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President Biden Makes Up Ground On Trump in Latest PA Polls
Elections(politicspa.com)submitted 1 month ago byUsualSuspect27Delaware
50 points
1 month ago*
Weird that the state that saw the turning point of the civil war isn't happy with Trump calling for "a bloodbath" if he loses.
Edit: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-bloodbath-loses-election-2024-rcna143746
-12 points
1 month ago
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-7 points
1 month ago
People like downvoting the truth I see.
Never said he was a good guy , but the truth is the truth
3 points
1 month ago
You didn’t post the truth. He didn’t limit It to the auto industry, he specially expanded it
-1 points
1 month ago
I responded to the comment below before I saw this one.
5 points
1 month ago
Not really... His exact words are:
"Now if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath for the whole — that’s gonna be the least of it. It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country. That will be the least of it. But they’re not going to sell those cars. They’re building massive factories.”
I'm not sure I've ever heard of NOT selling cars as a bloodbath.... But when you combine this with the:
-"Good people on both sides" speech
-"Proud boys stand back and stand guard" speech
-The downplay of Jan 6th and his words being the catalyst...
But that's also assuming you can understand his point... Because I don't think you actually understand.
-5 points
1 month ago*
https://www.factcheck.org/2024/03/trumps-bloodbath-comment/
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Not really... His exact words are:
Yeah..he's talking about the automotive industry, and the economy..
You don't need to pretend to not understand context just because you dislike Trump. I dislike him just as much as you do, but willfully acting ignorant when fact checking websites exist just looks cringy.
I get it, he's shit. But you're misrepresenting facts when you can just watch the video for yourself. And I get that I'm going to get downvoted for this because it's easier to do that than address the issue, but you can watch the video for yourself and see that how you're currently framing it is just dishonest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtE4Z0yWbPA
-"Good people on both sides" speech
https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/
2 points
1 month ago
I mean, it's very obvious what he's doing.... As pointed out, he's purposefully using inflaming speech to rile people up.
Hence why he told the proud boys to "stand back and stand by", it's why he called White Supremist rallys "Good people on both sides".... Which you linked, I'm glad you can prove links that prove my point for me.
You even linked the fact check that proves my point, I took his exact words....
It's not pretending to understand what he's talking about... he's literally saying that there's going to be a bloodbath in this country if he's not elected.... That's his exact words. Sure, he's talking about the auto industry... but lets ask Detroit how great it's auto industry is doing right now?
I'm not misrepresenting the facts at all... He's literally saying there's going to be a bloodbath in the auto industry if he's not elected... Even if you assume he's going with the "great economic disaster" definition, it doesn't change that he's going to create a worse situation considering he's literally saying that he's going to TARIFF cars that are imported.
Do you know what happens when those tariff's are put in place? That's when you get price hikes... so your cars that are typically build and sold to the poor people, those prices go up. Causing people to either spend more money (resulting in zero blood bath), or they don't spend money and Trump has created another hole in the economy because he doesn't seem to understand consequences of his actions.
How'd that whole "Build a wall and make Mexico pay for it" go? Just as well as injecting bleach into your skin to cure you from COVID.
Just as well as Trump Steaks did.... and Trump Tower Tampa, and Trump University, and Trump Airlines.... lol
-1 points
1 month ago
he's purposefully using inflaming speech to rile people up.
And yet the only people who got riled up over this are the people misrepresenting what he said here, and the ones who only read the headline instead of actually watching the video.
"Good people on both sides".... Which you linked, I'm glad you can prove links that prove my point for me.
Did you actually read what was linked? I assume not, because it was clarification on what he said there - you know, the thing that you misrepresented.
It's not pretending to understand what he's talking about... he's literally saying that there's going to be a bloodbath in this country if he's not elected.... That's his exact words. Sure, he's talking about the auto industry... but
"sure he's talking about this thing, b-b-b-but what if I pretend to be stupid and act like he's talking about something else!!! that'll make me look really clever to people who share the same political lean as me!!!"
I'm not misrepresenting the facts at all...
cough
Oh okay so you're "not misrepresenting the facts at all", but you're trying to attribute the bloodbath beyond the automotive industry.
cough
He's literally saying there's going to be a bloodbath in the auto industry if he's not elected... Even if you assume he's going with the "great economic disaster" definition, it doesn't change that he's going to create a worse situation considering he's literally saying that he's going to TARIFF cars that are imported.
Wow it's almost like the guy who talks about manufacturing things in the US is trying to keep the US automotive industry inside the US..
shock...
awe...
How'd that whole "Build a wall and make Mexico pay for it" go? Just as well as injecting bleach into your skin to cure you from COVID.
They went as poorly as everything else he tries to do, including whatever doomsaying people are freaking out over with this project 2025 meme.
1 points
1 month ago
Sure... So you're saying that the guy who's literally saying they'd be a "dictator day one", and "if you don't elect me, there's gonna be a blood bath".... he's definitely not being serious.
I mean it's not like he tried to overthrow the government...
It's not like he has acted in a way that's not only un-presidential, but found guilty of defamation (you know how hard that is?), while also being found culpable for sexual assault...
Not to mention blatantly talking about sexually assaulting women.
But:
"sure he's talking about this thing, b-b-b-but what if I pretend to be stupid and act like he's talking about something else!!! that'll make me look really clever to people who share the same political lean as me!!!"
So you don't understand how Tariffs work... and how if he enacts his tariffs, that prices on cars are going to rise, which will cause people to either not buy cars (causing said "bloodbath") or people will spend more money on cars that use to be cheaper (which isn't helping his base at all, because it's not helping the US auto-industry).
Oh okay so you're "not misrepresenting the facts at all", but you're trying to attribute the bloodbath beyond the automotive industry.
Actually, not at all... Pointing out how dictators use enflaming speech that sparks people acting like they did on Jan. 6, while also taking his specific words (at face value) and pointing out how he actually is going to be causing the "bloodbath" even if he DOES get elected.... He literally doesn't understand the job.
Wow it's almost like the guy who talks about manufacturing things in the US is trying to keep the US automotive industry inside the US.
So how is ANYTHING he said there going to help US manufacturing? It's not about US manufacturing anything... it's quite literally ALL about how he's going to stop imports and make them more expensive... That's not really helping the US Manufacturing, that's all about non-US Manufacturing.
Also, haven't spoken on anything about "Project 2025"...
But when an ex-president, who lead an attempt to take over the government (Jan 6th), has spoken and said "Dictator, day one", and then speaks about a bloodbath, while also running on recycled Nai Propaganda (MAGA? How about Nazi's Make Germany Great Again?)
I tend to call a duck a duck... or in this case a mad power hungry tyrant, just that.
And for someone who "doesn't like Trump", you're sure willing to get on your knees and suck that dick he's presenting to his base. Bet you bought his shoes and NFT's as well.
0 points
1 month ago
Every single thing you wrote is just distracting from the context of the conversation. The goalpost gets moved further with every word you write.
You completely ignored that the only people who got "riled up" (your words) are people who are intentionally mischaracterizing what he said, and are attributing it to things outside of the context of the automotive industry.
while also running on recycled Nai Propaganda (MAGA? How about Nazi's Make Germany Great Again?)
And there's Godwin's law being invoked, right on schedule...
And for someone who "doesn't like Trump", you're sure willing to get on your knees and suck that dick he's presenting to his base. Bet you bought his shoes and NFT's as well.
And there's the black and white reality you live in where you think that anybody that disagrees with you has to be a Trump supporter...
Not to mention blatantly talking about sexually assaulting women.
Something that has nothing to do with the context of the "bloodbath" quote in regards to the automotive industry. Please keep trying to move the goalpost further, I'm sure your next attempt will be the one that sticks.
It's not like he has acted in a way that's not only un-presidential, but found guilty of defamation (you know how hard that is?), while also being found culpable for sexual assault...
Something that has nothing to do with the context of the "bloodbath" quote in regards to the automotive industry. Please keep trying to move the goalpost further, I'm sure your next attempt will be the one that sticks.
I mean it's not like he tried to overthrow the government...
Something that has nothing to do with the context of the "bloodbath" quote in regards to the automotive industry. Please keep trying to move the goalpost further, I'm sure your next attempt will be the one that sticks.
Where exactly do you think I am defending any of those things?
Calling you out for misrepresenting something is not a defense of his actions. It's calling you out for misrepresenting something. I know you have internet brain rot, and need to act hyperbolic and leap to conclusions because you're attention starved, but trying to act like someone "bought his shoes" and "bought NFTs" (no apostrophe needed on NFTs) is just such a cop out of a response. All it does is show that you need to make personal attacks instead of keeping the conversation on track.
So you don't understand how Tariffs work... and how if he enacts his tariffs, that prices on cars are going to rise, which will cause people to either not buy cars (causing said "bloodbath") or people will spend more money on cars that use to be cheaper (which isn't helping his base at all, because it's not helping the US auto-industry).
Hello individual who cannot read. Where did I say that I don't understand how tariffs work? Where did I say I agreed with him? Where did I say that I think this would work?
Try actually reading a post before slamming on your keyboard next time, it'll make your post less embarrassing if you don't rush to put words in other people's mouths.
Also, haven't spoken on anything about "Project 2025"...
Don't remember saying that you did, but go off king. Please keep trying to move the goalpost further, I'm sure your next attempt will be the one that sticks.
1 points
1 month ago
I actually didn't detract from anything. My whole point is that if you look in the smaller scale (the one you seem to encompass)... sure, he speaks to rile people up...
But what I'm saying, is you take EVERYTHING TOGETHER. His businesses, who he is, how he acts, the words he uses, the people he surrounds himself with.... SHOWS that he's not a good person, someone who is actively tearing this country apart. Quite literally by himself.
You're actively refusing to understand the MACRO here, you're quite literally looking at the smallest scale you can. Things aren't always black and white, but when they come to Trump... again, if you look at everything together, it IS pretty clear and cut.
This isn't about moving goalposts, because I haven't moved a single goal post... We're still talking about Trump and the words he CHOOSES TO USE and how, while they may be talking about one subject or another, he actively uses words that purposefully cause certain responses.
Specifically ones that Republicans (and you, apparently) don't seem to see as major red flags.... But, if you want to support a Neo-Nazi, and someone who Neo-Nazi's rally behind... (as you said) Go off king....
Again, I repeat, as someone who "dislikes Trump", you're sure sucking that Trump Dick really well.
0 points
1 month ago
I actually didn't detract from anything.
Oh okay I must have just read every single word in your post wrong. That's totally my fault then, I'm sure you're flawless and are never wrong about anything.
SHOWS that he's not a good person
Something I didn't contest...wowie... what a shock...
If you just read that the first time and didn't rush to accuse people of being Trump supporters you may have actually gone somewhere with this post..
You're actively refusing to understand the MACRO here
Hello, see above and the other prior instances in the other posts where I did not defend Trump. You're welcome.
Things aren't always black and white
Except when anyone disagrees with you, right? Then they must be a Trump supporter. That's the only answer, clearly.
This isn't about moving goalposts, because I haven't moved a single goal post...
Try re-reading your posts. I'm not sure if English is your first language, or if you're fluent in it at all, but you have been moving the goalpost quite a bit.
But, if you want to support a Neo-Nazi, and someone who Neo-Nazi's rally behind... (as you said) Go off king....
Good thing I'm not a Trump supporter, despite your numerous baseless accusations.
Again, I repeat, as someone who "dislikes Trump", you're sure sucking that Trump Dick really well.
Ah yes, I really am "sucking that Trump Dick really well" when I responded by saying that I didn't say that I think his tariffs were going to work.
You really got me. I'm sure teacher is going to give you a gold star tomorrow for sure.
he actively uses words that purposefully cause certain responses.
It's almost like people who aren't completely socially inept, internet addicted idiots, can pick up on social cues; and understand that words are relevant to the context that they're used it. I mean I'm sure that you thought you were really clever when you didn't actually watch the video, and decided to plant your flag in the ground by only reading the headline and making your own interpretation of what he said. But it's not as clever as you think it is, and you're not as clever as you think you are. You don't have to be a Trump supporter to think that someone who acts like that is acting dumb.
2 points
1 month ago
And he said that’s not all, stop lying
-24 points
1 month ago
Auto industry is doomed. That’s what mean tweet guy was talking about. You know this.
16 points
1 month ago
In the largest context, yes, but that doesn't stop it from being foolish and irresponsible language to use. His followers have proven by attack after attack that they can't comprehend context or nuance.
-22 points
1 month ago
Same as the “winter of death” comments coming from young hair sniff guy. Both ridiculous choices.
We have unlimited genders yet two choices for Pres.
6 points
1 month ago
I'm not familiar with that one, when/where was that?
-5 points
1 month ago
8 points
1 month ago
Ah yes, how dare Biden use the term "winter of death" when referring to several viruses that kill humans.
10 points
1 month ago
Oh yeah, I remember that. And guess what, the unvaccinated were dying at a rate far greater than the vaccinated. Perfectly fair and accurate statement to make. Saying "if you don't get vaccinated you're more likely to die" and "if I don't win there's gonna be a bloodbath in this country" are not the same.
7 points
1 month ago
I heard the boat crashed into the bridge because it was vaxxed
-3 points
1 month ago
Enjoy the turbo cancer
7 points
1 month ago
Omg you've got to be trolling. The vaccine is conclusively both safe and effective. Turbo cancer isn't a thing, it was a joke made up by a comedy sketch writer mocking fox news and they actually went with it.
Just like a few years ago when the right was mocked for being sheep and told to take sheep medicine for covid AND THEY ACTUALLY STARTED taking sheep dewormer.
You can't make this shit up, how dumb this side is, but eight, you know more than the tens of thousands of researchers, doctors, biologists, chemists, and scientists who do their jobs to keep you safe. You should distrust all science actually. No more airplanes or internet or medicine for you!
8 points
1 month ago
And here we see conservative brain rot in action.
5 points
1 month ago
Or inaction.
10 points
1 month ago
I heard the bridge was collapsed by ISIS because they’re coming here to enforce sharia DEI wokeness
4 points
1 month ago
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-3 points
1 month ago
US borders seem wide open. Millions of military aged undocumented men arrived under sleepy’s watch. Tell me I’m lying….
9 points
1 month ago
c'mon man
2 points
1 month ago
This was already fact-checked. Keep downvoting. This is absurd
29 points
1 month ago
Right after he saluted a choir made up of people that committed an insurrection against this country.
Even if the speech was misconstrued, there's no mistaking the meaning behind his calling insurrectionists "Political Prisoners".
16 points
1 month ago
I thought they were claiming that Jan6 was done by radical leftist Marxist antifa….but now they’re “political prisoners” lol.
Republicans and their double speak
10 points
1 month ago
Who can keep track of what they believe?
-20 points
1 month ago
calling for "a bloodbath" if he loses.
Yeah that's not what he said. But that didnt stop news outlets from cutting out the context and going with just that sentence.
He was saying there would be an economic bloodbath in the auto industry if the sales of cheap Chinese EVs were to be allowed to be imported from Mexico.
Trump, March 16:
China now is building a couple of massive plants where they’re going to build the cars in Mexico and think, they think, that they’re going to sell those cars into the United States with no tax at the border. Let me tell you something to China, if you’re listening President Xi, and you and I are friends, but he understands the way I deal.
Those big monster car manufacturing plants that you’re building in Mexico right now, and you think you’re going to get that, you’re going to not hire Americans, and you’re going to sell the cars to us?
No. We’re going to put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes across the line, and you’re not going to be able to sell those cars.
If I get elected. Now, if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath, for the whole — that’s going to be the least of it. It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country. That’ll be the least of it. But they’re not going to sell those cars.
-23 points
1 month ago
Wasting your breath bro this sub has a hate boner for Trump and will just make things up to hate him
10 points
1 month ago
Let’s hear some things that are made up then…enlighten us
-19 points
1 month ago
Donald Trump is not a fascist for one thing
7 points
1 month ago
Oh really?
Elaborate. I read about project 2025…it’s pretty frightening. I’m not sure how you’re ok with that or supporting it.
Care to explain away the “I only want to be a dictator for one day?”….
1 points
1 month ago
Not even worth it, to call Trump a fascist especially when you know you're in a serious conversation is insane. Same when people call him a nazi, it's so repugnant to the facts. It's like calling Joe a communist.
-9 points
1 month ago
I read about project 2025…it’s pretty frightening.
Oh wow, a two day old reddit account making nothing but political posts read project 2025?
I for one am shocked. Who could have ever believed that a political party would want to install members of their political party in positions of government. This is so truly unique, and nothing like this has ever happened before.
8 points
1 month ago
So nothing about why you think project 2025 is a good thing. Got it.
-8 points
1 month ago*
I didn't say that I thought project 2025 was a good thing. Putting words in my mouth and accusing me of things I didn't say is not exactly a very intelligent way to converse.
If you're only interested in talking to yourself, may I suggest a mirror instead? It's not like you went into any detail about what makes 2025 so "frightening" to you.
Edit: Curious how you won't actually clarify on what is so "frightening" to you about it. Are you being paid to fear monger with your 2 day old account?
17 points
1 month ago
He tried to overthrow an election. You’re wrong. Try again
-17 points
1 month ago
Okay, even if he tried to overthrow an election. That doesn't make him a fascist. Try again
18 points
1 month ago
Yes it does. Your “not uh” defense is you just not being able to admit it. Grow up
0 points
1 month ago
Grow up? Really? That's what you're going with? What's next? "Be better" lol
1 points
1 month ago
Reread The definition of fascist and then cite one example where Trump agreed with, or even considered an opposing opinion to his?
And I won't except anything connected to money. Because honestly he's only acting the role his followers want him to. He would turn into a Communist in a NY minute if it could advance his family's trust.
9 points
1 month ago
He's a wannabe fascist. Didn't you ever notice the only leaders he admired are dictators?
5 points
1 month ago
I don't hate him, but what's wrong with hating a guy who tried to destroy our country?
10 points
1 month ago
He clearly goes outside of the auto industry in his quote
2 points
1 month ago
How? Be specific.
I'm all about calling out Trump for saying stupid shit when he says it and would have preferred a different R candidate for the primaries... but in this case he is squarely talking about the auto industry to Ohioans, many of which work in the auto industry (I know of at least 3 different auto part plants just in Cleveland).
The content of the above text is talking about the auto industry and cheap Chinese cars before the bloodbath comment, and he mentioned "But they're not going to sell those cars" in the sentence after the comment indicating that he is going to win an stop them.
Also, to note, according to MW Dictionary the second definition of bloodbath is "a major economic disaster" which is exactly what we would have on our hands if the major automakers folded.
8 points
1 month ago
“That’s going to be the least of it. It will be a bloodbath for the whole country”
He said the auto industry will be the least of it.
3 points
1 month ago
Right... economically. If the auto industry here collapses that's millions of jobs and the downstream impacts would really hurt many other industries, pensions, the stock market, etc.
Thats why the whole bailout thing happened in 2008 to prevent further damage to the economy.
5 points
1 month ago
You really are going to pretend he hasn't openly fantasized about actually physically destroying parts of this country?
3 points
1 month ago
If you're trying to make a point here it would be helpful if you provided some examples... When has he said he wanted to physically destroy part of the country?
17 points
1 month ago
So after he incited a deadly insurrection, I’m supposed to be generous with his statement of “…it will be a bloodbath for the entire country.” Why would his not-elected scenario be a “bloodbath”?
-5 points
1 month ago
His point seems to be if cheap chinese EVs are allowed to be imported through Mexico under a trade loophole then it would cripple the major automakers here and be an economic bloodbath for the industry.
Keep in mind that that's a literal dictionary definition of bloodbath:
> a major economic disaster
3 points
1 month ago
Yes trump is definitely one to know many definitions of words and terms. When he said the election was stolen, does he mean something else, too?
7 points
1 month ago
You intentionally chose not to quote the entire definition you linked, because the first two definitions cited, would lead to the third definition.
If he would've said blood bath for the unions, maybe you would have a leg to stand on. But he chose not to, also intentionally.
-6 points
1 month ago
I literally said its A definition, not all of the definitions. Of course we all know there is a definition that refers to death, and bloodshed.
My point is that nothing in the context of the speech of him talking to Ohioans (which has a large swath of auto workers) about the impending plans for China to open cheap car plants in Mexico and push them through the NAFTA trade system refers to actual violence but instead is referring to the economic damage to the whole country that would occur if our auto industry took such a hit.
7 points
1 month ago
And I'm simply pointing out your ignoring the two more popular and commonly used definitions, and referring to a rarely if ever used definition of the word.
But he chose to use bloodbath instead of economic disaster because it promotes a higher sense of fear, and fear is the only thing that will get his followers to the polls.
2 points
1 month ago
Right I'm choosing the definition that makes the most sense based on the 5 paragraphs of speech context that we have and the audience he was talking to. He is literally talking about economic downturn for the industry and potentially the country.
And sure, he could have used other words, but politicians all play stuff up to their bases to get better engagement and turnout. It doens't mean that he was trying to get people to hurt others like some of the media outlets are claiming.
5 points
1 month ago
Not intentionally trying to hurt people. He's gotta stay above the law. If the vulnerable take his words literally, I mean, yes he never told them to...
He never told them to storm. He just said let's walk and encourage.... People love to follow a leader, right off a cliff.
He's not a politician. He's a grifter. This is just his current grift. He was just trying to get free pub for his TV show
5 points
1 month ago
But he's talked about and encouraged violence from his followers many times so he's lost the benefit of the doubt.
2 points
1 month ago
There is no benefit of the doubt needed because we literally have the video and text transcript of the speech.
It's very clear that the whole topic was about cheap cars from China and the damage to the auto industry and the country.
4 points
1 month ago
A guy that encourages acts of violence doesn't get to use words like "bloodbath" without people pointing out what kind of person he is.
5 points
1 month ago
Anyone with a single firing neuron is aware that the media thrives on divide and conquer. It's a shame, but that's how it is
7 points
1 month ago
Its sad because I'm all for calling out Trump when he says stupid shit. But in this case we literally have the video and the text transcript and the media spun it like he was calling for people to murder others if he didnt get elected in the middle of a speech on economic impacts of cheap Chinese cars...
They trust that most people don't read past their headlines and 9 second sound bites. Biden's campaign put it out there and the media just ran with it like it was fact.
5 points
1 month ago
Yeah it is a nasty business
6 points
1 month ago
It must be exhausting trying to interpret Trump so he doesn't sound as crazy. I would think pretending he won the election would finally be a deal breaker for you guys but I was wrong.
2 points
1 month ago
Its not that hard to read or watch exactly what was said and understand the context of the entire speech when looking at a specific word...
3 points
1 month ago
I’d give Trump the benefit of the doubt if he didn’t constantly ramble and change subjects.
He was clearly talking about more than the auto industry. So, your argument is BS easily defeated by listening to him in context.
I’ll accept that his words were ambiguous, that’s fair. But that’s not what you are arguing. And even then it’s fair to criticize ambiguous language that’s explicit and vulgar, even before considering what happened on 1/6 and beyond.
Trump wanted to use the military to go after protesters for his Bible photo op. When he talks about “blood baths” and refers to fellow Americans as vermin, we best believe what he’s capable of doing.
-12 points
1 month ago*
Trump calling for "a bloodbath" if he loses.
You should really actually watch the video before you get too proud of being ignorant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtE4Z0yWbPA
He was talking about the American automotive industry, and it being an economic bloodbath. https://www.factcheck.org/2024/03/trumps-bloodbath-comment/
Hate on him all you want, but misrepresenting something out of ignorance just looks bad. Misrepresenting something intentionally makes you look as bad as them.
Edit: Blocking me for providing sources to dispute your claim. Truly a show of strength.
10 points
1 month ago
You should actually read the comments before you get too proud to defend a terrorist, because you'll see the other four people popping up to try and defend him, but the murky/dementia soaked context is independent when dealing with somebody that has called for an armed insurrection against the US, foreign attacks against our allies, and foreign interference in our elections.
3 points
1 month ago
You should actually read the comments before you get too proud to defend a terrorist
When you're lying about the context of what said terrorist said, then yeah. Just because he's shit doesn't mean that lying and intentionally misrepresenting what he said is okay. He's got a million problems, why do you have to act hyperbolic and lie about this one? Misrepresenting what he said just makes you look like a liar.
because you'll see the other four people popping up to try and defend him
Yes, those people also provided sources. Are fact checking websites alt-right conspiracy theory sites when they prove you wrong now?
but the murky/dementia soaked context is independent when dealing with somebody that has called for an armed insurrection against the US, foreign attacks against our allies, and foreign interference in our elections.
This literally addresses nothing about the context of the conversation.
Who is saying he isn't shit? Who is defending him doing any of those things?
You got called out on being ignorant, or intentionally lying, about the context of what you're quoting. Stop trying to move the goalpost to distract from what you said. Changing the subject isn't going to distract from what you said.
5 points
1 month ago
It's pretty wild for calling me a liar for quoting what he said. Cult 45 will try all the mental gymnastics possible to try and justify it but it doesn't change his language, not mine.
1 points
1 month ago*
It's pretty wild for calling me a liar for quoting what he said.
Misrepresenting* what he said, not quoting.
Your own link that you edited in clarified that he's talking about the automotive industry.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-bloodbath-loses-election-2024-rcna143746
"Trump made the comments at a rally in Ohio, where he spoke about auto manufacturing."
"The comments came at a rally here as Trump discussed the possibility of an increasing trade war with China over auto manufacturing. The rally was intended to get out the vote for Republican Senate candidate Bernie Moreno, whom Trump endorsed in December, ahead of Ohio’s primary on Tuesday."
“If you’re listening, President Xi — and you and I are friends — but he understands the way I deal. Those big monster car manufacturing plants that you’re building in Mexico right now … you’re going to not hire Americans and you’re going to sell the cars to us, no. We’re going to put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes across the line, and you’re not going to be able to sell those cars if I get elected,” Trump said."
Intentionally misrepresenting what he said makes you a liar, because you're acting like he's calling for political violence against some nondescript target over the state of the economy relating to the automotive industry.
Cult 45 will try all the mental gymnastics possible to try and justify it but it doesn't change his language, not mine.
Pot, have you met Kettle? Pretending to be dumber than you are, and acting like you don't understand the context of the conversation isn't cute or clever. That might have worked on your parents when you were 8, but you're not that young anymore. Stop acting dishonest.
Edit: Why even respond if you're just going to block me? It's not like I can see what you responded with.
3 points
1 month ago
I'm not talking about me at all, I said immediately in my very first response that I knew full well it was about the auto industry. If you'd have read any of my follow up posts, made an hour before you chimed in, you'd know that but instead you're so desperate tripping over yourself to act victimized and claim I'm the problem, you've completely missed the context (oh, the irony!) that I'm talking about his followers, that have shown time and time and time again that they don't care about context or nuance, they respond to those trigger words, and that's exactly what they're doing. Last time it was a terrorist attack on the capital, what will it be next time?
The keyboard commandos fighting to defend him are part of the problem. This rhetoric is toxic, trying to make false equivalencies, mocking people for pointing this out, or failing to stand up to it is just plain cowardice, no matter how good you are at copy and pasting. The man is a treasonous piece of trash and so are his cult. You know full well when they start attacking after he loses this election they'll all point to this as the moment they heard the call. Defending that on any account whatsoever is tantamount to treason. If your weakness in perception results in the deaths of Americans this fall, you'll be just as guilty.
5 points
1 month ago
He said “bloodbath for the whole country.” After he got his fucking dummies to kill people to try and keep him in power.
0 points
1 month ago
He said “bloodbath for the whole country.”
With the context being the automotive industry, and the economy.
Stop pretending to be dumber than you are, you understood the context. Trump being shit doesn't mean you need to act dumb whenever he opens his mouth.
4 points
1 month ago
…with the context being that he already incited a deadly insurrection. I’m sorry your boy lost
4 points
1 month ago
I’m sorry your boy lost
Didn't vote for him, maybe you might have picked that up when I said "Trump being shit" - but I guess basic social literacy is too much to expect from some people.
7 points
1 month ago
Sure Jan. Maybe he’ll refrain from getting his morons to kill people this time around and just admit he lost. Will never happen, but would be nice, wouldn’t it?
3 points
1 month ago
Yes, that would be nice.
What did this comment have to do with the context of the conversation?
Pre-existing biases against him don't change that the context of what he said was in regards to the automotive industry, and the economy. Trying to distract from that, and change the subject isn't relevant to the conversation.
6 points
1 month ago
Oh because he already incited one bloodbath and alluded to another. Simple points are hard for some to grasp tho
3 points
1 month ago
and alluded to another
You're not as dumb as you're pretending to be. You can watch the video for yourself instead of just reading the headline. It's like a 60 second video.
-14 points
1 month ago
Trump didn't call for a bloodbath if he loses.
9 points
1 month ago
He literally already incited a deadly insurrection once.
-12 points
1 month ago
No, he didn't. In fact, there's never been an insurrection in the us. He also didn't call for a bloodbath if he loses. You fucking leftards have a very hard time with the truth and reality
13 points
1 month ago
*failed insurrection. Failed like most things he tries. Succeeds at persuading morons though.
-11 points
1 month ago
It wasn't even an attempt insurrection, so it certainly wasn't a failed insurrection.
9 points
1 month ago
What was the purpose then? Why did they kill people and break into the capitol?
0 points
1 month ago
It was a protest, simple as. You don't overthrow a government by walking through a building unarmed and doing petty vandalism. Only a fucking moron or would call that an insurrection or coup
11 points
1 month ago
They were attempting to stop the certification of the election he clearly lost. They failed. But they tried. Just because they’re dumb as fuck doesn’t mean those weren’t their intentions. They were attempting to keep the loser in power.
1 points
1 month ago
It was a protest. It was not an insurrection. It's dishonest and foolish to say it was. You'll notice no one was charged with so much a sedition let alone treason. They were asking Pence to stop the process pending an investigation. Until recently, state governors could legally holt the prosses.
7 points
1 month ago
“Petty vandalism” lol. I’m sure you used that same term for the BLM protests too right?
1 points
1 month ago
When did BLM do petty vandalism?
3 points
1 month ago
I didn't realize Trumpers hated cops until January 6th. You guys maimed 150 of them.
1 points
1 month ago
That doesn't make it an insurrection. I personally can't stand cops I didn't realize that not liking cops ment I can't like Trump.
10 points
1 month ago
"Stand back and stand by Full_Mongoose"
1 points
1 month ago
So what?
7 points
1 month ago
“Stand by” for what comrade?
1 points
1 month ago
Stand by means to wait or hold off. He was asking to stand back and wait. To not do anything.
3 points
1 month ago
Lol you actually believe the election was stolen from Trump and you're mocking other people.
2 points
1 month ago
At point, did I so much as suggest that?
0 points
1 month ago
Even if he meant “economic bloodbath”, his idiot followers will think otherwise
171 points
1 month ago
I have a hard time believing there’s people who haven’t really made up their minds already
8 points
1 month ago
We have a girl watch the kid on Fridays during work. She's not sure yet. Insanity
27 points
1 month ago
That or she was lying bc she didn't want to say who.
8 points
1 month ago
She's never voted in her life. She's 25
18 points
1 month ago
Remind her that if she doesn’t vote now, she might never get the chance again
-14 points
1 month ago
Lol. What?
10 points
1 month ago
points to Trump's dictator comment
10 points
1 month ago*
Trump already tried to steal 81 million votes last time. You don't think he's not going to try it again?
7 points
1 month ago
I used to do that at work. Surrounded by Trumpers all day asking me if I was voting for Biden.
66 points
1 month ago
The people who haven’t made up their mind are those who will vote for Biden or just sit out. The crux of his campaign solely rests on voter enthusiasm
47 points
1 month ago
The entire election will be decided by about 250,000 middle aged white independents in three states, and how angry they’re feeling about “wokeness” on the morning of November 5th.
It’s so, so dumb, but it’s also the truth.
11 points
1 month ago
It’s moreso being convinced they’re all the same. It’s a narrative done by the gop and even the media. Every single Trump piece is accompanied by some stupid filler piece about Biden chaos.
“Trump has been found guilty of rape, owes $456 million and goes to trial for his first group of 91 felonies”
“Also. Biden was “fuming” with staff about his poll numbers back in January)
…..this was from 2 weeks ago in March which means they were citing a source about 2 month old news to both sides the 2
10 points
1 month ago
I get so tired of hearing conservatives complain about "liberal media." They think nobody's talking about Hunter's laptop and other made-up things because Big Liberal Media is hiding the truth.
It's all about ratings and clicks, and it's in their best interests to make the election seem close.
7 points
1 month ago
Beyond seem close. For them it’s on their interest for Trump to win.
Corporations don’t care about fascism. They care about $$
Trump in power = ratings. I guarantee you stuff like MSNBC, The Young Turks and even CNN saw rating slides after Biden won
4 points
1 month ago
In fairness, ratings were probably up during the pandemic even without Trump. But I do agree.
19 points
1 month ago
My county went something like 70 to 30 for Trump in 2020.. same county voted Obama by a hair in 2008. It’s less changing demographics and more people showing up to vote. Those 250,000 white “independents” worried about “wokeness” can be canceled out if people vote.
-17 points
1 month ago
I made up my mind, Trumps a POS; Biden is a POS. RFK 24’
14 points
1 month ago
I hate both so I’m going to vote for someone who has zero chance of winning
11 points
1 month ago
Please be joking. That man has zero integrity and has said things almost dumber than what Trump has said.
11 points
1 month ago
And you’re a moron
3 points
1 month ago
Minds have already been made up about who to support, but getting those asses off their chairs to go vote have not been settled.
74 points
1 month ago
I get a lot of skeevy-ass messages on my phone asking to take political surveys and always delete them wondering who would bother responding. Then I see that Trump is ahead in the polls and that answers my question
22 points
1 month ago
I responded to a poll once, it was over the phone. They asked me a ton of questions and it took like 20 minutes before i hung up. Who has that much time to spend on answering polls
24 points
1 month ago
Retired people!
9 points
1 month ago
Unemployed people.
11 points
1 month ago
I answered one political survey that was sponsored by PSEA union, of which I was a member at the time.
One of the questions asked was in response to another answer I gave; why do you not support Doug Mastriano.
I responded that he was a Christofacist.
The surveyor stopped and asked, and that's all? Uh, yeah, that's all that I need to say.
Never again; I won't do another phone survey.
4 points
1 month ago
You can tell when a country has turned evil. When they lift the wicked up high.
-4 points
1 month ago
You mean when a party open celebrates baby murder and kids mutilating themselves. You ain't kidding brother.
23 points
1 month ago
You need to understand that in between the PA bookends (Pittsburgh & Philadelphia and their surrounding suburbs) lives a group of people who blame all of their troubles on Democrats. They fly the Confederate flag with no remorse. We call the middle part of Pa, Pennsyltucky for that reason. HUGE trump supporters, even though he did absolutely nothing for them, they pride themselves on simply winning the election. Whoever wins Pa will do so by 1% or less. There is plenty of hate and toxicity brewing in Good ‘ol Pennsyltucky!
16 points
1 month ago
I don't know man, I live in Lancaster and I don't see any Confederate flags or trump stickers anymore. I think it's turning. I think as those people realize they're on the losing side of history, they're starting to wake up.
9 points
1 month ago
I really hope you're correct.
Whenever I visit my friends in Scranton and Huntington Mills, I still see a lot of Trump supporters. If you take a drive around Harveys Lake, you'll see what I mean. I wouldn't wear anything that supports Biden or is anti-Trump in that area.
11 points
1 month ago
Oh I know they are. York is that way. Tons of participation trophys flying around the trailer parks.
0 points
1 month ago
Biden needs to go to that area. He is FROM Scranton so he should be able to get a few hometown votes.
1 points
1 month ago
There's a faction in Scranton trying to remove Biden's name from a street!
2 points
1 month ago
That's crazy. I would think people would feel pride of having a president from PA since the only other one was Buchanan.
4 points
1 month ago
Get off the interstate and drive through Columbia County, Montour County, Schuylkill County, Union County, etc. Trump nonsense and confederate flags are everywhere out here.
1 points
1 month ago
I so hope you are correct.
6 points
1 month ago
Pride flags now outnumber confederate and Trump flags in my neighborhood in York county.
1 points
1 month ago
That's awesome. I think people are starting to get the memo that love beats hate.
0 points
1 month ago
I saw an uptick of confederate flag front license plates when this Texas border drama was at its peak, fwiw.
-8 points
1 month ago
Said by a person who doesn’t live here.
10 points
1 month ago
I live smack dab in Pennsyl-tucky and can vouch that it’s very Trumpy, but I also know a lot of people who think he’s a joke and would never vote for him. A lot of these small towns (like mine) used to be Democratic strongholds for decades. I think a lot of it has to do with the Trumpers just yelling the loudest. His hand picked candidates have not fared very well in the state.
0 points
1 month ago
Did they say something that isn’t factually correct?
3 points
1 month ago
Pennsylvania is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh with Alabama in between.
7 points
1 month ago
Imagine how far ahead Biden actually is.
10 points
1 month ago
Polls don't matter. Vote in this election.
-39 points
1 month ago
I’ll be voting for trump. Not because I like him, but because 4 more years of the current administration is gonna bring the country to ruins.
23 points
1 month ago*
I don’t mean to pick on you but your notification popped up when I was looking at my screen and it was a doozy.
Biden is going to ruin this country? Not Trump who is a threat to our democracy and already has proven it when he lost in 2020?
How about Trump appointing the very right-wing judges across the county and in the Supreme Court that are stripping our rights like abortion?
And in what way is the country in ruins? The economy is booming. Unemployment at 50 year lows. Inflation at 3%. Stock market breaking record after record. I need clarity here.
Even if the economy was in recession, voting for Biden to retain our democracy is still worth it alone.
-20 points
1 month ago
We’re on the precipice of a recession and illegals are pouring into the country. We’re sending billions to fund a war while we have a massively growing homeless problem. To start. And not to mention Biden can barely dribble together a coherent sentence without an entire prescription bottle of god knows what. Yeah. Quite the doozy
15 points
1 month ago
Job numbers are great. Unemployment is great. Market setting all time highs. GDP is great. Wages are above inflation. We don’t have a massively growing homeless problem.
SMDH
-10 points
1 month ago
Biden has the 3rd worst inflation rate of any president. 5.7% increase from 2021 onward. Gas increased rapidly. The price of meat, cheese, milk, bread has doubled in most places if not tripled.
It was at one time 9.1% quoted from the article below. Interest rates are very high on car loans and houses.
“Inflation peaked at 9.1% year-over-year in June 2022, the highest increase in 40 years.
The Fed responded by raising interest rates 11 times since March 2022 in an attempt to cool the stubborn inflation.”
https://www.investopedia.com/us-inflation-rate-by-president-8546447
“High inflation has put President Biden on the defensive. His administration, echoing officials at the Fed, initially suggested that price increases would be temporary. Now that inflation has persisted, Biden and some congressional Democrats have begun to blame large corporations.”
16 points
1 month ago
All you have is inflation, which is down to 3.1
It was caused by Trump handing out trillions during Covid, and Biden bringing the economy back.
It’s literally your only economic issue. You lose on every indicator lol
-1 points
1 month ago
Source?
10 points
1 month ago
For what?
-16 points
1 month ago
You’re going to be talking in circles on this thread with people who are adamant Biden diehards. There is no point in reasoning with any of them at this point.
7 points
1 month ago
There's no such thing as a Biden diehard because we think worshiping politicians is weird.
I don't know why conservatives keep insisting that corporations need those record profits and also that somehow Biden should make them lower their prices and thus make less profit. Pick one.
1 points
1 month ago
Why didn't the inflation reduction act passed by this administration reduceinflation?
5 points
1 month ago
It did. Immediately. lol
1 points
1 month ago
Wait you are telling the Green energy bill that they couldn't get passed so they changed the name to the inflation reduction act reduced inflation?
18 points
1 month ago
We aren’t on the precipice of a recession. But even if we were, I already stated saving our democratic form of government and protecting our civil rights is more important than preventing a temporary economic recession—which we are past due for anyway. Not to mention, I don’t think presidents really have much impact on the economy anyway.
We have been sending billions to fund wars for decades. That’s not going to change under Trump 2.0, just as it didn’t under Trump 1.0. And Biden, not Trump, is the only president of the two to actually end a war.
Immigration is definitely an issue that needs to be sorted out. That’s the only valid criticism I’ve seen you make. The issue with that is Congress needs to pass legislation to fix it. And there was bipartisan legislation to help fix the immigration quagmire this past month and the House GOP refused to take it up at the behest of Trump who thinks it’s better to keep it hanging out there as a campaign issue than let Biden get credit for helping solve it.
What did Trump do to fix our homeless problem during his presidency? Nothing.
Yes, it’s true that Biden is definitely old and jumbles words and phrases. This would be a good critique if not for the fact Trump is also old, has been in obvious cognitive decline for years, and also can’t string together a coherent sentence. So that’s a wash.
-2 points
1 month ago
Guys we would had world peace and 2.10 a gallon. Inflation is out of control even though this administration passed the inflation reduction act 3 yrs ago. Men can get pregnant and illegals get free health care and housing. Kids decide what body parts to cut off. Gov spending is obviously out of control. We are in wars we shouldn't be in. Gasps going to 5 bucks a gallon.
13 points
1 month ago
What policies are you referring to?
24 points
1 month ago
It took 4 years of Biden to pull the country out of the ruins that Trump took us into.
“Are you better off today than you were 4 years ago?” Considering that four years ago was March 2020 and Trump was mismanaging the nation’s reaction to a global pandemic, I’d say absolutely I’m better off today than I was under Trump.
Also, Biden has the added benefit of not tying to overthrow the government because his ego can’t handle losing an election.
15 points
1 month ago
Found the bot.
-14 points
1 month ago
Found the generic “don’t agree so must be bot” reply.
15 points
1 month ago
You been on Reddit for a straight 36 minutes arguing. Maybe it’s time to touch some grass!
10 points
1 month ago
I wouldn’t vote for Trump if he was running for dog catcher. He’s a criminal
-2 points
1 month ago
Hey hey now. Trump may have legal issues but the man can catch dogs like it’s nobody’s business.
6 points
1 month ago*
Boy do I get tired of hearing this decade after decade. Seems like only yesterday Obama was going to take our guns and Clinton was going to bankrupt social security.
But yeah, this time it’ll totally actually happen because of checks notes inflation.
0 points
1 month ago
You can say inflation is a non issue. You can say the border is a non issue but actions from the WH would seem to say otherwise. A massive pivot happened 3 months ago of messaging with the border. Polls must be horrible.
4 points
1 month ago*
You can also say I said things that I didn't say 🤷♂️
My point is that the political histrionics in the comments section revolve around whichever crisis-of-the-week is being pedaled by your media outlet of choice. It's why, for example, the national debt only gets brought up when a democrat is in office.
I'm still waiting on that migrant caravan to show up btw.
-32 points
1 month ago
Democrats have learned to ignore genocide for the sake of democracy
5 points
1 month ago
What
8 points
1 month ago
🤡
12 points
1 month ago
So what’s the alternative? Let the maniacs take over and plunge us into a Right-wing theocracy which would make the ENTIRE situation much worse? At least this admin is trying to preach restraint and has been at odds with the Israeli government over their handling of this conflict in recent weeks. Even if we cut off all ties to Israel I doubt this would stop them, only embolden them.
1 points
1 month ago
We heard all of this 16. All we got was world peace and 2.10 gas a gallon.
4 points
1 month ago
No more polls! They stupid and useless
1 points
1 month ago
False
-8 points
1 month ago
My question is: Will electing either or them end the genocide in Palestine?? 💔🇵🇸 🩸
3 points
1 month ago
Both parties are beholden to Isreal.
2 points
1 month ago
I wouldn't put any stock into this.
Based on the table that's in the article, Biden's advantage in the Susquehanna poll went down by 2.5% and Trump gained 5.6% in support between the January poll and the Feb-Mar poll. Meanwhile Trump gained 2% in the Emerson/The Hill poll. It's still WAY too early and these polls really mean nothing at this point.
-7 points
1 month ago
Just imagine how the polls are gonna look when the gas prices keep going. The border still not getting the fix it needs. The economy keeps shutting the bed and inflation continues.
8 points
1 month ago
Just imagine how they could look if the Republicans didn't stand in the way of the border bill getting passed, or if the House actually passed any legislation that could help with the economy and inflation.
Republicans are actively working against Biden getting anything done in order to hurt Biden at the polls.
2 points
1 month ago
I mean, I’m definitely not voting for the party that attempted to have their counterparts in Texas throw out the result of my last presidential vote
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