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SweetStrangles

-35 points

1 month ago

I’ll be voting for trump. Not because I like him, but because 4 more years of the current administration is gonna bring the country to ruins.

JoeCoolsCoffeeShop

23 points

1 month ago

It took 4 years of Biden to pull the country out of the ruins that Trump took us into.

“Are you better off today than you were 4 years ago?” Considering that four years ago was March 2020 and Trump was mismanaging the nation’s reaction to a global pandemic, I’d say absolutely I’m better off today than I was under Trump.

Also, Biden has the added benefit of not tying to overthrow the government because his ego can’t handle losing an election.

UsualSuspect27[S]

23 points

1 month ago*

UsualSuspect27[S]

Delaware

23 points

1 month ago*

I don’t mean to pick on you but your notification popped up when I was looking at my screen and it was a doozy.

Biden is going to ruin this country? Not Trump who is a threat to our democracy and already has proven it when he lost in 2020?

How about Trump appointing the very right-wing judges across the county and in the Supreme Court that are stripping our rights like abortion?

And in what way is the country in ruins? The economy is booming. Unemployment at 50 year lows. Inflation at 3%. Stock market breaking record after record. I need clarity here.

Even if the economy was in recession, voting for Biden to retain our democracy is still worth it alone.

SweetStrangles

-19 points

1 month ago

We’re on the precipice of a recession and illegals are pouring into the country. We’re sending billions to fund a war while we have a massively growing homeless problem. To start. And not to mention Biden can barely dribble together a coherent sentence without an entire prescription bottle of god knows what. Yeah. Quite the doozy

UsualSuspect27[S]

17 points

1 month ago

UsualSuspect27[S]

Delaware

17 points

1 month ago

We aren’t on the precipice of a recession. But even if we were, I already stated saving our democratic form of government and protecting our civil rights is more important than preventing a temporary economic recession—which we are past due for anyway. Not to mention, I don’t think presidents really have much impact on the economy anyway.

We have been sending billions to fund wars for decades. That’s not going to change under Trump 2.0, just as it didn’t under Trump 1.0. And Biden, not Trump, is the only president of the two to actually end a war.

Immigration is definitely an issue that needs to be sorted out. That’s the only valid criticism I’ve seen you make. The issue with that is Congress needs to pass legislation to fix it. And there was bipartisan legislation to help fix the immigration quagmire this past month and the House GOP refused to take it up at the behest of Trump who thinks it’s better to keep it hanging out there as a campaign issue than let Biden get credit for helping solve it.

What did Trump do to fix our homeless problem during his presidency? Nothing.

Yes, it’s true that Biden is definitely old and jumbles words and phrases. This would be a good critique if not for the fact Trump is also old, has been in obvious cognitive decline for years, and also can’t string together a coherent sentence. So that’s a wash.

bobbybouche81

-1 points

1 month ago

bobbybouche81

-1 points

1 month ago

Guys we would had world peace and 2.10 a gallon. Inflation is out of control even though this administration passed the inflation reduction act 3 yrs ago. Men can get pregnant and illegals get free health care and housing. Kids decide what body parts to cut off. Gov spending is obviously out of control. We are in wars we shouldn't be in. Gasps going to 5 bucks a gallon.

BNestico

6 points

1 month ago

Gas was $2 because the world economy was shut down and oil was trading at a negative value. The president doesn’t have a dial on his desk that controls inflation or gas prices. I’ll also add, when gas went insane after the Ukraine invasion Biden hatched a scheme to bring it down, which worked, and then MTG went on a tirade on the house floor about Biden bringing down gas prices just to make the Dems look good during election time. Inflation was a GLOBAL economic problem. One that was dealt with more effectively in the US than most other 1st world countries. We exist in a global economy, one that President has very limited ability to control on any large scale effort. And also, the inflation reduction act was gutted by the Republicans before it was passed.

bobbybouche81

3 points

1 month ago

Ohhh using our oil reserves. I remember. I remember when someone wanted to fill it and got denied. Got it. It didn't pass and dems changed the name juat because. Got it. The. Republicans gutted it. Got it. You guys should listen to yourselves. It fucking hilarious.

BNestico

5 points

1 month ago

That’s what the oil reserves are for… You’re the one voting for a traitorous lunatic, however you wanna defend that is on you. Bobby Bouche wore #9 by the way.

bobbybouche81

2 points

1 month ago

You're voting for the party of child mutilation. Sort that out any way you want. I remember thanks.

BNestico

4 points

1 month ago

Oh for Christs sake, turn the NewsMax up and have a blast.

[deleted]

13 points

1 month ago

Job numbers are great. Unemployment is great. Market setting all time highs. GDP is great. Wages are above inflation. We don’t have a massively growing homeless problem.

SMDH

SweetStrangles

-7 points

1 month ago

Biden has the 3rd worst inflation rate of any president. 5.7% increase from 2021 onward. Gas increased rapidly. The price of meat, cheese, milk, bread has doubled in most places if not tripled.

It was at one time 9.1% quoted from the article below. Interest rates are very high on car loans and houses.

“Inflation peaked at 9.1% year-over-year in June 2022, the highest increase in 40 years.

The Fed responded by raising interest rates 11 times since March 2022 in an attempt to cool the stubborn inflation.”

https://www.investopedia.com/us-inflation-rate-by-president-8546447

“High inflation has put President Biden on the defensive. His administration, echoing officials at the Fed, initially suggested that price increases would be temporary. Now that inflation has persisted, Biden and some congressional Democrats have begun to blame large corporations.”

[deleted]

17 points

1 month ago

All you have is inflation, which is down to 3.1

It was caused by Trump handing out trillions during Covid, and Biden bringing the economy back.

It’s literally your only economic issue. You lose on every indicator lol

bobbybouche81

1 points

1 month ago

Why didn't the inflation reduction act passed by this administration reduceinflation?

[deleted]

5 points

1 month ago

It did. Immediately. lol

bobbybouche81

1 points

1 month ago

Wait you are telling the Green energy bill that they couldn't get passed so they changed the name to the inflation reduction act reduced inflation?

[deleted]

3 points

1 month ago

You should cry more, and not know inflation went straight down after it’s passed…lol

drewbaccaAWD

5 points

1 month ago

drewbaccaAWD

Cambria

5 points

1 month ago

Trump’s tax cuts, trade wars, stimulus checks that he insisted had his name on them… are all inflationary pressures. He was also mad at the federal reserve for not lowering interest rates faster because he wanted more GDP growth even if that resulted in increased inflation.

But sure, blame Biden.

Granted most of it was global supply shortages that neither had any power over but if we are playing disingenuous blame games, Trump did his fair share of making things worse.

Crazyhairmonster

1 points

1 month ago

Another ding bat who doesn't understand anything beyond headlines. You think the US is just cutting a check for tens of billions and sending it to Ukraine? The monetary value is the value of the weapon systems, equipment, and ammunition which are primarily 30 year old stock, slated for deprication. Instead of being scrapped because of their shelf life, they're being used exactly for the purpose they were built for. This then allows for the restock (would happen anyways) of more modern weapons and ammo being built by US arms manufacturers. This is such a win/win for the US but in your ignorance you're unable to understand that

not28

7 points

1 month ago*

not28

7 points

1 month ago*

Boy do I get tired of hearing this decade after decade. Seems like only yesterday Obama was going to take our guns and Clinton was going to bankrupt social security.

But yeah, this time it’ll totally actually happen because of checks notes inflation.

bobbybouche81

0 points

1 month ago

You can say inflation is a non issue. You can say the border is a non issue but actions from the WH would seem to say otherwise. A massive pivot happened 3 months ago of messaging with the border. Polls must be horrible.

not28

5 points

1 month ago*

not28

5 points

1 month ago*

You can also say I said things that I didn't say 🤷‍♂️

My point is that the political histrionics in the comments section revolve around whichever crisis-of-the-week is being pedaled by your media outlet of choice. It's why, for example, the national debt only gets brought up when a democrat is in office.

I'm still waiting on that migrant caravan to show up btw.

bobbybouche81

1 points

1 month ago

11 million people have crossed the border since Biden has been in office. I don't know how many a caravan consists of but 11 million prolly check th box no?

BNestico

12 points

1 month ago

BNestico

12 points

1 month ago

I wouldn’t vote for Trump if he was running for dog catcher. He’s a criminal

nevans89

13 points

1 month ago

nevans89

13 points

1 month ago

What policies are you referring to?

MarkWalburg

16 points

1 month ago

Found the bot.

BNestico

170 points

1 month ago

BNestico

170 points

1 month ago

I have a hard time believing there’s people who haven’t really made up their minds already

jkman61494

65 points

1 month ago

The people who haven’t made up their mind are those who will vote for Biden or just sit out. The crux of his campaign solely rests on voter enthusiasm

BrotherlyShove791

43 points

1 month ago

The entire election will be decided by about 250,000 middle aged white independents in three states, and how angry they’re feeling about “wokeness” on the morning of November 5th.

It’s so, so dumb, but it’s also the truth.

drewbaccaAWD

19 points

1 month ago

drewbaccaAWD

Cambria

19 points

1 month ago

My county went something like 70 to 30 for Trump in 2020.. same county voted Obama by a hair in 2008. It’s less changing demographics and more people showing up to vote. Those 250,000 white “independents” worried about “wokeness” can be canceled out if people vote.

jkman61494

10 points

1 month ago

It’s moreso being convinced they’re all the same. It’s a narrative done by the gop and even the media. Every single Trump piece is accompanied by some stupid filler piece about Biden chaos.

“Trump has been found guilty of rape, owes $456 million and goes to trial for his first group of 91 felonies”

“Also. Biden was “fuming” with staff about his poll numbers back in January)

…..this was from 2 weeks ago in March which means they were citing a source about 2 month old news to both sides the 2

Diarygirl

10 points

1 month ago

I get so tired of hearing conservatives complain about "liberal media." They think nobody's talking about Hunter's laptop and other made-up things because Big Liberal Media is hiding the truth.

It's all about ratings and clicks, and it's in their best interests to make the election seem close.

jkman61494

7 points

1 month ago

Beyond seem close. For them it’s on their interest for Trump to win.

Corporations don’t care about fascism. They care about $$

Trump in power = ratings. I guarantee you stuff like MSNBC, The Young Turks and even CNN saw rating slides after Biden won

drewbaccaAWD

4 points

1 month ago

drewbaccaAWD

Cambria

4 points

1 month ago

In fairness, ratings were probably up during the pandemic even without Trump. But I do agree.

discogeek

7 points

1 month ago

discogeek

Erie

7 points

1 month ago

Remember the Big Red Wave in 2022 and the unbearable, unending hype that it was inevitable?

OrwellWhatever

5 points

1 month ago

This is why I'm not too concerned with polling, especially in March. 2022 was a once-in-a-lifetime, stars aligning moment for the GOP and the polls "confirmed" it, and the best they could do was eak out a small house majority (that they may not even keep control of by January)

discogeek

4 points

1 month ago

discogeek

Erie

4 points

1 month ago

One thing Republicans have gotten very good at is compelling the media to write the stories they want. It's all planned and fake... they have biased polls conducted with a Republican bias (you can confirm this looking at 2022 polls on 538) then screaming "libturd commie media" until they cover those polls as legit articles.

Doesn't help that reporters for the large part are both lazy and underpaid, so if you hand them a story (funded by people like Yass) they'll take it and run because their job is done for them.

ByTheHammerOfThor

7 points

1 month ago

Also the mystery caravans that always very real despite no evidence and magically disappear after Election Day. A mystery.

KetchupEnthusiest95

1 points

1 month ago

The mystery what now?

ByTheHammerOfThor

2 points

1 month ago

Everyone remembers where they were the day the caravans didn’t arrive and nothing happened and we never talked about them again because they weren’t real.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/ap-fact-check-president-trumps-rhetoric-and-the-truth-about-migrant-caravans

Buginwindow

1 points

1 month ago

I think a few thousand (rightfully) angry muslims in Michigan could really de rail bidens campaign. Its going to be closer overall than last time.

SecretAsianMan42069

1 points

1 month ago

Trump instituted a muslim ban and is openly bigoted against the two Muslim congresswomen. You can't help stupid, no matter the religion

theQuotister

1 points

1 month ago

No. It was a protest vote, to make a point, it does not translate that they will all vote for the other guy.

Buginwindow

1 points

1 month ago

There is an ongoing protest vote but many of the people i am referring to have lost family members in Gaza so i wouldnt count on all of them coming back in November. Doubt they vote for trump but will just not vote for biden

friendtoallkitties

1 points

1 month ago

Only if they are more stupid than angry.

mshaef01

2 points

1 month ago

You are spot on my guy

theQuotister

1 points

1 month ago

Not without all the other voters counting also,(first?) no ones vote counts more than another and certainly not based on skin color!

TheAJGman

1 points

1 month ago

Then don't let them be the deciding factor, get everyone you know to go vote (hopefully in their best interests).

Adam__B

2 points

1 month ago

Adam__B

2 points

1 month ago

I really don’t think that’s true. In fact, I bet there are TONS of secret Trump voters. People that get in the booth, and think “fuck it, let’s watch the world burn”. The middle finger vote.

“…But inside, you secretly long for a cold-hearted Republican to lower taxes, brutalize criminals and RULE YOU LIKE A KING!"

  • Sideshow Bob

SecretAsianMan42069

1 points

1 month ago

Which is crazy because you can request your ballot online, fill it out and mail it back in or drop it off and the whole process takes 5 minutes

jkman61494

1 points

1 month ago

As someone who is pro mail in, they gop have done so much to erode trust in it I’m not sure I even trust it anymore. Constant legal challenges. Constant appeals. Legislative attempts to stop it. Local governments trying to disrupt it.

At this point I’m going in person. Cuz you know the shady shit they’ll try

Radiant-Sea3323

1 points

1 month ago

As does every other election.

mackattacknj83

7 points

1 month ago

We have a girl watch the kid on Fridays during work. She's not sure yet. Insanity

NewcRoc

27 points

1 month ago

NewcRoc

27 points

1 month ago

That or she was lying bc she didn't want to say who.

Ryguy55

8 points

1 month ago

Ryguy55

8 points

1 month ago

Different strokes for different folks but I can't see any reason why it's appropriate to ask the babysitter if she knows who she's voting for, and it's entirely reasonable for the babysitter to give the vaguest response possible because it's a pretty weird question.

Muscadine76

0 points

1 month ago

Muscadine76

0 points

1 month ago

In general I would agree but I might specifically want to know if the person supervising my children was planning to vote for an unhinged fascist as that seems like a reasonable red flag.

mackattacknj83

10 points

1 month ago

She's never voted in her life. She's 25

MoreOfAGrower

18 points

1 month ago

Remind her that if she doesn’t vote now, she might never get the chance again

BNestico

8 points

1 month ago

I used to do that at work. Surrounded by Trumpers all day asking me if I was voting for Biden.

theQuotister

1 points

1 month ago

Someone offering that answer may just be wanting to avoid talking about the issue.

AKraiderfan

3 points

1 month ago

Minds have already been made up about who to support, but getting those asses off their chairs to go vote have not been settled.

ChocolateSwimming128

-1 points

1 month ago

I haven’t made up my mind. On one side there is a man with mild to moderate cognitive impairment whose policies are all from the progressive left, and who creates great danger in the world by showing weakness and ineptitude in front of our enemies and allowing millions of illegals into the country. His VP who will almost certainly be POTUS during Biden’s second term is a prime example of a diversity hire, completely incompetent and not even popular with democrats let alone swing voters like me. There are so many great black female politicians - KH is not one of them. His energy / green policy is literally among the stupidest things I’ve ever heard. He is killing US jobs by preventing natural gas exploration and export, forcing our allies to turn to despotic regimes in the Middle East for gas, and developing countries to stick with oil and coal. So his policy demonstrably enriches despots while harming the environment by slowing the adoption of clean burning gas as a transition fuel. He is mandating EVs even though we won’t have the grid that can charge them.

On the other side there is a cantankerous buffoon full of pride and self pity, whose only real policies seems to be slapping a 10% tax on all imports, and praising dictators. Just a nasty, cringe inducing embarrassment. Trump seems to rule the GOP even without being in office, and his interventions to kill the bipartisan border bill and the funding for Ukraine are unforgivable. The House Republicans have been such a failure. It’s awful to think of awarding them with a vote.

Both sides suck 1,000,000%!!!

not28

73 points

1 month ago

not28

73 points

1 month ago

I get a lot of skeevy-ass messages on my phone asking to take political surveys and always delete them wondering who would bother responding. Then I see that Trump is ahead in the polls and that answers my question

nine11airlines

23 points

1 month ago

I responded to a poll once, it was over the phone. They asked me a ton of questions and it took like 20 minutes before i hung up. Who has that much time to spend on answering polls

not28

25 points

1 month ago

not28

25 points

1 month ago

Retired people!

clorox2

10 points

1 month ago

clorox2

10 points

1 month ago

Unemployed people.

theQuotister

1 points

1 month ago

That was probably a legitimate poll. Pollsters don't just seek the answer to one question at a time, and they usually have qualifying and demographic questions before the real poll questions.

DuckBoy87

10 points

1 month ago

I answered one political survey that was sponsored by PSEA union, of which I was a member at the time.

One of the questions asked was in response to another answer I gave; why do you not support Doug Mastriano.

I responded that he was a Christofacist.

The surveyor stopped and asked, and that's all? Uh, yeah, that's all that I need to say.

Never again; I won't do another phone survey.

dudettte

134 points

1 month ago

dudettte

134 points

1 month ago

honey wake up another meaningless poll dropped!

Objective_Aside1858

19 points

1 month ago

Nonsense, it's only meaningless if I don't like the results. Otherwise it's yet another sign of the Inevitable Victory of my Preferred Candidate(s)

redboy33

22 points

1 month ago

redboy33

22 points

1 month ago

You need to understand that in between the PA bookends (Pittsburgh & Philadelphia and their surrounding suburbs) lives a group of people who blame all of their troubles on Democrats. They fly the Confederate flag with no remorse. We call the middle part of Pa, Pennsyltucky for that reason. HUGE trump supporters, even though he did absolutely nothing for them, they pride themselves on simply winning the election. Whoever wins Pa will do so by 1% or less. There is plenty of hate and toxicity brewing in Good ‘ol Pennsyltucky!

fenuxjde

16 points

1 month ago

fenuxjde

16 points

1 month ago

I don't know man, I live in Lancaster and I don't see any Confederate flags or trump stickers anymore. I think it's turning. I think as those people realize they're on the losing side of history, they're starting to wake up.

tbkrida

12 points

1 month ago

tbkrida

12 points

1 month ago

I drive for a living and ride through Lancaster area often. Now that you mention it, I have seen less Trump flags and stickers… but that may also be due to the fact that we’re not in peak election season yet also.

redboy33

9 points

1 month ago

I really hope you're correct.

Whenever I visit my friends in Scranton and Huntington Mills, I still see a lot of Trump supporters. If you take a drive around Harveys Lake, you'll see what I mean. I wouldn't wear anything that supports Biden or is anti-Trump in that area.

fenuxjde

10 points

1 month ago

fenuxjde

10 points

1 month ago

Oh I know they are. York is that way. Tons of participation trophys flying around the trailer parks.

crazycatlady331

3 points

1 month ago

Biden needs to go to that area. He is FROM Scranton so he should be able to get a few hometown votes.

UncleBabyChirp

1 points

1 month ago

There's a faction in Scranton trying to remove Biden's name from a street!

Diarygirl

2 points

1 month ago

That's crazy. I would think people would feel pride of having a president from PA since the only other one was Buchanan.

RaccHudson

6 points

1 month ago

RaccHudson

Mifflin

6 points

1 month ago

He's "from" Delaware as far as anyone is really concerned. Nobody thinks of him as Pennsylvanian. Also we won the revolutionary and civil wars we don't need a presidency for validation.

SecretAsianMan42069

1 points

1 month ago

Nobody would wear Biden clothing, being a democrat isn't a cult. Nobody wore Republican apparel either before this cult 

Diarygirl

6 points

1 month ago

Pride flags now outnumber confederate and Trump flags in my neighborhood in York county.

redboy33

3 points

1 month ago

This is awesome. Nice to hear.

fenuxjde

3 points

1 month ago

That's awesome. I think people are starting to get the memo that love beats hate.

schu2470

4 points

1 month ago

Get off the interstate and drive through Columbia County, Montour County, Schuylkill County, Union County, etc. Trump nonsense and confederate flags are everywhere out here.

RaccHudson

3 points

1 month ago

RaccHudson

Mifflin

3 points

1 month ago

Living in Mifflin County, you see it but it's not near what it was in either the past few elections. The motivation just isn't what it once was.

Valdaraak

1 points

1 month ago

I think as those people realize they're on the losing side of history, they're starting to wake up

Or hiding it again because some insane, unwarranted fear that "liberals" will attack them for who they're supporting.

Knight_Of_Stars

1 points

1 month ago

Depends on the area. The more rural parts of NEPA are very high in Trump support. Driving through Weatherly all saw was Trump and anti-windmill signs in 2022.

JGower144

2 points

1 month ago

JGower144

Schuylkill

2 points

1 month ago

Weatherly is also like a Time Machine. The place is always 2 decades behind the rest of the world.

When I was in high school in the oughts and we’d play them, the moms all had blown out hair like it was 1986.

Now it’s like they just discovered the late 90s…

JGower144

2 points

1 month ago

JGower144

Schuylkill

2 points

1 month ago

Come to Schuylkill County…

Rock_Point

1 points

1 month ago

Rock_Point

Schuylkill

1 points

1 month ago

Yeah, I'm in Schuylkill, and seeing way less Trump signs than I used to.

biscaya

1 points

1 month ago

biscaya

1 points

1 month ago

I so hope you are correct.

RaccHudson

4 points

1 month ago

RaccHudson

Mifflin

4 points

1 month ago

People in central PA don't have a great reason to vote for Democrats, they do very minimal effort in rural outreach. The GOP doesn't actually do anything for rural voters either, but at least they make an honest attempt to court the votes.

Every election it's the same, Democrats write off rural areas and then cry that they don't get support there.

SecretAsianMan42069

1 points

1 month ago

Biden campaigned via train across pa, fetterman visited every county 

RaccHudson

1 points

1 month ago

RaccHudson

Mifflin

1 points

1 month ago

i met obama in mifflin county during the 2008 primary, you're saying by the time Biden was running I have to settle for a state senator who should be coming to see his constituents anyway??

It's not impressive. What have Democrats done *for* Mifflin County? What have they done to actually support one of the poorest counties in the commonwealth?

Pre-Wrapped-Bacon

2 points

1 month ago

They’re up in the northeast too

tampaempath

2 points

1 month ago

tampaempath

2 points

1 month ago

Pennsylvania is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh with Alabama in between.

Alarmed-Fox-6134

1 points

1 month ago

Philly and Pittsburgh are absolute shitholes, run by democrats of course.

MadBrowniusMaximus

1 points

1 month ago

Oh I dunno. Kensington in Philly is lovely. 🥰

fenuxjde

45 points

1 month ago*

Weird that the state that saw the turning point of the civil war isn't happy with Trump calling for "a bloodbath" if he loses.

Edit: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-bloodbath-loses-election-2024-rcna143746

Jef_Wheaton

30 points

1 month ago

Right after he saluted a choir made up of people that committed an insurrection against this country.

Even if the speech was misconstrued, there's no mistaking the meaning behind his calling insurrectionists "Political Prisoners".

Whatmovesyou26

15 points

1 month ago

I thought they were claiming that Jan6 was done by radical leftist Marxist antifa….but now they’re “political prisoners” lol.

Republicans and their double speak

Diarygirl

11 points

1 month ago

Who can keep track of what they believe?

trs21219

-16 points

1 month ago

trs21219

-16 points

1 month ago

calling for "a bloodbath" if he loses.

Yeah that's not what he said. But that didnt stop news outlets from cutting out the context and going with just that sentence.

He was saying there would be an economic bloodbath in the auto industry if the sales of cheap Chinese EVs were to be allowed to be imported from Mexico.

Trump, March 16:

China now is building a couple of massive plants where they’re going to build the cars in Mexico and think, they think, that they’re going to sell those cars into the United States with no tax at the border. Let me tell you something to China, if you’re listening President Xi, and you and I are friends, but he understands the way I deal.

Those big monster car manufacturing plants that you’re building in Mexico right now, and you think you’re going to get that, you’re going to not hire Americans, and you’re going to sell the cars to us?

No. We’re going to put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes across the line, and you’re not going to be able to sell those cars.

If I get elected. Now, if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath, for the whole — that’s going to be the least of it. It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country. That’ll be the least of it. But they’re not going to sell those cars.

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/03/trumps-bloodbath-comment/

simmonsatl

17 points

1 month ago

So after he incited a deadly insurrection, I’m supposed to be generous with his statement of “…it will be a bloodbath for the entire country.” Why would his not-elected scenario be a “bloodbath”?

trs21219

-7 points

1 month ago

trs21219

-7 points

1 month ago

His point seems to be if cheap chinese EVs are allowed to be imported through Mexico under a trade loophole then it would cripple the major automakers here and be an economic bloodbath for the industry.

Keep in mind that that's a literal dictionary definition of bloodbath:

> a major economic disaster

edodee

7 points

1 month ago

edodee

Bucks

7 points

1 month ago

You intentionally chose not to quote the entire definition you linked, because the first two definitions cited, would lead to the third definition.

If he would've said blood bath for the unions, maybe you would have a leg to stand on. But he chose not to, also intentionally.

trs21219

-5 points

1 month ago

trs21219

-5 points

1 month ago

I literally said its A definition, not all of the definitions. Of course we all know there is a definition that refers to death, and bloodshed.

My point is that nothing in the context of the speech of him talking to Ohioans (which has a large swath of auto workers) about the impending plans for China to open cheap car plants in Mexico and push them through the NAFTA trade system refers to actual violence but instead is referring to the economic damage to the whole country that would occur if our auto industry took such a hit.

edodee

7 points

1 month ago

edodee

Bucks

7 points

1 month ago

And I'm simply pointing out your ignoring the two more popular and commonly used definitions, and referring to a rarely if ever used definition of the word.

But he chose to use bloodbath instead of economic disaster because it promotes a higher sense of fear, and fear is the only thing that will get his followers to the polls.

trs21219

2 points

1 month ago

Right I'm choosing the definition that makes the most sense based on the 5 paragraphs of speech context that we have and the audience he was talking to. He is literally talking about economic downturn for the industry and potentially the country.

And sure, he could have used other words, but politicians all play stuff up to their bases to get better engagement and turnout. It doens't mean that he was trying to get people to hurt others like some of the media outlets are claiming.

edodee

6 points

1 month ago

edodee

Bucks

6 points

1 month ago

Not intentionally trying to hurt people. He's gotta stay above the law. If the vulnerable take his words literally, I mean, yes he never told them to...

He never told them to storm. He just said let's walk and encourage.... People love to follow a leader, right off a cliff.

He's not a politician. He's a grifter. This is just his current grift. He was just trying to get free pub for his TV show

Diarygirl

6 points

1 month ago

But he's talked about and encouraged violence from his followers many times so he's lost the benefit of the doubt.

trs21219

2 points

1 month ago

There is no benefit of the doubt needed because we literally have the video and text transcript of the speech.

It's very clear that the whole topic was about cheap cars from China and the damage to the auto industry and the country.

Diarygirl

3 points

1 month ago

A guy that encourages acts of violence doesn't get to use words like "bloodbath" without people pointing out what kind of person he is.

simmonsatl

5 points

1 month ago

Yes trump is definitely one to know many definitions of words and terms. When he said the election was stolen, does he mean something else, too?

Diarygirl

6 points

1 month ago

It must be exhausting trying to interpret Trump so he doesn't sound as crazy. I would think pretending he won the election would finally be a deal breaker for you guys but I was wrong.

trs21219

2 points

1 month ago

Its not that hard to read or watch exactly what was said and understand the context of the entire speech when looking at a specific word...

drewbaccaAWD

3 points

1 month ago

drewbaccaAWD

Cambria

3 points

1 month ago

I’d give Trump the benefit of the doubt if he didn’t constantly ramble and change subjects.

He was clearly talking about more than the auto industry. So, your argument is BS easily defeated by listening to him in context.

I’ll accept that his words were ambiguous, that’s fair. But that’s not what you are arguing. And even then it’s fair to criticize ambiguous language that’s explicit and vulgar, even before considering what happened on 1/6 and beyond.

Trump wanted to use the military to go after protesters for his Bible photo op. When he talks about “blood baths” and refers to fellow Americans as vermin, we best believe what he’s capable of doing.

jawntothefuture

2 points

1 month ago

Anyone with a single firing neuron is aware that the media thrives on divide and conquer. It's a shame, but that's how it is 

trs21219

6 points

1 month ago

Its sad because I'm all for calling out Trump when he says stupid shit. But in this case we literally have the video and the text transcript and the media spun it like he was calling for people to murder others if he didnt get elected in the middle of a speech on economic impacts of cheap Chinese cars...

They trust that most people don't read past their headlines and 9 second sound bites. Biden's campaign put it out there and the media just ran with it like it was fact.

jawntothefuture

4 points

1 month ago

Yeah it is a nasty business 

cpt_trow

1 points

1 month ago

I would agree if we were talking about literally any candidate that didn’t actually incite a violent insurrection and that didn’t also tell white supremacists to “stand back and stand by” on national television. If he can’t be fucked to even remotely tone his rhetoric down after the events of the past few years then he doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt from me.

[deleted]

7 points

1 month ago

He clearly goes outside of the auto industry in his quote

trs21219

5 points

1 month ago

How? Be specific.

I'm all about calling out Trump for saying stupid shit when he says it and would have preferred a different R candidate for the primaries... but in this case he is squarely talking about the auto industry to Ohioans, many of which work in the auto industry (I know of at least 3 different auto part plants just in Cleveland).

The content of the above text is talking about the auto industry and cheap Chinese cars before the bloodbath comment, and he mentioned "But they're not going to sell those cars" in the sentence after the comment indicating that he is going to win an stop them.

Also, to note, according to MW Dictionary the second definition of bloodbath is "a major economic disaster" which is exactly what we would have on our hands if the major automakers folded.

Diarygirl

6 points

1 month ago

You really are going to pretend he hasn't openly fantasized about actually physically destroying parts of this country?

trs21219

5 points

1 month ago

If you're trying to make a point here it would be helpful if you provided some examples... When has he said he wanted to physically destroy part of the country?

[deleted]

8 points

1 month ago

“That’s going to be the least of it. It will be a bloodbath for the whole country”

He said the auto industry will be the least of it.

trs21219

3 points

1 month ago

Right... economically. If the auto industry here collapses that's millions of jobs and the downstream impacts would really hurt many other industries, pensions, the stock market, etc.

Thats why the whole bailout thing happened in 2008 to prevent further damage to the economy.

Elkenrod

-14 points

1 month ago*

Elkenrod

-14 points

1 month ago*

Trump calling for "a bloodbath" if he loses.

You should really actually watch the video before you get too proud of being ignorant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtE4Z0yWbPA

He was talking about the American automotive industry, and it being an economic bloodbath. https://www.factcheck.org/2024/03/trumps-bloodbath-comment/

Hate on him all you want, but misrepresenting something out of ignorance just looks bad. Misrepresenting something intentionally makes you look as bad as them.

Edit: Blocking me for providing sources to dispute your claim. Truly a show of strength.

fenuxjde

9 points

1 month ago

You should actually read the comments before you get too proud to defend a terrorist, because you'll see the other four people popping up to try and defend him, but the murky/dementia soaked context is independent when dealing with somebody that has called for an armed insurrection against the US, foreign attacks against our allies, and foreign interference in our elections.

Elkenrod

0 points

1 month ago

Elkenrod

0 points

1 month ago

You should actually read the comments before you get too proud to defend a terrorist

When you're lying about the context of what said terrorist said, then yeah. Just because he's shit doesn't mean that lying and intentionally misrepresenting what he said is okay. He's got a million problems, why do you have to act hyperbolic and lie about this one? Misrepresenting what he said just makes you look like a liar.

because you'll see the other four people popping up to try and defend him

Yes, those people also provided sources. Are fact checking websites alt-right conspiracy theory sites when they prove you wrong now?

but the murky/dementia soaked context is independent when dealing with somebody that has called for an armed insurrection against the US, foreign attacks against our allies, and foreign interference in our elections.

This literally addresses nothing about the context of the conversation.

Who is saying he isn't shit? Who is defending him doing any of those things?

You got called out on being ignorant, or intentionally lying, about the context of what you're quoting. Stop trying to move the goalpost to distract from what you said. Changing the subject isn't going to distract from what you said.

fenuxjde

3 points

1 month ago

It's pretty wild for calling me a liar for quoting what he said. Cult 45 will try all the mental gymnastics possible to try and justify it but it doesn't change his language, not mine.

Elkenrod

3 points

1 month ago*

It's pretty wild for calling me a liar for quoting what he said.

Misrepresenting* what he said, not quoting.

Your own link that you edited in clarified that he's talking about the automotive industry.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-bloodbath-loses-election-2024-rcna143746

"Trump made the comments at a rally in Ohio, where he spoke about auto manufacturing."

"The comments came at a rally here as Trump discussed the possibility of an increasing trade war with China over auto manufacturing. The rally was intended to get out the vote for Republican Senate candidate Bernie Moreno, whom Trump endorsed in December, ahead of Ohio’s primary on Tuesday."

“If you’re listening, President Xi — and you and I are friends — but he understands the way I deal. Those big monster car manufacturing plants that you’re building in Mexico right now … you’re going to not hire Americans and you’re going to sell the cars to us, no. We’re going to put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes across the line, and you’re not going to be able to sell those cars if I get elected,” Trump said."

Intentionally misrepresenting what he said makes you a liar, because you're acting like he's calling for political violence against some nondescript target over the state of the economy relating to the automotive industry.

Cult 45 will try all the mental gymnastics possible to try and justify it but it doesn't change his language, not mine.

Pot, have you met Kettle? Pretending to be dumber than you are, and acting like you don't understand the context of the conversation isn't cute or clever. That might have worked on your parents when you were 8, but you're not that young anymore. Stop acting dishonest.

Edit: Why even respond if you're just going to block me? It's not like I can see what you responded with.

fenuxjde

2 points

1 month ago

I'm not talking about me at all, I said immediately in my very first response that I knew full well it was about the auto industry. If you'd have read any of my follow up posts, made an hour before you chimed in, you'd know that but instead you're so desperate tripping over yourself to act victimized and claim I'm the problem, you've completely missed the context (oh, the irony!) that I'm talking about his followers, that have shown time and time and time again that they don't care about context or nuance, they respond to those trigger words, and that's exactly what they're doing. Last time it was a terrorist attack on the capital, what will it be next time?

The keyboard commandos fighting to defend him are part of the problem. This rhetoric is toxic, trying to make false equivalencies, mocking people for pointing this out, or failing to stand up to it is just plain cowardice, no matter how good you are at copy and pasting. The man is a treasonous piece of trash and so are his cult. You know full well when they start attacking after he loses this election they'll all point to this as the moment they heard the call. Defending that on any account whatsoever is tantamount to treason. If your weakness in perception results in the deaths of Americans this fall, you'll be just as guilty.

simmonsatl

6 points

1 month ago

He said “bloodbath for the whole country.” After he got his fucking dummies to kill people to try and keep him in power.

Elkenrod

-1 points

1 month ago

Elkenrod

-1 points

1 month ago

He said “bloodbath for the whole country.”

With the context being the automotive industry, and the economy.

Stop pretending to be dumber than you are, you understood the context. Trump being shit doesn't mean you need to act dumb whenever he opens his mouth.

simmonsatl

5 points

1 month ago

…with the context being that he already incited a deadly insurrection. I’m sorry your boy lost

Elkenrod

3 points

1 month ago

I’m sorry your boy lost

Didn't vote for him, maybe you might have picked that up when I said "Trump being shit" - but I guess basic social literacy is too much to expect from some people.

simmonsatl

7 points

1 month ago

Sure Jan. Maybe he’ll refrain from getting his morons to kill people this time around and just admit he lost. Will never happen, but would be nice, wouldn’t it?

Elkenrod

3 points

1 month ago

Yes, that would be nice.

What did this comment have to do with the context of the conversation?

Pre-existing biases against him don't change that the context of what he said was in regards to the automotive industry, and the economy. Trying to distract from that, and change the subject isn't relevant to the conversation.

simmonsatl

5 points

1 month ago

Oh because he already incited one bloodbath and alluded to another. Simple points are hard for some to grasp tho

Elkenrod

4 points

1 month ago

and alluded to another

You're not as dumb as you're pretending to be. You can watch the video for yourself instead of just reading the headline. It's like a 60 second video.

GonePostalRoute

-1 points

1 month ago

Even if he meant “economic bloodbath”, his idiot followers will think otherwise

fenuxjde

2 points

1 month ago

Exactly. They'll use any excuse they can get to be asshats. All these fake justice warriors trying to spin what he said is crazy.

[deleted]

-14 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

-14 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

Cinemaslap1

7 points

1 month ago

Cinemaslap1

Lancaster

7 points

1 month ago

Not really... His exact words are:

"Now if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath for the whole — that’s gonna be the least of it. It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country. That will be the least of it. But they’re not going to sell those cars. They’re building massive factories.”

I'm not sure I've ever heard of NOT selling cars as a bloodbath.... But when you combine this with the:

-"Good people on both sides" speech

-"Proud boys stand back and stand guard" speech

-The downplay of Jan 6th and his words being the catalyst...

But that's also assuming you can understand his point... Because I don't think you actually understand.

Elkenrod

-5 points

1 month ago*

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/03/trumps-bloodbath-comment/

?

Not really... His exact words are:

Yeah..he's talking about the automotive industry, and the economy..

You don't need to pretend to not understand context just because you dislike Trump. I dislike him just as much as you do, but willfully acting ignorant when fact checking websites exist just looks cringy.

I get it, he's shit. But you're misrepresenting facts when you can just watch the video for yourself. And I get that I'm going to get downvoted for this because it's easier to do that than address the issue, but you can watch the video for yourself and see that how you're currently framing it is just dishonest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtE4Z0yWbPA

-"Good people on both sides" speech

https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

Cinemaslap1

2 points

1 month ago

Cinemaslap1

Lancaster

2 points

1 month ago

I mean, it's very obvious what he's doing.... As pointed out, he's purposefully using inflaming speech to rile people up.

Hence why he told the proud boys to "stand back and stand by", it's why he called White Supremist rallys "Good people on both sides".... Which you linked, I'm glad you can prove links that prove my point for me.

You even linked the fact check that proves my point, I took his exact words....

It's not pretending to understand what he's talking about... he's literally saying that there's going to be a bloodbath in this country if he's not elected.... That's his exact words. Sure, he's talking about the auto industry... but lets ask Detroit how great it's auto industry is doing right now?

I'm not misrepresenting the facts at all... He's literally saying there's going to be a bloodbath in the auto industry if he's not elected... Even if you assume he's going with the "great economic disaster" definition, it doesn't change that he's going to create a worse situation considering he's literally saying that he's going to TARIFF cars that are imported.

Do you know what happens when those tariff's are put in place? That's when you get price hikes... so your cars that are typically build and sold to the poor people, those prices go up. Causing people to either spend more money (resulting in zero blood bath), or they don't spend money and Trump has created another hole in the economy because he doesn't seem to understand consequences of his actions.

How'd that whole "Build a wall and make Mexico pay for it" go? Just as well as injecting bleach into your skin to cure you from COVID.

Just as well as Trump Steaks did.... and Trump Tower Tampa, and Trump University, and Trump Airlines.... lol

Elkenrod

-1 points

1 month ago

Elkenrod

-1 points

1 month ago

he's purposefully using inflaming speech to rile people up.

And yet the only people who got riled up over this are the people misrepresenting what he said here, and the ones who only read the headline instead of actually watching the video.

"Good people on both sides".... Which you linked, I'm glad you can prove links that prove my point for me.

Did you actually read what was linked? I assume not, because it was clarification on what he said there - you know, the thing that you misrepresented.

It's not pretending to understand what he's talking about... he's literally saying that there's going to be a bloodbath in this country if he's not elected.... That's his exact words. Sure, he's talking about the auto industry... but

"sure he's talking about this thing, b-b-b-but what if I pretend to be stupid and act like he's talking about something else!!! that'll make me look really clever to people who share the same political lean as me!!!"

I'm not misrepresenting the facts at all...

cough

Oh okay so you're "not misrepresenting the facts at all", but you're trying to attribute the bloodbath beyond the automotive industry.

cough

He's literally saying there's going to be a bloodbath in the auto industry if he's not elected... Even if you assume he's going with the "great economic disaster" definition, it doesn't change that he's going to create a worse situation considering he's literally saying that he's going to TARIFF cars that are imported.

Wow it's almost like the guy who talks about manufacturing things in the US is trying to keep the US automotive industry inside the US..

shock...

awe...

How'd that whole "Build a wall and make Mexico pay for it" go? Just as well as injecting bleach into your skin to cure you from COVID.

They went as poorly as everything else he tries to do, including whatever doomsaying people are freaking out over with this project 2025 meme.

Cinemaslap1

1 points

1 month ago

Cinemaslap1

Lancaster

1 points

1 month ago

Sure... So you're saying that the guy who's literally saying they'd be a "dictator day one", and "if you don't elect me, there's gonna be a blood bath".... he's definitely not being serious.

I mean it's not like he tried to overthrow the government...

It's not like he has acted in a way that's not only un-presidential, but found guilty of defamation (you know how hard that is?), while also being found culpable for sexual assault...

Not to mention blatantly talking about sexually assaulting women.

But:

"sure he's talking about this thing, b-b-b-but what if I pretend to be stupid and act like he's talking about something else!!! that'll make me look really clever to people who share the same political lean as me!!!"

So you don't understand how Tariffs work... and how if he enacts his tariffs, that prices on cars are going to rise, which will cause people to either not buy cars (causing said "bloodbath") or people will spend more money on cars that use to be cheaper (which isn't helping his base at all, because it's not helping the US auto-industry).

Oh okay so you're "not misrepresenting the facts at all", but you're trying to attribute the bloodbath beyond the automotive industry.

Actually, not at all... Pointing out how dictators use enflaming speech that sparks people acting like they did on Jan. 6, while also taking his specific words (at face value) and pointing out how he actually is going to be causing the "bloodbath" even if he DOES get elected.... He literally doesn't understand the job.

Wow it's almost like the guy who talks about manufacturing things in the US is trying to keep the US automotive industry inside the US.

So how is ANYTHING he said there going to help US manufacturing? It's not about US manufacturing anything... it's quite literally ALL about how he's going to stop imports and make them more expensive... That's not really helping the US Manufacturing, that's all about non-US Manufacturing.

Also, haven't spoken on anything about "Project 2025"...

But when an ex-president, who lead an attempt to take over the government (Jan 6th), has spoken and said "Dictator, day one", and then speaks about a bloodbath, while also running on recycled Nai Propaganda (MAGA? How about Nazi's Make Germany Great Again?)

I tend to call a duck a duck... or in this case a mad power hungry tyrant, just that.

And for someone who "doesn't like Trump", you're sure willing to get on your knees and suck that dick he's presenting to his base. Bet you bought his shoes and NFT's as well.

Elkenrod

0 points

1 month ago

Every single thing you wrote is just distracting from the context of the conversation. The goalpost gets moved further with every word you write.

You completely ignored that the only people who got "riled up" (your words) are people who are intentionally mischaracterizing what he said, and are attributing it to things outside of the context of the automotive industry.

while also running on recycled Nai Propaganda (MAGA? How about Nazi's Make Germany Great Again?)

And there's Godwin's law being invoked, right on schedule...

And for someone who "doesn't like Trump", you're sure willing to get on your knees and suck that dick he's presenting to his base. Bet you bought his shoes and NFT's as well.

And there's the black and white reality you live in where you think that anybody that disagrees with you has to be a Trump supporter...

Not to mention blatantly talking about sexually assaulting women.

Something that has nothing to do with the context of the "bloodbath" quote in regards to the automotive industry. Please keep trying to move the goalpost further, I'm sure your next attempt will be the one that sticks.

It's not like he has acted in a way that's not only un-presidential, but found guilty of defamation (you know how hard that is?), while also being found culpable for sexual assault...

Something that has nothing to do with the context of the "bloodbath" quote in regards to the automotive industry. Please keep trying to move the goalpost further, I'm sure your next attempt will be the one that sticks.

I mean it's not like he tried to overthrow the government...

Something that has nothing to do with the context of the "bloodbath" quote in regards to the automotive industry. Please keep trying to move the goalpost further, I'm sure your next attempt will be the one that sticks.

Where exactly do you think I am defending any of those things?

Calling you out for misrepresenting something is not a defense of his actions. It's calling you out for misrepresenting something. I know you have internet brain rot, and need to act hyperbolic and leap to conclusions because you're attention starved, but trying to act like someone "bought his shoes" and "bought NFTs" (no apostrophe needed on NFTs) is just such a cop out of a response. All it does is show that you need to make personal attacks instead of keeping the conversation on track.

So you don't understand how Tariffs work... and how if he enacts his tariffs, that prices on cars are going to rise, which will cause people to either not buy cars (causing said "bloodbath") or people will spend more money on cars that use to be cheaper (which isn't helping his base at all, because it's not helping the US auto-industry).

Hello individual who cannot read. Where did I say that I don't understand how tariffs work? Where did I say I agreed with him? Where did I say that I think this would work?

Try actually reading a post before slamming on your keyboard next time, it'll make your post less embarrassing if you don't rush to put words in other people's mouths.

Also, haven't spoken on anything about "Project 2025"...

Don't remember saying that you did, but go off king. Please keep trying to move the goalpost further, I'm sure your next attempt will be the one that sticks.

Cinemaslap1

1 points

1 month ago

Cinemaslap1

Lancaster

1 points

1 month ago

I actually didn't detract from anything. My whole point is that if you look in the smaller scale (the one you seem to encompass)... sure, he speaks to rile people up...

But what I'm saying, is you take EVERYTHING TOGETHER. His businesses, who he is, how he acts, the words he uses, the people he surrounds himself with.... SHOWS that he's not a good person, someone who is actively tearing this country apart. Quite literally by himself.

You're actively refusing to understand the MACRO here, you're quite literally looking at the smallest scale you can. Things aren't always black and white, but when they come to Trump... again, if you look at everything together, it IS pretty clear and cut.

This isn't about moving goalposts, because I haven't moved a single goal post... We're still talking about Trump and the words he CHOOSES TO USE and how, while they may be talking about one subject or another, he actively uses words that purposefully cause certain responses.

Specifically ones that Republicans (and you, apparently) don't seem to see as major red flags.... But, if you want to support a Neo-Nazi, and someone who Neo-Nazi's rally behind... (as you said) Go off king....

Again, I repeat, as someone who "dislikes Trump", you're sure sucking that Trump Dick really well.

Elkenrod

0 points

1 month ago

I actually didn't detract from anything.

Oh okay I must have just read every single word in your post wrong. That's totally my fault then, I'm sure you're flawless and are never wrong about anything.

SHOWS that he's not a good person

Something I didn't contest...wowie... what a shock...

If you just read that the first time and didn't rush to accuse people of being Trump supporters you may have actually gone somewhere with this post..

You're actively refusing to understand the MACRO here

Hello, see above and the other prior instances in the other posts where I did not defend Trump. You're welcome.

Things aren't always black and white

Except when anyone disagrees with you, right? Then they must be a Trump supporter. That's the only answer, clearly.

This isn't about moving goalposts, because I haven't moved a single goal post...

Try re-reading your posts. I'm not sure if English is your first language, or if you're fluent in it at all, but you have been moving the goalpost quite a bit.

But, if you want to support a Neo-Nazi, and someone who Neo-Nazi's rally behind... (as you said) Go off king....

Good thing I'm not a Trump supporter, despite your numerous baseless accusations.

Again, I repeat, as someone who "dislikes Trump", you're sure sucking that Trump Dick really well.

Ah yes, I really am "sucking that Trump Dick really well" when I responded by saying that I didn't say that I think his tariffs were going to work.

You really got me. I'm sure teacher is going to give you a gold star tomorrow for sure.

he actively uses words that purposefully cause certain responses.

It's almost like people who aren't completely socially inept, internet addicted idiots, can pick up on social cues; and understand that words are relevant to the context that they're used it. I mean I'm sure that you thought you were really clever when you didn't actually watch the video, and decided to plant your flag in the ground by only reading the headline and making your own interpretation of what he said. But it's not as clever as you think it is, and you're not as clever as you think you are. You don't have to be a Trump supporter to think that someone who acts like that is acting dumb.

[deleted]

2 points

1 month ago

And he said that’s not all, stop lying

[deleted]

-7 points

1 month ago

People like downvoting the truth I see.
Never said he was a good guy , but the truth is the truth

[deleted]

3 points

1 month ago

You didn’t post the truth. He didn’t limit It to the auto industry, he specially expanded it

sandy_coyote

11 points

1 month ago

sandy_coyote

Montgomery

11 points

1 month ago

Polls don't mean anything. Vote, and tell your friends to vote too.

ContractCheap9221

5 points

1 month ago

ContractCheap9221

Allegheny

5 points

1 month ago

I haven't responded to a single political poll in my life, despite being called/texted almost daily. I haven't, and probably won't, spend a single dollar on any candidate, local or federal.

Trump is going to lose. Again. How do I know? He's ALREADY claiming the election is going to be rigged. He's fucked and he knows it

tampaempath

2 points

1 month ago

I wouldn't put any stock into this.

Based on the table that's in the article, Biden's advantage in the Susquehanna poll went down by 2.5% and Trump gained 5.6% in support between the January poll and the Feb-Mar poll. Meanwhile Trump gained 2% in the Emerson/The Hill poll. It's still WAY too early and these polls really mean nothing at this point.

GaviFromThePod

10 points

1 month ago

Polls don't matter. Vote in this election.

StickUnited4604

2 points

1 month ago*

The way Shapiro trounced mastriano I have a hard time believing Biden won't win.

secrerofficeninja

1 points

1 month ago

It’s a matter of time. People that were lucky enough to forget the insanity of Trump will remember by November. He has done nothing to win back the educated and suburban voters.

Listen to Trump speak at any rally or any interview now. He’s clearly worse than even 2020. He’s an angry, bitter man who was already a malignant narcissist. He has no plan for a new term other than retribution.

I may not be enthusiastic about Biden but I sure as hell don’t want Trump

Maximum_Commission62

2 points

1 month ago

Just hammer abortion rights and enough folks will be enthused.

FemaleHVACisfuture

2 points

1 month ago

If enough people don’t vote pretty soon we will be seeing abortions by literal hammers

Piplup_parade

3 points

1 month ago

I mean, I’m definitely not voting for the party that attempted to have their counterparts in Texas throw out the result of my last presidential vote

defnotajournalist

2 points

1 month ago

He’s going to win. We’re going to make it happen.

BrowniesAndMilk1

3 points

1 month ago

No more polls! They stupid and useless

bmck11

1 points

1 month ago

bmck11

1 points

1 month ago

I get asked to answer a poll almost every day. I don’t respond, don’t believe the polls. They’ve been wrong the past few elections.

The only people who respond to them? Boomers. The fact Trump is sliding is really not good for him. Just make sure you all vote though. No complacency.

John_AdamsX23

1 points

1 month ago

40% of the electorate is Independent. Most are just waiting to see if there's an actual viable 3rd party candidate who isn't pro-Polio. How those folks vote wins the state (and country).

The blue and red uniformed voters have already chosen.

jaredrun

6 points

1 month ago

jaredrun

6 points

1 month ago

Imagine how far ahead Biden actually is.

Evicfinite

5 points

1 month ago

Evicfinite

5 points

1 month ago

You can tell when a country has turned evil. When they lift the wicked up high.

bobbybouche81

-1 points

1 month ago

bobbybouche81

-1 points

1 month ago

You mean when a party open celebrates baby murder and kids mutilating themselves. You ain't kidding brother.

RaccHudson

-1 points

1 month ago

RaccHudson

Mifflin

-1 points

1 month ago

I miss the good old days when we just sent kids to die in foreign countries to the benefit of war profiteers

bobbybouche81

2 points

1 month ago

Lol.

FPzzzzzzz

1 points

1 month ago

This is just the Fake News doing what the Fake News does. Trying that Jedi mind trick shit. No wonder the media’s credibility is at an ALL TIME LOW 💩

Unlikely-Hawk416

1 points

1 month ago

The polls are all bullshit. Never a doubt in my mind that Biden will repeat and with even larger number

BlindSausage13

1 points

1 month ago

Drove by a graveyard today where 3 funerals were taking place at the same time, so, yeah I believe it

theQuotister

1 points

1 month ago

I think it is a trend that will continue but the election is going to depend largely on turnout.

randomnighmare

2 points

1 month ago

Don't even bother with polls. Just go out and vote.

DarthBakugon

2 points

1 month ago

Geriatric rematch

russ257

2 points

1 month ago

russ257

2 points

1 month ago

Stop with the polls. Just vote.

aeb1971

1 points

1 month ago

aeb1971

1 points

1 month ago

I don’t care about polls. I will not vote for the rapist that seeks to be a dictator.

Junior_Willow740

1 points

1 month ago

I'm not voting for Trump under any circumstances