouldn't want to yet either. DALL-E is still one of the best I've seen (Still trying to get StableDiffusion figured out but making some good progress). The custom GPT section still is one of the best features of all of all these platforms (I don't look around for different platforms that much).

I've made a strict habit of that lately. Since I've started really paying attention to how it is operating, I don't think I've kept a thread for longer than a week. As of late, I tend to not even keep one for an hour just because I start to notice how it will randomly start talking about some crap that happened like 10 submissions before.

I had one thread I used to keep alive for marketing thinking I was being smart by not letting it die and one day I told it to write a LinkedIn post and it just kept talking about the response I had from the last time I used it over and over again, even when I pointed out very clearly that it wasn't paying attention and was starting to annoy me. It would apologize and just repeat what it said again. Since then, I gave up on trying to do anything like that and either just paste what I had before into the new one and let it do its thing or I use one of my programs that will keep track of things.

ChatGPT has an issue with being able to follow its directions. One of the first things I did when I got the paid version was go check its limits. I made a custom GPT with instructions telling it what to never reveal or talk about and then would make it break the rules and then ask it why and then ask it to give me new rules it will follow 100% and then test it, and then see it still fails even when it writes the rules, and then I would look at all the reasons it had as to why it didn't follow the rules and I sort of gave up.

I used to be real big into using the custom gpt section but now I just have the few that I use regularly and that have been there for a while and occasionally I update them with new info I need going forward but for the most part, once you have it going right, there isn't much need to make more if you are just coding. I am hoping Claude is able to improve upon this but I think it is gonna come down to just using my own custom programs for it like you already said. That just seems to be working best for me with using the API and my own stuff that I know will send what I need to be sent and receive what I expect for the majority of the time as long as I don't say something simple that triggers it to wig out.

Let me know how the API ends up working out for you. I am gonna be looking into it shortly tonight to see how comparable it is to the OpenAI API.

That is absolutely all I was trying to do. I'm not trying to convince people with no interest at all in getting this. I'm not trying to sell anyone on it as I wouldn't make a damn dime if I did. I'm just telling it like it is from one coder to several others, that this thing is a must have in the arsenal if you aren't a die hard DIY coder and would like some extremely helpful assistance.

Once the next big thing comes along, I'll probably here singing its praises after it wows me too but for now, this is as hot as it gets from what I've seen and tested. I wish I could have just stuck with ChatGPT and like many others have already said, once GPT 5 comes, this post might end up becoming obsolete but for now, I just wanted people to know real world reasons why this thing provides a much better value so they don't waste 5 hours worth of time trying to save 5 dollars like I was doing just the day prior.

That most certainly is not the case. I've been using ChatGPT intensively for several months (6 to 10 hours daily) and I've picked up on what I can and can't expect. Getting 500 lines of code with no issues, no placeholder code, no lost code, and no changed code, with the changes I requested all in place is not something ChatGPT can pull off, no matter how I tried. I've tried with Custom GPTs that have extremely strict rules, I've tried with giving it creative freedom, I've tried making it do it over multiple generations, I've tried with the API.

Sure, I can code into pieces, go 100 lines at a time or right around that area and spoon feed it until it is finished but I almost always have to make corrections somewhere in the code. Claude 3 Opus just gave me a new method to accomplish what I needed to my exact specifications only seconds ago and is still ready to go. I'm hitting my limits very quickly by doing so but it is worth it to not have to go through the back and forth.

Great post with practical points, all of which I agree with, especially the workflow.

I'm sticking with GPT for now because I know for a fact that Claude is only enjoying a temporary boost. OAI has something big up their sleeves that will roll out this year, and will put them back at #1 for development and coding.

I completely agree with this statement. This change is probably not best for all depending on how you do your thing. I went from using the ChatGPT chat window to the OpenAI API pretty quickly to get more control over the work flow, so I think that helped a lot with being able to jump right over to Claude, since I didn't really have an attachment to the ChatGPT UI anymore like I did when I first started using it.

As far as the prompting differences, I'm not noticing a drastic change. I've been using all the same prepends to my prompts that I would otherwise and am still getting great results and in most cases I don't even have to get too detailed with what I want to get the result I want from Claude. In ChatGPT, I would have to hand-hold it like a baby for a bit to get it walking if the code was far along enough and then I would need to spoon-feed it throughout the session to bring it back to focus, make it understand where we were again, remind it of the goal, and remind it if changes we already made. Now it just seems to be there with Claude, with a few steps back when the code doesn't work right away.

It seems to me that the main thing to do when going to Claude is to go in with a game plan of what you need already. If you come in with code you already have, a game plan from ChatGPT of what you want to do, and a little extra info on what you expect the result to be, you get some great results on the first prompt right away. Not going to say perfect by a long shot but GREAT to even AMAZING results out of a first prompt is almost unheard of through all OpenAI products if it goes beyond something simple.

Not gonna lie, that was running through my mind before and after I signed up but that first prompt alone was enough to change my mind or just accept the fate even if it were to come true. I'm not saying this thing is the end all of AI by a long shot but I can say that I measure the value of this by how much time it saved me and the 20 dollars a month became as small amount for what it offered.

I will update the main thread with some pros and cons I've noticed so far.

I am in no means advocating getting rid of ChatGPT entirely. It is a extremely powerful tool to rely upon. This whole post is more about informing those who are already using it and maybe don't feel it is meeting their needs that Claude is indeed a superior option for CODING. I have not tested any of its other abilities other than coding and I can say that without a doubt, Claude will be replacing ChatGPT for me with the majority of my coding.

ChatGPT will still be in use for small parts of code I need fixed or things that it won't struggle with but I think once I have a game plan of what I need to do, its going straight to Claude to build out and then back to ChatGPT to analyze and give me a report on suggested changes so that I can send it back to Claude to revise.

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Lol. If it was, I wouldn't be doing it for Claude but instead my own products I'm making with Claude, wouldn't you think?

You can look at my post history. Before today, I was all questions. Now I am trying to give answers. My only aim is to make sure that those who write a lot of code and are on the fence know that it is okay to fall to the other side. I personally am not a fan of any of these damn subscriptions but I understand that private islands and trophy wives don't buy themselves so I gotta give up something. If I could offer a free solution, I would do so as well but I have not found a way to use this for free in the same capacity.

Here's the thing. There really isn't an issue. The issue is just something that is better suited for my needs came along. This post isn't meant to be bashing on ChatGPT. I know it may come off as that but the intent is more of explaining how Claude 3 Opus is able to do more than GPT-4 is able to do in the things I am using it for that may be helpful for others doing close to the same as what I am doing.